Swapcast - Podcast On A Plane with John Dudley

Jun 21, 2019

Joe and John Dudley sit down on a plane to discuss their recent hunting trip to Lanai.

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able to discuss I get it but if you are interested in the thought process behind it and you you're interested in how difficult it is and what what goes on and what takes place when you're trying to close the distance on a weary animal that evolved to get away from Tigers which is what axis deer did their kid to come from India there were a gift from I guess the king of India to King Kamehameha we are initially just going to do this for John's podcast but he wanted to do what we call a swap cast that's what all the kids are doing these days like you do my podcast I'll do yours will just put it together all in one and we'll release it at the same time his podcast is called knock on and it is a completely it's about archery archery and bow hunting and John was a hugely successful Target Archer for the US team and he's one of the best if not the best bow hunter on the place upon the face of the planet and one of my

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friends I love them to death so please welcome the Great and Powerful John Dudley

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I'm all day and we're rolling clears cheer that's that's only part of a cat lady I mean obviously yeah that's just the one well it's a critical part it is it is without the red wine the cat lady is not that ridiculous right it's just red won't ya tequila and Red Bull yeah that's normal that's like Red Bull and vodka it's not too crazy yeah pour the red wine in there you like well now you're just desperate now you're just like everyone shows up to a party with what they found in their parents frigerator yeah then the cat lady appears have you ever made one of those since then yeah a lot I couldn't I turn people on to it all the time that it was so ridiculous I've gone into bars where people recognize me and then they the waitress comes over and says the bartender would like to give you this cat lady and I'm like

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what people don't know what we're talking about the cat lady was a drunk that John invented two years ago and Lanai two years ago yeah that ghost years ago last year the year before that two years ago and we was Shane Dorian Sam so hard battle Brian John Remy had ready yeah Remy left he didn't get to enjoy it that was the first we did a podcast in my suite and we just went into the minibar and we just grabbed everything I don't know about this we stuff you came with a full bear hug I've just I could hear Klingon happening and you just dropped it the middle of the table ladies what we got yeah you're like hey let's podcast and that's where it all started by the by the end I just was kind of grabbing I think I was consuming more than most so I was just reaching around trying to take whatever was left and then you're like what the hell are you boring so that was our first year doing this trip and this

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here's our third and man it is it is an odd first of all it's an awesome place to get ready for like elk together to get ready for anything yeah anything if you can successfully especially if someone's Wang you know like where they rate I remember last year when I L cont'd with Andy I told Andy when we were in Montana that this time I'm going to be limited on how much I can hunt with you like we'll both go opposite directions and then after I think two days and he said okay I realize now how much of My Success before was hinging on you navigating me in these like small moments that I didn't really realize how important they were and I think if you can come here and if you can do you like if your guide can get you close but then you just say I'm

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a test only myself from here in like from the 250 yard Mark in if you can get it done on an axis here you can get anything done yeah that's like you agree hunting skills yeah I think that's black belt skills especially if you're taking a large long shot and you managed to crawl into place because a lot of it is crawling if you plan on coming out here folks bring some knee pads luckily our Sitka gear pants have built-in kneepads yep which are excellent but if you if you if you use a different kind of camo first of all you shouldn't second of all if you do these different kind of camo better get some knee pads just the pattern itself looked amazing amazing like when we are glass across when I would glass and look at you or when I'd look back you blend it I mean it worked really well we're great everywhere the subalpine is the bomb it's the bomb I've used a lot of different camo trying different stuff out and you know I really love first light they make good stuff

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but Sitka is the best they're the best they just take everything above and beyond everything is One Step better you know it's funny they won't they won't come out and publicly say that subalpine is effective for like white tail or turkeys because the gore the gore mythology I don't know if I said that right but they have a protocol of having their tests to prove things or be able to make a statement or very vigorous for Gore so because they've never truly tested subalpine to a turkey's Vision they won't come out and publicly say that it's effective for turkeys even though I can tell you it definitely is early-season whitetails at Midway through the season for whitetails hundred percent effective but what it was truly tested for was subalpine it was like tested for hunting big game and so they'll say that but I can tell you

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there's any type of foliage that has a hint of green in it it is effective it just breaks everything up so good like when we were Utah hunting elk oh gosh land right in then I would think back a few times I could I I couldn't tell where you were in the even in those poplars where there's some white black speckle it looked amazing yeah it's a perfect breakup pattern you just you don't see the human form for here what matters most is movement and I guess what the environment ha ha now we have a something a little different Margarita yep that'll work yeah the movement is big but I became an even bigger believer in the heck suit while I was here when we have that bird fly by and just land right behind us I was like dude what is wrong with this bird he was right in our idea we were there yeah he's right in our business yeah we were just sitting there and this

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just flew by and landed right next to us start tweeting away let us know I think you said you go what's this thing doing and I just looked at you I'm like that's what things do with the heck squirrels jump on my shoulders birds like try to land on me what a wig you out is when owls when I'm in a whitetail stand and owls will come in and be like cupped gonna land on your shoulder if it's a small bird I'll let him do it if it's a squirrel I'm like get on there dude I'll do that when it's got talons I'm like whoa like them back off bro but I've had several hours just kind of come flying in they cup up and they're just going to land on my shoulder and I have to just whip out just so the heck suit for people don't know hecs the heck suit breaks up it Blocks Your electrical signal right the electromagnetic signal that your body gives off yep yep and it's been proven

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work on fish and it's been proven to work on what other animals fish is tested for sure birds for sure because migratory birds have had tons of tons of like I think I shouldn't say Federal but like granted test to track migratory birds and how they see and it's proven that birds do see in electronic Fields so for Birds they say that it's incredibly effective because like that's why they've got all that footage being able to crawl out on geese and people shooting turkeys from just sitting next to nothing just you know being able to do it but for those it's really important that your hands and your face mask and everything are fully covered with the hex we're honestly I'm going with the major muscle groups for my stuff I wear the top and the bottom for small game and big game and I'm a Believer man so people surf school still

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skeptical - yeah I mean you know some people say Hey you know it seems like it you're selling snake oil and I'm like I get it I get it you know I understand what you're saying all I can tell you tell you is like with bears their predatory animals with bears my encounters with them has just been weird you know how well it works but then if my camera guy doesn't have it it seems like I'm picked off more hmm so I definitely feel like when I've been in my one-on-one situations and I'm fully you know fully clothed in it I wear it all the time I mean I guess it'd be easy for me not to but I always do I mean I I'm a Believer in it for sure yeah I became more of a Believer this trip I felt like there was too many moments to were deer were staring at us and they just didn't know what the hell we were when where it's like some of the times in the past when I wasn't wearing it the same sort of situation to deal with start blowing

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and then they would take are they baby yeah take off yeah make that crazy barking noise and I took off when you when we got up to your dear and where we you know we were kind of his final resting place where we took pictures and stuff did you ever look back to the tree that we were for those of you who want to know we're actually on our flight back this is a flight pod cast everyone around us like what's going on not know we're just podcasting folks did you look back at that tree and see how small that tree really was very small imagine me and Joe Rogan tucked up next to kind of a bonsai tree and we had a crawl yeah about 80 90 yards to get to 80 or 90 yards crawling and we get to this tree and I I kind of grabbed the base of the tree and I'm trying to shimmy

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the tree just enough and I figured there was going to be a few axis there and that's the thing with axis when they're bedded you might see one or two that's standing up at the time but once I got there I look back at you and I'm like giving the signal like dude like don't crawl but like on your belly scoot like just use your fingertips and your nails and like pull yourself to me because we the the our cover was probably only two feet tall and with you with a backpack on that was about all you could spare was just laying flat to your stomach and crawl up to me and then you got behind me and used me as a blocker to come up and how many deer how many deer or within 80 yards of us it was a lot it was a lot they were everywhere shot the deer that's when we really realize how many there were oh gee water from popped up

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yes tons it was pretty crazy so let's talk about your shot first yeah because that was honestly that was the highlight of the whole trip for me was just hearing that sound we had the sun hard at our back I couldn't really see I was trying to film so I couldn't really see where your arrow went I just could see I could see that Broadhead right past my shoulder and I was looking at the tip of your Brodhead and seeing how still it was I was like referencing it on something that was behind it and you were just stable and I could see your Broadhead coming back back back back on the rest so I knew you're just pulling on that Silverback just slow slow and sweet and as soon as I heard it go dear I just looked right at the axis and I heard that sound that just I knew it had found the Honey Spot well I committed a hundred percent to the Silverback last year

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and when I hunted here I was using I was using a thumb trigger and which is great but these deers so skittish and these moments are so so adrenaline-filled I felt like I made a decision I'm like look I shoot super accurate with the Silverback why won't I hunt with it like what am I thinking am I thinking that I need to make it go off quick like what am I thinking I'm just going to go to a hundred percent silver back and I'm super glad that I did because I shot my elk last year in Utah with a Silverback I shot that amazing elk at to hone Ranch which is like the farthest I've ever shot an animal 75 yards perfect shot in the heart Silverback I practiced with a Silverback I don't practice with anything else yeah sometimes I'll practice with the knock to it but I use a Silverback so much I don't even think about punching the trigger yeah don't even think about it I just put my thumb there and I pull through it the same way I do with it with a silver bar that's how it is people don't

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realize that there's this window when you have one thing that you really like and you feel comfortable with and you feel like you have control over which let's just say it's the knock to it or are or an index finger wrist strap release and then yeah you learn with the silver back and you realize okay this is a good training aid and you're kind of afraid to lose that last little bit of control that you have but there's that window that if you can push through that you forget about that feeling and you just realize this is like you almost realize there is no other option this is just what I shoot with yeah this is all I use everyday plus I can make it go off and a second or two seconds once you learn it right it's all in it's all in the scapula it's all in that preload yeah it's all in that muscle in the middle of the back the rhomboids that's it's all in that and I I shoot with it so much you know I have that archery

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enter my studio and I'm just constantly shooting I get there before work I shoot after work I shoot it just constantly shooting constantly shooting with that thing so my body knows exactly what to do that was one of the most satisfying things about this trip like even the shots that I missed and I missed a couple shots because these animals are so fast and we took some you know long shots and one of them is 80 something yards and the arrow was perfectly on track for the boiler but that thing saw the error heard the arrow and just like Point see you there at so fast the one thing that's different with the axis is I don't think axis try to locate a sound and then decide whether or not that sound is dangerous or not with most animals what I found is the first reaction is to pinpoint where a foreign sound came from and once they're locked onto that if there's anything following that then now they they kind of react like a fight-or-flight thing so I've had and I can

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this a lot and video footage like with elk where they'll hear the bow and they'll turn and look to wear a bow went off but if they don't hear something coming they just stand there and the arrow comes in and I really feel like that with with the for Fletch setups we have I feel like the arrows are quieter than what we've shot in the past personally will definitely want to shot last year because last year here I was trying to use a fixed blade and it was a fixed blade with some holes in it yeah it was like a whistle of death roll on some of those longer shots that the deer would turn but you could see them look up like on the footage yeah these they didn't do that they just looked our way they never looked up to like that sound that they could hear coming in so that's why I think the the projectile was good but these things are just there keyed in and we talk to our buddies Sloan from Yeti and Cole Kramer we're over on the main island hunting access to their on Maui

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yeah they're on Maui hunting axis and I asked them how they were doing and they're like dude shot a few doze missed a few lost a few these things are just crazy how fast they react and move and you say it's just you think it's from Tigers yeah I think it's evolved to get away from Tigers it's probably what it is from India they were given to King Kamehameha I think in the 1800's but that they're just an insanely fast animal' there's so much faster you think of mule deer is being fast like mule deer are drunk and on pills compared to these yeah really they're like there's so slow I think these are these are as fast is a highly pressured South Texas Whitetail that's coming to a feeder that's kind of like jumpy Twitch in the whole time it's there and you kind of have to aim I got to the point where when I was out with Kam Kam ask me where I am and I said dude

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pin was sitting in the corner pocket of the leg and the body like I literally every time I drew back I put my the pin I wanted on the back of its front leg I'm followed that back leg up until it touched the bottom of the body and I was pulling right there I was I was I was pulling on my trigger in a place where my pin if the arrow hit exactly behind the pin it would like to shaved hair off its armpit but that's not where any of the arrows hit they were all ducking and turning and I feel like they're moving at least four inches down possibly more yeah and turning away it seems like they duck and spin out like that's their move pick the feet up and like rotate 180 degrees Yeah you agree yeah hundred percent they're never like

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going forward that's why I think that this is the perfect place to show how effective a rage is the perfect place to show how effective a large cutting surface arrow is brought it is yep the benefits of it giant because if the if you if you have the variable of

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not knowing a hundred percent where that Arrow could hit you know you're going to be within an area where a Kill Zone possibly depending on how fast it's reacting it might be a little bit outside of that the more damage the better off you are as long as you're able to still get some penetration and Cam said to on the last podcast he's like hey man I definitely see where there's an application for this yeah and he's a fixed blade Fein fixed blade fiends do you think you would have got your dear if you would have been shooting a fixed blade head it's hard to say I mean it's hard to say you know you I think fixed blades many of them especially vented ones they're louder to yeah there's that's a that's a factor as well yeah could have nothing really knew what had happened with your shot

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I mean there was a lot of deer there and it was like barrel and then that deer ran off and he knew that thing had to have been completely expired Within

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three seconds you got to be fair it's printed as far as it could get was like 50 yards which way you see how fast an axis runs 50 yards not very long and it was dead seconds and and done and everything else was just looking around like what happened what happened yeah they mean I had a second shot I try to get a second child of another deer at 70 yards and that deer duck string yeah because then they were all alert yeah we're all like keep they knew what was up you shot the rx-3 love it it's all fours with so quiet it's so quietly quieter than our X1 yeah which I loved yeah I love the RX1 but this is better I mean those Point Engineers man they know what they're doing yeah thing is super quiet it's super-accurate did Cam shoe in our expertise you Felix okay that's right I forgot which one he was shooting I'm I shot the Helix to I'm going to switch back to to an rx3i think for else

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season people ask me all the time while you know why one over the other I like to shoot them all because I know people have different price ranges I don't think one's more accurate than the other I really like the fact that I can change my grips out on my memorizer if I was honest I would say I would like it if we went back to what they used to do on the carbon risers where they do that they wanted you to be able to have the ability to shift the new grip left or right depending on how your natural grip is turning the bow so that you can adjust it to have like perfect alignment of the arrow down the center shot of the riser for you because obviously we've been shooting together for years you don't have natural torque in your front hand so I didn't have to shift it anyway your arrow and everything is lined up right down the pipe like right down the stabilizer your PIN sits right on the outside edge of your shaft you don't have

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he torque in the in the Riser at all you don't even need to move it but I think some people have than a natural ability to kind of grab the handle so they wanted you to be able to remove that screw lift the grip off and you can move this aluminum plate left or right underneath the plastic grip to kind of compensate for your natural torque personally I'd rather just not have the torque yeah learn how to not shoot that yes probably bad yeah it's like a Band-Aid so maybe did love those knock on elk plates yeah I love the way it feels in the hand to its extra grippy even when you're sweaty it feels like it really sits in your hand well I've always said less less riser in your hand is better you know less less than your hand gives you less ability to torque what you're holding on to is it the same for pool cues it depends some people like a thin grip pool cue and that's what they prefer

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I have big hands and I like a fat grip pool cue because there's less movement in my hand when I when I hold a pool cue when it's sitting in my hand I want I want my hand to be like just dead I don't ever want to I don't grip the queue really like have a death grip so your elbow is almost like an upside down pendulum IQ sits on like you know one Spider-Man it swept shit those two fingers were Spider-man uses it's not yours that's how I hold my Q IQ sits on those fingers just and this so the idea is that it just like you're almost throwing the Queue at the at the ball so you're throwing the Queue at the cue ball so that you're kind of like letting the weight of the queue and the swing of the arm do the work you're not you're not death gripping it and jerking it and punching it you don't ever want to punch the cue ball yeah you like me you want to be relaxed the whole idea is to be relaxed when I'm playing at my very best

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barely gripping the queue and I'm letting the natural texture of the rap sit in my hand and this one of these right A lot of times I like to use a Rapala skew which is just wood with you know an enamel or mean some slacker call cover on it and then I put beeswax on the lacquer and that's my favorite because just sits in the hand it's tacky and I don't have to grip it at all and I just let the queue do all the work it's like the more you can relax in the more I play like I play for a few hours then I gets real relaxed and then I could really just sort of like gently move my arm and let the cue ball do all let the cue stick move the cue ball do all the work you're the same with archery me it's like I can come out of the gate and feel really relaxed and feel effortless as I shoot and then as I fatigue I obviously feel like I'm putting more effort in when I'm ready to pack up your just starting to loosen up and it's the same with with pool you can play pool forever

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I mean I've had to just be like hey dude I'm done you're like I'm just getting loosened up yeah I get loosened up about eight hours in with with pool the guys that look like they're not putting any effort in is that one there with archery one guys look super comfortable like you almost feel like the bow isn't real you watch them you look at them at full draw and you realize it doesn't even look like they're holding 60-pound like the they look everything is in line everything's efficient you look effortless effortless is it the same with pool exactly the same yeah when you see someone tighten up from nerves you see their hand grip the cube different and he see movement you see like the QQ goes a little bit left a little bit right they put unnecessary and accidental English on the cue ball yeah it's it's one of those things where the more you could stay calm the more you can relax and

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I on technique that's one of the reasons why our chorizo attractive to me because there's so many parallels with pool so many and martial arts as well one thing you said the other day that I really really liked and I don't know how we got on the subject I might have been yesterday but we were talking about we were talking about how sometimes in sport for me it's easy it always seems easy to forget the basics like I forgetting and also now I'll be coaching someone new or something and I realize they're asking this question is like oh man yeah I'm taking for granted this basic yeah but for you you said with comedy you never do that which I think has to make you better at it because you and actually with my school of knock what I do to myself every year in December every year in December I'm like okay whatever I've done this past year doesn't matter I'm going to wipe the Slate clean I'm going to start with

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shooting enough arrows to where I can I can build some stamina practicing and then I'm just going to focus on my fundamentals one week at a time yeah to try to back up it's not as it's not going back as far in the basics as I think what you were talking about but it's still it's still a really cool like training aspect yeah isn't it yeah well what we're talking about what you're saying is every two years I write a whole new act and I start I'm like a beginner again I'm a beginner who knows how to do comedy but I don't have any new material my material is or I don't have any old material my two materials all new so I have to figure out how to make it work and all these people are paying to see me so I have to work really hard at it so I can't be lazy and I can't take it for granted and it's like I become almost like a beginner again every two years so every year lately because of the Netflix special yeah well it's too yeah it's it's it's

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years in between specials every special I did one in 2014 2016-2018 so I'm on like a two-year schedule it seems to me to be the right way to do it yeah because you can polish yeah you can get you but what's most important is one that special comes out like my last one came out in October of last year of 2018 that's specials out that materials dead yeah it's gone you can't say it again then I moved to the new material and then I have to write and I have to it's so I have all these people coming to see me so there's no way you're ever relaxed or too comfortable or you can't take it for granted you have to always be nervous and always be on the ball and it always be working hard and always be concentrating on

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the fundamentals of Comedy like making sure that you're using the economy of words making sure that you're saying things in the way that makes sense to people the best way to get it to people and sneak in the punch lines where they don't see him come in and have premises that are good and address those premises in a way it's like the most smooth way to do it and so it requires a lot of thinking about comedy a lot it seems like you're in the perfect place to being so close to the store for you to be able to go to The Comedy Store I mean can you think of something that morning and be like I want to try this I think it depends on my way to The Comedy Store really yeah all the time and you're like I'm just gonna throw this out there yep throw it out there see sink or swim sometimes they sank and you got to acknowledge it you got to let the people know alright that was a new joke and that sucks I'm gonna keep going in the people get a kick out of because they know that you're trying things out like all the people that really know comedy that's what

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see one of the beautiful things about The Comedy Store is how many comedy fans like real aficionados go there people who you know they know that they can go there and any night of the week they could see some of the best Headliners on the planet yeah and they know the process they understand particularly one of the beautiful things about podcast is it through podcast we talk about it all the time we talk about that process so the people that listen to my podcasts and many other comedians podcast they understand our process now where they didn't before yeah ten years ago people had no idea how comedians row chokes yeah now they know the people that are really big fans they know really well I've seen some of your lineups we're just it happens to be where those guys go to the store and it's not like it's a lineup it could be a freaking Comedy Allstar math oh yeah I mean I've seen names on that top sign where I'm like Jesus if you went there that night yeah you're like hitting

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being the best of the best you could plan it on the planet and it's 20 bucks 20 bucks and you might see Dave Chappelle Joey Diaz Ari shaffir Tom Segura Bert Kreischer me mean you see Christianity you see Tony hinge clearly and was there and Edwards: Smith it's just over and over and over it's like the lineup isn't saying gosh you've never heard of that her murderer is yeah you know yeah it's a beautiful place it's the one of the main things that keeps me in La yeah for sure that on the podcast you have a good routine yeah man I was ready to go I was ready to get the hell out of California long time ago it's like he's sucked me in well what's cool about our relationship to is

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there comes this point about November where you fully switch gears to Comedy and I fully switch gears to Product Development coming out really working on my shooting and I go in this I kind of go reclusive as a friend there's been I think it's Christmas time didn't I text you at Christmas and I said you know sorry for being a bad friend you are a bad friend both doing the same thing we're both yeah I'm like you know I just said I know you're doing the same but like that's from I think as soon as elk season ends you go you dare start your rewrite and yeah and you wipe the Slate clean and you start polishing and when you're in that when you're doing your comedy do you have to to stay in there to really really do good at it that was what was always hard with me when people ask me to do articles is there certain times a year where I feel like I can write an article and its really

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me and a lot of times it's when I'm coaching when I'm coaching and I'm seeing new people and I'm thinking about these things or I'm working on people's gear I feel like I'm a good writer at that point but when someone hits me in the middle of a time where I'm like in the middle of family vacations or if I'm in the middle of a Mountain elk hunt

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I just feel like I'm I'm like I'm kind of forcing it is it the same for you yeah I get those windows where you're like this is my window where I hang out with Comics I just think about this stuff this is what I'm thinking about when I'm working out do you I can never get out of shape I got comedies like it's very critical to never really get out of shape like I was shape is like this whole week I didn't do comedy that's as long as I did to me said some funny shit seven fun yeah but I can tell you're always thinking about week we bring up subjects I can't even think of them but a subject would come up and you that night the last night when cam was there and me you and cam sat there and then the girls finally came towards the very end yeah we got on some subjects I was just looking around like is anyone here like hopefully like we have some privacy because we went down some rat holes man it but it was funny

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that's the beautiful thing about comedy you know it's like everybody knows there's some subjects that you can't really bring up around a lot of people and those are the ones I like the most you know those are the ones that like if I can sell those to thousands of people if I'm going to room and there's 7,000 10,000 people in the audience and I can sell this super fucking dangerous idea sometimes I say I'm like hear me out like Jesus Christ what are you saying but if you if you have a point it's well thought out it's like they really appreciate that you took that crazy-ass chance and then they're laughing with you like I can't believe like I did a show last week we were in Chicago and I

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this giant Arena and Daniel Cormier who's never seen me do stand-up before came and afterwards we're working together doing commentary the next day he grabbed me he's like I can't believe this shit you would get away with me either goddamn it was funny but it's like you gotta know that you have a point you got you got a really have that but you can't just say it for shock value like for me especially at this stage of my career I'm in this very unusual Stratosphere there's not that many people that are in newer place I would argue that you are in a Stratosphere of your own dude you're at the top of this needle where you get away with shit that no one on this planet can get away with I don't know about that I think maybe other people would get away with it if they thought the model things that I was Ida sorry but it's this gotta you gotta have this I think about things a lot before I say

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I mean it's not like I'm just flippantly saying something that might hurt someone's feelings or piss somebody off like I want to make sure I cover those basic yeah you know cover everybody you almost cover everyone's opinion with in that Arena and you got to start off at the people that are opposing you yep you gotta start off looking at it like from the P beta man yeah I've been there I've been there at times where I'm like okay he's wanting them to like him just for a minute because he's getting ready to shit on them I just learn them into a trap of logic yesterday here yesterday we were at the hotel and I'm walking around with my vegan cat shirt and and and he and you I have I told you a story I was at how was in our Iowa and someone came up to me and they were legitimate it was a lady and she was legitimately triggered and she just said

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do you kill cats because I had this shirt that's one of Joe's shirt that has a cat with two x's on his eyes and it just says hashtag yeah it's cartooned our when cartoon animals would be dead they would have excess for eyeballs yep so it was hashtag vegan cat which is you know obviously one of the parts of geoghan Jose Netflix special from last year but I just looked at her and I said no I said I love cats and I said I'm trying to wit raise awareness for people that are feeding their cats like a vegan and they're causing blindness and Felines and she goes what and I said yeah people quit feeding their cats meat and they become blind and I said I'm trying to raise awareness and she's like oh my God I had no idea thank you so much I'm gonna start to raise awareness to people yesterday when I

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was yesterday I went to get a drink at the bar and the girl that came over and served me she stopped me yesterday and she goes do you hate cats and I go why and she goes what is that shirt mean and she goes I hope it's nice and I said yeah it's totally nice and she goes great I'm a vegan and I love cats and I'm like well we're friends but yeah that's one of the subjects right there that's one of the subjects were you got away with it dude no one else could get away with it that one was that was a lot of work that was a lot of work that one I had to like circumnavigate that terrain many times to figure out the right way to get that bit across because that was a real thing that did happen a lady really did say a bunch of mean stuff to me and then I went to her account and it said hashtag vegan cat and I really did look at my watch and go shit should I look at this

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like I should go to bed right now and I know this is true because most of the time when Joe Tex me something that's it's within 30 minutes of when I wake up in the morning because with the to our difference you're going to bed around 3:30 and I'm getting up around like 4:00 4:30 and why do my best writing for whatever reason late at night and I think part of it is because my wife and my kids are asleep and I'm usually coming home from The Comedy Store so I work I do my sets and then I come home and then I write a lot of such a good time to do it yeah because everyone's asleep in my brains fired up so usually I'm just hanging out with a dog and just writing and then like right till I'm too sleepy and then I go to but sometimes like I'll get these Sparks so I'm like I'm like I'm a spark farmer I'm out there just trying to farm some Sparks or a forager for Sparks I'm looking for Sparks yeah and then I find a spark that

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blow on that spark and I try to turn into a flame and then I have to keep that flame alive and so then I have to keep working at it on stage and figuring out a way and then some people boo me or they'll get mad at me and I go that's what I'm saying yeah and then I have to figure out okay how do I stop the boo in its tracks well I got to get to their argument before they do yeah so I have to figure out a way in such a good way to approach it dude but it's like if you're crafty it's Sneaky your hair it's obvious you're a black belt and a Jujitsu person because you're baiting people sneaking them in yeah sure that you're updating son of a bitch it's you are one of those things where it's like I've been doing it now for more than 30 Years it'll be 31 years this August so it's crazy I'm trying to remember I remember you doing a show I don't know if you did a show at the Riviera

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but I was shooting in Vegas and I know it was late 90s or early 2000s and you were doing a show there yeah yeah I used to do shows there that was the only place I performed in Vegas was it was it at Riviera yeah yeah I remember it then yeah so that would have been I'm sure it's 20 years ago so you have been 10 years in yep and I think I remember I remember some of my friends going and they were shocked because there they said they're like he is not filtered in his comedy compared to how he announces UFC because you like there's no subject is off limits is there UFC is a different job you know it's it's very confusing for people and I kind of sympathize with them because I have two completely unrelated jobs that cop well almost three you have degree podcasting is

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it's funny but many times not like sometimes I'm just talking to scientists yeah and then sometimes I'm talking to Scholars or the diversity is what has people hooked well it's to me it's that's how I view the world I don't need to be funny like I don't ever try to be funny when I'm doing the UFC mom wasn't my obligation when I'm doing the UFC is to give Justice or to give to to honor the hard work that these men and women have put into and their training camp yep and to appreciate their effort and appreciate their art the martial art you're super serious about martial arts yeah people try to make that funny you don't like it no most of the time I don't I mean unless something funny happens yeah if it but it has to if you my balls are hot yeah if something like that yeah that's just genuinely funny I laugh at that but for the most part my job is to

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make it exciting for people that are listening and to sort of explain what's happening in terms of particularly the ground that people kind of understand when someone is throwing a kick or punch and it's my job to point things out that I see like patterns sometimes I'll see you like someone moving I'm like this guy is moving at a much higher level like in an office sometimes that happens right before a guy gets knocked out I'll say I see a bit like this this past weekend Ricardo Lamas is fighting Calvin Tater and I said I see a big difference between the Striking level of Calvin caterer and Ricardo Lamas Calvin is just boom he lands a knockout blow like right after I said that like sometimes crazy yeah it happens like that but you but that's important for for people at home like they want they want the one of the reasons why some people like me as a commentator is because they know that I'm I genuinely enjoy this this is not a job to me yeah sometimes I don't

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here I am working on getting paid I'm getting some money I don't think that but I think it's like I'm first of all I love the sport and I genuinely appreciate what these guys are doing with these girls are doing and I just want to give I want to honor what they're doing I think anything you have interest in you a hundred percent come across as authentic and that's what that's what people say they like about me is because they say I feel like you are a hundred percent authentic about your pasture archery yeah and honestly I feel like social media helps accelerate that because people start to not have only this filter that the the TV network allows people to see or that sometimes you were I don't have control on what that filter is we might say like hey man that's not me can you like I really like if you did it like this or like no you know we've done some polls and this is really

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what we want which is what which is why I left my network yes because I realized if I go on to a live feed people a hundred percent get exactly how I feel yeah and I think the more that they experience that their Radars of Peoples Natural Radars of who's legit and who's not they're sensitive yeah and I think it's the it's the best thing in the world for people like me or you or cam or any of these people that we know within their fields where they're they're real they're like real people within those fields or Aunt you know and he's a great example to he's like he's almost breaking the mold of what a lot of Navy SEALs are doing is it fair to say that because so many so many like ride

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they're passed to you know to try to you know build something where is and he's almost you almost have to drag it out of them you know you almost have to say like no dude you've done some really cool shit we need to talk about this yeah and he's trying to say well there's more to me than that you know there's more to me than that but I think once people really see that Honesty come forward that's what people are grasping for their like I really want I really like that person that I'm seeing that's what I want more of yeah you're not produced you know when someone wants that's a good way to put knock on when you're doing a live stream or whether you're doing a podcast you're not produced and that's the same with me I don't have anyone telling me to do it I've been in that situation where I had someone telling me to do and it would tell me what to do or what to say it's just it's not as effective yeah not as it's not as genuine it doesn't come across that way yep I saw today it's it's weird how your phone

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your phone's a spy I got today I got ads pulled up in my Instagram about travel coolers whoa because we were talking about coolers yeah last night at dinner how we're going to get our meat home isn't that crazy isn't it it's so weird crazy crazy it's listening to it it's listening for sure yeah it's those who can tell us what's happening I want to know like what is your Phi need to get someone on that tells me what the hell you're phone is listening to because that does happen to people all the time we're also in the their Google feed the newsfeed has ads if that happens when you get really high before they come on just so you can really start to question you can really trip out yeah cuz you be like whoa yeah you'll be deep into that I need to find out I need to find out how they're doing it and what they're doing because that's weird like what if you were like planning a murder you have your phone on you and am STI knocks on your door and I don't know I'm writing a book

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murder and I'm planning it out with a friend to try to pretend that we were planning a murder so I could see how people talk when they're planning a murder so me and my that's a cover-up but if you did do that imagine if you did do that like if you were like Jack car right are frail George Peter yeah whoo he just gave me his two new books yep I brought mine here yeah read it but we were we never had downtown neighborhood we were we were having fun the whole time but I can say if Jack was writing a book or George was writing a book and he was trying to figure out how Jack is is we should say is his pseudonym that he has for writing jack cars is yeah it's his pen name is nom de pluie but if he was trying to figure out how someone would talk when they were setting up a murder and so we got together with an actor or a detective or someone and said how it what would you say how would you talk about it what would you do what would be the steps and the phone picked that up and also

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FBI's knocking on door Hey remember during anybody I'm writing books like what are we doing here folks what if you got an ad for like latex gloves Leaf shaped like a shovel a 1987 18 minivan yeah gasoline gasoline lighters be like hmm okay yeah I mean I'm sure honestly I'm sure there's companies that would pay if they knew this guy is a buyer yeah he's sketchy we have care which trying to make money we don't know nothing yeah we don't know nothing I think that you know we're talking about with to get away from that we're talking about when it comes to honesty there's never really been shows where no one was telling anyone what to do there's never been like to think about how many downloads you get per episode like there's that's a Sit what you get for your archery podcast

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is like a successful cable show yeah she's really crazy yeah right think about I get more more downloads in two days on my podcast then what Friday night full draw at eight o'clock on the Sportsman Channel got when I had that slot I couldn't I would only imagine that they can't compete no because it's no way a watered-down it doesn't resonate with people the same way it sitrep when people know that straight from your mouth and there's no what they are all this is who John Dudley really is like one of the things that people tell me when they meet me they go oh you're like you how you on the podcast and my guess that's me they just I don't have a boss yeah but there's never been a thing like that yeah don't have a boss and yet every episode reaches millions and millions of people I could see the number of people if I could like be on a stage and look out and see like

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I had be real from Cypress Hill yeah on the podcast the other day that was a good one amazing I love that guy I love him I love Cypress Hill but he showed video footage of when they're playing at Woodstock that was a half a million people well if I have a half million people listen to a podcast that podcast sucked like something must've went wrong yeah so think about the numbers like for a podcast that's like a killer podcast yeah oh yeah though it's unbelievable yeah what were I mean if you think back of like a really good band that sold out a stadium what that number would be and they're like this is a legitimate successful band well I feel like a really big giant band could do like a football stadium yeah like 50,000 people were 70,000 people which is you know unheard of right yeah that's the oh yeah those are giant giant numbers but that ain't shit for a podcast Daddy

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shit no so think about one of your podcast is way bigger than a football stadium which is really nuts man yeah it's really not it's never been anything like this and it's free it's free there's never been anything like this and there's never been anything where they're deaf to all feel using those sick and knee pads for some other purposes back in the day yeah if need more than the sick and knee pads yeah yeah more indeed some yeah some thick ones yeah these calloused hands wouldn't be favorable it's it's cool though man I mean we came at the right time for this you know we were made for you to have laughs the sportsmen Channel and enter into this new world isn't it awesome though what I think is so cool is and we me and cam talked about this about the number of people that we get exposed to that we would have never got to hear their voice people that write just a

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cool book having a you know that have dedicated their lives to a to an awesome topic yeah and you would have never liked unless JRE was out there for you to go down some Wormhole at three o'clock in the morning be like you know what this dude like I got to get this guy on yeah he's he's tripping me out with some of this information and then you share it to millions and millions and millions millions you know the I mean it makes honestly it makes mainstream it makes it harder from the LIE it definitely thinks I'm feeling things harder for them to survive because they seem so corny yeah like you have a mainstream show that covers these subjects is like stupid music and dramatic you know reads and and it's obviously written and they don't get to just talk like to discuss subjects you need time to define a how someone really feels about a subject

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you need time yeah and you know and what these shows are trying to do is they're trying to create these gotcha moments for the trying to catch people and misrepresent their position on things and they're trying to you know the trying to like create controversy because that's how they sold things in the past yeah but people are getting tired of being bullshitted the getting tired of it they want to know like like when I had Graham Hancock on the other day it was this massively successful podcast millions and millions of people downloaded it it's about the origins of civilization on Earth which is such a crazy subject yeah think that so many people would be fascinated by but they are but they were never represented before because it was never given to them in a way where you could just listen to the author who is this incredibly well research guy incredibly articulate has been passionate about the subject for decades and who was also often maligned by mainstream archaeologists and Scholars and now

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off those mainstream archaeologists and Scholars through new evidence and new discoveries have been forced to recognize that human beings have existed in these these more advanced civilizations in ever we than anyone ever thought before for many many many years thousands of years prior to when we had dated organized civilizations and cultures and it wasn't that the subjects were an interesting before it's just that you didn't get a chance to listen to someone talk about it non-stop without interruption or without a producer saying you know what that part wasn't interesting right now there's gaps to after you leave someone the ability to intervene and say well no that's not accurate because you never mentioned this because I actually had but they edited it out yeah yeah that'd be the person I'd be on like a PBS special and you're at the mercy of when they are it yeah how they break it up into there

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only two minutes yeah and it doesn't it doesn't give it the justice that you know obviously someone that's dedicated that much time where it deserved it yeah you know it's um it's a new world and you and I got super lucky that we kind of stumbled into this new world you know and I was listening to your podcast long before I met you and while I watch your TV show and then I found out about your podcast and then I was listening to your podcast and I was saying how crazy this is this guys talk about like X tends and different fletchings and different configurations and helical and all this shit like well fuck is listening to this how can I write that in the 1200 words you can't see your aunts someone be like hey we need a feature article right 1250 cat out but to me it really resembled pool in a way because with pool there's all this talk about low deflection shafts or 13

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tips versus 12 millimeter 12 and a half millimeter carbon fiber shafts Maple butts versus ebony which is a stiffer heavier weight 19-inch bow now carbons you told me yeah there's interesting for shafts yeah a lot of the top top players are using carbon shafts and like the big name companies like Predator they're making carbon shafts for cues and a lot of people swear by them they don't ding up like regular ones do but it's also like if I started talking to people the way I mean I've been playing pool for 20-25 years yeah about 25 years I've been playing pool like pretty I mean I never really stopped me and maybe a little bit when I was really getting heavily into video games I deviated a bit but for 25 years I've been playing pool and experimenting with different

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ups and later tips vs Buffalo hide tips versus cow High versus pig tips something this is all these different types of just kinds of equipment and you tell them that you saying this right now is probably like when you listen to one of my first podcast I think one of my first podcasts or the top few was because I kind of wanted to come out of the gate with this is how deep I have gone it's so I got James Park on which I love James he's an awesome dude he's from Australia but this guy could have a doctorate in the aerodynamics of an arrow that's probably one of the ones that tripped you out probably but now you're talking pig tips yeah pool cue thinking like it's making sense where I'm like well duh yeah different density leather tips would totally make sense but I never even knew it existed yeah until right now and now I'm thinking oh shit yeah now I'm thinking well there's

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50 different types of plastic like how many are they playing with Delrin sure then putting the pig to dick on the top of it or they using for skin yet like wouldn't yeah it's and then it's also wrapped cues versus wrap list the way you hold it the way you grip it some guys like the grip it with their wrist bent for so there's less variation some guys let the let the like to let the Risco real loose and let the the Cradle the queue in their hands it's like there's all these different techniques and strategies and like like it's also like finger punches right some guys who can punch that trigger and they can do it really accurately it's very few people that's the same thing with guys who have a death grip on the queue some guys have a death grip on the C'Mon play really I know you don't have a death grip but you know you it's like anything else you would have to learn how to do it correctly yeah and you would have to practice yeah you know I practice playing pool by myself mostly most of the times when I play I play by myself

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elf I wish I could do what Iron Man does where he talks to Jarvis knee expand stuff I want to do that on your brain when you're looking at angles on a yeah because moments when I'll break if I break because Joe and I played together a couple different times

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you look at the table and I can see like I know you're thinking Joe the one the thinking Jose they're like all the cogs are turning you're doing your Rain Man thing I wish I knew how many different angles and shit you were looking at well I'll tell you if you want you know I'll show it to you like we were talking about a little bit the other day I was like well I have to go with the four I have to hit it with right hand English because I have to wind up on the left hand side of the five because I want to drift down to the sixth is so close to the second I don't have the seven rather I don't have much room right now clean your whole layout I played four balls ahead always that's it no sometimes I only play three balls ahead if it's like a fairly easy rack but sometimes I like to play for balls ahead like if there's a cluster that I know I have to break it out I can't I can't fuck around I have to make sure that I'm on the the high side of this ball because when I Collide when I make the shot I have to hit that second ball I will hot and won't be able to get out I'm trying to get out I'm not trying to

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when I want to watch someone play because everybody likes to say they know how to play pool which is hilarious people come to my podcast Studio they're like oh you play pool let's play some pool okay let's go I knew you well enough to just say I don't know shit about this when you're like you play pool I'm like nope I don't this thing but I always I watch how they make a ball if they just try to make a ball I was like oh okay you can't believe it might be a little pockets and balls but I'm gonna fuck you up in the long run you might be able to make all the shots and run out and I'll say congratulations that was a disaster you got out but those terrible I did that twice it can happen yeah it's actually the perfect this is the perfect time to talk about when people try to argue with me why when they say what I'm doing is work and it's always worked and they're like we know you teach that way the way that I teach

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I would say 80% of the people it maximizes them to the best of their ability

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are there a fraction of people that are like the exemptions to the rule yeah and you can probably go and win a tournament you could probably at some point in your career if you go to enough major events you'll win one doing it your way

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but I'm certain that what I'm teaching will get the mass majority of people more production over a long run they'll be more effective right right way to do it is that right it is the same yes it's like I beat you two games of pool but to me that's like you know if you freaking throw three things out of the window you know one every hundred times is going to land where you think it might land but it's just change its chance well we're playing on an 8 by 4 which is smaller table and it has buckets for holes it's like those buckets all those things factored in and you know the table that I have in my studio is sucks it's pretty that's a brutal table that's like one of those metal targets that has the soft that's not exactly what it is shooting at forging iron Buck Target every shot I'm like dude I swear I would have made the shot at my

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table at home you're like yeah these pockets are a little smaller I'm like damn they're an inch and a half shorter than a regulation pocket yeah but that's how I that's how I practice by the way the last podcast I did with Joe on the JRE there's a few people that said I might have gone too far on the on the drink just so everyone knows Joe was beating my ass for about three hours on the pool table on these small-ass Pockets so I was just like drinking my sorrow away in about the time he was all warmed up and it had enough of me said let's podcast I'm like I thought we were podcast tomorrow he's like no let's just go now so they had that yeah that was a rough one you didn't win a single game that's hot that was rough that fucking tables rough man that tables rough it was but that's my practice table that's how I like that's like putting that Outdoorsman Atlas package looks like we're not taking you right to the tack and be like all right yeah

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Yeah a hundred twenty yards hit that sheep yep 37 degree angle good luck I guess let's find her exactly hopefully I hope you've learned something yeah it's you know there's levels just levels to everything and one of the things that I learned very early on when I became obsessed with martial arts was how important technique is yeah generate power to generate real power and to be to do things correctly can you name one field where that's not important I can't principles and no I can't comedy it's with everything like Joey Diaz when you see Joey on stage he's so wild and crazy and his comedy so it's so out there you think maybe there's no technique to it but he's one of the best technicians he knows exactly what exactly these two does but he's such an amazing technician because he has the best economy of words like here's a Joey Diaz joke that I love

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Giggles I like transvestites they cook they clean you can beat on them every once in a while the cops come who they gonna believe me or some dude away in a black eye those jokes that's a great bit and the the jokes come at you before you know where he's going yeah the cops come who are they gonna believe me are some do with a wig and a black eye that's a brilliant joke but it's that economy of words and there's a there's that's like a skill if when you see a comic and they have too many words before they get to the punch line either that's a new joke and they're trying to figure out how to say it which I do when I have new jokes I oftentimes go back and listen to Old recordings of a joke that I'm doing like three months later where I've got a down I'll go back and listen to how I started doing it three months ago and it's embarrassing it's terrible because it's so many extra words in it yeah the end during it's just yeah so there's technique to everything man everything but in martial arts

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the consequences of having poor technique or the most devastating because you're gonna get hit or you get any it's triangle there you get your arms snapped like all the technique in martial arts is super super critical it's everything do you think there's people that could just focus on five basic principles of like Jiu-Jitsu and just Merck and that's all they do but they do it so well they can just wait on it perfectly you there's a guy named John danaher who has done an amazing job and training these killers just incredible athletes who've been able to beat people with far more experience in them because John who was a philosophy major in college and just these are brilliant man like a true genius has figured out a way to cut to the Chase and figure out what is most important what am I trying to achieve and what are the barriers trying to

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this and then he's figured out a way to apply that to his students and it teaches students in this way that cuts the learning curve down radically and because of that he's developed these guys like Gary tonin or Gordon Ryan or Nikki Ryan he's like guys who have not been doing Jiu-Jitsu relatively haven't been doing Jiu-Jitsu near as long as their competitors but are far more effective yep so there seems some of his stuff yeah he's genius man he's genius but but it's that it's the analysis what it is is it's a superior intellect that applies that Superior intellect is something where people may not have been as focused and there's also a problem with jiu-jitsu where a lot of people just like to roll they just like to spar because it's fun you learn a couple techniques then you try to get each other because it's a it's a fun so fun thing to do but the best way to do it is to drill and

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really best way to do it is to drill with intent and understanding of each be like a very detailed comprehensive understanding of each position and what's the danger of not having in side control what's the danger of not having the underhook with and and see that's what for me that's what I feel like some of the places where I've gone and done Jiu-Jitsu they're not explaining so it's hard to absorb yeah because I think just based on my background I'm wanting to know the basics and the wise and the drills and I'm totally comfortable just being in the drills just being in the drills to where it's hard for me to want to learn something new because I know that I'm not doing what you told me before good enough for me to say okay I feel like I'm doing that without having to consciously really try hard at it yeah and I love that about sport where you you're able to just drill

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Lynn drill and drill until the subconscious absorbs it and it's like at that moment I feel like I've made a step yeah and now now drop something else in and and I call it selective cycling

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I cycle things in when I feel like I've absorbed something that I've already worked on it's like that with students you know and he said it before he goes a year in you tell me something were you just now tell me it and I look at you and I'm like a year ago I was doing this right and you knew it and I'm like well yeah of course I knew it but it wasn't relevant right you're ready now to know right right now you're ready to know and I almost feel like it's better at least for some people for me I feel like it would be that way because I would always be thinking back to why was I doing that why or I deep down I know I'm not doing it good enough like I'm not doing an efficient enough whereas sometimes I've gone with people and they're like we just roll because eventually you'll just start to realize why it's important and they're honestly the places where I've

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stop going is is those places because I'm like I can't I don't feel like I learned that way well one of the things that we do at Tenth Planet is Eddie breaks things down into paths and pass where people escape and then Pastor people counter like sometimes like you'll have a path where you will pass someone's guard moving to mount go for the armbar they defend the arm bar then they wind up on top then they pass and then they go into like an arm triangle or some other submission so the person who was initially attacking winds up being the person who gets submitted and you'll do this path and drill this path and you basically it's almost like a choreographed sequence of events that will take place in sparring like where you'll catch yourself in an armbar you defend that arm bar and then all of a sudden you find yourself inside control and then you find yourself submitting someone with this very same

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sequence of events and that just builds your understanding of the positions and understanding of like what can take place from those positions yeah like there's certain arm bars that you can catch while someone's going for a twister or while someone's in the truck or someone's in these various positions and until you're there you don't really know it so that to do it in like a very clear path so all the warm-ups that we do will be these these Pathways yeah and I think it's important to you know there's people that say they listen to me and they just say you know I just don't get it for whatever reason I don't like I don't like what Dudley's talking about I get it yeah I've gone too I've got witnesses whatever it's an ego thing I've gone to places I think sometimes but I've gone to places where for whatever reason I'm here in the same thing but I it's easier to take it in even though it seems like it's the same information it seems like there's

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teachers that are really good at teaching and there's some teachers that have been taught how to teach and it comes across that way and it's hard it's hard to soak it in what's also the personality that people are teaching you yes sometimes if you don't want to learn from somebody you don't like them yeah you don't like the way they're talking to maybe they're arrogant and maybe that that arrogance comes off as a he like you want to prove them wrong so just listening yeah yeah I get it well the last thing we should talk about is probably where we started this trip grilling because you and I are both passionate about cooking food yeah we eat what we kill right yeah and you were you were on a different Grille path completely where are you I mean I kept telling you like dude I don't know a lot about the strager but man it's like changed my life well I was doing things very hot yep and I was I had a Yoder that

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direct heat element and the direct heat aspect of it was you'd have these grill grates they'd put down and he would turn up the Flames very very very high and I would cook on these grill grates you put these grill marks yep on the on the meat it was drying out the meat though and until Chad Whiskey Bent barbecue yeah Chad War Chad Ward on the inside Hollow until he explained it to me the idea of the reverse sear cooking things low and slow and then searing them at the end I really didn't get it and then once I started cooking like that much oh okay you being I get mad when I go to a restaurant a good restaurant and they cook the steak that isn't that a bummer it's a bump talked about that the time dude what do we cook night one when Sharon I flew in do we cook Cowboy steaks Ribeyes Jonas bone-in Ribeyes we ate those at the house you've

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so you've got the new Ironwood it's like it's not the highest end trigger it's the next one in line yeah it looked for someone that's fine one and it's door dude well I had an Ironwood before and the Timberline excuse me at Timberline before and they wanted to give me the Ironwood because it's the newest version with the tattoo they hadn't had the two motor they didn't have the Timberline the new Timberline out yet but you know what man if you're on a budget it mean it's phenomenal I have no complaints I have the 650 I had the Timberline 1300 before but this Ironwood 650s amazing it's so good and I love the app one of the best things for me trager's the app and the fact that I can adjust the temperature of the grill on my phone yeah and then also I could find recipes like I cook lobster tails the other day and I got the recipe directly from my phone and I went to the grocery store

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I got the ingredients based on that and I cooked it on the trigger with my what did you tell me you cooked at I think you said you cook something only 225 just so you could use a super smoke well I've been doing that with a lot with roasts oh really yeah I've been doing that a lot I really like that super smoke man it just it does something to the I love that Smoky flavor that you get I think it's one of the best things about pellet grills and I think I've had a lot of pellet grills you know the trager's the best it's the best it's the best that maintaining temperature it gets to temperature better it's the easiest to work it does such stable I've had some complicated ones where they get cooked good but it's like yeah like read the manual figure out how to do things and triggers a straightforward but the but pellet grills without a doubt are my favorite way to cook food because you're just getting fire and wood There's No Nonsense yeah

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charcoal lighter fluid is no briquettes it's just wood and and fire it's a pellet that's repetitive yeah and then what they figured out how to do first of all it's so efficient the trigger uses so little pellets like I feel that Hopper once I go five six seven eight nine ten Cooks yeah just I mean it's a foot hot a foot deep of pellets yeah and it takes forever to run run through that we were eating those rib eyes at night we're like dude this is good as your editors know like I haven't gone anywhere I would say I need to know how this guy's doing this because it's better than what I'm making at home no they were definitely as good as anything I've ever got ever yeah and it's so easy to use and to do it at 225 and I love the fact that Trager has that probe and you can yeah that's real bad and you will get on with the app yeah Harry is has his first

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apartment right now and I don't and actually it's a summer he's got a he's a he's in a research project which is pretty cool but I don't think he realized that the school wasn't cooking food because he was in his apartment one night and he sent a text to share in this said campus is closed we can't get food there so we got to do our own and he goes do you think Dad could cook for us some nights and it says she's like you need to cook for him so I told him I said you want me to do I forgot what I said we did a brisket said I'll cook a brisket for your guys so I started it at night I literally woke up at 3:00 in the morning

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grab my phone next to my bed open it up told me that the brisket was it like 159 I got up went outside put the brisket in a big foil pan wrapped it all in there put in a little bit of juice sealed it all up bump the temp up to 275 put it back in the grill closed it and just set the alarm for when the brisket hit 204 like set the alarm on my app so the next morning at 9 a.m. Bing it goes off the briskets at 2:04 I took it out set it in a Yeti and just left it in there until the guys came home after their 10-mile run for that day and just sliced it and it was ready to go amazing it is perfect yeah it's the perfect combination of Technology you know my shit I ruined on a freaking propane webinar oh yeah oh yeah or charcoal grill yeah had a kamado you know one of those ceramic grills which is

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great it's great until you use a pellet grill yeah and then you know my wife is like get rid of this stupid thing like you don't even use it I'm like but it looks cool well it's like people that say you need to learn how to start a fire with like two sticks now yeah I can do it but I also can buy a Bic lighter the gas station when I'm filling up my car trying to send us to a really Nina I mean look it's a good survival skill yeah if you really do find yourself and I know some guys like to just bring like a flint and some some I got in Swami get it some people just lean Schneider likes the shooter traditional bow I don't get more power to them I don't get that but then other people say why are you shooting a bow and shoot a rifle right oh yeah yeah we're in that category damn it yeah it is an idiot's yeah well the argument for that is these damn deer these axes here I'm

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some Hunters this morning real nice guys and one of the guys he got his first big game animal today with a rifle so they were there for half an hour and they shot a deer yep we hunted for five days than me I struck out five days in a row until finally I connected on the Six-Day with that beautiful Buck but will dude we're on that we're on we're flashing on 11 Bara battery I'm afraid of it like you have a charger well do you have a thing that I have a plug-in but do we have a plug-in yeah well then close - gotta be it's gotta be some well Outlet here in figure that part out its paleness I don't see any they're quitters yeah let's just bail dammit think there's any power here well see it dude this was awesome hey my brother listen always always a good time hanging with you I love hunting with you thanks for and we'll see me about the archery hey the next time we see each other do you know who were going to be

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introducing archery to Bow Hunting whoo Jocko oh that's right that's right Chuckles first bow hunt is going to be archery elk in Utah oh amazing we have an awesome camp this is going to begrudge it that's going to be legit oh we'll be doing some podcast from their phone oh yeah you worry yeah I wonder if he'll still act is tough and cool as he yeah he I think he's gonna keep it together I think he'll probably be pretty stoic and just listen you guys and he's a good learner people at that position yeah they know how to learn he's a black belt in Jujitsu to you don't you don't get to be a black belt less you're a good learner yeah he might have to beat it into them but I don't think so I don't think so I think he's just going to listen would it be fun if he like missed his first one the elk just school disaster areas like where he thought he could just tough it out I would like to see him get a fucking ten ring that's what I want to say yeah I see it an elk drop the way my elk dropped it to home where you step for step

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I mean up the over that's what we all do this for you say it I say it cam says it yeah I don't know it was a it was a super fun I'm so thankful that that day that you couldn't go that I asked Sam to go with me because I was the first time that we've hunted together and I would say I mean we were both at you a for 12 years together never had hunted together and it was it was pretty cool once you get in a situation where especially a hunting situation where it's it's life or death yeah I mean for what you're pursuing the movements that you make and the choices you make they really Define they do Define you and whether people out there like me or don't like me or like a more don't like ham all I can say is when we were in the moments that we were in

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that's ultimate litmus test for me like a hunting situation for me is a litmus test for a person for you I think it's someone that like actually goes into a real fight right from a it's a lot of things it's comedy yeah I've oh yeah I've gotten become friends with someone that I watch them On Stage my co I can't be friends with you anymore really yes but then I got your terrible but then are there times where you're like this guy I don't really know but then when you see them you're like you know what like a hundred percent you got my respect however sent ya and that's where it was at you know I can I'm truly I'm I'm truly respectful and I'm honest when I say that yeah like you know I wouldn't add camo my podcast if I wouldn't have said that there is it was an eye-opening experience for me I had a very very good time with them and I think we both

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kind of found a different different appreciation for each other he's an awesome guy I love him to death so it's so cool for me to see you guys become friends yeah it really is it's amazing I think comedy and bowhunting have one thing in common is that it's so difficult to get to that Elite level then once you meet someone it's like how many of you how many are there I mean how many like legit Elite Bow Hunters are there even 500 on earth oh my God it would be way smaller same with Connie smaller wait wait a minute I think it's probably the same thing I mean I know I would offend people where people would be like what I'm not on that list but I think

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it's really small and and I'm talking on like not just a good level I'm talking on at least a level where if someone said listen dude you have you have like 10 cards to play and these cards every card has to hit who are the people on this card yeah it's small man small it's small it is that fair to say yes it's a hundred percent 100% Fair yeah I think it's there's many things in life and there's a lot of different personalities within those like people some people have different personalities some people get to the same place with a different path and sometimes it's abrasive sometimes they're the fan favorite but in the end like the people that are within that realm it's like the Big Brother house there's people that people are rooting for and there's people that people you know are like

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I don't know how that guy got there doesn't matter he's there yeah I right it's an old expression game recognizes game yeah yeah leave it at that my brother love you cheers brother all right everybody bye everybody see you

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