#1271 - Billy Corben

Mar 25, 2019

Billy Corben is a documentary producer and director, best known for his films “Cocaine Cowboys ” & “Cocaine Cowboys 2″ and also “Broke” & “The U” for ESPN’s 30 for 30 series. His latest film "Screwball" releases in theaters on March 29, and VOD will be available on April 5.

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my guess today is the director the creator has a producer it does a lot of things of one of my I mean he cares a lot of hats he's a documentarian how about that he made Cocaine Cowboys and Cocaine Cowboys 2 they are probably my all-time favorite documentaries he also has a new documentary that comes out very soon it's the actual release is March 29th and I think it's available on demand and a bunch of different places on April 5th is called screwball and it is about steroids in baseball and it is excellent and I'm not even a baseball fan you don't have to be a baseball fan to watch it it's fucking great I love this guy he's a ball of energy and intellect please give it up for mr. Billy Corben

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hello Billy for life I watch a new documentary this morning in the gym loved it was fucking great crazy I love your use of little kids want to give away too much of it but it's about the steroid Scandal involving baseball Alex Rodriguez but what was the choice to use little kids to play a rod and all the other two key principles involved in the Scandal like to platelet usual actors what kids will come out of the store to see the doc and if people remember the biogenesis steroid Scandal if not the movie all these guys acted like children and and

and we do a sports talk I mean I don't want to say it's it's easy cuz making documentaries it is a challenge but sport socks are pretty like paint-by-numbers it's like you interview some players interview some coaches journalist they mentioned a bunch of games and you show a bunch of game footage you know like it's a pretty straightforward process with this one it's not about baseball it's it's baseball adjacent I guess like it's about ship that went down in nightclubs in Shady clinics with a doctor's hotel rooms bars locker room so you got a bunch of guy Talking Heads in your documentary but then you got nothing just I'm like we're going to need to shoot in filmmaking it's fake shit when you get when you film Recreation so it's like I'm like how do we do this in a creative way that that's consistent with the tone of the Moon

which was always called screwball meaning it was Elmore Leonard Cohen Brothers a farce and so we just wanted to keep in that in that mode so I'm watching the character some got 20 Bosch who is the fake doctor and Porter Fischer who is The Whistleblower who stole the medical records and I started this whole thing they were then stolen from him and then sold to not the highest bidder but Eddie Vedder and every bitter they were sold to and they're talkin and I'm noticing that they had like a very similar storytelling style like for example, I'll be like so I walked into his office and I say I want my money and he says I don't have your money and I show you better get my money and you so what are you going to do about it and I said I'm going to break your neck and I'm like oh shit they are so vivid and in the moment and end and talking dialogue so we could Drunk History this right we can

I need to go to the doc and then have the actors lip-syncing the actual interview dialogue and all the actors will be eight years old and way back Spike Jones 1997 biggie video sky's the limit biggie just been murdered he was faced with this challenge of producing a posthumous video and situations was like okay we'll just do a straight up

classic Bad Boy Records Circa 97 music video Cars Versace wardrobe girl's mansion hot tub but all the eight years old baby biggie go back 10 years ago called a very merry unauthorized children's Scientology pageant

I don't ask me to say it again I can't say it again while musical like dirt Bowie ask score written by a couple Jelly's is a Christmas Pageant performed by elementary school kids but instead of the story of Jesus it's the story of El Ron Hubbard

all would like a like a school play would like you know paper mache like set sand and construction paper costumes and props and I wanted to I got together one of the composer's I'd like to get the rights to your Musical and make a Scientology documentary using the kids in the musical as a framing device because in those days no one was making everybody make Scientology documentary those days nobody was doing it because like the church is so litigious and so they kind of let this musical alone so I thought like I might be a cool buffer like maybe four make a documentary it's a little light you know what it's like this children's musical but we enter cut it with real real documentary investigation interviews and that maybe we'll kind of get away with it nobody for nothin to nobody I need doors are closing before I even knocked out like got to them and I kind of file again filed that idea way in the back of my head and then

viral video of like it was like a Scarface School play out of using a bunch of little kids doing Scarface is like an elementary school play and how is like this is such a such a great device in the promise you need to find something that works for like Like Cocaine Cowboy babies would not have been appropriate for kids running around like it just that kind of the stars align we just like this is going to work here I think it's such a crazy story I mean I've talked about Cocaine Cowboys probably a hundred times this podcast is one of my all-time favorite part. But this is a store that almost writes itself it's so Bonkers that and the fact that it all could have been avoided if one guy just paid another guy or just didn't try to rip them off like for Grant yeah like not that doesn't make any sense

fucking crazy and the guy with a Bizarro personality he was who just tan everyday and hang out at this doctor's office in the waiting room telling everybody how great it was like the whole thing is so strange like that's ever remembers it is like the A-Rod collateral damage in this whole thing was not about him don't tell Alex that but it's not about him you know it's it it was really the highest the career of the highest paid baseball player of all time

effectively ended over a $4,000 debt between this cocaine-addicted fake doctor and his fake tan addicted steroid patient and it's like that's why it's like a Florida fuckary story straight up it just like this classic only in Miami absurd farce and if that's what you specialize in your Twitter feed all the time for current Florida fucker it's just it's yet to still that's just like it's pure Miami is just voice of the great thing about my music so close to the United States but like it's it's also like America's Casablanca like just people kind of fully to Miami from like all over the country and all over the world usually leaving some kind of criminality in their wage and you know come here and kind of there and reinvent themselves

you know like it's just and then you have all of these criminals there who then kind of baking in the sun you know when this kind of Multicultural fucking paella you know that we have and then I'm happy just like and then they start putting the minds together and brainstorming and they hatched the most inane schemes and scams like that's our primary export from Miami is schemes and scams was just so amazing it's still a cocaine culture 2 after all these years it's still has a giant cocaine engine pumping out all this chaos we don't have any indigenous industry I mean to factory everybody goes to work and then no business there it's call hison says all we produce in Florida is oranges and machine guns you don't make anything that we sell the dream we saw the sunshine yours lies that came true you know and so and even more frightening is the Miami of today is the America of tomorrow so it's like there's a lot of lessons to be gleaned from down there it's basically at this point

funny a real estate hustle at a money-laundering capital so it's really no different than it ever was everybody likes to tell me what she doesn't mean we grown Miami is just like Miami is one of the youngest cities in the country and in your car lots would be about one person old or wanted to have people about the youngest cities barely a hundred just over a hundred you know in Miami than anywhere else was the show me was before the end of the the Great Recession but a lot of them started shutting down but most of them have rebounded one of the clever things some of the real estate developers did was they open their own bag literally their own bag databank work the entire Board of the bank for all real estate developers and over 90% of the loans the bank made was Insider loans

Justin Bieber and then of course they went belly-up in the Great Recession and what happened we bailed him out

money that is round up being backed ultimately By Us by the tax papers from the outside-in now it's from the inside out but no one could be truer than than than a story and that's a Miami story and when the Great Recession happened the FDIC had to open an office in Florida Bank closures than any other state in the Union you could go down there and you could buy a fucking mortgage for your dog in a Drive-Thru in Miami in the unlikely the late 90s early aughts and I'm afraid of you and your guy we're doing it work on a project or Ponzi State about the State of Florida as like a a case study in the Great Recession years ago we never finished it unfortunately but we're doing this guy and he says

mrs. pre like big short like this before anybody should have knew a lot about this and he said we were down here in Miami setting fires and Wall Street was trying to read our smoke signals that's why she like the Miami of today is the America of tomorrow it is every time I go there always go I forgot how fucking crazy if you really should have to have a passport it's it's but I love it I really do love it so crazy but to do stand-up you know I did that because I was doing a Netflix special and I was doing it a couple months after I did this gig in Miami and so I was using those Yonder bags know what those are white people have to put their cell phone into this magnetic you keep the phone but you hold the phone in the bush you want to use it just have to step outside they open up the bag and they give you a phone and every other City it made for a better show because people just sat down and watch the show in Miami it made for literally 40% of crowd at any given time was getting up and going to

back and using their phone and coming back in there were just constantly moving around every single for the where they didn't have the Yonder bags in this wasn't the problem but a Miami just everybody needed to use their phones they just kept getting up and coming back and it was just chaos a town of assholes shouldn't really ends and so like I always say the reflection everything that we do in the way that would behave shortly in the way that we drive like we were not like people are so much more chilling here in traffic in La I swear to God I know he was famous for like road rage Ellie like created invented road rage but like such a crazy place cuz it's like when push comes to shove a Miami chill the fuck out like it's all good it's a beautiful place like experience traffic sucks for all of us just chill out user

Michigan for crying out loud and just but that's why I said that's why they call it Miami Miami and stay out of my fucking a me it's just that you seem to thrive yeah I can only function anywhere else is long Miami and and I for a while I was I was pretty determined to like leave behind a better Florida than the one I was I was born in

fail culture is so inextricably connected to one of my best friend Steve Graham was an opthamologist he did his residency in Miami so he did his residency in emergency rooms in Miami and he was there in the 80s during like the height but basically during when Cocaine Cowboys takes place and he saw everything to heat mean he had all these pictures of bullet holes in skull fragments and people with light bulb stepped up their asses and just he said it every day was just fucking khaosod Miami idea light bulb goes off over head of Miami we in one of those Christmas tree grows curly ones just got stuck a lightbulb of his ass on the broken his ass kisser about the environment that's like one of those environmentally like sound like

oh yeah they were just thicker glass like thick felt like he could get it in his aspect

that was the era to cut your teeth if you were a cop or a journalist shortly after the Mariel boatlift started which I think everybody's kind of Pop Culture frame of reference for the Mariel boatlift is Scarface Tony Montana was a Merrilee tail that's the beginning of the movie when Castro was ranting and raving at ease flushing the toilet of Cuba to the United States specifically to Miami and show he was working at the the trauma center Jackson Memorial Emergency Room at in Miami and he said he got a Mario Refugee these guys would stand on the beach they would it look like Havana in South Beach know if there's a bike or else they would go it would chill mostly these flop houses south of 5th Street in Miami Beach we are like the cops would literally just they would be leaving after a stabbing at one of these places and they be three blocks away to get a call to

back is now there was a shooting or something else it would be going there like a all around the clock and so and they would just get in gunfights like literally just be like they did someone cheated Domino's and they would just pull out a gun in one guy would shoot the other guy and so he has a Mario Refugee who comes in to the emergency room with a gunshot wound and you Spanish you bilingual you said the guy said you're really lucky cuz if this bullet had hit you know a few centimeters or whatever this way you would have died immediately would have bled out right there on the scene died instantly and guy splits a few days later another Mario Refugee comes in with a gunshot wound in exactly the same spot where he had told the other guy that if he got hit there he would have died could never prove it never was able to trace it back but he was pretty well convinced that it was a Revenge shooting the other shooting and they knew exactly where to shoot him and kill him because the doctor had told him where to do that but that was like

everyday my the lady who cuts my hair for Christ's sake she said Billy I was so naive in those days you know you should I cut people's hair really come over kiss your goodbye and put a tip in her in her pocket you know and she go home Turner Pockets inside out how our little crumbled bills and everything and one day she finds a little baggie of white powder that something that one of her clients had slipped into her pocket is a tip houses are considered oh shit that's worth more than gold that's the best tip you got you got all day that little baggie that was just like the culture and it's and it's I mean it's not that I can imagine that in like Nebraska Summit Avenue and cocaine people do like what

what's up what are you doing it's just like like I said is Casablanca everything is for sale still nothing and like I said we are about a person old that's how far back my Amigos the culture of renting supercars the people so they can pretend it's their car

hugin Miami yeah we got all these Brickell Brickell least a thousand heirs you know driving a rented fucking Lambos you know and blowing the engines out on South Beach cuz I don't know how to drive you can't really other than a real estate hustle money laundering drugs politics being corrupt politician there's really no other way to make a real industry professional fighters come out of Miami. That whole area Coconut Grove and bottom Gresham out of poverty it's a it's a world economy down there the disparity between the Haves and the Have Nots the income gap is widest and getting wider in Miami-Dade County just about any city in the country on a metropolitan area in the country so and that's why I said tomorrow if you want to know what challenges will face as in

Mission or calamities will befall Us in the years to come you need only look it at Miami tioman called it the canary in the coal mine the Bellwether and so you know it went when the election was playing out the cycle in 2016 I was like you know all my friends are like hang on elected and re-elected Rick Scott the governor he is the biggest Medicare fraud store in the history of the United States everybody knows it everybody's aware of it very well publicized we elected him as a top fucking executive in our state like what makes you think that the United States of America wouldn't do that and I know it's fair to say like you know

if you're going to be the governor of a state you should know a little something about the largest industry in the state like you bring me the governor of Michigan you should have some familiarity with the automobile industry and Manufacturing in Florida if you're going to be the governor arguably you should know something about our biggest industry which is Medicare for for the job has is one of the largest Industries has been for decades and we have billions and billions of dollars in fraud so they run a Little Havana or Hialeah for example in Westminister pality in in Miami-Dade and they'll be a little bow Lita sitting behind a desk half asleep and she'll be surrounded in this tiny little one-room office by little mailboxes North PO Boxes and a mailman comes in every day

and just puts checks in the boxes and they're like some cases they stolen Social Security numbers and and so when I get it he's faced with and some cases they're just old people who aren't aware that their mail is being forwarded to this location and they just got the Miami for a while we had more Medicare payments for HIV and AIDS medication than every other part of the country combined and social people so it's like you have to assume that hundred percent of our elderly population suffer from HIV dating site for HIV positive he's fucking impossible nude female patients getting penis pumps that were paid for by covered that I got to look into that but but you watch the Oxycontin Express but that's all about how they would have the pain management

and they were connected to the pharmacy so you go to the doctor hey my back hurts when you need this that window right next door show the doctor your X-ray done somewhere else you need go to that window over there and fill this prescription and we had more pill Mills they called them in Broward County which is a county just north of Miami-Dade then we had McDonald's locations and there was literally like the Appalachian Trail they were coming down they were stocking up on oxy over fueling death epidemic like in Kentucky with still pulling over

more cars with Florida plates than in-state plates up there because Lori is glycol should we can't let them have all the action will drive up and will export the shit and at the peak of the pill Mill epidemic yakshi epidemic in Florida 7 people a day we're dying men women and children had fun we subsist from Hustle the hustle would you wonder why did the government Crackdown on that shitt wanted to regulate it will first our governor and we deal with this in screwball is the biggest Medicare fraud store in the history of the country so he wasn't exactly shall we say Vigilant or interested in cracking down on medical-related cry with it

magic Maja magic I guess I mean he listen to eat he he plead the Fifth Amendment like 75 times in a videotaped deposition that was used in a campaign that again soon in Florida was like we're good with that white Richmond kind of walked between the raindrops in this country you know it's just the sort of man job that was Florida to sound stupid like to make some money you don't you don't have to go to a massage parlor the biggest member of it is is now my massage parlors close down that's the problem I have where do I go now fix the problem we're broke guys go it's the fact that they were filming you too it's so the whole thing so strange human trafficking going on there are cops chill in there for like 6 months and some are going to see if they can you save these poor

human trafficking has become like this keyword it's like this new sort of like fear-mongering kind of a term to get everybody all up in arms and now they're kind of backtracking on that be like well maybe it wasn't exactly maybe it was just a horrible person because he was essentially being sold for sex slavery turns out that might have been no pun intended overblown how they have to sell it right otherwise people like why you wasting all this money on hand jobs no one cares and dangerous dangerous okay so you can go and pick somebody up for marijuana or getting a handjob whatever that you can look like you're you're being proactive stats hard man is hard work hard dangerous and you know if you go to a weird little Asian massage places guys are coming out tomorrow in leg

so you can start there are letting cops actually have sex with prostitutes like to prove their prostitutes nearly half the states in the union have a law that allow police officers to have sex with people in custody really how do you make this shit up human trafficking if you ask me I mean obviously they're going to try to make deals get me out of here and I know the ultimate me to talk about people holding power over people that's the only thing that is more than an employer doing that to an employee

dangling their freedom talk about an abusive power seriously I'm not I don't want anybody's daughter to be a prostitute I'm also 100% in favor of people they want and if someone's in a weird stage in their life or they'd rather jerk eyes off than work at Denny's like who is anybody to stop them from the only problem is the social stigma attached to it the actual act itself is it's beneficial the other person get something out of it and I'm going to do some people have a really hard time getting someone to have sex with them you know it's I don't see it that it's just a crazy thing that we regulate something that means the only thing where it's illegal to make someone pay for it but it's fine if it's free like it literally doesn't make sense there's nothing wrong with sex but there's something wrong with people paying for it and it's fine if you pay for it and then video tape it

distribution I don't really get the first of all it's a contract between two consenting adults if we if we're talking about small government deregulation let's allow two consenting adults to engage in a contractual relationships offer acceptance consideration as with anything else as you mention a lot of that is part and parcel of the prohibition gallaty of it is what brings the seediness it's what brings the danger because it's forced underground you introduce all of these elements that don't have to be there to take place in clean environment in the black market participants and if it's if it's been true of liquor it's been true of marijuana it's been true of prostitution with a call for a reason the oldest profession

the second we introduce the prohibition it creates a level of danger and a threat to society that wouldn't exist if you're like a weight what if you just let me smoke this what if you just let me drink this because I'm an adult making a responsible decision for myself what if you just let me engage in sexual activity with this person who is perfectly willing to do it in exchange for some numeration why should anybody give a shit it's so puritanical and so archaic it's such a dumb proven bad idea it's I mean it's been proven for decades upon decades are you go all the way back to the alcohol prohibition to what's going on right now with the cartels I mean what how much would it fix if they made all drugs legal how much would it fix I mean we have a real problem in the beginning with access where people with it would be so much more access you probably you know you would lose people people would die

high-profile overdose cases and then people try to make a deal and cocaine was legal everywhere that people can get the drugs but it's not easy for a person but if you don't know anybody who's criminal like say if you want to buy meth now I don't know where to buy math I just I know if you Walmarts in Florida and making the bathroom but that again that is Florida it's a different animal but like right now in America I mean I maybe could drum up some meth in a few days I started asking but you know I would not have any idea who's an informant and who's going to rat me out to stack show in states where marijuana has become legal you don't see significant spikes in usage is minerals there is there some significance bikes and uses but the problem is it correlates to a significant spike in population the state lot of people moved Colorado just because of marijuana that you need to become part of the business

because they just wanted to be free you know and then California we've had medical weed forever and now we have legal legal weed and I don't think it's changed much here but you do have there's there's some there's some issues there's there's definitely don't think it's beneficial in any way to sugarcoat the fact that having legal drugs makes people have more access to those drugs meet me and maybe there's going to be a few people whatever the number is who do those drugs who would have had access to them without it I thought I agree but I think it's de minimis I guess it's like I think so you'll know my dentist doesn't recommended how many people are on adderal and the only different that is yet the doctors prescribing a text really good shit that's when the President Trump said that's what he's saying

don't know what this is like people on cocaine start one sentence and then finish another you'll hear me. I think he's like bumping ADI I don't know what else to do. Accusations from his past about use of amphetamines there was there was a journalist that actually detailed the Duane Reade Pharmacy Voorhees to get this prescription diet medication there are quotes diet medication I just fucking speed and the guy has an exorbitant amount of energy I mean it's quite impressive man in his 70s who eat shit his diet and exercise and he's always ready to go I mean when he was campaigning he didn't seem to ever get tired he would go and do these campaign events and he would always be talkin and

full of enthusiasm going to make America great again going to Build That Wall higher we going to tell those Chinese lesson motherfuker like she was I mean it's incredible amount of energy God bless you somebody it's amazing that you don't have to drug test him it's amazing you can trust that you're not a performance-enhancing drug 100% talk to journalists how many journalists will be totally honest about it they are fucking hooked on adderal and they're very productive with it and I tried it once it's wild somebody gave me some I didn't try it I just sat there and looked at on going to need that my life I've been scared of coke I've never done Coke and I've never done a do I don't fuk with speed because I can't shut the fuck up already yeah my dad is not for me I need something to calms me down and makes me feel weird I feel like I do that guy who liked does the first time in my heart explodes out of my chest and you like scraping you off the roof of the show you know if I did

I'm worried that I would love it that's what I'm wearing I'm worried I would love it and I'll be like from here on out it's all about me which marijuana does the opposite to me I was actually out years ago I was in Colorado 420 backstage at a snoop concert I didn't have to because I was second hand still. It's like it's like when I go to church with cocoa I mean I used to podcast with Joey Diaz abbreviated

I'm in the middle of the story and his podcast and I fucking forgot that I never told me into that story I open the door to this backstage area

do I can't see my hand in front of me. Maybe halfway down the hall and I was like I can't I can't I can't go back the next year like cheers that I'm back in and didn't smoke but like I said you're not eating pasta you know is it okay if I go out and I try it and I was like

all I kept saying was

wish I was drunk I wish I was drunk I wish I was choked I don't know it was a bad I just it was so antisocial I felt so weird I feel so sort of introverted how is unfortunately in like it is pot smoking Church in Denver it's like you go and you can just smoke pot and it's literally in this old church I got beautiful paintings on the walls crazy it's trippy and so I was there and I tried it and I was like how much did you smoke a lot to 3 next you at the time I take baby at Billy just Lil Baby again it's too much too damn strong today it's not what it used to be I was in very recently in Austin Texas and Texas still as regular weed it's very good weed but its regular week

I'll get you like I'm here everything is fine California and that will put you on the Bryan Callen had one hit of it last week you can drive himself home hours later hours later he was still here hanging out

he had to get my friend Brenda to come and get them. So it's fucking strong maybe you should try something else sativa vs. Indica I tried it laugh my ass always be friends so I don't know what to do or shouldn't do but it was a lot of fun sativa is more you're thinking more it's a little bit more energy Indica I got to go somewhere and lie down I can't handle this it's but a different for different people as well but I'll tell you

the Chick-fil-A taste damn good that's way better taste great I got to tell you Sunday then we're driving by how come no one's there I go cuz it's the baby Jesus to stay if you really want to celebrate the baby Jesus that was a lot of TBN because I'm a lunatic and I like I always wondered like if the Jews one television all the time we were on television going like send this money what would they say for some reason I don't know why Jesus needs a lot of money cuz they're always on TV telling you to send your money to Jesus right so I'm thinking if you really want to do something for Jesus Chick-fil-A

open on Sunday and donate all of your Revenue to Jesus to churches alone would flock no pun intended right to the Chick-fil-A and stock up and they'd have all them but they can even have people volunteer to work those days and donate all your money to Jesus cuz he apparently needs I don't know what he needs with it but he needs a lot of money well I don't know if the Chick-fil-A guys the people on it are of the same ilk is the Trinity broadcast network folks cuz those TBN folks I don't think you're being mean by saying their shysters you know that was stealing money from people I think that Chick-fil-A guys like a legitimately religious person who really truly believes that he's saving the world from gay folk marrying each other

yeah it's not a bro but God damn good chicken sandwich. You quite like they say that I tell you I hate but if this is right shows but Peter Popoff guy Miracle spring water in the prosperity the prosperity preachers talk about craft low-dollar his name is fucking Creflo Christian name but that was a dude who was out in the world getting donations because you needed to update or upgrade his G4 to G6

cuz I need to spread the gospel and so you need to give me money so that anymore I need to upgrade all the money in the 737 Max 8 but that's just me it's so amazing that that hustle still works the prosperity ones are so gross because they go after people that are so poor and destitute that they can't pay their bills need to tell them if you just send me money God will pay you back tenfold and I know you say you don't have any money but you do you do you take that money you send it to Jesus and Jesus will bring prosperity in your life and then they have all these folks that are giving testimonials about how I was down on my luck I didn't have money for rent I didn't have money for food but I knew that Jesus needed this money so I sent Jesus the money and Jesus paid me back tenfold and now my life is filled with joy and prosperity and when I say that that is

what religion prays on the road agree with you 100% but I think at this point I think there's some benefit to like having community and having this environment where everybody goes to be humbled and everybody goes to agree that they're going to be good people that follow the ethics of Jesus and he put a little money in the dish and yeah they have to keep the operation running and there's a lot I think there's a lot of churches that do a lot of good but I think for every one or two that do a lot of good there's these motherfuckers that are just stealing money and driving rolls-royces are a giant fucking castles you know like that Joel whatever his name is what's that guy's name that motherfucker he owns a huge Arena he think they do the show near and in he caught

rash it when he didn't let all the hurricane victims stay in his place he was holed up in his 10 million-dollar Mansions sure he has several houses it's so distorted though the whole idea of it all so distorted but I think I think there's a lot of community churches that do a lot of good where they provide people would comfort you know it doesn't necessarily have to make any sense it doesn't make any sense but it provides them with Comfort I appreciate like I respect people of faith I think it must feel wonderful I don't know how it feels by it must be wonderful to believe in something like that so devoutly without any evidence without any indication or proof whatsoever that what you so firmly believe in is true but it's apocracy of it that I just can't abide by have

a clean to have some kind of holier-than-thou moral code but now things like the pimp president school I get it but like put your whole thing was like a Bill Clinton was the biggest scumbag in the world but like let's have some consistency is hypocrisy that I can't because trouble is there's not a knock on him but he was a lifelong Democrat he really became a republic and we thought about running for president as a Republican or Hustle the glass has been clean and squeegeed and you could see right through it the pimp Joel Osteen like he's like that's what it is well you found his hustle and I don't want to be mean about this but I think it's accurate is a level of intellect

I just subscribed to that kind of stuff that like I had a friend she was in the Mormon church for a long time and she left the church but she was really honest about it should I have a problem that I'm susceptible to bullshit but she's the septic has she grew up a fundamentalist and so she's susceptible to you know to like yoga type people like crystals and the lights feel like she's susceptible all that shit and she would recognize her susceptibility but she was being really honest about it you know that she's like I have a real problem I grew up believing something that doesn't make any sense and I believe that wholeheartedly and she goes in that sort of formulated a big part of how I ascertain what is accurate in the world so she's left with these like

childlike skills of of being able to discern what's bullshit and what's a hustle she's like a little kid I have a great amount of respect for people who grew up in a cult and who can make their way out of it I mean imagine when you're a child most impressionable and and you're steeped in that that's all you know like you don't know that there's an alternate perspective and you're able to grow up and say oh wait there's a whole big world out there maybe it's really hard I think break with the only thinking that you've ever known in your life I think it's amazing it's probably one of the hardest things framework they've been living there life under is utter horseshit like the Mormon one is so crazy to like the results are great the people are so

nice I do the nicest cult members of all times but then you go back and look at the actual framework of the religion of South McQueen when he was fourteen like hold on Joseph Smith was 14 and 18 20 when he found golden tablets that contain the Lost work of Jesus and only he could read him cuz he had a magic Rock but like that's Judaism and Catholicism it's all they're all mythological horseshit but they know who the guy was like so recent what science fiction literally failed a failed science fiction writer said if you want to make real money start a religion that is his greatest quote

2019 it still rocking and then a brand new Scientology Center opens in Miami I'm like seriously who you know the people who don't know what it is it's like you're going if it's still out if you want to put in the money till like some people have $100 some people have $5 and this is like intellectually some people have a lot of room to work with some people don't they just did their brain doesn't work as good just like some people have poor genetics when it comes to their ability to run fast some people have really shity brain development genetics have sympathy for someone who is taking advantage of her swindled an official of a con con person how much sympathy do you have

have for the gleefully ignorant or the willfully ignorant meaning like the information is there it's available before I give you my money I could just I don't know Google it how much sympathy do you have for like the willfully ignorant people who buy airplane they bought their tickets they knew what they were getting into well I'm a big fan of Willie D from the Geto Boys and he has a quote that I was like to use you got to let a hoe be a hoe

and I think in that sounds like you got to let dummies get fleeced it's just part of it part of it is there for us to see part of it is there for you to go watch the game with all their money off cash like there's something to that that's it it benefits us like I'm not a fan of these videos where kids try to skateboard off the side of a building and they slip and fall and land on their head and oshit but those video serve a purpose and that purpose is not everybody gets to do the hands down the side of the building and survive some people fall in the laminar fucking head and never the same again I don't know if there's left with I got third graders IQ for the rest of their life that's a real man so it's George Carlin's bit about you know the kid who swallowed the most marbles doesn't get to grow up and have kids of his own that's how it's supposed to work unfortunately it sucks if it's your kid but it's all of us are experiencing his life together and there's some folks that are just

shity job of it and part of me thinks that because there is no Utopia right there is no enlighten people there's no one civilization it's got it all nailed it Salon together and everyone's totally fine with every single Choice everybody makes cuz everybody everybody Waffle House that's close to think we operate under this weird system where you've got to see the failures in order to recognize that failure as possible I think there's his actual Community benefit to people fucking up and there's some Community benefit to people getting fleeced listen I always say that

at first I don't believe anybody that says any artist or anybody out in the world creating something and putting it out there for people to react to it I don't believe anyone who says they don't read their reviews so they're all I read all of the reviews and I read the bad ones twice cuz that's where you learn the most they could be right they could be wrong but I feel like it's where you fuck up that like you you learn the most from it and and I think I feel like it's a white man in America all the time I have to keep myself in check the way you were describing earlier that I like you know what if you just come to realize that maybe the world isn't exactly the way you perceive it and then it is a lot of other people who have very different experiences from the ones that you have until maybe the reality of the world this is different for those people sure and you can be a more enlightened person by be more empathetic and trying to understand those perspectives trying to walk a mile in their shoes and I just feel like I've learned so much

more from the mistakes that I made the failures that I've had certainly than any of the successes I have in my home I have no idea movie posters but they're like Arthur other people's movies and I have none of my own movie posters at home that's that's that's at the office at woodholme is for except I had one for a while I've one poster the one of my movies that I hung in the bathroom over the toilet cuz it was a least favorite and I just want to be reminded every like that that was a time I took a shet you know like for the whole world to see and I hung it over I wanted to remind myself of it you know who you're a smart guy you take motivation and failures I mean that's what failures are really good for when you fail something there's there's a benefit to that got sucked I don't ever want to suck again like let me figure out a way to not suck always say that was about comics when we bomb that is it's a terrible feeling but it's the best opportunity for growth

because you realize like hey I obviously didn't do a good job I need to figure out what the fuck I did wrong and batten down the hatches and get this ship right cuz I can't experience that again IDK makani fan in no small part cuz I had been to shows where I've seen some of the biggest funniest guys bomb and I'm like Jesus short of being a soldier or a cop like a stuntman this is one of those dangerous self-destructive jobs like it requires such bravery and such strength of soul and thickness of skin that like I wouldn't fucking Vegas this a 2012 Heartland big beautiful room

shat like for the stage was like a wall like I was sitting against like the fucking stage and I can look up in like Harlan shoe would like past like right in front of my eyeball right above my my eyeline and he was doing material for one of his last specials and it was the one I think might but in the second last year that whole bit about like he doesn't believe in God but like he believes in like shit that he can see and he's afraid of like the sun or Joe Pesci odor not one little bit and he's Trucking back and forth doing it fucking Cricket's fucking crickets pack house sold out on the only one laughing in the room

trust me in this giant room laughing at my ass off and I'm all by myself and I'm at some point I turned my stop laughing long enough for trigger bread to take a drink right and then I looked back up at the stage and Carlin is right there he's like a hunched over with his head like dangling off the stage like practic I look up how to practically nose-to-nose with Carlin and he goes to thank you sir and just walked away and I saw I was at the Improv by it Miami when they would have had the one at the number to the Hard Rock the Hard Rock.

I was like when they say they're supposed to be remodeling rebuilding at the Seminole Hard Rock like what's the saying that like in a casino The House Always Wins unlike these Indian casinos are the only place where like the house never wins does it matter how much money you lose their we still like rape their women and stole their country so like at least you could do is like tropical coin at the Indian casino and that's what I would do I go play Blackjack in South Florida so you got on play Blackjack but they bulldoze The Improv and I was there one night Gilbert Godfrey was there

and I was literally the only person laughing like in pain like I was in pain laughing and it was just brutal and like and I've been in these rooms are like these got pain and I was just like these the funniest people that I know and it's happened time and time again and I've been to shows where they killed and I've been to shows where they died and I was like this is amazing this is so amazing it's like this if anybody gets back on stage after that after a night like that it's just it's remarkable to me I have nothing I have such respect to the Bahamas like sucking a thousand dicks in front of your mother but not really because somewhere out there there's a guy who loves sucking dick in front of his mother and if you put another 999 he wouldn't be that sad

no one wants a bomb in front of their mother knowing what's a bomb. It's just terrible it's a ruthless experience it's it's it just rips you down and in shreds all your self-worth makes you feel terrible but again some of my best growth. In my career and come after eating shit you spike didn't realize we're taking them and then got to go to work you can't be complacent and that's one of the things that fuels and motivates me to this day I'm terrified of vomit so I'll just keep its anything I can use to make me work harder I use the six years since I did my shittiest work had been like

for me artistically creatively the most productive and like I I I feel

finally after 20 years of making documentaries that I might be doing like my desk work like but it took that fucking long and it took basically almost six years from totally bombing you note for me to feel like I I hit rock bottom and then have spiked in a better than better than before you've done some documentaries with some dangerous people in them you know obviously Griselda Blanco's probably one of the most dangerous people on Earth while she was alive and in this do you also touch on that mean there's a lot of these people are fucking sketchy folks and you're exposing how stupid their activity were does that has ever creep you out if you get nervous like cuz you're making these documentaries mockings people and rightly so but it's not Cocaine Cowboys really mocking is more exposing but this one is like openly mocking this one's really good man it's really funny and it comes out March 29th

April 5th on VOD that's like iTunes Amazon review on your cable box in the theaters 12 CDs on Friday the 29th and then I mean music hall free rent and then we're all psychic San Francisco Boston Miami Orlando this 812 cities and then I guess depending on how well it does being put up by Greenwich entertainment who just won the Oscar for free solo documentary people will go see it and listen it I hope it's a comedy I think it's, it's a, try to make it higher

fucking god of the Tanner was his name again Twitter for sure I like what I just imagine if you got one of those guys in your life and he's just stuck in your life like shit how do I get this fucking guy out of my life and the fact that he borrowed money from this guy and then did loaning money to this guy and that's what caused this whole thing it is Alex Rodriguez is going to be pulling his fucking hair out, what in the fuck and Alex just paying everybody's always MLB I mean everyone was running amok in Miami like just hiring private investigators running people down actually this isn't in the documentary but when these convicted felons stole

the stolen documents from Porter Fischer who is still in the documents from Tony Bosch they set him up in this whole Summer Tanning Salon hey why don't you go in and try this new spray tan colors it's trumpian orange light on and while he's in the fucking spray tan machine they open his car and steal these documents which has these Client List of all these famous baseball players including the highest paid baseball player in the world and so they steal it and then they turn around and sell the stolen documents to Major League Baseball for cash some MLB has this ragtag band of Misfits these this internal FBI like your own internal investigations division that they created after the Balco steroids Scandal they're running a muck they are seducing nurses former nurses from Tony Bosch's clinics they are literally in diners

which convicted felons handing over bags of cash from some MLB slush fund I don't imagine they were get a 1099 the guy and I know where this came from 125 Grant and what they did was that the felony was doing it had a buddy at a neighboring table at this diner with the cell phone recording video recording this transaction and then he turned around and went to a-rod's camp and said I'll sell you a video of me selling known stolen documents everybody knew these documents were stolen General be buying a stolen records still in evidence in the State of Florida Department of Health investigation for cash from a felon at some point he gets like freaked out and nervous and delete this video off the hard drive he whines at selling a rod a blank hard drive for six figures okay and A-Rod sends his hard drive people around the world

Recovery Services unfortunately the Felon didn't get his second six-figure payment because that was some that was the first six figures were against the recovery of the day like to three hundred grand to show a rod a blank hard drive on private investigators were like having car chases to South Miami it was just totally crazy and I wish you liked you come down to the swamp and roll around you going to get some mud on you so when MLB came down to to Miami when the guy Jerome Hill the the former Baltimore cop turned Florida Department of Health investigator he he says unequivocally that Major League Baseball's investigators broke the law in the State of Florida and should have been prosecuted for and held accountable for it and never and never were I'm it's good to be a multi-billion-dollar monopoly how old was A-Rod when was definitely

that's interesting thing about this. I don't give a shit about steroids in baseball and this era of steroids in baseball was not the same as the other you know the Barry Bonds baseball these are not guys you know with Nexus size of my waist or anywhere but they're microdosing HGH and testosterone and a lot of these guys I mean listen their livelihoods are contingent upon your physical performance and so you got to play like 162 games and 180 days it's the most physically grueling schedule of any of the other professional sports in the Yankees were going out to Copacabana all fucking night OK Porsche number of baseball players compared to the general population on Adderall performance of partying all night at the Copacabana

how to make a 1 p.m. game maybe even a doubleheader they're doing amphetamines it's always been a part of a baseball is fine now we're just looking to maybe recover a little faster from injuries or 50 you're looking for guys who are looking to maintain Peak Performance for the longer. And then our bodies might have otherwise allowed is it that big of a deal I don't know it's not and it's it's it's a weird deal it's a weird thing we have an issue with like you've look if they did the same sort of stringent testing with NFL players you'd find out that everyone's on Stones that's just a fact you don't get people that big and they do catch him every now and then but I feel like it's like one of those things were like you know the drug cartels they'll let some drug drug shipments get busted so that the other ones will get through I almost feel like that's what they do with with NFL players get caught like where we're testing

that's what that's what this was with a rod your bud selig is the steroid commissioner. That's the bottom line his tenure was marked by the famous you know Mark McGwire and Sammy Sosa Solis show

knowingly I believe exploited and profited from that Era baseball that really saved them at the 94 players strike anybody supposed to look at the size of those guys started yeah I mean so many of them from like a before-and-after cuz they're too fucking baseball monsters on Tana Mojo for pricing what's interesting to me is as some people recovered from that stuff that some people did not Jose Canseco never recovered never recovered in the public eye

does it and that's why you so pissed at it it's fucked up a Pioneer in something people really street named after him in in Miami and they took that shit down in the middle of the night after Decades of name of that street from which is totally humiliated as it's also check out a book yeah but like it's the public nature of can't say it goes book it's like I don't know I'm just guessing he's book was like his will turn out to be like the with a Canseco's book about stories turned out to be like the Steele dossier of baseball and everybody thinks he's pissed and thanks a bunch of bulshit and then over time it's the only proven true well that's that is a good way of looking at to write because like I think about the outraged when Clinton gets dick sucked by Monica Lewinsky and compare it the Donald Trump have at least two women that we know about we paid off

the fact and people are evangelicals were there standing where there's a guy who was some some Christian guy who is saying this all of these accusations or before he was born because he was born in the eyes when he accepted Christ in his life but I guess when he's running for president peanut stormy like when when you pair up before the Electra

I feel bad for her too because I feel like she thought like this is going to go all in on this and then she lost a court case against him so she owes his legal fees 300 Grand this is crazy like we're going to get that and now she's trying to do stand-up. Houston Texas they were calling her the queen of clapback that is clean of the clap clap clap. Clap back expression like someone Kim Kardashian claps back at critics like like that is the dumbest I cannot wait for that one too fucking dry up and go away not Kim Kardashian that that expression like Twitter insult comic con clapback they're calling it when someone has something to say about someone saying something about them that's clapping back that how does that translate to Stormy Daniels doing Stan

how can you do stand-up out of clapbacks while they were calling her the queen of clapbacks she's going to do stand-up again I mean who knows maybe she's hilarious I mean as a, can I leave the door open for all possibilities but then I just means to me that she got the situation where she thought she probably was told by everybody look hey you're going to win this he's going to pay you off if you're going to everyone's going to know that you told the truth and people going to pay for your interviews and man but this is America it's just broke supply and demand economy like if she can make more money, he's hard work she can make more money just spinning on a pole like why cuz she's got older lady she's not young man you know she's not Young

okay I'm sorry stormy

Don't Clap back at me

I thought you was older but that thing is that we everyone so used to it now it's like not that big a deal it's like even if a new accusation came out he would like like like to measure the New York Times report about Trump we're talk about Shady business dealings and they talk to me like they did years rear-ender yeah totally didn't do a damn thing in and out just off the shoulder is problematic

it's like all the the new American values its to me what what I think screwball is about in the end meaning like cats fun and it's funny and it's a farce it's a romp you laugh but I think that there is a conversation to be had about what I call the new American values which are like a cheat and steal and get rich or get ahead and these are values that were teaching our children now not honesty Integrity tell the truth do unto others as you had done unto you the golden rule on when I'm showing them be a bully by cheat and steal and you could be the biggest highest paid baseball player of all time low by cheat and steal and you can be the commissioner of Major League Baseball like she can steal and you two kids can be president of the United States and I think of the new American values

he's going to do damage for generations and we're not going to be able to fully comprehend or understand or Allies damage it's done for some for some time and it was like after Clinton Clinton redefined what's X-Men and we were adults you can laugh at it but the truth is is that he said oral sex wasn't sex okay and we saw the spike in sexually transmitted diseases among teenagers and young people mostly through oral sex cuz they said the president said absolutely yes it was a it was a legitimate Public Health crisis uses you saw a following the clinton-lewinsky Scandal you saw an increase in sexually transmitted diseases through oral sex amongst younger people because of President it's hard for us to get we see the president right now is write about it, it's it's

present we know it's bullshit but what do you tell kids this is a present in the United States is that what was or was it because I think without question obviously the the size and scale the coverage unquestionably on people people people thought younger people developing Minds impressionable you the impression that you could not get a sexually transmitted disease through something wasn't sex and the and the president reset those values just like this President I feel is re-calibrating our values and I think that that's that's what most I mean other than the potential nuclear war I think I think that is what is most dangerous and what could cause the most long-term damage from this is these new American values lie cheat and steal I was literally too cute

with one of the kids the little kid Ryan Blanco Who plays Tony Bosch in the movie the lab coat and the Hare and I was like you know what lessons do we learn from this movie and see this is where I got this from he's interrupted is 10 years old and is it go I know I know it's your Q&A to do during the battle and he's like my cheating stealing and to win or something like that I don't fuck this kids 10 years old you know and I'm like this is what he thinks the values of America are well it's interesting because in the documentary one of the big things the news clippings is George Bush discussing steroids in baseball in 2004 what's a 2000 State of the Union and he was talking about how it sends the wrong message that cheating in baseball sends the wrong message to the Youth of America

and there's I thought that was silly at the time I was like yeah we're fucking message but the reality is those things do have a ripple effect and if you tell people that the way to become the Superstar just through hard work and dedication but also through taking things that are illegal because they're going to pump you up and give you an edge on your competitors wear short cut society would look for those those tricks of the trade show it always necessary to achieve something naturally Irvine Hardware problem is some of those shortcuts work like adderal like steroids they fucking work man you know the UFC has had a giant problem with them for a long time it was exacerbated by this time. In the early 2000s where they allowed people I guess it wasn't quite the early 2002 was actually later in the 2,000 where they allowed people to take a exotic

testosterone under therapeutic use exemption if they would call it trt and so this famous like the Vitor Belfort error when he was on trt to start smashing people cuz he looks so ridiculous he was so jacked and that during that time. They they fell into this there was a sort of a really piss poor way of justifying it. Just in case one of these people have low testosterone low testosterone is a disease if we give them two stops when they can perform better but the way around that was he's guys were actually on steroids steroids crash there testosterone that go and get a test look my testosterone is low like yep you need testosterone and then they would take steroids and essentially nuts there was but testosterone which has more facts

and and then eventually the UFC said look we fucked up we're going to go a hundred degrees the other hundred eighty degrees the other way and I are you Sada and we're going to we're going to crawl up everyone's ass with a microscope we're going to find out what the fuck is up and man body's changed careers crumbled Bayman we saw so many people get busted in the beginning so many people got caught and still getting a TJ Dillashaw just got caught who's a bantamweight champion just just relinquished his belt for something I don't know what you got caught for I don't know what the circumstances were and some people have been caught for accidental contamination because they're like there's a lot of different supplements he could buy even creatine standard stuff that's totally legal to take but they contaminated cuz you're buying them from cheap sources they make them in China and when have you that was the problem with this Tony Bosch who wore lab coat had a stethoscope

how to check my email see medical school is dr. pepper ordained minister marry people that's legal legally ordained minister I got it online Tony Bosch despite having attended what one of her interview subject refers to his beliefs School of the medical and Performing Arts to get us he was never a licensed physician in the United States and he was he had legitimate prescription pads and DEA numbers for doctors that he could then prescribe these drugs and in fact wanted to go one step further Lycra time of the pill Mills and actually sell them in the house to his clients I was buying them in the black market from some dude in a suburb of Miami making the shit in his garage so that's problematic you know what here's one that's problematic was kind of weird doctors of Chiropractic like you know they don't go to medical school

and then some of them check this has to check of Asatru can chiropractors write prescriptions

I don't think that they can't I think some of them really I think in some places they can write prescriptions like in Tennessee or and I should wear

I guess some of them could be doctors though

highly doubt you're right about that actually. Flynn chiropractor say I do a lot of good for people I'm sure you do is a lot of good therapies the chiropractor's also offered to churches but the actual evidence that manipulating people especially your neck that does any good at all there's none and it actually has killed people people have died from having a neck manipulated why I felt a lot lighter at the car lot of shit cold laser and massage and stuff it does work but if you look at it was murdered by his own son his own son murdered Emma ran over with a car and then took over the business Jessica Sondheim musical it's crazy it's in it was all in the 1800's and we've had it for so long that people most people didn't look into it and see what what is this

what is the science of this this guy thought that you could cure everything including blindness leukemia cancer from adjusting your back this is premise was based on how's it going came from a seance keep me alert on Sorel but there are still chiropractors that buy into that same idea that they can cure things that's not just your dealing with pain right and if the manipulate you looking really paying off that I can assure you of certain ailments because of your spine being aligned incorrectly going to adjust it it's popping you just like this just like you do that with your fingers when you crack your knuckles that's the same thing through like a release of nitrogen or something I don't exactly sure what causes that

yeah but I don't see the see anyting know what I'm doing it right from the father who is illegitimate prospered in Florida as you can imagine and no small part because there's a lot of doctors who from all over the country to retire to Florida but they are still medical doctor so you have guys like Tony Bosch entrepreneurial spirit and Clinics and then you would call the medical director to the doctor and they say hey how to rent us will put your name on the bed

call of the action and they're basically renting out their Prescription Pad in GTA number so that guy's you know these other operators who in this case identify themselves falsely is doctors can you know exploit that that power of the prescription pad and so that's what's happening here and more problematic he started treating high school kids and whose parents and baseball coaches had heard about him through word-of-mouth and brought these kids to him to get an advantage of a big immigrant Community obviously and in Miami we have a lot of shoes baseball Community I'll get people who are smuggled specifically into the country for the purpose of playing baseball and signing those big guaranteed contract right out of high school that's do you have parents and kids and coaches looking for every Advantage you were going to this guy though they weren't hearing about him in the high school locker room these were coaches and parents who are bringing their parents to you might take a guy who they presume was a real

doctor but nonetheless looking to cheat you know the game the system and that's problematic when you have this guy who knows he knows he's not a doctor but she was a True Believer in himself really thought he was helping people and listen putting this guy could not explain traditional advertising he wasn't doing Billboards and tv ads he just he was strictly word of mouth so he had clients who were getting results including nearly a hundred cops who were referring their friends to his clinics so these parents came to him looking for help help for their kids and those kids are our victims for sure your kid especially one that doesn't have any sort of real hormonal ailment is to inject exogenous hormones and their body just fucks their brain up for emotions there the other entire endocrine system crashes afterwards that causes depression silly release is suicide a lot of kids getting their offspring potential drops pressure

yeah you definitely can't get a disproportionate amount of I mean end up steroid use population of autism Childhood Cancer horrible horrible things that happened to the children of people who are who are on some of these drugs I think a lot of the folks that are looking at it in terms of a career in baseball or in any other sport where they could benefit to go hey this is the price that I have to pay in order to excel at this extraordinary Avenue for financial gain will tell me why she was treating Manny Ramirez and when he was in Boston and low testosterone you know he was getting on in the years and boss started treating him put them on a protocol as he called it take for x amount of why substance Etc at this time each day microdosing is you said so it wouldn't any of that they're randomly tested that wouldn't be detected I don't know if that works or not

give me the pussy bows on certain days I don't know what that the scheme was but man he starts to come back again I don't know if it was psychosomatic or he really was actually perform better and that's when he got his 40 million dollar deal no small part to this guy who was you know who is juicing and that and then gets busted this is dirty after surprise task before a game because according to Bosch he didn't take the micro dose on precisely the instructions you know that he'd given them and so pissed dirty and as a result of the what you would assume is negative publicity from Annie getting busted and then connecting it to Tony Bosch in Miami that was the word of mouth that got a rods cousin to come to Bausch and say hey you should meet my cousin

he's playing this game in Tampa come up in and meet him and it turns out that it's Alex Rodriguez it's just amazing that someone who made as much money as Alex Rodriguez has Knuckleheads like that who can see the future because if I was his friend I be like hold on hold on hold on he's already been busted dude listen to me they're looking at them they're watching you don't even like everything else in American Life found in politics it's a WWE okay when Bud selig the steroid commissioner was on his way out the door literally on the eve of retirement and he's like you know what I need to look like I'm doing something about this cuz I got a great big fat ass trick by my name in Uno in the record books here like all these players do the steroid era I need to look like I did something on my way out the door so he calls his second-in-command Rob Manfred says Let's do let's do something about this and then go after the biggest scalp you can in the game Alex Rodriguez and so when they needed Alex's

he'll that was the storyline okay so they nail Alex who's in charge of this whole botched quasi-legal operation investigation about Genesis and and Alex gets the gig at end is now the commissioner of baseball and he goes you don't be a good story line now what if I bring a rotten Pete Rose back is commentators damn good as commentators until Pete Rose got in trouble again they asked him now you got Rob Manfred basically put it all on the line and A-Rod who put it all on the line fighting each other in this battle of legacies bud selig

now they're posing with JLo out at night clubs and stuff because that's the new storylines to let you know one day you're the Keel the next day you're the hero hero hero it's like whatever whatever I end and they're just telling everybody this this bill of goods that this is all real you know really have a picture that was him with a minotaurs body scent or sent our world is apocryphal a real I know people who have been the apartment and claimed to have seen it all sell I want to believe I want to believe it's just amazing

why but making the funny faces and quartz like fucking hilarious and it's so good LOL I was just laughing I was like this is so ridiculous and to know that this is all something that really happened to tell you we've been at this making documentaries for like 20 years now almost and so this is the most ridiculous and fucking absurd is this is it is the most meticulously researched documentary we had ever done why we're dealing with some very powerful litigious individuals and organizations so we knew we had to get this 100% right not to mention the way we shot this on set on location for 10 days we had the playback on the shed so we were committed to this dialogue right and so we had to make sure we went and obtain transcripts that were never released publicly of sworn testimony in the case to be able to cross-check some of the stuff that we were told and we're going to put in the documentary and we just a reaction shot

at some of the actual locations in Miami where these real events took place the fountain will live at the fountain blue hotel in the nightclub the Sports Grill in South Miami the Ritz-Carlton key just took the kids there but the facial hair on butt fucking cop Uniforms on in the new pinstripes on and we just film them all over town what's funny about about it in Miami no one looks twice at it's no one thought anything of just us running around his little kids with beards and mustaches in gray hair and looking for the blood in the nightclub we lost a vial is blood in the bathroom and then lost a viola cheesus Christ it was so crazy I was just watching it like shaking my head like this is all real this is how this went down that guy was worth how many hundreds of millions of dollars how much for over four hundred million was his gross revenue just in baseball and I mean to keep this guy around him

open Miami that's what you surround yourself in Miami that seems like all those kids like a key to the hell of a job like that with somebody so good you should come down to Miami and super doing it I just mentioned to you earlier we turn Cocaine Cowboys into a stage play yeah you were saying that before we started our you should come back

how can you become a musical in the car and come down in and she's called Confessions of a Cocaine Cowboy you might remember in the documentary was a hitman Jorge rivi Ayala the Godmother Griselda Blanco and when we first started researching the dock in 2004 we obtained a seven-volume 1300 page deposition that he gave and normally the Depo you're like the answers like yes no yes no I don't remember you know don't recall this was like he was a cooperating witness against Griselda in the Miami-Dade County State of Florida was a three capital murder charge of SO3 death penalties. An old Sparky cases and the electric chair and so he was cooperating witness so it read like a monologue you read like a reading it and going on with the New World School of the Arts High School just where I studied

play band 15 years later we returned into confession of a cooking Confessions of a Cocaine Cowboy might my producing partner message on Sirius from formerly spoiler alert he's not on the show anymore this character got into some trouble Queen of the south on USA he's brilliant in the show and so by producing partner David simkin describes it who produce Cocaine Cowboys and edited edited it with me he's described as a cross between Cocaine Cowboys and my Twitter feed it's obviously a little absurd if you're going to put two Cowboys is a live theater event so we kind of acknowledge the absurdity of it and the visiting The Surreal exploitation of it and the guy and Michelle Hausman who's the director of the play at Miami new drama

at the colony theater in Miami Beach on Lincoln Road he said he said why are we doing Cocaine Cowboys for the theater in 2019 and I was like it's a good question cuz like to speak to the relevance of like why do this now and I said well if you take away from the documentary you take away the drugs in the money it's really a story about

immigrants children and gun violence

that's what it's about and what could be more relevant in the Contemporary conversation then immigration children and gun violence and so ultimately I wanted to make a story about the Miami of yesterday but the America today like I said the Miami of today is America tomorrow so here's a story about Miami in the 1980s but it really resembles the America of today and so to do that we had to do not make it totally fucking depressing and disturbing we injected a lot of humor in a lot of irreverence in Intuit the woman's healing Mendoza who plays Griselda Blanco also plays the state attorney so she has his dual role as sort of these dueling antagonists against Rudy The Hitman and it's just with a friend or in Squire this great TV writer and I both roles

because I felt that they were

flip sides of the same coin I think that the state attorney is an interesting character voices are so different than Cielo does some people after the show would be like oh my God she was amazing zero was amazing you so who's the actress that plays the state attorney Kathy ever like we won't tell her what you had some weird effectively was Mars Attacks and Jack Nicholson played the president Tim Burton still go out myself do that every now and then but UFO related things

I got their crazy it's great it's holds up man wants to like two years ago that holds up since it's wonderful to use the same woman did you think about that for a wild you have another woman and always want to do it from the beginning of a strange relationship with the state attorney in Miami-Dade County she's been the state attorney for about twenty six years now and and he was first elected she was like the first Cuban State Attorney in the State of Florida very ambitious she was the only state attorney we had since Janet Reno left us for the Clinton Administration that's how long she's been so now she has one of those records where you examine it and you say okay what's actually happening in this town would people say to me like why is Miami so fucking kurupt kuruption grow a greater and wider than fucking oranges

in Miami and the reason is

when you have the top cop in town does not effectively enforce public ruption laws and does not pursue public ruption you have an area where it's just you send a message of impunity that's the bottom line you know no trouble arresting innocent young black kids on drug charges or whatever but like when it comes to enforcing public ruption she is just nonexistent and so what happens is you have a at end of course it's like the broken windows theory of crime if you allow Petty corruption to 2

two to go eventually some of these politicians wind-up literally in a closet at City Hall accepting bags for the money and the only thing we've been able to rely on just let me send you the feds coming in and trying to help but you have a state attorney who has never in or 26 years in office charge a police officer for non Duty killing despite a proliferation of these incidents explode in the reason is because police know that they get away with it because Kathy will not prosecute them so the message that's being sent is it dangerous wanted and it is created Toxic effect with the relationship between obviously police and and and the citizens that they're supposed to be protecting and serving it's it's creative are dangerous you know situation in the city and it's also created a situation where just like mayor after mayor just gets away with pure fuckary

it out Miami so corrupted when the Top Cop is the same person for 26 years if you're looking at something if you want to know what's wrong in the community or with anything you don't look at what changes Mayors come and go police Chiefs come and go Commissioners come and go killers come and go in a criminal's come and go you look at the konstanz you say what's been the same here for 26 years that's got to be the problem and ensure shit that's that's the problem so I wanted to make a statement about the state of Miami today and say that that you know

also the blanco was born in Colombia very difficult time in history that country during Lobby alencia this brutal brutal civil war between liberal and conservative parties that went on for like 20 years almost caused caused the horrific murders of like 200,000 people some very brutal somebody public it's been reported that she has a hobby with their friends in their youth just run around us bury bodies that were just lying in the street no lying around like I was just a hobby something for the kids to do and so you grow up in early like you open a cold you grow up in that environment your psyches fucked you know what you're not exactly born into money or power or wealth you know your dad's not to judge you don't exactly have those benefits are opportunities and if you can try to make something of yourself for me the problem of course it was on the block of wood into a and elicit and illicit

from that era it just I wanted to have a discussion about a lot of the characters argue with each other in the play about have different everybody is it's like that had how Miami is like Game of Thrones in Paradise with slightly fewer dragons in it like we just self-segregate and it becomes this battle of fiefdoms and and cuz we're not like we're not Multicultural very much segregated like I always say the common misconception about Miami's that were Melting Pot we are not a Melting Pot we are a TV dinner or sometimes the peas fall into the mashed potatoes you know how are little kingdoms you know by Flag by nationality much so and so everybody's arguing about how we're different and the place where when you walk away or like I give you this conversation about how we're all the same and some of us have different opportunities than their then than others and it's just that matter if it were able to make those of those opportunities and that was sort of the comparison I was picking by

cuz it's a little locally it's a little scandalous the fact that the same actress plays both of these these very powerful house because he is a very powerful popular because you've publicly stated there's a reason there's parallels between her and Griselda Blanco flattering in the play I think she gets a fair Shake in the play but but review the character through his commentary comes down pretty hard on her I've been publicly very critical of her in a constructive way publicly owned by social media and but I mean 26 years and it's a spoken agreement or if it's just a unknown sort of just this is just how she does business you don't have to worry I call it conspiracy of convenience because not every conspiracy

involves a bunch of Rogues Gallery at a boardroom table and a dark smokey room you know it's she's a convenience or just like people are in positions of power and everybody just kind of wink wink nod not everybody knows what they're supposed to do and you don't ruffle feathers and you don't you don't fuk with conventional wisdom and this is the way it's always this is the way it's always been done to this is the way we do it and everybody just kind of the other phone line or they get rid of one way or another and pistons operate such an exhausting project to create a play out of that

sort of horrific time in Miami history it was you were doing it that's the first thing I thought about being a lazy fuck I'm like so much time it seems like so much time to do what I want to do that I know there's there's like it is not very profitable so I want to go with a real money is theater plays NBA player writes to go to make your fortune Billy Squier like this has to be purely tactical experience to know projections no archive like news footage live music in Miami first of all these days if I just got to put my pants on to leave the house that's a fucking asshole meaning like I'm home and I can just chill I want to just chill till probably be like okay I got to go see a play

get the car going to Brave this traffic spring break on right now my TB just out of control so you got to go to South Beach go to the theater Lincoln Road and then like

pay your hard-earned money to see this play displays are more expensive tickets for plays or a lot brighter than a movie right and so or Netflix subscription so you don't want people to be there like what the hell I can just stay home and watch this shit on we're seeing a really disproportionate number of people coming to the theater who would never been to like a live play before because of their interest in the subject matter the title Confessions of a Cocaine Cowboys documentary two people are coming and a Rowdy and they're like interacting with the actors is kind of fun to do a lot of breaking of the fourth wall we're really talks to the crowd of the cops talked to the crowd and so they're talkin back the audience in there and it's fun and very end and funny and and I think pretty thought-provoking particularly at the end and they just like this audiences is like oh shit you can't duplicate this experience in anyway I mean

Netflix is one thing being in the room it's totally different energy but that's a good size for like an intimate live show it's you and it's a beautiful historic Theater Miami Beach is not a lot of what's it called when the colony theater and you might have done a few different places I don't remember all of them on the smaller room for you but like it's a great cool space used to be an old movie theater my grandma used to go see me lost and preserve a lot of our history of Miami it's like I was saying really like we're such a young City literally young and we were like

America's Perpetual rebellious teenager we're like everything new we don't like we have a transient population lack of institutional memory and were like fuck history let's just knock this down and build new cuz that's the only way to create jobs like talking shit down redesigning it rebuilding it repopulating it building at all state income tax in Florida just constant hustle so to have a place like that where it's like oh we're going to take a deep breath and say this is a cool spot there's no venues like this in town it's been here for almost a hundred years like let's Preserve at Ellis preserve the original architecture let's preserve some of the the oldest I get sold carving of like Pelicans like this really creepy like old-school DecoArt it's really it's like by Miami for Miami no income tax things very attractive to people people Melitta states that don't have income that's one thing that pulls Nevada pool people in the devato

if there was a law when they couldn't get his money did the homestead law like that you know that you can you can't get the money you can get the house you can't it's a it's a great place to sort of case if 30 + million dollar judgment against them Florida now he is he still there

oh I don't think so I think he's in Vegas. I think they release them but they were going to I think you might be on paper so I think he might have to stick around I'm not certain for a while I think it was asking permission to go to Florida when he first got released by the Attorney General Florida no thanks to be fair though she was a blonde woman so she was scared so too soon to know if he's in with them it says he's a he's one of the weirdest cases in all of American pop culture history I mean he is one of the weirdest cases you know there's a fantastic photo that someone made a meme off of Howard Cosell with Bruce Jenner on one side and then OJ Simpson on his other side and Howard Cosell say and I've seen the future you not going to fucking believe this

cuz it is so goddamn crazy that one of the most famous and beloved people forget before that murdered beloved mean he was like the rock actually right and that in a lot of ways maybe even maybe even I want some more of that level I mean endorsements Hertz rental car ads he was in movies was inevitable he would wind up in Florida course but but like crazy just crazy this is something that in the end not to spoil it you've been so so kind to not spoil screwball but in the end that's also part of that the message is the idea that and why we use the children

these athletes are heroes to these kids they look up to them these are supposed to be role models and how many professional athletes do you know who you'd be like

I want my kids to idolize this which person like legitimately like so it's like a cheat steal to get ahead message I think is what we're teaching our children These Days Inn and that's the case would like OJ Simpson it's like this keep you idolize did they ever come back from skate I don't know anything about baseball one season in the history of the game suspension Raptor and then we were tired and the Yankees made him like

they gave Mike a front-office job Richwood Mentor young players make the shit up didn't really ask for that that is so interesting that he did we become persona non grata like I did tonight I don't know how it's been one of the greatest I think reputation Rebuilders I remember he was not a beloved figure as a baseball player now he's like maybe my mom knows I think they're going to be studying this case study of like image rehab is going to be studied for like decades to come in as p r classes calculated it was but feel like look at

he's never even apologized or really admitted what he did he ever went on like the mayor culprit or like Lance Armstrong Lance Armstrong's positive know he never failed a test part of a spiky was on the Shady doctors dockets how the fuck did the doctor use the right name that's what's so crazy like why did you use his name what do you mean why did you use a Rodriguez how about use a pseudonym he was doing a lot of cocaine at the time and he was all his life was about to hit rock bottom while he was running this business to his medical records there was some file folders but a lot of the composition books like just old-school CVS like to use the movie nicknames and like

schoolgirl like Journal like he would write his name in different fonts motivational speaking ideas that he had was like it's a real journey like into into his mind if I put lights cheap spot on some pages there be like codenames like you know he had a guy that was like you know better you named after cars are named after you like me whole ordeal Spanish words for things like that he had a player anybody bought him like an SUV of some kind so we like in my Tahoe whatever the fucking car was you know if another one was DUI cuz he just got a DUI that was like after a while he just kind of abandon it and there was like

a Rodriguez or Alex Rodriguez A-Rod in the books kind of a scratch off of cocaine which is good he went to federal prison and rightfully so for the kids for the high school kids that he specifically said you know one thing for consenting adults to engage in this Behavior to another thing for you to drag kids into this mess and potentially poison them so we went to federal prison get this

he whines up in a camp so it's like minimum security federal prison in Alabama and he whines up teaching in part A nutrition class to his fellow inmates he's in there with Jeff Skilling of Enron who's teaching a business class and Jesse Jackson jr. who's teaching a political science and Civic scores to their fellow inmates escape prison is the best place to to learn and that camping out in this movie and so is you always do with movies and end to the couple scenes that we wanted to do that we ran out we just couldn't do it a condom from the schedule so one of them is an epilogue with all the kids in federal prison like jumpsuits and like Tony teaching and like a little baby Jesse Jackson jr. a little baby Jeff Skilling from Enron

sitting at the bar at the Ritz-Carlton Key Biscayne and he's writing little protocols on a fucking cocktail napkin for the bartender's for inmates for like vitamins and supplements that they could buy in the commissary commissary by these vitamins of the subway and there you take it this time you'll lose weight what do I do any given an end and started coming to him like I'm looking to lose some weight for a child is very much a True Believer in himself he's got a lot of faith in himself in and see for a while I was planning on opening

a nutritional supplement business across the street from Marlins Park opportunity in a Miami is a is a land of opportunity I told you this last time I saw you that it's an old saying that I love that La is where you go when you want to be somebody New York is where you going you are somebody and Miami's where you go when you want to be somebody else it's just it's not only 10 of reinvention it's like it just always been a sunny place for shady people who gets busted selling steroids to kids what does that guy do for a living afterwards I think he just sort of being subsidised by family and friends right now he does have kids and child support probably did to make somehow I don't know exactly what is up to I'd like the Alaskan the next time I understand this weekend

quick money he's quite so British sure that's always the bad decision-making what's what's funny that this is that he caught him like on his way into federal prison in November of 2013 Alex was in the midst of the arbitration that you see at the end up knowing that we portray at the end of the movie MLB's offices in Manhattan and

we got a call from his publicist and a publicist says

yo Alex is going to break from the arbitration and he's coming down to Miami's got an office in Coral Gables which is just like very wealthy affluent suburb on the Jason to the city of Miami attached to the city where the University of Miami's located where Alex Rodriguez field is at um on campus and so you should listen Alex would like to meet with you to talk about possibly doing some kind of tell all documentary Jesus is November 2013 so I'm like yes please meet us

high noon at Hillstone Restaurant which is the power Lunch Spot in that neighborhood

most prominent Corner in the City Florida ceiling windows open kitchen everybody from the street to the dishwasher can see everything going on in that dining room

they want to meet us there at noon so my God OK Amigo they're slammed every she taken mobscene around the host and 3/4 deep at the bar they have scored us down the center me and my producer Alfred Spellman right down the center aisle parade us practically and ESPN 30 for 30 is a really fetishize the directors so like they have like video interviews with us like you and bumpers like every hour like little little segments and so people sometimes recognize me usually in Miami like close to you and because we did the UN you know. So if there's any play any place I was going to recognize it was two miles from the University of Miami and so take it right down the middle and they are in the center booth

on this elevator platform around the back is Alex Rodriguez holding Court like step up on the stage to join him and like all eyes are on us in this place and get introduced tonight I need like an ice breaker so I'm like so who's going to call Page Six You Were Us sure shit two weeks later wasn't sex and so we sit there and Houston last so it was clear that we were there to be seen grabbing this meeting it was so clear it was it was part of Alex's we said was there a plan it was kind of a plan it was part of Alex's like your extensive or push back against Major League Baseball and so we sat there with him for almost an hour and a half and he just lied just lied to us the whole time and

I didn't know if you look at my records the eye called screensaver all right I just put my producing partner Alfred is a degenerate baseball thing gets like the fucking mlb.com package has it on his desk on his iPad all day long during the season I'm just like Ione I guess he does that instead of Ambien sleep eating with baseball I guess I don't know so he's just like but he's a huge baseball fan and but I left I was like she made a lot of good points and lied about everything that I can't blame him you lied to everybody in those days and he was and he was desperately trying to salvage has his career and his legacy and he allegedly lied to the DEA in a Queen for a Day meeting with a Queen for a Day meeting other than George Papadopoulos I mean you're supposed the whole point is you're supposed to tell the truth that they're not going to get a fuk with you but he allegedly did that's what is Queen for a Day mean

you got a letter for it there like investigating your witness an investigation we understand you may have participated in Summit illegality or committed some crimes in the course of this larger investigation but we're not after you we just want you to come in feel comfortable and free to tell the truth to our investigator so that we can pursue our investigation accurately and fairly and we will not whatever anything you say will not be held against you essentially in a court of law. So you're a Queen for a Day that call if you get a letter Queen for a Day letter and the whole actually called that talk to you for a day and so I don't know if it's the thing the feds had and so Alex was free to just speak annoying you can to Iowa Federation dad is a crime that is in fact I think George Papadopoulos was ultimately he lied a new screen for add a meeting the whole point is to not get in trouble

that you would make about the investigations Call My Name writing page six and that shit was involved I don't have the juice to make that happen Alex's I was flattered you didn't think he was lying I suspected he wasn't telling us the whole truth I thought he made some interesting point it out for to Alfred

had was a picture in High School North Miami Beach Senior High Go chargers and Alfred taxi pitched against Alex Rodriguez's like one of his only War Stories from his baseball years in high school right is that Alex was a senior Ron Frazier baseball camp out of un and they do the summer league game and Alfred this is my eyes are glazed over telling your story but like pictures against a ride and everybody knew this was going to go in the draft and be shoot everybody knew about that he had been the talk of the high school baseball community in Miami forever and so Alfred picks against him and he held a ride to a triple this ball sailed with Buddy he was it was only a triple wasn't it was a rare not home right now so I thought we have like a funny personal anecdote like we can find some common ground here right you're talking to someone who might be a potential energy

subject you know and so I might actually Alex you and Alfred his neck before after rolls his eyes like he's going to Paris me and tell the story so I tell it like it is in this funny like you guys Alfred held you to a triple

and he looked at me like you're looking at me right now he's just he was totally unamused and maybe look even a little

hurt or offended this is the greatest baseball one of the greatest baseball players of all time the highest paid baseball player in history and here I'm just telling this cute story for my 20 years earlier whenever and he seemed like I told me to a triple like how could you be upset about that you are the greatest of all-time lights super winners but it's like you guys are really interesting character but he's a complicated guy he's an interesting guy too sensitive guy like I was curious about him I was excited about the prospect of interviewing him and man they don't have it goes to this out yet January 2014 that's when they lowered suspension I start hitting up every month starting at the pub eating chocolate mention he met with the 30 for 30 film makers book proposal to these Publishers the book proposal thing was total bunk literally not true of the Publishers like

love to get one but we haven't gotten a book proposal from a ride he really did have the meeting with us but like everything was just we're just kind of Pawns in his whatever they respond to this documentary not exactly but I brought six or seven months I'm emailing with a publicist and it was clear that they weren't interested so by the way it was there a strategy and just like like you said like if the president being your tired of big Escondido Escondido Expo there and then maybe if we just tomorrow within the 24-hour news cycle in this fucking in this world it just being us being hammered with Dad news on 240 characters every second of every day just shit just passes and they just they they played it just so so beautiful and brilliantly and then almost a year later we got a call from a friend of Tony Bosch you guys want to meet with Tony Bosch she wants to talk to you about doing a documentary

like hell yeah so we take the meeting really interesting. I would meet with him several times over several months and then he says listen I want to do this interview because I'm getting sentenced to prison tomorrow

and you about that you know that the case was ongoing he said that look I expect the judge will give me 45 to 60 days to surrender to complete this drug rehab program I'm in and then I'm only going to get like a year-and-a-half two years in prison and so we could find a couple days before I have to surrender to do this interview at least I don't like to see what happens tomorrow depending on how much time the judge gives you like you're going to prison when we want to spend some time with your kids to take two three four days out of your life for this maybe we'll join you get out in two and a half years at least 80% of your time but then you go to halfway house sometimes for a little bit at the end I'm 6 months as long as a year sell he

goes goes to court the judge says for years and you have not 45 to 60 days to surrender but 45 to 60 Minutes to surrender give me your you take off your belt in your shoelaces and surrender to the b o p and he did and so fat burners again then I got a fucking email from Chanel Frank who was the Woodward and Bernstein of the case he's like the journalist who got the stolen records from Porter Fischer The Whistleblower and blew the lid off the whole thing of the beginning 2013 he says to me to order Fisher called me and he's asking me for your number to discuss possibly doing a documentary with you first of all like

we should have some big documentaries about things that double we make documentaries about things that happened like 20 30 40 years ago this felt like it had to wait for more time to pass you know and here we are and I'm not a spiritual guy I don't really believe in the universe talking to me or anyting but I thought man if ever someone was trying to tell us something it was like you got to make this documentary the three primary players in this major baseball Scandal all independently of each other contacted us with in just over a year to talk about doing a documentary about an alpha jokes in Florida when you get out of prison by your first call is to your mother or second calls to raconteur to our company documentary Tony got out I hit up Tony and like I'll come visit you in Alabama have to do with getting a sentence reduction and then

camping Alabama I wrote him I said you going to come up and visit you be talked about this he said I'll be in a halfway house in 6 months so let's just meet in Miami I was like done and then when you meet Porter and you meet Tony you see them their interviews documentary Alex this isn't even about Alex and I was like this is about these guys in this crazy you know Carl hiaasen like Coen Brothers botched robbery like store now until I got was a story we wanted to to tell and that was the Tony Porter part of the story will listen to you fucking nail it's a great documentary I really enjoyed it but like I really enjoy all of them and just keep on fucking knock it out of the park man thank you. Baseball metaphor Corbin b i l l y c o r b e n a not the lead singer of Smash Bros on Twitter and Instagram Billy Corgan Instagram same on Twitter hit me up brother thank you

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