#1283 - Russell Brand

Apr 20, 2019

Russell Brand is an English comedian, actor, radio host, author, and activist. His new book “Mentors” is available now, and his podcast called “Under The Skin” is available on Luminary.

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The Joe Rogan Experience trained by day Joe Rogan podcast by night all day Russell why is it that when people start getting like super spiritual they start dressing like you you dress like a guru we circulate a memo so it's now time to stop wearing socks Stop Shaving and make eye contact for a bit too long uncomfortable I can't it's Terry how long you gonna go with the beard I mean that's that's like you're full-on like you're a yogi now I mean it's gone beyond Jesus and into Moses and lesser profits or Navy SEAL you're in that range to like it could be some wild man that's that's a mistake that wouldn't like if there was an assault course in front of us that have the potential for me being a Navy SEAL would start to break down I once went on a an assault course with some US Marines in that place near San Diego I can't remember the name of that base and climbing up that rope using

like muscles it was not good value and enjoy it I like the camaraderie and I really like I as I've written about and talked about quite a lot when I'm around very in very male environment I kind of really like it I really get offering it but I have to watch myself not getting too excitable it's even in this environment as a matter of fact I have to keep myself a little bit chilled out why would even want to do to you well I guess what it is is my early life I grew up mostly around my mum and I don't know brothers and sisters and stuff like that so my male role modeling occurred later in life and I think it probably relates this spiritual thing I think it meant that I was I'm very open to sort of spiritual experience meditative experience I didn't have a lot of grounding physical experiences or bodily experience is really till adolescence until sex and sexuality that's the first time I really got into the body didn't do Sports a kid didn't have like men going right this is what we do this how we shave this is how you treat people this is you know I didn't really get that

an education so now steal them around like soldiers UFC fires I go you know you know I do BJJ yeah merrily as a result of these conference where there's not confrontations conversations that somewhere so like there's a bit of me that's the guy gay excited about the analysis of it it's not homoerotic because that's doesn't happen to be the way that I roll out you just enjoy a little too much there's something about it and it may be what's bad about it what's bad about getting fired up nothing for me I accept like you know look my as you know my model for life is a sort of a 12-step model about watching my impulses my impulses have got me in a lot of trouble my impulses to take drugs my impulses to sleep around my like my impulses to even eat food I've got a ton of a tendency to get obsessive but you know you would probably argue that if you direct that energy correctly it can be kind of positive I think it can but I

with you that it can get out of control and I have similar impulses I have similar problems and I've just used discipline and hard work especially working out to try to mitigate it well that's why I pick up from you is that you early encounters with martial arts of meant that you've understood from a young age it seems to me physical discipline and I think that's a very important thing and I'm only learning that like now because I've had a like you have drugs then Fame they uncover a AAS and look said I've only just emerged from like this of the fog of that Madness I love how you've emerged though because it's very unique you view you've uniquely emerged authentically like you've this is who you really are like you're not putting on an act you found yourself which is like what everybody wants to do they want to find themselves I mean it never feels like a completed tasks right it now he's everyone's work in progress forever that's why but you are you like you are very comfortably you and you've found what

you you that's a lovely compliment to get from you Joe I appreciate that because what I think about is like you're very different type of person me there are things that in this world in these polemical times you and I would be supposed to I would say take adversarial stance is on I'm vegan now you love hunting but my personal philosophy is my morality and my spirituality is for me it's not something I go around inflicting on other people and telling them how they should behave I think I know enough now to know people are different people had different experiences and I don't let those things get in the way of how I evaluate other people and we should all be more like that I really I really believe that I mean there's so many people that I disagree with that I have fine conversations with I don't think there's anything wrong with that and I don't think that impulse to have antagonistic engagements with people that you disagree with is correct how else are we going to consolidate yeah it's like it's just like I'm only going to deal with people that see the world roughly how I do how are we going to form new tribes new alliance

new relationships new system to a time when evidently it feels to me at least Joe like things are breaking down yeah there's a lot of bitterness as Serbian confrontation and people don't want to talk to each other I mean I don't know how real that is of actual people I'm talking I suppose about how the media landscape seems to present information I don't know if that's true when you're when I'm around people I don't sense oh wow these guys are really tied up in brexit or Trump or whatever it doesn't seem that relevant Ordinary People it seems to me that people are still operating on a in a personal how are you today you look people are willing to get on like that I mean how we supposed to take these ideas on board it's almost too vast for us righty-o political ideas that we were asked to identify with right and then your everyday life it hardly ever affects you affects you very little in comparison to things that you ignore because you're concentrating on brexit are you concentrating on Trump or you're concentrating on whatever it is yeah the wall Build That Wall whatever it is yeah I start to wonder yeah whoo

easy that's involved in this stuff I start to what it's where I'm at now is cat are we even capable of belonging to groups units tribes of 300 million people or 60 million people with so many diverse ideas is this a time to look at federalism differently to start breaking down well you know the I exist within this tribe of people but I collaborate with all these other people I don't know how Municipal action gets done and I run an army and build roads if people are starting to operate in smaller units but I am thinking that we need to have a real sense of community and connection and we gotta let go of looking for ways to object-- to and judge other people's some sort of primary for way of forming our own identity no I completely agree and I think we're probably moving towards some sort of understanding that a lot of these boundaries and these clans of you know states and countries they were all established without our consent before we were born and

we're just we're a part of a system that we just were we didn't agree to it we just all of a sudden found ourselves in it and we're trying to make it fit us yeah that's right and there's aspects of it that are appealing you know likes of during a World Cup I've really sure you English and flower you know like I feel a genuine sense of connection and investment but if I'm being asked to live according to rules that don't affect me that affected except for what are you know that perfect me financially and don't speak to who I am as an individual then I'm like well what is this we spoke this is for my benefit yeah yeah when the inclination to form teams

and to root for your team and a root against other teams it's so it's so deep seated in us it's and it can cause so many unnecessary conflicts for no reason it's just it's so it's so escapable to it's some so if you can objectively analyze the way human beings behave and interact with each other and go well why do we do this let's just stop doing that it's just if we disagree on things how much are these disagreements actually affecting me on a daily basis not that much can we just communicate can't someone say what they think and I say what I think and we just decide like what makes sense and what doesn't make sense based on our own interpretations because not possible it seems like it's that's the direction we go ahead in I did as I know you have done a podcast with Candace Owens who like on the subject of you know individuals like when she says stuff like a people should get over slavery or it's as if it didn't happen I don't agree with that I feel like that has a massive social impact that is that those statistics

come incidents the number of people are certain ethnicities in prisons and in poverty or whatever for me that's not just a coincidence but my so I couldn't agree with more profoundly on according to Social criteria some very very important issues bonding in a personal level I thought she was absolutely delightful lots of funny and sweet and she's very young if you really stop and think this out what's going she's only 28 which is amazing right she's so much smarter than I was when I was 28 she sent me a lot more confident not was pretty here to point 28 or 29 same thing so when I was 29 I was a fucking moron okay and no one would ever listen to my opinions on anything and on the world stage yeah people are listening to her I mean she's she's testifying in front of Congress I mean she's so I caught her a lot of slack with some of the things that she's made like missteps on and I think sometimes when people say those things like people should get over slavery it's like

it's almost like you're saying things that you think other people want to hear more than you're saying things that are really rational so whether or not we should get over slavery sure slavery was over more than a hundred years ago but the repercussions of slavery The Echoes of slavery still exists and they exist in all these different southern states and cities and all these different neighborhoods that had been a part of systemic racism where they literally Force black people to live in certain areas and didn't even allow them to buy homes outside of those areas they made laws and those laws are in place in places like Baltimore and you know I had this guy Michael Wood on who was a police officer in the city of Baltimore and one of the more profound things that he said was that they found papers that were documenting crimes from the 1970s in Baltimore

and they were in the same area the same crimes that he was facing in the 2000s when he was a police officer so he was looking at this going what in the fuck like this is am I just a part of something that's never going to be fixed and never going to be changed and you know as he learned more about the city and the city's laws and how these these systems were set up to keep people in certain places and how the crime and the violence in the drugs is all just in this one concentrated area and it's always been there and no one does anything to change it you realize like wow this is a this is a crazy echo of a horrible past and that's what it is I had a couple of conversations that made me recognize how powerful systems and institutions are and their ability to maintain themselves it regardless of any individuals it seems like what happened there with the man you were chatting to is that he's an individual woke up my oh my God hold on a second and in some sort of weird grid and like I spoke to his fellow called Kinross who worked for the British

a mattock service at the time of 9/11 and was privy to confidential information about how that was handled on a military and geopolitical level and he said like he's come away from that thinking well these institutions function and in the totally corrupt way to pursue their own objectives this Ingenuity in this honestly is just part of the system and it was him that made me think about anarchism in a different way saying that people the assumption that people if they were not tightly governed with big government and huge control would go around murdering each other and raping each other simply not true that's one of the means by which the state continues to justify its existence people will behave better the closer they are to self-governing community self-governing community this it like and I was interesting that because he's talking from this is what I saw on the inside this is how I saw it was running like your cop friend there and like another person I spoke to that had been inside a system and then woken up with in it who was

yanis varoufakis he when Greece had that mad Revolution he was like one of the leaders of a party Stir It stir and for a minute it was like Sir Richard said we ain't paying back all those debts you screwed us financially you screwed Greece so he was there at the EU meetings telling like the German chancellery we're not pirate grease ain't going to repay those debts and he just said that the way that the system reasserted itself was magnificent to watch in a way and he said none of those individuals have any power except the power that that role gives them if you are the German Finance Minister you've got the power that a German Finance Minister has you can't step outside it and start going right listen why don't we do this and why don't we do that the system itself respect is beyond individual decisions you know it's a self-sustaining system it won't come up with ideas or support ideas that threaten it and that's why I continue to keep hearing I'm sure you're having similar conversations that if you are really interested in changing the world you have to participate in systems that are outside of it set up new ideas don't worry about trying to smash this one down with a hammer it will

trophy on its own and you becomes less and less relevant I think also change yourself and when you change yourself becomes evident to the people around you and if your change is beneficial and attractive people they gravitate towards that idea that you can improve yourself and you can you change the your perspective on things well that is the one area of your life where you've got some more for it in control and that's yeah that is what I'm about is like the way I can stop myself being like a watching pornography I can stop myself using drugs if I want to like you know with some support and that's what that this book here mentors which I talked about you in only four paragraph you know I mean it's not too it's not like a like literary fellatio it's a small nod of your light of your influence and impact I talked about how we have latent latent qualities within us that are sometimes hard to realize on on without support

but if you find a mentor in an area where you're looking to improve they can kind of energized awakened energies within you that on your own you wouldn't be able to use I had a really recent experience of it where I was sort of like freaking out about something I spoke to like a mentor of mine and like the way that he sort of spoke to me was like sort of aggressive like a sort of an aggressive that's not going to happen you are not afraid and like it's off it woke up the part of me that's feels that way that has that kind of I would say sort of male certainty a kind of grounded energy he was able to sort of like the wrecked at me and like in that moment in myself or bewildered I wasn't able to do it you know I needed to Resource it externally in a moment hmm so this is how I sort of feel like your individual Journey I'm interested in how because I'm guessing with your background in martial arts and stuff mentorship seems pretty much stitched into that you must continually be looking at someone learning from someone yeah trying to equal

M or whatever it is yeah the good part about that is you get good at learning things and you're good at listening you know as a martial art student you you don't just listen you listen very intently you bow you say sir you know I mean there's there's so much discipline involved in the the act of learning yeah and so much reverence and respect for people who know more than you and appreciation so that helped me with pretty much everything I ever wanted to learn I just would listen very intently I don't think I maybe I could figure it out better I will I'm very good at listening to people that are good at things that's interesting did you first get into like you know I picked up stuff over the various shows that of yours that I've listened to but would you say that your inaugural interest in martial arts came from kind of domestic distress and studying a difficult home life and the not a good relation with your stepdad am I right in saying that was there but it was it was awesome moving more than anything I mean I'm just tapped as a nice guy

but it was stepped out it's always a weird situation you know no one likes the dynamic of someone having sex with their mother I remember I've had similar feelings about my own step that was like drink I don't want to like now of course him in a bad way that's just what was really hard was moving a lot and running into bullies that was way harder than anything else so there was a time in your life where you felt very a presumably vulnerable yeah and not grounded didn't have any friends consoling moving in new neighborhoods meeting new people and you know and when you're a young boy or a teenage boy teenage boys are fucking dangerous yeah it was to the worst you see a group of them now I'm talking about my country for in 14 years old across the street yeah hello - well young boys are just they're always looking to impress each other and they have these if you want to find real toxic masculinity it exists in teenage boys yeah and it's most exaggerated in men the way it's

this mostly exaggerated in terms of the way the media talks about it but its purest form and teenage boys they get together and they start light and frogs on fire and doing shit they do things because they want to like one-up each other and they feed off of each other like what one boy would do is so different than what five boys would do what five boys would do who could be horrific but one boy would do on his own it's very rarely there because what you know you have to think about yourself and think about is this right and objectively analyze the way you're behaving like um yeah people wouldn't be proud of me if I did it this way when you're with five other boys in your all rambunctious and filled with testosterone and piss and vinegar you wind up doing crazy things this is I you know when I hear something like that it's difficult not to think that it's of course relative relative to ask the behavior of adolescent Mouse is reckless and crazy it's not impossible to conceive of an intelligent that would look at the behavior of adult human beings and think I might

God yeah all what's governing these people what principles are they using right now like what's the end goal to what are you trying to accomplish with your life with your existence with your time I think if there's a real concern about AI I think the real concern is AI is going to rationally analyze our behavior and our Reliance on emotions and all these human reward systems that we have built in the way it's affecting our society and the way it's affecting how we govern ourselves and how we behave amongst ourselves and it's going to think we're on fixable it's going to look at it like well this is they have too much monkey in them they have so much monkey instincts and monkey DNA but now they live in this rational modern world of you know 5G internet on your phone and satellite communication and 24/7 news cycle but yet they have these primate jeans officially intelligence a subject about which I know very little seems to me that

well on some level have to be derived from a particular aspect of human understanding and rationalism so we're representing one aspect of our nature and prioritizing it logic organization but what you refer to as sort of primitive and monkey ish for me it envelops and involves the most beautiful aspects of our nature I'm a little romantic about human beings still I still feel that I feel that one of the great problems we've had is that philosophically we have overvalued materialism rationalism and like in of knowing a little bit about philosophy primarily from that Bloody podcast that you and I tagged a minute ago before we was recording who yeah classifies this so like what why understand for that is that post-enlightenment we've started to prioritize rationalism so if you prioritize rationalism and organization which obviously has a lot to offer the organization of resources is incredibly in hugely important you forget

a huge part of the human experience is nothing to do with that the other thing we were chatting about before we went live was DMT now no artificial intelligence is going to understand that there is access to a realm of Consciousness that continually exists that doesn't seem to be bound by physical laws as we understand them and if the physical laws that we abide by our parochial and relevant only to this level of existence why are we allowing ideas resource from there to govern all of our systems you know it will even listen to you talk about DMT and you know I encountered these gestures I'd the jesters I went through this membrane into another realm and checking out Mike Tyson when he was on hearing no no no yeah like like it like that clear like you know I only I took acid when I was a teenager and even in very unhealthy can live healthy but but unbridled mad teenage boy conditions I

now I'm going to be there with a guy in a lab coat with a pen going well mr. Brian sit down look at these Rorschach tests instead of which I mean new cross in a bedsit dropping acid and staring at my own hands and recognizing oh my God I'm not me the very idea of me is a construct I'm just tuned in to a particular aspect I will build systems that are that are predicated on rationalism organization and I'm on that basis I can see why they would at some point yeah go all Skynet and annihilate ask but that is a small I believe the problem with our society is that the materialistic aspect of our nature is not the priority it's just one thing we should be doing cause we need good roads caused many hospitals schools food Etc but we need to find a way of honoring the sacred and I'm fascinated in the experiences you're a VIN in these psychedelic Explorations and how its influencing the rest of your life like how you're saying like how your how does it influence the rest of your decisions the way you see the world the way you see

relationships the way you see the vulnerable young man you were prior to building your own I say personal religion of martial art excellence in your chosen field of stand-up comedy how do you incorporate that vulnerable kid because I'm still very aware of the vulnerable person I was and like I'm going on a rant man laughs like when Kevin Hart was on here who I think is amazing and it was amazing on this I thought fucking l-like what have I got to offer the world when Kevin Hart has got this kind of force you don't come in the bubble and I was like my God this guy so positive what a role model while eyes got to offer and then I thought well like any of us what I've got to offer is who I am just who I am and then vulnerable flawed human being the still feels connected to the kid I was when I didn't feel good enough I still feel that I can walk in a room and feel that I also know that that's that's not real because I've had spiritual experiences hallucinogenic experiences that make me feel that the relationships we should be building half

honor that we are both of we are vulnerable and flawed but also capable of greatness there has to be room for all of this and I feel that part of what we're doing and part of why we're experiencing such superficial polarity in politics and culture is because we're not acknowledging that underneath this surface activity of left right left right and you know from Sam Harris them little experiments you stick garbage in front of a pest I'm on their they become Republican pretty quickly or you know you scare people they become less Democratic you know I think all that stuff is pretty superficial and at depth in that Realm of the jesters and the membrane of psychedelia we have access to Oneness and that should be what's influencing the way we set up our tribes our systems and our relationships yeah I think when a guy like Kevin Hart shows you what a positive and motivational impact one person can have just with his words and his deeds and the way he lives his life he's so inspirational that you realize that that that is possible that you can share that energy

Jay and that you can have these experiences with people where they literally do actually they actually uplift you like I was uplifted by his conversation I felt like wow that guy is so positive what a great way to look at the life that we're living and the more people do that the better and when someone like that does spread a positive message you know and obviously he's got he's materialistic as well he's got a bunch of cars in a big house and he makes a lot of money and he does a lot of movies but what he's spreading is this very motivational very positive message and that affects people in a very positive way to and all that left right shit and all this the all the battles that we have politically and ideologically back and forth and all the negative Venom that people spray at each other at the end of the day this is not benefiting anyone unless you're fighting some major demon that the world needs to conquer begin most of the most of it's not

most of it is like finding demons out of an Oculus things you know and I think when you talk about what what you have to offer what you have to offer is that you are you that you have this unique perspective you you can affect the way people view their own journey in life because you've been so introspective and so aware of your own pros and cons in terms of your past Behavior your current behavior and who you are now and who you used to be all that stuff is fuel for people because they can relate the hear it I mean maybe they cannot relate to being a movie star and being this famous guy and the strut but they can relate to the humanity of your struggle they put themselves in your position like what must that have been like and look at this guy who's made these conscious decisions to not be like that anymore he dresses like a homeless person with the crazy beard that's the real tight hum information dress like you live out of doors yeah just like you're a homeless guy in Oregon

if eclis their people respect that yeah it's like a dark colors you know rains a lot yeah I get it I get the reference I understand American culture John Logan yeah so um hey can I do some more like yeah I'm okay tell me what it's called what is this book is called mentors and actually I really like I read it bits of it again because I knew I was coming here and I think it's actually pretty good like I wrote quite a lot about Brazilian jiu-jitsu I really love it huh yeah do my writing is not from you'll understand not from a technical perspective I'm not saying this is what I've got to say on open guard transition I'm talking about how the psychological impact that it's had on me and also in there about like the protocols of going to a group which as a beginner are very relevant like you touched on how ritualised it is I've got a hunch that the more we emulate and connect to original ways of human behavior whether that's diet tree or hierarchies or

organization of groups I feel that we will feel a sense of Greater connection now the thing I got from going in BJJ class is Genesis where I go in back in England is like that all the white belts get changed at one end of the room the purple belts and above get changed at the other end of the room which coincidentally or not is where the control for the timer is and the control for the music is and where the kit is that's all that that rooms and the rooms are all the control is that end that it begins with sort of dancing around in a circle doing all of those various exercises now lifting these now do the shrimp in and that kind of stuff it's the lower belt shouldn't invite a higher belt Spar or roll you know it's that and like the as you say the amount of respect the Bowing the handshaking at the end of it it's so soft it provides such a safe environment in which to deal with the Primal I can see why it's valuable and if they like it you know I should have been taught that shit when I was

1413 like is a mandatorily so that I didn't come across it like you know you're not going to be setting fire to fields and allotments and putting frogs on fireworks if you've got a way of dealing with that Primal energy yeah when when it's coming some people they don't understand that think that you should suppress it somehow you should just ignore it or suppress it they don't understand that one man it really over a biological male it really needs to be tackled head-on I mean you really really need to and embrace what it is to be a physical mail and it frees you in a lot of ways do you think this might be a comparable moment to in the 1960s when there was a sort of a sense of sexual repression versus sexual free laughs you know the images of Woodstock and flowers in their hair and smoking joints and having sort of sex outdoors in mud or possibly wheat that that that this time of like a kind of an anger about male nurse you know and maleness may know as you said it might be a biological male but it could be the energy of I don't know

a whatever these like you know as in grammar male and female relate to certain words as in French grammar where I don't know cat is female and dog is now I don't know the system I don't speak French but I'm saying that these we have labeled these energies and it does seem that that there is a particular what I want to say a condemnation of Mal energy a couple do you think you can comes from a misunderstanding yeah and I also think it comes from a big generalization to yeah it's easy to do right and if you're a woman who's had negative experiences with man maybe you've dated men that have been physically abusive or maybe known men that have been physically abusive and you're around that and you just it's very convenient and very easy to just generalize and decide that all men are negative and masculine energy is negative and especially white males and if you say that you'll get props online people go yes girl yes clap clap clap people get excited but those are also people that are short-sighted like you want to make as many people your allies you can you want to make as many people your friend as you can

and you have to understand that there's some people that are just wired different than you there's some there's some girly girls and there's some really feminine men and then there's a masculine man and then end it but everybody is okay as long as they respect you and they're kind to each other but the problem is we associate certain behaviors and characteristics with either negativity or Hedonism or toxic masculinity or someone being a bitch as a man and that's these generalizations are often way more harmful and just it's just too convenient and easy and lazy yeah there is no simple way and I when I think about my own attitudes in this area there is a degree of complexity because I've got young daughters I've got a two-year-old and a one-year-old right and there you know daughters so like but when the other day because I'm staying in Los Angeles Gabby she's Mexican she used to be when I first moved out here and lived my Entourage lifestyle she used to look after the house and she used to think I call my baby

my baby she loved me so and I'd like I'll take a matriarchal figure wherever I can find one and Gabby used to look after me she adored me and stuff I stayed friends with yesterday she came around she bought like like what I can only describe as a bikini for like my baby daughter like that what a two-year-old that doesn't need like a bikini like top and I scuse me burping on the mic I like it for me I thought I don't want to put my daughter in that that sort of in a way that's right realizing the like that child and like every so and also a lot of the time with my daughter I don't like with my wife particularly our first child I'm like don't dress her up in little dresses and stuff because she won't be out of like run around and I thought my God I'm like that's not that different from like the cliche of a male parent that wanted a son and I didn't want to sign up you know particularly love this kit I love this kid regarding you know it doesn't mean I'd love to having the door the door her but like I am aware that these things have like dress a child this way dress a girl this way are constructs

what we were talking about again before about Michelle Foucault we got a lot done before we went live man but we moved around Michel Foucault what he exposes a lot is that there and Deluge dual Gilda lose is that a lot of things that we take for granted as being normal or actually constructs and when I say a child's bikini I think there's no reason for any child of any sex or gender to be wearing a bloody bikini so a child with tits is a terrifying idea for all but a very small and terrifying percentage of the population so like that is an example of the external feminization of a childlike so when there's an argument a feminist argument of you know gender is a contract I can see oh yeah to a point is there is there are construct kinda I like my opinion is you can't argue with Biology chromosomes are doing what they're doing in the Physical Realm but like I you know like have been a father to a daughter has made me feel like I don't obviously and I know you have daughters or at least they thought three three dollars

like like I'm certainly very aware of I don't want to push them down some culturally prescribed Avenue whether it's about their dress their sexuality or anything so I've got you know where do I where am I on that dial you know yeah you gotta just not put any pressure on them and let them enjoy their life and let them find their path that's with its wits weird right it's like I see people there you know they're getting their their daughters to dress very very feminine little mini skirts and stuff and they're five years old and high-heeled shoes I've seen little kids with high heel shoes it seems very strange to me I don't like it yeah what so you know about for me that is being sourced from like can't we can extrapolate that to well then why should a 20 year old woman wear high heels I mean I've read cultural analysis I'm sure you have a reliable the lipstick is to emphasize the lips because it's redolent of the vagina the high heels is to make a woman seem more vulnerable and to accentuate aspects of body shape now this can be

you know seen as evidence of the influence of patriarchy know that there's loads of areas where I feel like why are we looking for shit to argue about in this area we're just human beings most of us the most important people in our life of the earth of the different different gender or sex to us you know why we live in four arguments but I can you can see the influence of cultural forces that are you know not neutral yeah you certainly can but I think it should be up to the choice of the person once they're an adult the real problem is putting pressure on them to dress one way or another and not letting them find their place but if a woman becomes you know whatever age you decide and she wants to wear high heels and a skirt because she likes the way it looks like there's nothing wrong with that either and I are are the demonization of sexuality is also a problem you know the yeah he it is almost as much of a problem as people who will pray upon vulnerable people the people people that think there's something wrong with being sexually attractive or something wrong with

desirable or wanting to be desirable something wrong with that either and that kind of surprised ssion the suppression of the these feelings that you have in this desire that you have is very unhealthy as well it's a normal thing to want to be sexual it's a normal thing to want to look good if a girl looks good in a skirt skirt and high heels and she likes to dress like that who the fuck is anyone to say it is anything wrong with that there's nothing wrong with it it's if that's what she likes that's fine which isn't which interesting to me is particularly in really Progressive ideology they look down upon women who wear short skirts and high heels and a lot of makeup and you know open tops that show their boobs because they think that it's they're playing into the patriarchy or that they're somehow or another falling into these gender traps but yet they celebrate that in transgender people they celebrate that and trans men that transition to women and then they

really doll it up then they'll like you go girl then they're celebrating the fact that this person is embracing these traditional aspects of Womanhood likely you see that a lot with you know people that are celebrating trans women I find very fascinating the Aesthetics of the what would be perhaps could be referred to as sexualized dress or like it I suppose in males expression expressive or garish clothing jewelry tattoos in I understand in British culture that these are often indicators of class that like that it's typically the lower down the cloak class structure you are the more likely you are to dress in a way that is exhibit if or like you know women from a blue-collar background dress in ways that are exposing a revealing men have Larry cars and lots of tattoos and jewelry expressive ways of demonstrating wealth the higher you go up the class the more subtle the more dress down you know labels or that sliced

so in British culture there's a different system of like a different system for referencing it I wonder how that works in American culture with it's sort of like it's evident and much discuss racial divisions let certain things it seems like a subtle way of condemning particular types of Womanhood that may not just be sourced from dress this way for the male gaze it can also be a way of saying dressing that weighs an indication of a lower class background or of a particular type of ethnicity if they could be there but there's also the reality of males and females is there's a lot of fucking jealous people and there's a lot of women that just don't have the type of physical body that looks good in a short skirt with high heels and you know a low-cut shirt and they don't like when they see it in other women because they don't they're not comfortable with their own bodies there that there's a reality of that mean women get as much or more hate from women as they ever do for men and particularly if women find you to be

to overtly sexual with the way you dress or behave that you are you're you know you're damaging male-female relationships you're damaging the dynamic particular office Dynamics there's one girl in the office that likes to Tramp it up you know and cheese and all the guys are paying attention to our women will get mad at her I did an interview while ago where so talked about like parent in our kids me and my wife how we parent our kids and I said like you know cause I have to be honest my wife is much the more dominant parent she's much more practical than I am right and like stuff that got that got like really negatively written about people say things like oh she changes More Diapers than I do and stuff right let's not let's not like I don't change diapers away that's just my wife you know regardless of our respective Sexes is the more efficient dominant parent she's much more likely with like with me if my daughter goes I want that chocolate the answer to from is okay all right you know like a like I can't bear to see the

resistance the emotional explosion I concede much too early I tap out very quickly with with my two-year-old my life is much more no that's played a long game that's bring up a child that's not governed by impulses like you and I spoke in fact that Gap or matter that exponent diction he's amazing and he says because of your own anxiety and pain from your own childhood with no disrespect to my magnificent parents like you can't handle seeing your kids suffer so you like straight away you bail and do what she wants and stuff now they have like so there's so much complexity in the reality of our personal little domestic relationship I'm certainly will not saying and everyone else should run their household in that manner as well and so help me God any man that changes it up you know but the waves reported is like that's what happens I think in modern media is they change what you say then you have to defend what they said you sit and you know that ain't what I meant I'd like you know I'm not saying that that because my wife is a woman she should take more domestic getting I'm just saying that in our household she seems to have a set of attributes and characteristics

that make her take control of that aspect of parenting and it's like the desire to judge condemn an object is the priority as opposed to yeah no one's looking to go on as who cares or what you know what's also that they're doing it publicly so they're doing it mostly mean if you're either reading comments or you're reading articles and if you reading articles they're just looking for something to be upset about their watch you and they'll say okay is this a viable Target yes we got confirmation what he said about changing diapers or his wife being a better parent is a viable Target let's go after them and then they just formulate some bullshit argument about who you really are based on what might have been a throwaway or a concession to your wife or even just a compliment to your wives of kingdom and self-deprecating Kirsten was yeah but it doesn't people not they're not looking at things rationally they're just looking at Targets spit particularly people that write articles you know what's the best article it's got to be negative like one of the things that came out of all this Facebook algorithm stuff is

find out that Facebook realize somewhere early on that the way to encourage engagement is to get people upset they get way more engaged and they go back and forth and inner interact with these posts way more if they're upset then they do if they agree with it if they agree with it it might give it a like or thumbs up and say hey that's great and that's it that's where it ends but if you know someone's talking about you know we shouldn't build the wall we should let everyone in and you put that on some fucking Trump guys page and they it's crazy mean you will get thousands and thousands and thousands of interactions and so Facebook realized that the way to keep people and you know they could claim that that it's an algorithm the algorithm just supports whatever the people are really interested in but what they're interested in is conflict that demonstrates my earlier point which I made up on the spot they're AI is not a neutral thing it is resource from Human perspectives and because that is a type of AI for now is not as complex as right now we're going to experience and I

even imagine but what I'm saying is it's still die I want to say resource from a human from a human perspective and yes of course we are evolved to respond more strongly to negativity and positivity for loads of reasons and I think that's where we can stitch back to what we were saying about taking personal responsibility for who you are like that none of us after sit on social media going fuck you fuck you up none of us have to do that we can try and resolve though I respect that some people don't have any other outlets they don't have the Privileges I have of being outgoing support groups where people openly talk about this is the ways that I felt inferior today this is the ways that I'm trying to become a better man and a better father and a better coworker you know like a lot of people aren't afforded those environments and probably the best shot they got is having a go at someone online and those people you know in a way deserve love and sympathy but until we on some level recognize that we can all our own behaviors we can all our own Consciousness I don't lie don't

see how there's going to be well at least then we can create a Terrain upon which a better better systems can start to flourish do you read comments no I actually like I'm too sensitive I can just about manage to listen to people's replies to my conversation like you know like sort of like yeah I don't go on to like I have like I work with someone who does my social media and like she gives me stuff like how I respond to these things put some output on that because I don't I don't want to engage with that I don't wear like walk up and down any Street knocking on the door go and do you like me do you like me do you like me I don't a deal with people's responses and various conditions well it's also much like the articles with the way people get a response out of you or the way that people to get your reaction is to say something really negative you look at some sometimes if people are not that Savvy when it comes to social media one things that one of the things that you'll notice is they'll interact and I've been guilty of this in the past before I sort of realized what I was doing you would

only responding negative things like people are arguing with people meanwhile people are saying nice things to you and you ignore them yeah it's because you don't you don't at a certain level you don't have the physical time it doesn't exist to respond to everyone it's not possible you just if you get 13 thousand comments on one of your posts how the fuck does anyone have time to respond 13,000 people you can't and then you have email and you have Twitter and Facebook and Instagram and just there's no way it's there's not enough time in this world so you would penetrate would have responded to things that cause them more visceral saw someone saying something was untrue of like fuck you that's not true but then I realize like what do you say why yeah doing like this is a new thing for people there's never been a time where people have had this instantaneous interaction with people unfiltered on moderated globally yeah it's very strange to be able to do that and to be able to go back and forth and just

to be able to give your comments on things to be able to talk about things it's very addictive to people yeah that's right and that's why I'm very cautious with here I have to sort of set my life out like I'm essentially a monk in a marriage that's basically I'd leave get up meditate do yoga do exercises do things that are positive for you watch the way that you're thinking I'm interested in where again in with your own do you feel connected to the person you were as an adolescent did you notice it in your own parent in do you notice it in the type of choices you make because the image I have of you from the outside is like that you have literally built something for yourself you operate within it and you are quite protected and you are independent and not forced to deal with too many negative outside influences but in unavoidable dynamics that are necessary Dynamics like you know as a father and dealing with colleagues and stuff like that do you experience a lot of tension anxiety what has happened to

that guy do you feel that you have transcended that because I do in my own life I feel like yeah laughter I'm not the Adolescent boy I was I've like you know I've learned from that and I still in a very sort of cod psychological way yeah when I'm doing jabir oh that's their Jeep BJJ classes I'm doing over here with Professor Ricardo will he's an amazing guy like what when I'm when I'm doing those classes I have a cut a sense of fathering my child self of my you know cuz I weren't doing those kind of things when I was a kid and that's all right Russell we're just in a BJJ class just relax it's a panic don't impress anybody right just do the if you don't know just ask well I've got a voice in myself because I chatter Tony Robbins you know he's like another obviously high-achieving guy who I admire and respect the great deal and like when he talks he does like these cold plunge his and he says before I get in that plant right you're getting in that fucking punch like he took us my God I don't talk to myself like I like right Russell we're gonna get in the cold plunge we going to let you know but I have to talk to myself gently what are you doing with that aspect of yourself do you still have a relationship with it how is it like when you're doing all this

psychedelic cosmonautics explorations of the psyche are you not in countering aspects of yourself that are an undeveloped unaddressed there's always going to be unaddressed and undeveloped aspects of yourself but I'm very very very different to who I was when I was a young boy I mean I'm not a hundred percent self-actualize I don't think anybody is but I'm just a totally different human being I remember it but I remember it with humor like I remember laughs oh my god wow so silly I was so weird back then and you know with life experience and developing confidence and understanding of who you are and why you had those feelings and why you were insecure and why he had so much self-doubt martial arts helped me with with that tremendously because it was the first thing that I ever did where I didn't feel like a loser so the first thing that I ever did where people like respected me and they liked me for it you know I'm like wow this is like something is it was a feeling that I was completely unused to in the 14th

these years of my life all of a sudden there was this this feeling that I was unusual I was unique I was special wow yeah I was appreciated they were good at quick yeah I was I had a natural inclination towards it and I was obsessed with it so obsessed with it so I was training every day all day long and then my instructor recognized it really early on so he allowed me to train there for free and just I would teach classes and teaching classes helped me a lot as well because when you teaching you breaking down techniques and your you when you're showing someone how to do it you really cementing those Pathways in your own mind yeah yeah that's right that must be an important step on the road to Mastery I see that clip where Eddie Bravo gave you your black belt and he were very moved by that like so for me that like moments like that it must connect you to the beginning of the journey yeah that does yeah for sure and would still you know the Journey of Jiu-Jitsu is a fascinating

Because unless you're someone who's you know Asolo Ribeiro or Jacques Machado or just a true Master who's dedicated their entire life to it the journey so long it's so long it's like if you're a guy who runs you like to run I like to run a mile three or four days a week no big deal but then you know your next-door neighbor's an ultramarathon Runner is preparing for the Moab 240 where he's going to run 240 miles you're just you're never going to catch up the same amount of time so you should always defer to that person when you have questions about running and that's how it is with jiu-jitsu like is you know yeah I'm a black belt but I'm not a black belt like Jacques Machado is a black belt is that there's levels to even to that so I always have questions so the journey is never over it's always long there's always a better way to get out of an arm bar or a better way to set up a triangle or whatever it is there's the one of the beautiful things about dg2 is that it's so complex there's so many variables there's so many situations and interactions and exchanges and entries and defenses and

and way to chain moves together and the correct way to set something up to three steps ahead to know that if you grab the lapel this way the guys going to try to shake it off that way and that exposes this which exposes that and then the next defense will expose this and then you keep going and going and going and going until you get them it's so beautiful to watch that because it's like as if there's a pre-existing net or grid of in a related signs that will work together and like as a white belt I've got three stripes now I was like so I was thanks I was really hoping that by the time I came back on here I'd have a blue belt and that could be closing in on it I'm gonna train I'm training three times a week private and I'm attending to classes and what I've done that's great thanks a lot and was a significant step for me is like now in the classes when I'm sparring people I don't try just in the handshake to manipulate them into going easy so lovelies Decor Ralph we go then we try to manipulate people yeah like justice

a gesture or something like that right she's trying to take it easy on me come on I don't hurt me come on let's go avoid big people yeah sometimes like I try and stay down that white belt ended a room but like now the more I do it like the more they coax me up their great big giant men like a like there's a guide I got like the soft ones up our it like the hard end Purple belt above they've pulled Busby and that there's people like their hands and their feet look different to my hands and feet as different than their hands and feet are as different from mine as mine are to my daughter's right and I thought how am I supposed to ever do anything which is people like hard water like drowning in hard water the way they move and fold around me I don't like it was supposed to do my breathing goes but but the thing is with other white belt is that what I feel is like there is my ego comes back in because there's a flat no I should begin something the first time I got choked out by another white belt

I felt like I went into a room I'd not been in since I was 16 getting my ass kicked in in bus stops you know and stuff like that so I felt like I was quiet for 24 hours just sitting and reflecting on our shit and that just because this is a combat sport this happens you're going to experience by right so it doesn't mean I'm a bad person that I've failed I know you're gonna have to get used to that yeah going to be humiliation you get used to defeat but it's that humbling is very good for you you know I mean I don't know how many times I've been tapped out my life but it's probably more than a thousand probably probably thousands you know and that yeah and there you sit there while I tell you about Jiu-Jitsu and the other and the other thing that's been good about it it's like when it is the other way like I remember like a guy that was a big guy on top of me and like I was he he was in Mount right and I like he won't actually applying a submission but they're just the sheer discomfort of having someone there their body

sweat their hair their abdomen their reproductive organs of the digestive system feces in their bow I just nearly catatonic that but then he went to move to get on Barneveld hang on a second there's a moment and I managed to escape from that and like the amount of energy that that release of fuck you I win that's hilarious yeah it's a weary man is fighting feeling it's also very satisfying to defend against something that someone used to catch you with like say if someone's a really good at taking your back truck to a couple times and then one time they take your back but you defend and you get out you like are cut out yeah there's an escape I can make this I'm getting better I love being in the cave that meant will spice because what my technique was oh I'm not good at that never bother trying I'm not good at that kind of stuff never bother trying so for me at this stage in my life but go and do something I'm not

- there's with other men that's competitive the involves so much vulnerability failure and learning I'm thinking well you've got growing you've got to be growing so you're doing stuff that you never would have done before even turning up at a new place like I'm doing here in LA and making those new relationships and doing that you know it's amazing for me another thing I into is the Integrity of it right but was Chris clear black belt under Roger Gracie writing UK my teacher like if he gave me a blue belt that would look good man it would be videoed it would I would simply be everywhere Russell Brand God Bluebell this shit Master but no he doesn't do it out of integrity and respect for that you know it means more to him evidently than a simply the act of kindness did you know so lightly what is nice to belong to something that has protected and valuable system she did say to me you keep going by the end of the year Bluebell I think but like you know it's not dished out like this it's nice to know that there's some kind of order an area where celebrity manipulation charm human and of those things

redundant overdone know in Jiu-Jitsu it's very protected anyone that gives out a bad belt it's very bad for their integrity it's the the school would lose face so badly in the community and you meet someone who's a Hicks and Gracie brown belt that motherfucker is a Hicks and Gracie brown belt he's as legit as they get they don't get any more legit like if you got to that point of hicks and Gracie gives you a brown belt it's irrefutable and that's how it should be and it's a beautiful thing about the art form is that it has this self-correcting sort of aspect to it that when you roll when you spar with each other it your ability or lack of is exposed and there's no other way around it yeah that's good to know avoid that yeah you go with that reality but you'll be better you know you're you're a fit guy or a healthy guy if you just keep going get off that fucking vegan diet and keep going I watched a documentary

called what the hell have you seen it like yeah it's filled with a lot of propaganda propaganda damn those guys again like the Nazis I remember them it's they used a lot of discredited studies and there's a lot of epidemiology studies that will connect things that Camille she's at what does that mean like an epidemic well you know we could pull up what the actual it's about time Jamie pulled something happens in reality but the way I would describe it is they would do these studies and essentially it would be they would they would ask you what you eat on a daily basis how often do you eat meat how and it's basically a survey and in that survey they would say well there's a direct correlation between people that eat meat and diabetes so let's pull up the definition I see but the problem is what is causing here a branch of medicine which deals with incidents distribution and possible control of diseases and other factors relating to health so when they're when they're dealing with in

students write their dealing with how often do you eat red meat how often do you eat this how often you eat that and then they find oh well there's more instances of diabetes and people that eat meat okay but is it people that eat meat and vegetables or is it people that eat meat and vegetables and Diet Coke and and sugary sodas and ice cream and French fries and how are they eating their meat are they eating cheeseburgers for some bullshit fast food place are they eating grass fed steak are they eating grass fed steak and vegetables and there's very little evidence that shows there's anything wrong with eating meat if you follow a normal healthy what they would call a primal diet eating cut out all the grains cut on all the sugar cut out all the bullshit eat vegetables and meat and there's almost nothing I mean unless you have some very unusual rare condition where you're either allergic to meet or you have some very strange digestive system where you fought you have allergies to it or you have real

I'm suggesting in or you have real problems with high cholesterol foods which is very rare as well most of what you're getting is vegan propaganda people that want other people to be convinced that the way that they're living is the correct way and that eating meat is physically bad for you and it's causing all these harms what's causing all the harm for people physically is the modern American diet and that's been pretty established yes that's right and there are clear ethical reasons to be vegan in the it takes you out of the exploitation of animals but that documentary what the hell that I watched was like you know not be vegetarian for years and this light and I've gone back and forth to veganism because I feel God Jesus Christ man there's enough things in my life I'm not doing without not being out I have an egg without feeling with you whatever pasture-raised eggs if you get them from a good Farm the chickens are just hanging out at chickens in my garden I am not confident in these animals in the wild well one by one slowly mud dogs eliminate in her life I lost nine of them to coyotes just last month maybe two months ago that's a pretty heavy so

a heavy toll yeah well we had a fire out here and the chicken coop burnt down we got a smaller Chicken Coop and the coyotes figured out how to get into it when we're at home and came home to just feathers everywhere it was disgusting eyes brutal that they're brutal little monsters it's coyotes yeah yeah you know I'm governable the other reason why I wouldn't have rats everywhere to all right so yeah it's the circle of life on King was right so like hey though the thing that about that vegan documentary mate is that it it tuned in to my pre-existing belief when it said stuff like oh The Diabetes Association they are funded by these meat and dairy organizations and these pharmaceutical companies the cancer organization similarly accepts donations from these organizations and it made me recognize like my pre-existing idea that I come to it with is you know like that whole pyramid of these are the things you should eat bread and milk tea lady just with the figs it was easy and cheap to produce and that were profitable they used to think that they really did used to think that

within grains are the most important thing the think they felt that I think they did I think they thought it was it was filling and it provided energy and I don't think they understood well there was no talk of gluten intolerance When We Were Young they didn't exist and there was no understanding of excess carbs and excess carbs leads to excess body weight and it makes it makes you store fat people didn't think about it that way they didn't understand there was the thing about nutrition is in nutrition science is a it's a body of knowledge that's constantly added to yeah I'm fact perhaps most things all who knows what misapprehensions and ignorance we Toil and that will be revealed to us do you do any I feel like I've heard you talk about hormone stuff yeah yeah I do hormone replacement to what type of things testosterone and human growth hormone you have to give yourself a Japanese yeah in the thigh thigh you won't do the ourselves for Pride that's from mrs. Rogan

it's eyes right there it's easy to grab when you're running back to putting your assets like an awkward to farmable yeah but they also have taking whole ICU taking growth hormone yeah you not noticed any negative side-effects or in and get your blood monitored you know when you when you're doing something like that this isn't this is also if you're a person that has a dict of problems addiction problems which I don't necessarily have them as much with substances what do you have them with well you saw with video games you got here the video game problem that I have ju frantic you'll notice that at dark room you and your party wait pie-eyed and baffled by the real world fun to martial arts I've been addicted to martial arts I've been addicted to playing pool I get addicted to getting good at things I get very addicted to things if there's something that I get obsessed with like Jiu-Jitsu or whatever it is I can obsessed and that's all I think about all day long I just had I just you know it's not healthy but with

hormones you want to make sure that you don't overdose yourself you want to make sure that you stay within a very narrow range where your you know your you have what are the healthy levels of a person that's in there you know late 20s that's really what you want you don't want to have hyper human levels which some people do do hyper human you're going to create button not ecosystem where you're fucking up your body man you're just jolting yourself with all this extra shit we about to take this sweet lady thyroid is that part of your system yeah I have I take Armor Thyroid it's actually made from pigs thyroids Jemaine pigs fibroids now but hold on wait how was happened to the pig dead they're long gone are not so struggling over lack of thyroid teetering about all emasculated well this is like so yeah I'm interested in this hormone stuff I'm interested in that but you know me I've got to be very very cautious

some about Moodle or in yeah stuff yeah but if you have other exercise regiment that you're talking about I don't think you're gonna have got a kid that Bluebell I'm going to do what it takes man yeah bring me the pillow help shocked that thyroid out of it directly you should eat eggs though man you really should you should eat you should eat some animal protein without I mean if you oppose the moral aspect of killing an animal which I totally understand and appreciate and that's what led me to become a hunter in the first places that I was really uncomfortable watching these animal rights videos of factory farming I thought it was disgusting I'm like I don't want to participate in this yeah it's reprehensible hunting is a different thing man to me hunting is this intense it's very spiritual in a way people don't get it because they see you celebrating when it's over because it's very very very difficult to close in on a wild animal you're hunting mostly elk well Alex my favorite for two reasons one it's very delicious super nutritious also if I shoot one L guy could eat it for like eight months

what is reasonable so yeah freezing them breathing so you're out stalking an elk on the plains where are you like near where you live you just go out are you traveling by trapping how do you follow them you know we do travel and bikes if you are whitetail hunt a lot of times you would go into the woods with bikes because they don't leave a scent the way your feet do hmm you know and animals don't associate the sound of a bike the way they associate it with like the sound of stepping bipedal hominids zapping to have evolved real bipedal yeah they see you on a bike then leaving freaked out as much delightful never seen that before that my brain what are these things yeah elk are they like herd animals you see like a herd of yeah yeah she heard of them and try to figure out which way the winds blowing you try to get close to them is this a video of us yeah this is us from but beautiful place I mean I see the harmony of nature yeah that's an elk now the thing is with me I see that elk there and I sort of feel like a sort of I've watched too much Disney

I'm you know like I see that elk and I feel like I'm Bambi literally you know like I don't have it it's early in the morning you look yeah tired not tired maybe late afternoon actually come on it was late afternoon yeah like say like I from that position I couldn't be like I would love the game of being able to own because actually I've had to go down gun ranges it turns out and pretty good shot and it's nice to see that thing come back with like holes around its abdomen and it said I think satisfied there you've been dealt with paper man but but like the elk I couldn't I've got too much empathy in me that I couldn't deal with the feeling of after it was yeah sure I like it they like almost thinking about it the sentimentality of it I've sentimentalized it now you know at least I had don't eat me and stuff like that so it's not like I have all those feelings of but can handle it in a packaged portioned off way yeah it's just I feel too much like oh that creature so what in your head when you're doing it when you're pulling the trigger you're not

what's going on in your mind well you only are hunting these mature animals that have already passed on their genes you also are recognizing that if you're not killing these things they're not it's not like they're going to live forever you know they are they live a short life a short life with a very violent death it's either wolves or mountain lions or Bears or something's going to take them out yeah what you're doing is essentially dipping your toe into the natural world and I've heard the argument that well this is ridiculous because everyone can't do that you know if everyone went out and hunted all the animals would be no animals left which is true but I'm not everyone and yeah so I don't you know how to use that if everyone did it argument it's a good argument because you if you're encouraging people to hunt it is kind of a good argument because it's not realistic it's not sustainable but the other thing to recognize is that the reason why most of this Wildlife exist in the first place a lot of it was wiped out in the early

a century from what they call Market hunting the late late 19th century early 20th century they you know they didn't have refrigeration and it was hard to get food and we didn't have the same sort of large-scale Agriculture that we have today and so when someone would want meat they would someone who would either have to hunt it for you and you would go to the market and get that hunted food or you would go out and do it yourself and they basically wiped out most of the wildlife in North America to the point of Extinction white-tailed deer elk they have been extirpated from the majority of their range in North America and only been replaced in a few other places but the places where they've been replaced it's all through money that was generated through hunting tags all through billions and billions of dollars there's a thing called the Robertson Pikmin I think that's what's called act where 10% if you buy hunting gear and Equipment ten percent of that money goes to Habitat restoration

making sure that Rangers and Forest people get funded so there's fish and game department gets funded and all of and also population conservation making sure that the populations are healthy repopulating certain areas with elk and deer and this is all been done through the money that's generated through hunting yeah I can see that there's an looking at my own feelings towards it I can see that there's a potentially I'm bringing a sentimentality to the idea of animals that's like anthropomorphic yeah like I'm not oh you can't kill that it will about its babies you know in like a thinking about things like that but what I you know I live in a rural area in Britain where like hunting is normal and I wouldn't and agriculture is normal and I wouldn't get very far if I was sort of like you can't shoot those pheasants look at their feathers their beautiful you know I mean like it wouldn't it's not a helpful actually so whilst I like record late

- oh I couldn't do that because like I don't it messes me up on a sort of a feels like a very sort of deep visceral level like you know like but I feel that this is precisely the kind of territory where we have to look at acknowledging and tolerate in difference between us this is where I feel like the sort of these ossified polarized positions between right and left are starting to take root because if someone like me who don't eat meat don't eat animal products and wouldn't hunt for ethical reasons starts trying to impose on other people now you shouldn't have because of this that have you not watched Bambi you know like that's going to mean that people aren't able to explore who they are set and so my / I've let go of judging people around things that I don't agree with because I reckon I don't know everything you know I mean I'm this this is like this is about my morality is about how I behave and if people said to me I'm thinking about going hunting I'll go well these are my feelings about it however though I just heard that's hunting dogs

tribute apparently to the survival of some species and there is an argument that is quite natural in indigenous and it's probably a way of getting in contact with who we are originally as hunt in people it's an important part of our anthropological history and possibly a lot of the condemnation of hon in his part of the rejection of who we used to be as we become overly civilized and more and more detached from what it is to be human whether that's sacred or pragmatic we don't know what human beings are anymore we reject our own sexuality reject our own bodies we reject you know we're trying to turn ourselves into these sort of cyborgs these emotionless sexless meaningless creatures where is our passion where is our connection with the sacred they would go hold on only after about hunting when are you going to stop talking never gave me a name I will Pummel you with my belief system on all things like you know like so I don't feel like that ain't where I gained a judging people but like I'm interested as well with this I keep bringing up the subject of DMT like

what I guess what I want to know about is like because I'm you know obviously person in recovery I don't drink I don't take drugs haven't done for a long time and I recognized for certain people that they can't do it safely psychedelics and hallucinogens it seemed to me exist in a realm outside of that because they're not about they're not pleasure-seeking there's like seemed to me like it's a spiritual portal however I'm a crafty bastard when it comes to this stuff and I'm always looking for an in you know when I see your cannabis Treasure Trove over there I mean that is some yeah as you said let Raiders of the Lost Ark stuff and I'm holding in my hand now the CBD Rich cannabis softgels clasp in it you know so like I'm some worried that that is a gateway that CBD which is not necessarily psychoactives no psychoactive it's not but it does help you with anxiety and helps a lot of people because it alleviates a lot of inflammation which tends to have a corresponding impact on on your anxiety having said this is here

11 milligrams of THC does that mean I mean it says th see it does say that the bottom the value under 1 this is 1 to 1 or Attica 18 to 1 or 11 it says there's an 1101 a couple different ones in the Box oh I give you almost gave you the wrong one child what's next Frank if I go smack don't take that this one goes I think this one this one's way more powerful every Wonder one yeah you seem to seem very relaxed and free from anxiety great I will say that but like so like what I suppose I'm interested in because at listen I'm meditate in the whole like I meditate a lot I'm doing all these things I'm experiencing Transcendent States I'm experiencing what it's like to not feel attached to my identity is Russell who are you before you are Russell who are you before you identify yourself as a man in England who are you who is the person who is the Consciousness who is the awareness and when I listen to say Terrance McKenna talking about his experiences in psychedelia at such length and with such Lucidity and with so many philosophical connotations and the way that he uses the information

getting from hallucinogenics experiences to speculate on how we should organize Society what it what the implications Are For Freedom he's refusal to accept that there are certain kinds of experiences that should be prohibited that it's ridiculous that adults should be prevented from having that I'm fascinated by I'm also I suppose part of my bias is I love anything that gets me out of my head I feel a tremendous sense of relief whether it's through meditation or even sport at the or sex being relieved of the burden of the constantly thinking mind but when I hear like those Vivid its descriptions of DMT realm or West Coast I think something in me hungers for that hungers for it and I'm worried that you're trying to get intoxicated you worried that your but you're trying to find a loophole yeah because I am doing that I'm looking I'm looking for a loophole was like I'm going around that like a sofa trash lawyer looking for some way is there hold on a second what that is that's a great way of putting it yeah

I mean I know people that have problems with addiction that I've done psychedelics and didn't have a problem but I'm sure some people have had problems and I don't know about them DMT is interesting in that first of all it's very quick the experience is only about 15 minutes 20 minutes max and it's also it's not necessary it's not an intoxicant in the way that you would think about traditional you are still you in the face of this experience and I think I think it's some sort of a chemical Gateway and that's what I think I think there's a Gateway in your mind that can lead to some other dimension that's probably they're all the time if there is a omnipresent continually existing realm that human beings aren't accessing because of the particular biochemical formulation of Consciousness as it is in this point in our Evolution yeah and that we can get there and it seems as like you know I've heard there's McKenna so it's more real you know it's more real there's stuff in there you know and

excuse me and when he talks about them beings you know like that he describes a self dribbling basketballs creating like Faberge Egg like you know devices through vibration and until you do I never saw I would like I want that called The Machine elves he's called them all sorts of different things the way I've described them as their the geometric patterns made out of love and understanding that actually seemed like so you read you can look at geometrical pattern and read meaning into it had an emotional quality they're made out of something and they move they change like they don't stay what they are they're constantly evolving in front of you into something more and more beautiful very weird what did it make you feel

like I knew nothing there was the most profound aspect like the all of this stuff that you concentrate on every day is nonsense and there is some other thing that's connected that's probably influencing this world yeah and it's probably what people see when they have near death experiences the depictions of the afterlife I mean that's probably what it all is and religious experiences when profits are talking about oh my God I went into this realm there's these beings they've told me we're all one we have two colors other scholars in Jerusalem are connecting Moses has experience with the burning bush to the acacia tree the acacia tree which is rich in DMT the burning bush is with God was to Moses and that through this Burning Bush he came out with these 10 commandments of how people should live their lives I mean that easily could have been just a very convoluted sort of translation of a DMT trip certainly and also when you think of certainly there are archetypal images that seem to be repeated

our ancient cultures on an archaic stories that seem to refer to the potential for plant experiences to affect Consciousness even the Garden of Eden do not eat of the fruit of the tree of knowledge the otherwise you will become as Gods you know I like I sense that now if if there is some realm that we can reach through that experience that seem that puts into perspective everything that else we experience on the material realm and that thing seems to in your words be m&a in love and understanding while ever-changing completely formless and communicating love and understanding I can't help but think that that should become our priority to have a relationship with that realm and to bring about that experience and I don't even mean in a literal way because even Terrance McKenna said there are some people vulnerable souls he was probably referring to people like me that probably shouldn't mess around with that kind of things really talking about people with schizophrenia right which he believed he had

add by the way did he yeah he he had some very unique perspectives on schizophrenia and the the way people interact with the world itself I think if we lived in a healthy World healthy civilization that had a healthy relationship with psychoactive substances we'd probably have centers where you would have a legitimate Shaman a medical adviser and someone would take you through a guided experience we're doing that now with ketamine there's a lot of people that are very depressed that are having these physician controlled ketamine experiences that have had a profound effect on their depression my friend Neil Brendan's gone through several of them and he was he's a comedian a very funny comedian so when he was describing it was hilarious I was going to a doctor's office and tripping his fucking balls off you know and the doctors shooting him up with intramuscular ketamine oh my God yeah and he's having these insane so I go see you're having psychedelic experiences like oh yeah

scribing it was really funny it mean tripping his fucking balls off in these whatever states that ketamine I've never experienced kind of man I don't know what it does but it's apparently profoundly hallucinogenic and you have a wild crazy experiences on it and for whatever reason it has a great impact on depression for a lot of people I think it's a perspective enhancer but it also does something to rewire the Mind well what some of this suggests is that mental illness is a response to our material conditions where that where that mental illness is schizophrenia depression or addiction is like that people are going on hang on a minute this isn't how we're supposed to live I took that came in one time towards the end of my using and as usual it's not in the right type of environment we doing stuff like that in a nightclub you need to be under that shamanic conditions why you don't guy or whatever whoever nominator Shaymin but I felt like it was like going into a tunnel made of sound and I having to navigate that whole shit I'm still in reality

take one we're gonna do is it is my self consciousness becomes a noise instead of a string of words and signs yeah I'm I'm gonna get out of this place you know so like for me it's clear that drugs were never meant to be recreational in fact they never were so I've never hey man this is crazy I was like I'm fucking pain I need some shit to help me out cause I'm gonna probably kill myself yeah you know so like it was a way of holding that stuff at arm's length so I guess my renewed curiosity around DMT and I are what and iOS gotta and other sort of plant medicines and like you know that do you know Daniel pinchbeck and like them guys that are sort of part of that I'm curious about it because I guess I'm continually trying to find a way where someone go right here's a way where we can do it where it's all safe and I've heard of other people in recovery doing it when I think about what my motivation is is when I hear people talking about and my own and my own Recollections of experiencing what felt like God and by God I mean a sense of Oneness and that my individual identity isn't my real identity and I'm connected to everything and love is the most important thing you know II want a

experience of that so that when I'm out in the world I can remember when I'm driving or when I'm dealing with people or if I'm buying something or if I'm feeling inferior or feeling Superior that like you said this is bullshit this is like a secondary reality don't let it govern you as a someone that's been seduced by Fame a person alive if I get this part in this film then everyone's gonna love me I'll if they stand up set goes well you know like I person has placed all of my well being outside of myself the certain knowledge that there is an inner connection that will take care of you that's accessible I guess I am you know hungry to sort of feel it in a way that's like oh my God now there is no doubt so in the sense is a crisis of faith not crisis of Faith psychedelic states that you can achieve without taking anything I mean you can certainly get there in a flotation tank you can get there through holotropic breathing I've never done Kundalini Yoga but apparently the people that get really deep into Kundalini Yoga can literally have DMT trips yeah I know I have friends that have done diem

and have experienced DMT trips through Kundalini but you have to be really dedicated I mean there's a lot of time a lot of time a lot of energy and you have to really understand the methods and follow them to a tee and you can achieve these Altered States Of Consciousness that are apparently you know not from my personal experience but from what people tell me incredibly profound yeah I mean I've had comparable things I guess that what it's the you know the difference between feeling something that's that overwhelming that gives you no choice you know like there's like it's not like in a Kundalini you've got do these breasts correctly you got shit they got try again have you done it yeah I don't know quite a bit of trouble Eeny what for me it feels like what I felt quite a lot yogic Lee Anne meditatively is a cessation of what I would call my individual Consciousness like oh I'm not this this isn't who I am this is just a temporary experience and all of the value systems of our world are built upon these Primal drives in collaboration with a culture that likes to stratify people and manage people and operates

massive Farm where it's easier to keep people together operating in these kind of way systemically I've still felt rushes of that like a certain wordless Clarity if you can imagine me having anything that was worthless even for a moment and like an in that space you know there is there is great piece so I suppose get that what's turning me on about the like the DMT and I wescoe thing is that the way it's narrower advised that the you're going to meet characters and stuff like that and it's and it's going to be plain and Beyond doubt you know because I suppose what profits do you know like whether it you know when a prophet returns from there whether it's the burning bush or the cave they come back and they say all this stuff that you're taken seriously is not real there's this other realm start prioritizing it or you are going to live in hell on Earth you're going to be governed by your materialistic drives your sexual drive and it's going to imprison you and it turns out that they're right and so like you know I suppose what I'm after because I'm partly you know on a very superficial like on one level

influenced by what you're doing and how you've created your own like your create your own business and your own success like this this symbiosis of stand-up and the podcast and like it's become like a sort of a Lifestyle brand in a sense Joe like you know I'm sort of like yeah I don't I don't want to be continually dragged into these collected like working within institutions like you know I'm over here doing a bloody doing Ballers and I'm bloody glad to be overridden Ballers and working with the rock and I've got a funny story about that if you want it like but like you know like really what interests me is like can I be and that can I dedicate my life to humorously communicate in spiritual information and indeed starting to live it so like that and I suppose what that would mean is you know I'm getting better that I'm not a person who's obsessed with porn or sex or drugs or whatever like you know to become it to become what you actually are to recognize that we're all different your perfect realization of you is going to involve hon in and all of these things that you've created through your gift and that my

version of me is going to you know involve all of this and not everyone needs to be able to of Empires or entertainment Industries or whatever but all of us are on some Journey to self-actualization and realization as individual as our fingerprints and as natural as a seed turning into a tree and if we don't have a way of accessing that no wonder were dissatisfied no wonder we take there's an opioid epidemic they want to people are bored and angry and lonely well I think what you can do is be yourself and what you can do is express yourself and what you can do is constantly seek to improve and grow and you are doing those things so if you're saying can I do these things can I be comedic and spiritual and what you're doing it right so it can be done so you don't you're doing it you know it's all just a matter of what whether or not you're satisfied with your progress and where you are and who you are and how you express yourself so you'll Pursuit for excellence when you're saying I've got get better at BJJ or archery or hon in a whatever that isn't coupled with a sort of sense because you're not fucking good enough so that's that that's that oh it's sealed I've got this one

Dermot I love it Julie cool in it and there's enthusiasm I mean in everything and archery and particular it's very you know there's that book Zen and the Art of archery which is it's an interesting book it's you know I mean I think there's some really great points to it but that state of mind that you get when you release an arrow and that Arrow perfectly Finds Its Mark really is and it's your it requires so much concentration and focus and technique that you really don't think about other things and it's cleansing in a lot of ways it's mind cleansing I find you Jutsu to be very similar in that way to that it's so all-encompassing it's so there's so much on the line it's so difficult to do that while it's happening you're freeing your mind up I mean I think of video games in the same way all of these things such as a that's bizarre but like we were all of those things suggest a transmission between the inner and outer world isn't it you're looking at the bullseye and then oh my god I've made this thing

time and space or BJJ I've been shown again and again how execute is triangle and I've just actually done it against resistance is amazing to feel that it's amazing to feel that that your inner life can express itself in the material world whatever wherever you're looking to explore that and to test yourself and when you test yourself and you have to figure your way through something or change the path because the path you on was unsuccessful when you're doing that it's really good for the mind and for the I hesitate to say the spirit because I think that word spirituality is so beaten down and abused you know you mean it become commodified yeah it's like yeah it's like when people call themselves A Healer like are you really yeah I'm really hating on the way that going we're all healing I mean we really are all healing each other but I think there's something to doing difficult tasks that it makes life easier I really believe that I think it makes life

more enjoyable I think it makes the bright colors brighter and it makes the the dull colors even them the even though the the bad moments if you have real positive experiences with difficult things that you choose to do on your own I think it mitigates most of the hassle of Life yes I agree with that that is again and I'm not particularly promoting this but because I'd like I'm all right with however things do but the point of this mentorship is the idea that someone will exhibit qualities that you recognize you don't fully realized in yourself and that you can sort of model them and realize them because later the you have those qualities all right Kevin Hart we're talking about how horrible I find his positivity made me think so real it's unbelievable on a practical level for ya while he's building his stand-up that guys fucking diligent and the amount that when he talked to his son when he taught through his work schedule you quite you fetishize hard-working men I think I've heard you talk about Dwayne Johnson and Kevin Hart like the like you like the idea of men I'm up at those people what happened to I mean the

now chamber don't do that though I sleep in a lot of things that they don't do like I but I also you know unlike the Rock at least I do stand-up me Kevin does stand up to obviously I don't know if he does it as much or as often as I do but I did because I do the club's I have a philosophy about what's required to develop great stand-up that you have to do a lot of sets you have to do a lot of numbers a lot of different places different environments and I found that out the hard way through My best performances in my less good performances like what was missing and what did I gain you like I said I think he's a sort of an interesting to bite you know I don't know if it's in standup World At Large but it's only thing I thought about a lot is like that as soon as I was able to have an audience that would come and see me I was like I'm out thank you God like myself through that shit again those Dan hope feels the same way by the way that he's one of the best

amazing yeah absolutely fantastic I completely agree and like goes I thought like cause what I feel like is that the comedy club environment whoops your material because you've got a peel to them and I think you ain't the fucking Arbiters of Truth you've drunk crazy to am motherfuckers like so I get like I perform are what I'll do is I am what I'm doing say at the moment is I'll book the UCB like or like places hundred 200 or go Largo or put on events and I'm doing events while I'm in LA because I think are these people come and they love me and they bring me beads and then here's some vegan cookies and you gotta come to The Comedy Store around gone after Joey Diaz because I feel like I like a nurturing environment again in the time because I thought yeah those fucking clubs and like you know and even Comedy Store and late night comedy store in La like you know as well as London and I feel like Jesus thank God and after so like I'm interested to you that's part of that what I think some people could

dr. Lee refer to his machismo in you like that you go now I'm going in there how do you know what it is it's that guy that mounted you and went for the armbar and you escaped right it's worth it because it was hard you like you realize if a child got on top of you and went for an armbar and you escaped you feel nothing so when you're at Largo you're performing for children to a child stand up it's like your dressing with hundred pound women who just started yesterday thought the Make-A-Wish Foundation come on Russell then tell us your stories if you notice he's wonderful thank you thank you children but but like the counter argument to that is that therefore I am in an environment that is sympathetic and is my audience and I'm not biasing I what you know the idea of overcoming a greater obstacle I completely appreciate what you're saying but say you believe in the purity of stand up as being some real work

oppression of yourself as in the arrow hitting the bullseye I feel like I have a vision of what I'm trying to achieve an increasingly it's becoming about I want my stand-up I want to hang on you know like as I've always done stories where I feel embarrassed and humiliated but I want to hang off it ruminations on what are believed to be the nature of Truth and I want people to come out of those things feeling loved validated accepted and that they're good enough and that they can explore themselves in a you know that's more of a one-man show in a sense is that I don't want to like sacrifice the laughs you know I mean I love the laughter the last what is where we're at you know that you don't have a sacrifice in a one-man show mean you can certainly do a one-man show that would be really funny but so you start going into yeah that's what I'm doing and I'm still I'm trying to build things like around 12 steps and trying to leave and like doing things that people have some takeaway value from now like you know like trying to develop that after Joey Diaz in the store there's going to be some resistance you're aware of Hannah gadsby and the controversy of this you think about them and that I haven't seen the inaudible

so say I'm going to see it but because what the end of comedy and all that kind of thing silly it's no end of Comedy but she what she's doing people like and there's nothing wrong with I don't know you call it whatever you want sometimes it's funny I mean maybe it's stand-up comedy nice version a time I told and a block of become a sort of quite aggressive towards unit yeah became like a TED Talk almost I guess apparently I'm interested in are you know that's you know yeah there's enough room for everyone to exam to do whatever they're doing but let's see at the beginning of my guts call it career like I used to not prepare at all I was still drinking using I've got up on stage I trap shit up I'd get into confrontation like I'm going to say structure but take up animals shit part animal part side got from butchers like a skull we've all meat and stuff and sinew on it chop it up for anyone's released locusts get into confrontations of like so yeah exactly the reaction you're having is Direction they were happy that's a sounds our friend Road I had like fights I've got scars on my body from Bad stand-up gigs from a time where I got into a confrontation like I was making

point about pedophilia saying oh we're all one cultural mind so when a particular paedophile has transgressed against a child were all responsible be like what the fuck that's a tough sell I got the shit kicked I'm with that type of you know I've still got the scar on my leg that happened it Edinburgh in Scotland people didn't take it well like so but what I was trying to do was like create I didn't have the skills to chops the experience than jokes so it's so under-equipped but like what I was trying to do was create environments that felt yeah I'm much better at doing that now I can create a kind of an uncertainty in a room a kind of a sense of chaos and what's happening and then bring it back I hope to a humorous conclusion where people feel safe and amused and all of that kind of stuff now I think it's you can't like because I did try and do that and comedy clubs and yeah it was conversation with know what people want so don't you think that by prepping your stand-up in those environments that it biases you towards a type of stand-up comedy that it's in is limited no because you can do that other stuff

to you can always perform to your crowd and you can always expand on things to your crowd but to really put it together without any fluff without any nonsense it without being self indulgent with respecting the attention span of the audience that may or may not even be there to see you most likely is not if you go to a comedy club and there's a large you know if you go to The Comedy Store any night of the week There's 15 plus people on the Marquee or on the list and the show starts at 8 p.m. or 9 p.m. depending on the night and it goes to two o'clock in the morning and you know you catch waves in there and there's different types of comedy and in that you're going to deal with sometimes tired audiences sometimes enthusiastic people it's all different it varies widely and I think that in doing that you cut all the nonsense out of your act and you you develop an economy of words you understand how to Captivate people's attention and keep them engaged and to respect their time

respect their point of view respect that these people have an attention span they want to be engaged in the best possible way that you can do it and sometimes you develop that through these really difficult sets or you know distracted people and drunks and all that stuff you can develop that those qualities you're always going to have your crowd and when your crowd been if you have this this vision of how you want to put things together you can put that kind of thing together at a comedy club you're doing it in these 15 minute chunks you just have to figure out a way to grab them and make them really interested in what you have to say you're right because there's a obviously in like The Comedy Store between now as you just described there's a contract we're here not getting it see you wear it laughs every 15 seconds and like you know Comics like you know like Robin Williams or Chappelle's to the you know the all-time great they went they go in and accept those conditions and how you know you've seen stuff I'm sure like a Robin Williams you just like walking around in the crowd in that very room do is

he's like he's doing the thing I'm talking about and he's doing it there yeah that's when you think yeah if you like I suppose I do get at that your road testing it to a its durability to an incredible degree if you can pull it off there yeah well think about every time you're saying something when you're you have a subject I say if you want to do you want to talk about Dementors that you have in life there's it's an open-ended approach you have no idea what the correct way to say something is you try it you how you write it out you say this seems feasible let me try it this way and oftentimes people never correct it or they never they never adjust it they never go back and improve it they just say it in a certain way and figure out how to do it when you're doing it in front of a crowd you're developing these things while also feeling the way people are reacting to them and feeling their attention span and it makes you with proper reflection and truly objective listening to your material it makes you

change and shift and adjust things in a hopefully in a positive way getting and the more you do it the more you get a sense of maybe this is clunky here and maybe I figure out a better way to say it and I agree but the counter argument could be that it could buy us you to sort of a lowest common denominator area so that bit where you talk about the Sun and you know it's you know you need is trying to kill you it gives you cancer we're gonna let something like what was the Journey of that beer stand up it's like that for me it's like I think of a for I try and make sure there's a tag so I know where I'm going when I'm out there and then it says comparable process to yours you're trying your best to get rid of fluff or whatever so can you recall like what it's like you know are you night after night going in with new bits of material packaged within things that you're a little more confident yeah my put that bit on a special I can do it better now I know a better way to do it and just that's part of the problem with doing bits it's like sometimes you release them on a specialty of a

version of it now my point of that was to perspective enhancer to let people know that bit was about like understand what's happening here you are literally floating in infinity and it's almost never discussed your hurling through forever there's a fireball in the sky it's a million times bigger than Earth if you stare at it you'll go blind it's trying to give you cancer and if it's not there you get sad yeah you live in a dream like this is madness your life is madness and beautiful yeah it is but I wanted there's something about that particular way of expressing because I figured out a way to express it sure in short Doses and short bursts if you know if you stare to go blind trying to give you cancer if it's not there you get sad so in that short bursts like it's you know like wow yeah that is all those things are true like yeah it's crazy there really is a fire ball floating in the sky we're just used to it we live because of a floating million times bigger than the earth

Fireball and I when you say if you can say something like that and make someone laugh you can actually change the way they look at things you can actually affect at least the way they look at things we just say something sometimes it's profound sometimes it registers but if you can say something and it forces someone to laugh even if they disagree with you if they're laughing like I don't even fucking agree with this but holy shit this is funny you put that thought deep into someone's head and you allow them to think about your thought process and and how your creative process and what you're doing to sort of bring these things out yes I like the way you just described the architecture of that you got basically have these are some facts about the sun irrefutable yeah now here is how that affects the way we look at the world and exposes to us that we are just ignorant we're not awake to reality we can't hold reality in our minds because it's too vast to handle I

like it and I agree with you that let you know what that wave laughter comes access to kind of deeper truths and I've heard some therapists in fact say that like that laughter is to shame what grief is the sadness that laughter is helping to expel shame and to process showing there's something very important about people coming together and laughing together and I like to exist comedic lie in a world where it's like starts from a deeply personal perspective and Admissions and acknowledgements of humiliation and shame and vulnerability and travels out to the universal and hopefully archetypal that you can sort of travel between those points with the comedian that thing we both admire Bill Hicks what I think is fascinating is because let you know like if you've loved Bill Hicks for a long while then you discover man that guy works material a lot you know like you gotta watch this interview him on the Australian TV he's doing like a bit that I've seen him do you know in multiple incarnations but I have also seen him do interviews ways spontaneously talking about gigs

terrible Geeks have gone badly and he is hilarious but it's very interesting to me and perhaps it's because of that background and that practice of doing clubs that hicks is very much a comedian that's no I'm drilling this fucking thing and I'm staying with it now he was a writer mean he did ad-lib and he did he was capable of going on these rants spontaneous rants but he was a writer you know he wrote these things out and he was aiming to have an impact with his commentary I mean that was what was he was doing it was not just trying to make you laugh he was aiming to enhance your your perspective on whatever he was talking about yeah and as it was seems very disciplined yes a practitioner of it whereas like say a Chappelle it was like he's just Gambler like an hour well you know he's got a very unique process Chappelle does and he can turn over an hour like no one I've ever seen before and I was talking to Donnell Rawlings about it recently who was on the Chappelle show with him and he's like we both agreed like he's the best ever at turning over a new our he can have a new idea

release the Netflix special and then have a new our within a couple of weeks it doesn't make sense I don't I don't understand how he's doing it it must just flat in just he's in a great space you know he's in a great mindset to do comedy you know if you pay attention to how you know when people study like if you read outliers and you read how people when people study why people are great at what they do and what makes them exceptional there's always a variety of factors and whatever the factors are with Dave he's got this easygoing personality this like very carefully Carefree way of looking at things he's also gone through a lot of bullshit in his career with you know the leavings the Chappelle show and you know abandoning fifty million dollars in going to Africa and really understanding what his real motivation where he was caught up in that world where they were trying to change him and commercialize his television show and he handled

it is good as anybody that's ever handled it yeah he handled Fame and Temptation I think better than anyone I've ever heard of he just said fuck you and he just went away he went away and then didn't do gigs for years people understand he would show up and do stand-up places but he wouldn't book anything so like he wasn't getting paid he was just he did stand up Dave Chappelle did stand-up in the park in Seattle he brought like a little amplifier and a microphone set up and just started doing stand-up and people just gathered around hmm and he did this just to sort of get him back in touch with his roots because he used to do a lot of street performing in New York and I saw him do street performing in Montreal we did a club and then we came out of the club and Dave I think Dave was like 18 and 19 in time just start doing stand-up on the street and put his hat out and people put money in his hat I mean he was constantly sharpening that sword and he stopped doing stand-up for a long time in terms

of like booking gigs and then after a while I said fucking I'm going to come back again and then he started doing these gigantic gigs and then of course he did his two recent Netflix specials were amongst his best work ever and you know and now he's working all the time he's constantly popping Into The Comedy Store and The Comedy Cellar and all these different clubs all across the country and constantly doing stand-up and no social media does not not involved in any of that stuff doesn't do anything just to put just performs just does his stuff yeah that's interesting when you it's like I feel that some people like found the essence and found their path and live it you like it and like that you know that like they're a yogi or a priest or something that's right he's just got a devotional this is who I am I'm not doing anything but it's not that and it yeah that's exhibited even in earlier stuff prior to the krait that really in a what you would just you know the crisis of the 50 million walk away thing like by then if he was at 18 doing them clubs he was hardened

Keith what that what seems so loose on stage was something that had been refined as a person is comfortable and yeah he was always good he was good when I first met him when he was like 18 I think he was 18 I was 21 so it was somewhere in that ranch maybe I was a little older maybe who's maybe it's like Howl's Dave 46 47 I think he's five years younger than me is that correct 46 or 47 45 okay so he's more six years six years younger than me so you know I was probably 25 and he was probably 18 ish 2526 1817 but he was he was so like calm and like he was very it was you were attracted to listening to him it was like look at this guy like this guy is like so comfortable in his own skin and so friendly and easy going and hilarious but who he was then and then who we became

is all the work that he put in you know it's like he had this base of this really you know this curious young very wise person who saw things that other people didn't see in the world and then he just kept going and just kept going and then of course the Chappelle show which is in my opinion the greatest sketch comedy show of all time even though it was only two seasons the best ever and then after that I mean he's basically just on stand up and done it completely outside of this system he's done up some parts in movies and shit like that but for the most part what he's doing is just stand up completely outside of the Hollywood System completely free just goes up you know just talk some shit house a couple of drinks laughs and and and and it's incredibly compelling he's found his Groove you know and that's it's a beautiful thing to watch as a fellow stand-up comedy practitioner when someone here treat sheaves this Mastery level like we know we're talking about like this Hicks and Gracie of stand-up comedy level because that's where he's at right now yeah

I agree with you become who you are yeah he's yeah he's become himself but he doesn't have the things that are getting in the way of that that's what's really interesting like you don't see him he's like he's not on social media is not on anything Twitter Facebook is not any that shit doesn't pay attention any of it he's just just being a person just being a person and doing stand-up you know it's he doesn't have to which is unique to you know he doesn't have to promote things they just sell out they had to pull an amazing example an amazing example I've got promote some things so what do you go by the book mentors ha ha ha ha I've really learned some powerful lessons there from the story that of the apotheosis of Comedy that Dave Chappelle's achieved his these delegations now I'm booked here to promote luminary my podcast have got high note played a pay wall on a platform called luminary aiming to be the Netflix of podcast meaning like that you know your model will I imagine Triumph

further so like from like this week my podcast will be on luminary as part of their premium content is an app through which you'll get all podcast but my podcast is like you got us exactly launch now that's lunch because I know that ice yeah I know that was in the process of being created are you happy with that so far is it cuz it's not launched I don't know why you know you know you're like that you're going to leave listeners behind because it's done behind a pay wall by spoke to sort of like Sam Harris about it like what he somehow it's actually giving told me about it me too yeah right right and I spoke to like and what I recognized is because like the advertising model Works obviously in your case and I thought wow like there it was like a good deal it was a good deal a mentor I can carry on doing podcast form to three years that's what you know what this you know it's and it's supporting a lot of other content and essentially not yielding any creative control of people just people subscribe to get the premium content my stuff how much it was like wildfire bucks a month right that you get like

of an ol Lena Dunham mine how many different podcast I don't know I think like when their premium content is like 40 or 50 premium pot good like you know pieces of content live her life so for me I felt like you know it felt like otherwise podcast wouldn't be something that I could continue to do for every road every site you know I do because I do films or TV shows or stand up or whatever we're like a different like you know it did for me it wasn't a viable thing to pay for you know pay for people to run it to pay for guests to be them get to me and all that kind of stuff you know no no to do you do ads on your podcast with it--and they did before but now after this isn't right it's an ad-free model like that there's a benefit to that for sure you know a lot of people choose to go add free and then they use patreon or something like that for ya are supported stuff Sam Harris was doing that for a long time but then they had an issue with patreon about certain censorship of certain individuals and certain ideological

back devs where they were you know leaning towards left wing things and you know being being restrictive towards right wing things and then you know did policing the way people behave outside of patreon and some people found that objective Bowl so he left and some other people left like Jordan Pederson left and ah I've never entered into patreon that's into those Waters but I know bird does it I think Burr has like one a week that he does does no / - yeah really yeah he's tarnishing he's one of the best he's so like but like I feel like yeah I feel like it's an all right thing to do but even in like just with using things like YouTube and social media and you know like Spotify iTunes or whatever like you know as we've seen there's a point where there is sort of censorship is a possibility of like as you discussed on the jacket like that run of episodes may as I said to you by text between the Jack Dorsey the reaction to that your response to the reaction through Alex Jones

I know that's important for that was a Spate of podcast that's like this is where this medium can be the Alex Jones podcast I thought was the Godfather of podcasts within the cook it was an is anything yeah put it out tomorrow he just gave it to me so I put it on right now we're watching right now watch it yeah we have a guy who's hilarious thing is name is Pauly tune and polytune makes animated clips for us we had cast and he's fantastic how can he did one of the Alex Jones Eddie Bravo it's added the chatter yeah well they know not what he's asking him to choke him here I went to fly no this one it's so ridiculous here we'll play for you don't hear what's going on what's the matter okay back it up for the beginning though it was an exception if it looks like them

here we go the guy does awesome artwork do this we're going to get to this next and I respect you and I want you guys to yell at each other for three minutes while I go pee I got to pee too okay we'll do it in shifts so it should I go first okay anyways you are someone that I could talk to about the Flat Earth conspiracy you don't believe in Flat Earth but you can kind of understand where I'm coming from he what if I financed a research ship and make a documentary I can't go over three months I will pay what happens when the can you raise we're going to need a you guys going to the moon or in orbit okay you raise the money for a trip

yes don't be mad peopie don't you have to go we're gonna send someone else Alex we're gonna do more hay and I prove they're keeping babies alive and taking the rooms how did you prove that they're hitting Jamie pulled some know the fuck the governor you really think there's people out there campaigning for late-term abortions you think that shit's real you think campaign in the goddamn fucking said Percy Theory

born babies stop fucking lying I'm pissed now don't get pissed scope okay so the dude is he fucking is fucking with you let me see your fucking bars let me play many course I believe that we went into a long conversation about we played I heard it okay you heard I heard the whole podcast you're fucking with you okay my psychosis is so crazy that always thought I was so tough if we have to pee anymore that I hope it's a little bit the point is is that why are we debating whether the Earth is flat dude they're keeping they have human-animal hybrids yeah yeah that's good stuff that's what I mean I feel like that is the Pinnacle of where this medium can take us yeah watching like that's what he was in an extreme State well that when you could go

by be comfortable keep the body be comfortable and have a creases that are listen to that podcast like I go and runs I'd listen to this fucking hell man where else you gonna get this content whereas that got you well there's no one would ever agree to it anywhere else that's the thing that you'd never get a group of people whose jobs depend upon keeping the show on the air whether the producers or executive they would never agree to that they'd be like you can't have that crazy fucker on you can't have this on can have Eddie Bravo on all the time he thinks dump World is Flat stop this because you traveling between such a talented diverse and unusual ideas and and sort of the thing with Alex Jones as well is that it's like ego it demonstrates to a point that there's veracity in what he's saying some things yeah he's right about a lot of things you know we were just talking about animal-human hybrids we started pulling up these studies were they actually have done studies where they've tried to create animal-human hybrids non-viable and Animal Human embryos

trying to grow human organs in different animals and there's all sorts of weird scientific shit that we're doing imagine what they're doing in China behind walls look at this China's latest cloned monkey experiment is an ethical mess they used crispr dad to human genes into monkey genes there's like five monkeys this happened back in January and I don't do this is a fucking horror movie this is a Harmony this is how the horror movie begins why did you think that one's if that's what's being revealed the truth is darker yeah that's for sure for sure the trying to create super soldiers someone is trying to create some super soldier some half champ half-human super-intelligent murderous thing that's powered by remote control that is not a good objective no I don't see a good outcome for this super intelligent murderous remote-controlled the I ain't being but what if you could send those super intelligent murderous Champs to go kill Isis now we've got a reason to start with on we get them out there now we

and with look we've got a nice contract with the this defense contractor and they're gonna that's how we lubricate the passage to the murderous monkeys is Isis that's the function of Isis in the cultural conversation is to justify the monkey soldiers you know what one scared me more than anyone that I've ever read I read about this thing that DARPA was putting together so a robot called the eater robot e80 our robot it's a robot that fuels itself on biological matter so it essentially could eat bodies so you've got a murderous robot that eats people then it's like the fuel worst kind of things that human beings could achieve is that people are set around tryna yeah come up with them whether you know they they're responsible for a lot of really crazy innovation in terms of like military stuff you know but Boston Dynamics you know they're the ones that make those crazy robots and they

work with DARPA and those are the ones that make those robots that you can't kick over right you know I mean that's what you need one of those that eats people and you send them to the battlefield kick it over now that's the first thing we established is you can't kick it over I just think that's that's the big fear is that future warfare will be our Robots versus their robots you know if we're starting to bring about the worst aspects of the worst things that a human being can conceive of that's Channel them through into reality yeah it does make you feel that the apocalypse is rho I thought it was bad enough when in the malaise of my younger days I saw like for our wow imagine if there was a cleaning service where the person would come around and clean dressed scantily they do that they do that wherever devious shit you can dream up someone's trying to turn it back off it and they've taken it to the extent of the non kick over robot fleshy in robot yeah yeah what is it Jim Holt has a new

the new video today watch this this is so scary this is Boston Dynamics yeah there's something very eerie about that type of motion you know that the way that the movement of a snake is deeply coded to be unpleasant when you see it there's anything that moved me think that ain't good but it's the truck it's Towing wow oh my God they're pulling a truck when it's tiny little touches she does that there that's drawn to get caught Truck and Little Robot that's a giant as truck I mean he's also just a husky sled made out of expensive robots and the truck they've spent a lot of time and Endeavour to go backwards I guess kinda but to an evil Santa Claus the showing how strong these things are I don't like I don't like the gate Joe that's an unpleasant gate yeah you should be under you should be uncomfortable with it yeah that's how I'm not easy at ease with that but it's not just humans not animals there's no compassion in it it says it's feelingless but that's what you got to worry but you've never see that

sort of Black Mirror or the lady gets chased down by the drones I've not seen that why they want to have babies no there's a woman who's being haunted she's being hunted by a robot and it's terrifying because if it's remorseless lack of humanity and empathy looks just like that looks just like those things those are real Charlie Brooker he's yeah he's yeah spin to it that man's got good imagine he's amazing he's amazing that show was fantastic but these things look what we have to worry about is once artificial intelligence become sentient and you can somehow another attach it to these objects that move and they run on solar power or they have you know nuclear fuel cells or some crazy shit that allows them to exist for a long period of time you have to worry about them contaminating environments if you plan on killing everybody in the environment and also there's no means of Regulation is there because this because this is the Apex of human endeavor there in what what can govern that what can regulate it and like you say they'll be a Chinese equivalent

and for any of this stuff there's nothing that's above it going oh is this a good idea should we pull back what did he eat under he just pulled up a thing that said they're making that now you've got that one I showed you the get there a hundred different models of it are going to be available starting production this summer doesn't say how much they're going wow

but available for people to buy well this is a hundred different models has produced a hundred models that probably means it'll produce a hundred of them like a hundred different companies going to want them but I bet it's more than that yeah if any about how much they cost it doesn't say how much it's going to cost they're gonna announce that later but they showed like a robot arm come on although looks so creepy look at that thing imagine we have one of those things in the room filming we should get one no no that takes over one day we come here it's got red eyes it's like fuck you fuck you what you've done to the Earth were the first ones to help it none of the junk befriend each item a listening to us like Alexa that's how it begins isn't it there's something arachnoid an eerie about that it's almost like you know not receive this tunes into the DMT component of what we've been talking about is almost as if we've already experienced to this reality we've already been through the version where those evil insectoid robots take over so when we see on the screen with it oh no we're doing that thing that thing where we create those

it bring about our destruction and I believe it's because we've become biased to Commerce and a particular type of progress but one narrative has succeeded because we necessarily had to throw off religion but you know at the dawn of the secular age because religion was becoming systems of bias and systems of Oppression and what Anna systems of what I want to say Elevate in certain types of power and supporting it at least let's go hang on a minute this religion a lot of it seems like bullshit what we've done is we've abandoned the sacred and I think if you abandon the sacred meaning there is more to life than what we can understand I listened to the Brian Cox episode and I've spoke to Brian Cox the British physicist astrophysicists on my show as well and when he talks about like he said that you know we know that there's not some additional component to a human being because we can break down everything that happens when you move an arm you know whatever and I feel like we only have limited instruments we only have limited instruments there's certain frequencies that we simply cannot read what else is going on when

these Transcendent psychedelic experiences we're accessing elements of Consciousness energies and frequencies that we are not able to access while we're in this state and everything we're achieving and everything we're building we're building on this platform and the bias of this platform is towards Pride progress and materialism and I think the result is fleshy in robots and those evil monkey warrior soldiers we might want to calm down have a little talk about what it is we're trying to design yeah I don't know if I agree with Brian on their particular point that we think we know everything about where Consciousness emanates I don't think that's necessary but I like the fact that he thinks that way because he's such a rigid hard line or for Science and yeah that works at CERN I mean he's a brilliant brilliant man so of course he thinks anyway I also don't think he's ever had a DMT experience that's right I wonder that yeah they said some people I think give him a quick dose you know like because I was well I respect Brian and it's further to my point similar to the hunt in argument I can barely know I happen to believe in God but

like when I talked to Brian Cox I got to the point where I saying all right even though I believe in God and you are an atheist of though he said I don't call myself an atheist what I felt like we both got to the point where we said compassion kindness and love of the most important thing so in a way who cares so when you say there when you see you believe in God do you believe in the traditional God of Christianity what do you do you believe in God is a concept you have your own definition for it that I believe that that state of Oneness and Transcendence that you're talking about when you threw your DMT experiences that says you know love and kindness and loving awareness I believe that is the most real thing I think that preceded all matter and I think that we that we can interact with it so I don't believe God in a sort of in just a guy away that the whole world is like an interactive by biological living breathing goddess I believe that we I believe yes that and that we can commune with it and I'm furthermore the relevance of

for me is that it it suggests to me that we should be acting kindly and lovingly and when we're thinking about how do we organize our systems but the our awareness of that energy access of all to all of us should be Paramount in our understanding of how we organize so like what I think is like that we should look at you know like we've been through as human beings so many advents that agriculture technology industry thinking that we were the you know the sun went round there thinking that the Earth was flat with all due respect to Eddie brother like I like you know and we and before each of these realizations in each of these changes we always think we're at the summit we never know what's going to be the thing that's going to change my suspicion is that what's going to change is that the way we relate to Consciousness and the way we see ourselves as individuals that we start to have an understanding but what that that becomes a priority that thing you described of like when I have come back from DMT trips I recognize this is just an illusion and it's not real I think that will start like why

leave that we need to prioritize that and progressing along that line what are the implications of this not being the most real frequency there is how do we organize Society on that basis how does that affect how we relate to one another what kind of how should we be governing how how does that affect Justice that that should be in the mix instead of our many fucking terrifying arachnoid weird gate robot motherfuckers can we cut you know like that's the way we're going the progressive technological route because it's created medicine because it's saved so many lives because it's given us wonderful technology the spirit of entrepreneurial ship but all of that energy it all gets pushed in One Direction it all goes that way and I feel that we need to invite that back the sacred and the Divine need to be back in the conversation well there's certainly going to be pros and cons with everything you know there's definitely pros and cons with the creation of technology I think of this I think of human beings as if you go back to single celled organisms they have very little awareness of their

Matt and then as it became primitive bugs you know as things evolved they develop more awareness but even us in comparison to certain animals certain narrow animals have heightened senses of smell and survival instincts but they're also colorblind you know and they don't see things they see Edge detection like this one of the things about dear they see movement so like if you wear camouflage and you know your pattern is broken up with a grid and then you stay put they don't see you yeah they just did it doesn't meet doesn't register to them they see movement so we have a far more complex system of recognition than they do in terms of like visually the way we see things and I think that whatever skills or whatever sense is that we've evolved I don't think that's it I don't think that we've reached the Pinnacle of it and I think that as beings become more and more involved they'll probably gained more and more

senses and that could be directly related to technology it's totally possible that what's going on with technologies that were also developing through external means a way for us to see the world a way for us to like what they've done with the Large Hadron colliders like the best example of it right what they do with the Hubble Space Telescope and other telescopes you're using technology to gain awareness and to see more things and that this is the good side of technologies that it's allowing us to have a far greater understanding of all the variables that surround us that we might not be able to detect with our senses that this is a part of who we are and then I think when you're talking about things like psychedelic experiences that's probably another realm of understanding that we haven't really achieved yet because we're still evolving as a species as a thing what I think is interesting is that the continual bias along that technological path is too

it's profit you know when we see those machines the endpoint is always how do we make them how do we maximize profit there is no like the influence of how do we do what's right that's like a sort of a person like a sort of a general ethical what I want to say sort of code is not being introduced there is no regulation like you know ultimately you know ultimately people will create the warrior monkeys or the most profitable machines people will because the counter argument isn't being made no one is like what I'm saying though is making it there's just there's no Union of you know there's no clear opinion about hang on a minute where could we be going no there is nobody or ideology that's able to oppose the Relentless March of capitalism I'm not sort of like a flat-out capitalism is bad here I am promoting a book using an iPhone or you know I mean we're all swimming in it but what I'm saying is that

if we acknowledge there are Transcendent Realms there is information day and data that exists beyond what we are able to receive with our senses how are we going to incorporate that in the way we organize because otherwise this of the magnetism the pull the g-force of what's most profitable what's going to continue to suit the requirements of the powerful that will always be the buyers will always fall in that direction and it seems like where that's heading is certain kinds of ecological disaster certain kinds of economic inequality certain kinds of conflict you know and like we're not one of them are the simple experiments that I apply is you know if we you know if we people that are what's wrong with the world world so fact all this polarity I sometimes think we'll who is benefiting from how it is now are there is anyone benefiting are there any groups institutions or individuals for whom this current state is beneficial and if the answer to that question is yes then look at who those institutions are and they are most likely to a degree involved in establishing and maintaining these systems

and there are you know institutions and individuals and organizations that this works just fine for but are they just capitalizing on it or they are organizing it and is a normal part of the way human beings operate with this constant desire for Innovation constant desire for improvement we always want to push further no no one's comfortable where they are they will always want to be in a better place and this is almost like it's built into capitalism right I agree that this materialism which is built into capitalism also is what fuels Innovation yeah because you want the newest iPhone so they have to design it and build it and make it all right and when new things come out like this new robot that apparently you're going 200 models whatever that means what that is is this is they're going to sell it so there's like it's fueling Innovation someone else will come along compete with Boston Dynamics then there will be there will be Innovation Wars if these Innovation Wars weren't in place right now our phones would look nothing like the iPhone 10 it just wouldn't we expect to SX it

like who knows what it looked like but there would be no no incentive for them to compete against all these Samsung devices and Huawei devices and all that stuff is fueling this Innovation but it's all being fueled by capitalism you're quite right that is the Innovation is one of the benefits of the maintaining this system but it seems to me that we are excluding other factors like that that recur throughout human cultures we all have an idea of fairness of justice and yeah I don't want some clunky weird sort of Eastern Bloc phone made out of Grey plastic only one button on it like that like we have to I suppose examine as a society and as individuals what is important to us there where I think you know we've talked touched several times upon you know the fact that as an individual you're more likely to buy yourself towards negative information online you know like we do have a degree of individual power an individual

a and I feel like if enough people awaken to the possibility of different narratives that that the capitalist idea of innovation and success and progress that all of these words can be examined what do you mean progress assumes a teleology a purpose a destination if all time is happening at once if space is infinite like you know that bit of yours of like you know look to try and fathom for a moment the limitlessness that we're existing within then all these things are constructs this is a construct and it is good to have technology but it's possible to like points times of Crisis such as that it would it feels like we're at now and I know that people have said well we always feel that every generation thinks that they're the one because they know their own impending death is coming and they narrative eyes that something social and Global well regardless there's gotta be a time where we start to introduce different ideas into our systems it seems like there's room for that now because we do live in a tote at a truly Global culture that there is the possibility for monoliths

to introduce new innovation and there is nothing that can oppose it or regulate it we start to see this kind of breakdown so I'm interested in how we can individually prepare ourselves to organize Society differently to be able to overcome pretty superficial differences like are you go hon in I don't go hunt in we ain't really gives a fuck they start talking about how we can organize a size where people who go and it'll don't go hunting can live peacefully in different ways not entirely governed by a small cabal you know and I'm sure plat power is more complex than that that seemed to be hugely biasing the direction of this so-called progress I think you answered your own previous questions when you're talking about whether or not you can be spiritual and funny and like what are you doing can you carve that path out for yourself that what you're doing there by explaining that would influence people would give people a perspective that allows them to say yeah like why are we doing this and what is the purpose of this and if enough people hear those words and have that

spective introduced to them it'll change the way they interact with the world and that changes the world it really does and that's one of the more powerful things about discussions when someone like you says something like that and it resonates with people and they start thinking like why am I living like this like what if I'm only have if I really do only have 50 years to live why am I living these 50 years and some really unproductive bullshit way that's not satisfying at all because I just want a bigger house like what is it do I want a faster car don't want to expensive piece of jewelry like what is what is the purpose of this path that I'm on now versus a path that I could be on and what is the real conflict that we all experience between each other is it how much of it is due to a lack of communication how much of his due to a lack of real listening and understanding one of the things I've said about like comments and podcast and stuff like that I think one of the reasons why a lot of people get mad and I've tried I thought think this through like why some people some of them

lots of so negative two things that don't it seem innocuous on the outside I think it's because it's frustrating when you don't have a say yeah give to people I can see you and I are talking about something is probably some guy right now going what Josh fucking stop with all your spiritual bullshit here's what you do you wake up when you're fucking alarm clock goes off you never hit snooze you get out the door you put your hours in eventually you get better you take care of your family you have like a fucking man and there's probably people like that that are they're upset that they feel like we're pontificating too much and this is all just you know just mental masturbation you're right the ways it is but that's part of how you dissolve these things and think these things through I believe they deserve their say yes well and that's one of the things that you know I've been a person that goes to sort of 12-step support groups is you recognize that everyone's individual experience that is valuable yes that it's not like that and I've got over the idea that you know that there's some external thing can be imposed and like you know whilst there are like many

older are you know we could say not using their 50 years to maximum effect because they are you know pursuing odd material goals there are many many more people that aren't have never been introduced to the idea of freedom because from the moment they're born they're economically tyrannized you're told that you're only if you are not economically valuable to this system you are not valuable at all and that isn't that's only an idea but you know if you don't know you know if you can't become a lawyer or you know comedian or whatever fuck you what so many of us are trapped in the expectations and values of our parents too that's a real problem with people don't let their children become an individual they force their children to follow their own rigid ideology a shame them when they don't I agree with that but do you not imagine that addict Fair degree of that stuff is unconscious do you know you don't agree for sure probably unconsciously imposing things on our kids a hundred percent but not with guilt and women if your kid comes to you and say Daddy no I know you wanted me to

be a doctor but fucking I want to play Bongos I just want to be the best Bongo player of all time I bet you'd probably be like hey learn the fucking Bongos give me a hug yeah go get those Bongos get out there come the best damn bungo our you can dear or even mediocre I'm sure but there are fathers out there be like the fuck you are you're going to be a goddamn doctor stop being a pussy and you're gonna go back to medical school and you're going to pick up your studies are going to get you a tutor and you're going to perform because we're a Wilson Wilson in our this Wilson family's been Physicians since 1820 your grand Homme in immoral the Wilsons have been physician he made people bite down on a leather strap before Amnesia he sawed off legs and he kept those people alive you want to play Bongos you little fuck yeah people get mad but my pet bias is towards my kit like likes of iron like when we was back in England like I was aware of like grandparents or whatever reacting a spiders and stuff going are spiders are scary I'm a dumb fucking teach him that spiders are scary

I want her to think of things as scary tell her that the spiders are cool they're all right there's something you know like so and you're aware of familial influence like they want to the hair to be a certain way they wanted to wear something they want them to like yeah part of the veganism is like if you make these kids vegan at least now I know where ever they go there's gonna be so many restrictions on their food I've not made the kids vegan then your fate with a heavy day one it's up to them you know thank you where's my gold star where's my ticker tape parade but like so but like you know I but I don't know what we don't know our own biases we don't know what where we've been institutionalized you know I'm worried because how do you know the very nature of the unconscious is we are not aware of it so I suppose in a sense a could continued open-mindedness and our willingness to change must be part of any dialogue to go into these addressing General I might not actually know what that's why I'm not when I was 20 if you decide about the hunt in I'd be like oh no man did it like now I'm at yeah Jesus there's so many ways of seeing

the world there's so many ways of looking at what's natural and what's correct I'm you know what do I think with hunting hunting is like many things in that there's no real clean answer there's no yes or no good or bad because you could think there is but then you find circumstances like wild pigs or invasive species like I go hunting on a place called Le nain it's one of the small islands of Hawaii hmm there's somewhere in the neighborhood of 3,000 people and 20,000 dear it is so over populated with deer and they have to kill them they kill them every day they hire snipers they hire people kill people are slamming and with their cars I mean they're fucking everywhere and they're Axis deer they're not even from there they're from someone brought him over from India to give to King Kamehameha and like the 1800s they're animals actually that evolved to get away from Tigers so this is insanely fast beautiful deer that are everywhere they're forced to kill well the good news

is the people that are low income people the island always have meat there's meat everywhere everyone can hunt it's really easy to find them you can you could find them and if you you know if you want you can go kill them yeah I've got no moral judgment about that you know if there's rats in my house what I'm not going to put down poison I'm going to go but that's the thing right every now yellowish you should probably feel bad about killing a rat right as a vegan I do feel bad about us what about everything I'm hungry what about my joy yeah I wouldn't I wouldn't swap mosquito even bathe in the day even the Dalai Lama even the Dalai Lama low I see him he went like the first time a gentle brush the second time a harder one first time smack the Dalai Lama like you know that the Dalai Lama gives them free chances then you're out you might be reincarnated as so bad can I go for the deeply yeah sure go ahead man it's almost 3 o'clock already believe it or not

God I like when standing up has made me realize the pressure my bladder was under he's such a character is neat he's got these incredibly long rants you know but he's so self-aware and introspective he's always analyzing himself trying to find if you doing right

I get a kick out of these celebrity dudes doing Jiu-Jitsu to I think it's hilarious it's awesome it's cool it's cool to hear him talk about it you tell you know the struggles with it just saw someone else that they just started I can't remember who it was someone famous yeah might not be relevant at all but I'm trying to think Demi Lovato's like a purple belt or some shit she's been doing it for a long time Russell who I've trained with it rustles of legit blue belt I rolled with Russell and I was like Wow Russell really knows Jujitsu he's actually doing the right stuff here it's hard it's hard for someone to go from a place of where a guy like Russell Brand is handsome beautiful famous man who is got some strange plumber sitting on his face he hanging on his arm description of it is awesome filled with bow feces in his bowels and yeah

the veganism stops for the birds though sorry vegan people to eat eggs if you don't want to kill any animals please just find find a good farm that has pasture-raised eggs and see how much better you feel or eat animals they're assholes should find animals that are assholes in the woods only the assholes somebody sent me this horrible video that I've seen many times before of a bear killing a deer in a backyard that deer screaming the Bears tear it apart I'm sure you've seen that before right and he sent it to me and he goes okay now I get it like I didn't think I thought like if a bear got a deer that it would be just oh hey this is just how nature works like no this is horrific violent Act of this animal tearing this other animal part now would you prefer that then a hunter because 99 times out of a hundred when a hunter kills an animal its way quicker there

it's the video it's horrible

it's a horrible video this animal I think it's actually a black bear I think it's either a Grizzly or a color phase black bear but it takes a long time to if you haven't seen the video it's a long one and the animal makes them horrible noises we're talking about Russell returns we're talking about a video that I've seen before about this bear that kills this deer and this guy's yard and the guy films in the deers making these horrible noises and this guy sent sent it to me and he goes now I get it because I get with the wild is actually all about because you don't really see it that much you don't really it's very rarely actually seeing animal killing animal so we have these romantic dignified ideas of what the food chain looks like out there yeah night just brutal I mean I don't try and impose on my dog the kind of conditions that would hold my self to should have an organic garden if you really want to do it right because if you're getting into large-scale agriculture you're buying food from people that grow it they're

and over fucking rabbits and mice and killing things with pesticides and there's no there's no removing yourself from death but just by eating vegetables it's just you don't they have to read also they have to like when with large-scale agriculture there that ground all those animals get displaced yeah you know it's fuck's the whole ecosystem up whatever area they're planting on and then when they roll over it with those gigantic combines and pull up that grain they're chewing up everything that's why vultures always Circle where combines our soon as they have fresh cut the vulture start showing up because they know there's going to be something that got jacked see why did she know that but monoculture is unhealthy they're only resistance to all were in it to having like permaculture and healthier better agricultural models is Commerce and profit that's no no no no no you can't humans which you could have as a community gardens yes yes you could but the only real but like if you start if we start saying hey why don't we not

monoculture anymore because it's unfair and it's unreasonable they go we can't because it's profitable to have it and people won't be able to afford food but all of that is like it you know a sitter sitting interrelated system that sort of grid locked into protecting itself yeah you know like there's a spiritual maxium wisdom is acting on knowledge and that is not the world we live in we know things and then we just ignore it you know like as individuals or as or as you know corporations and as groups and like what I feel like I'm trying to do as an individual was hold myself to that standard like I know that's not good for me to do that anymore I'm not going to do that I'm going to like I'm going to watch myself and I'm going to watch that behavior and I'm going to try and improve you know like I don't want to go like when my first impulse and heading down to the Ribeiro Jiu-Jitsu places I feel nervous I don't feel confident doing it I don't want to go or whether it's like giving up me or whatever but I'm doing these things in a sense as I think these are the kind of improvements I can make now like when you

we almost don't expect that of politics anymore you don't expect us of a political figure to say well listen monocultures having a terrible impact their make some gestural thing wouldn't they they go look we're going to try and control Facebook and Google a little bit we're going to try and reduce emissions this amount now go listen we know that's wrong we're going to do that anymore because the there's too many powerful interest that's why I was susceptible to the vegan documentary you know of course there's the ethical reasons in my opinion for becoming vegan but because it's like the reason that these kind of foods are promoted is because these powerful groups Lobby government and Lobby the group The organizations that set the standards until they shut up and comply you could sort of say that about vegetable based foods to let me see from his power and vegan obviously sucks no no vegetable vegetables just corn just grown up or if definitely my code Remains the Same that is the same you know like you're saying that the reason that is continuing is because it's

Ebola but these ideas aren't going to get explored because we're on One path one teleological Journey like that's sometimes what I feel like when people talk about the Frets of different cultural influence EG Islam for example right now I feel like well we already live in a kind of fundamentalism that's invisible to us because it's all we know we live in a culture that if something isn't profitable it will not survive and I don't think that's how human beings are set up to exist I have this rather lovely anecdote about like I was coming back from a gig and there was a woman like she her car broke down the side of the road I had a driver forgive me forgive me I'm not poor anymore forgive me I had a drive and we see this woman she's better car outside the road a car's broke down and different like it's a nighttime and like few people different people stop and help her the first guy is like it is in England it's like a Polish immigrant guy comes and helps you know my driver's Muslim Giza he's helping I'm trying to help pretty inefficient manner say because you know like if you're a famous person when you go into a situation there's some

times you don't want to be recognized is that I'm just quoting a good to be recognized when you're not recognized at all I always think oh I'm not being at all recognized in this situation no one recognized me in that time so I was just a weird Giza and the side of the road trying to help someone who had a minor accident without any relevant skills then someone stopped with relevant skills he was like a paramedic he took control the situation he was ordering people around you stand here you do this go and get that go and get my head torch he said at one point you had a fucking head torch this guy serious like he was like he brilliantly resolved the situation you know I don't want The Head Thought you mean like a light he had a head talk like I told ya not a torch like a light I'm sorry is he burn easy welding you doing it for hey all right fair enough yeah I just wanted to clarify you spell tires what's that why doing in there that's necessary that's the queen has color have a unit

neat that you to round off the second syllable of color you must have each young Bruce with your color he's a bit thumb color color like we can't even see snooker we say snooker we can't even pronounce a sport that we don't have any yeah I mean it's it's the Burnham catfish catastrophe the way other will burn him burn er no burning hat Birmingham Birmingham Birmingham Birmingham that's right this and this guy had what you would evidently call a headlight but even that doesn't sound right beside the lamp head lamp yeah that's only odd thing to Daniel clinical no no I have one well you got a head lamp in your car yes well you anticipating if you get stuck somewhere man if anything happens you should have a headlamp this is the kind of person that you want pulling over we'll listen when you go hunting one of the things that happens is you're in the woods and when that happens when the Sun goes down you can't see where the fuck you're going you have to have a headlamp how every Hunter has bitten them very far what have a really good

one yeah a really good one yeah lighting stuff up isn't that going to alert the well you're not hunt at night right it was still legal once the sun goes down there's no hunting you have to be able to see what you're shooting outside you shoot a person so you have these fucking sausage rolls lights on your header just to help you navigate through the woods and to spot Predators because of course If You're vulnerable you know and you see giant eyes ahead that are 9 feet off the ground you like oh fuck it's a bear it's a two-way street yeah I'm in it's like hold on the hunters but when it hits ya what happens I've had experiences where I ran into predators in the wild particularly one time in Canada I ran into a grizzly bear and looking in the eyes and wasn't even a big one it was like a 6-foot bear wasn't huge but it looks right through you it looks right through you and so when you run into an animal that's killing shit everyday and it looks at you there's like a demonic look in its eyes I've me I've seen black bears before you don't see that look of a grizzly bear which is you know more

Dori they have a crazy look in their eyes it's really interesting I made eye contact with a couple of predators shark once in a shark cage on like when I was doing that film Sarah Marshall died nine years ago or when in a shark cage and right and they lower you down and you see a shape shark cam told you it's like it's swimming through time it's like it's come from another area looks at you would like to think well fuck you know and like and I was terrified in that cage and let like Ed Norton was there and were the alson they were on that island as well they were mates with people that were in the movie they go in the water outside of the cage other other fucking mine that's insane isn't it let's shock was little and apparently it's not a kind of shot that you see but even the eye contact learning it's fucking teeth I don't even look at it and then another thing I looked at was I was in a tiger sanctuary in India and I like I didn't like the vehicle while I was in this is I should I should have maybe not clear that actually saying comfortable there's a better Jeep over there so I got out of it to transition and my mate goes you know

get in the car now - fucking tiger over there and it was a tiger like only 10 foot away and maybe I'm exaggerating on a 20-foot maximum like if you was near and the way that that thing look I mean because it's so beautiful as well the intensity of being looked at by that fucking creature of some powerful shit you don't want eye contact with a I don't want to look at something that's got like that you can't negotiate with the you can't I feel that you look at me even with a Jiu-Jitsu like I've got that little moment where I go right come on let's go Russ yeah well that I go shooting doesn't care about your mortgage yeah neither does that grizzly bear doesn't care they look through you kids yeah they don't care no it's just but that's all it's doing all day long as killing things unbelievable because that's as true as everything we reflect on it just to ask who gives a shit about your theories don't know what that is so their idea of what the wild is is really based on two things once they're there actual Love of Animals they know right it's like dogs and cats so the game

animals that we know we have this connection with them so we think that these are animals their science projects man those are not animals real animals don't give a fuck about you they in either indifferent to you or they're scared of you or they want to eat you that's real animals the relationship that you have with a dog is like a child like my dog is more like a child to me than he is like an animal I mean he's like my little friend that doesn't get to speak he doesn't talk but if you know an animal in the wild is a competing organism they're competing amongst all the various organisms in whatever ecosystem they're in and either they're at the top or there there somewhere below that and that's just how it goes in every deer is looking around because there's cats and the cats are slowly sneaking up on them every fucking day of the week and if you go in a place where there's deer you best believe there's going to be mountain lions there because that's how it operates and when you see that in the why it's so

rare So Rare to be around that but when you see that in the wild then you get a deeper understanding of what it means to be an animal yeah what's horrific is factory farming what's perverse and disgusting is the way animals are treated when these lives these livestock companies pump these animals in these warehouses and make them stand in their own shit all day and then abuse them and the horrific nature in which there is yeah all that should be illegal ag-gag laws those laws where whistleblowers get arrested those should be illegal those are immoral they're letting people know what goes into your food and those people are being punished for that all that shit is crazy they're being punished because it hurts business yes well it should fucking hurt business you're doing something that we all think is a moral that's how I feel about it I don't think there's anything wrong with even if they if there should be standards and how cows are raised how chickens are raised let them live like actual cows that's beautiful and there's a way that they can do that where people like Chris

yeah from guardians got great guy he has he raised his sheep and he eats them and he even gives them out to people he has butchers that take care of it these sheep are treated like like they're loved or not scared of people and then literally they get walked into this room they have no idea what's going to happen a bolt gets put on the top of their head bang in the lights go out now you could say that should never happen and those sheep should just live forever okay you could I could understand that argument or you could say boy if you're going to eat meat and you're going to eat the meat of an animal that you know how it lived and there was no horrific moments in its life it just one day the lights went out that seems like the best most ethical way to do it maybe even perhaps more ethical than hunting yes because when I'm hunting an animal it's you know it's out there in this is crazy state where it's always looking to get eaten these sheep have no idea they can be eaten they think that everybody's there buddy and then one day

they die yeah man I agree with that you know that yeah there's it's difficult to bring ethics to that that's clearly in my view a matter of opinion some people think that's okay but someone people say they can turn it around on me and say you could do that same like thought experience with people like why don't you just see people want to like hey the person lived a perfect life you put a bolt in the top of their head and bang shut the lights out and then they turn into barbecue look at yeah that's a very pronounced and Vivid why but I would say in a sense we wrote like we're being commodified imprisoned in close they might like the very fact that a law has been made to prevent people regulate in or revealing the truth around that revealing it yeah showing shows where the true bias of this system is in a way I think that one of the cultural jobs this podcast has performed this is like whether deliberately or not is it demonstrates that the old political lines that we used to comfortably abide within a starting to sort of break down because you know

like something like an obvious signifier of a particular type of person IE I go hunt in now we have to accept is coupled with your view that the agricultural industry needs to be regulated and it's disgusting now there are you know there we have complete and total agreement and we both are can see that the way that legislation is set up is biased towards corporate interest commercial interest and profit here and so for me bloody weather that you know Chris Pratt having the own sheep I think you're no problem man what that's not I don't need to spend my time worrying about that I'm a little bit like Alex Jones like with the why we worrying about Flat Earth if they've got them babies and all of that stuff it's like why don't we focus on the things that are making a genuine difference to the way people are living lives yeah yeah and it seems to me that the one of the priorities is in a new Global landscape that we're living with what are the dominant forces and what are the goals of the dominant forces and how detached those goals from the

I have of what you might say are Ordinary People or the majority of people to use a less complex term and what's probably most horrific about reforming the system is that the people that are going to suffer the most of the people that are the poorest so if you think of like fast food in particular right there's a lot of reg really poor people that report rely on fast food because it's very inexpensive if you go and you can get a lot of calories for a small amount of money right but if you go from the fast food restaurant and then you go down the line to factory farming and then somehow know they eliminate factory farming and they say no no if you're going to raise animals you have to have the same sort of standards that we would expect if we knew you if we were there we want pastures we want animals living in the wild we want I mean you know fenced in but like living like an actual animal not this crazy Warehouse bullshit you guys are running well that's going to up our operation cost well then that's how it's going to be so then the beef becomes far more expensive now the beef becomes far

expensive then what a fast food what are the restaurants do well they're going to have to make things more expensive to so who's going to suffer the poor people who's going to suffer with cheap meat and supermarkets poor people that can afford it now - well happens Joey's you stop to put you've started to pull a Fred that reveals the how the fabric of our culture is corrupted because it shouldn't be more expensive the only reason it's more expensive is because everything is put into a capital based ideology we're already I've heard many times on the show you discuss in Universal basic income this is that the beginning of looking at alternative economic models and there's an argument for saying everyone has the right to a nutritious desert diet everyone has the right to a safe home you know so like you know if we start prioritizing those ideas above these organizations have the right to maximize profit we will hold a sec then maximizing profit that's getting taken off the table and then there comes your counter argument about Innovation well I would say if Innovation slows no problem because we've

we've decided as a culture to prioritize housing and nutrition for the majority of people now you can still say that starts to you know that's that's just kind of socialism but I don't think that that can work on ask on a continental scale I think you have to we have to break down centralized systems whether those are corporate centralized systems or national I feel that we these to the time is gone where there's too much diversity like them not to they're probably always was diversity people are different we are influenced by our culture's our schools our education our class I raised all these factors and then to expect us all to live in this sort of single band width of this is what America is all this is what France is all this is what England is people are these two different now but what you know they're does it seems like the standards we were adhering to unconsciously or otherwise is these groups have the right to make as much money as they can and to interfere with that is an American or on British or whether it was because you know beyond National ideas I'm sure so you know for me that's the you pull that thread is the

that will suffer within know we have to rule out the poor suffer so we had so what happens in the end you start to get into redistribution of resources managing and regulating the power of the most powerful people and whenever that conversation starts it gets shut down because conserve even in a capitalist system wouldn't it be more ethical if everybody started from the same starting block well that's what's wrong with the world right what's wrong with the world as some people are in a they have a terrible hand of cards have been dealt you know and my point about food is that the people that are going to they're going to suffer the most are the people that rely on the cheap food yes you'll see that she gets pulled away then a lot of those supermarkets in a lot of those fast-food stores that rely on that factory farm food you know they're going to be in a bad situation things are going to be much more expensive and if things are much more if they make animals live like what is that guy's name polyface

arms Joel's salatin yeah he's a fascinating cat I had him on my podcast before he's sort of a farm reformist and what he believes is that these animals should live just like animals when he has pigs he puts them in a fenced area but he moves the fenced area every day so like the pigs move to a different spot and so they're just constantly forging and eating acorns and but they're you know they're living like a pig they're living in a church they're not living in some crazy Warehouse yes it does same with his chickens he has this mobile Chicken Coop but he moves it from pasture to pasture and this is how he operates his entire Farm yes it seems again the appointments been we've talked about earlier that we ought to like if we look at like no one knows what's right so perhaps what we could try and do is replicate what we do naturally and so there is an argument that naturally we do hunt there is an argument that naturally we do eat me there is a natural growth

too though right an argument that little saying like getting into organic gardening if you have your own garden man mean that is like one of the most Karma free things ever if you can figure out a way to have your own compost your own garden and you don't ever have to rely on anybody else for your food well then you're not participating in that shit at all do you think that the spirit of Entrepreneurship could be turned to designing these systems do you think the only thing that incentivizes people is maximum profit I do too I think the he's possible that people would sit around go how do we organize a society that's fairer and just that doesn't kill people's individualism or creativity or right to pursue different goals or to be who they are and believe who you know but like I feel like there's so much fog in the air people don't know what they actually believe him because there's so much powerful cultural influence so much toxin physical toxin literal toxins and toxicity cultural toxicity you know how are how am I to protect my children from cultural influences that tell them you have to look this way be this way behave that way these are things

call if you're not this you're not a man if you're not this you're not a woman you know like what like you know as a parent I feel the obligation to create an environment where they can grow up to be who they are and inverted commas and then when you sort of scale that up to a society you know how can we start to recognize look is this time to look at different systems for living and I what I feel is people want to be involved in the in the Power Systems that affect them so if you have a group of a hundred people they want a big bow to run their own schools run their own Care Systems running be in charge of their own life not just be some little beam of energy flicked about by cultural forces that they can't reach or touch its alienating and like one of the things in Marxism and that you know and I know very little about this subject is he said that when capitalism reaches a certain point people will be glossed alienated they'll feel like a cog in a machine no one will have no pride in their work know we'll know what it's like to make a whole bicycle and think look I made that you'll just you're the guy that makes the pedals now

cool foam you know now like you know like I don't listen to enough Jordan Peterson to understand that there are limitations to what socialism and Marxism can achieve but just because you know capitalism is better than feudalism that doesn't mean that's the end of the conversation that we shouldn't be looking for fairer better more just ways of living well yeah I don't know of capitalism as the problems but maybe it's how people engage with capitalism maybe it's what people choose to focus on if you're just about acquiring wealth and money some people are yeah they're going to be very deeply unhappy and it's gonna be this weird game of acquiring influence and power to you just have this insurmountable mound of money that you live on top of right I don't think that's a good way for them either I think if we're going to really

we're going to look at this country fairly we have to look at think of all the poor neighborhoods and imagine being born in those poor neighborhoods and imagine being born to place where there's no resources there's no how you live in the fucking mountains of West Virginia those coal mining communities or people it's all just mobile homes and pills and chaos and but just extreme poverty what do you do if you're stuck in that would have you're born to that Clan that's the group you're born into your fuck man you're fucked we have to take our resources and concentrate on parts of America the same way we concentrate on many other problem spots in the world and look at them as like hey man there's a spot where people are fucked we should unfuck them we should figure out a way to go into every single horrible community in this country on this plant ones that are just as bad as some of that you see in third world countries they exist right here in America fix that don't ignore that that's crazy though if

in Detroit if they're in wherever the fuck they are whatever whatever the horrible Community is why isn't there a concerted National effort to eliminate that that's a major source of crime it's a major source of people feel like they got fucked over in life so they want to get at you and take from you because you got that easy Road hey man you're born the fucking suburbs hey man your mom and dad are still together you know hey man your dad as a job but your mom's at home baking it she live like a motherfucking Norman Rockwell movie fuck you man my mom's on crack my mom's a prostitute my life is hell my dad beats me I've been sexually molested since I was a little kid this is the reality that people exist and they don't feel like anybody is coming to help them we need to concentrate on that of the government if the government really cares about us if they're really involved in social engineering and making America better again make those places better those are the places you need to concentrate on not tax breaks for fucking Super Rich corporations it get you in place they make enough money man that's not the problem the money is where

money goes what's it being allocated towards the biggest problem in our country is he's in impossible to escape communities yes that's so many people just get sucked into this trap and for every person that gets out and becomes a basketball player or a successful business person and they have this story about the poverty that they grew up and they they are so rare yes and then it's not to be applauded that they got through that it is but it's more to be we should understand like hey we got a real fucking problem that we're churning out all these people that live with what they start out in life with a massive deficit start out in life emotionally fuck physically abused they start out with everybody around them is a loser everybody's going to jail everybody is a constantly doing pills or this or that they're the it's all negative and to to ask them to develop their own positive mindset uniquely in a vacuum it's Preposterous yes all these pull them up by your bootstraps all those assholes hey you got to pull yourself up by your bootstraps like they don't even have boots man you don't know

stand like you don't know what you're talking about you've never seen it you never been involved in that kind of poverty it's not fair it's not fair it on if we care about people that's we should fucking care about yes I couldn't agree more the number one problem and it's everywhere in the world all the all the crime and poverty will imagine if everyone the lowest you could live as like a middle-class existence boy everybody would all be a lot more fucking relaxed really if you always had meals you always had food you always had a roof over your head everyone lives middle-class holy shit I mean obviously that's way past the expectations that we have right now for the world because like $34,000 a year globally puts you in the world one percent you know I mean that's the if you make $34,000 a year which is hard to live on man yes you you're in the 1% of the world but that standard that you've so very eloquently described is I think achievable and that will be the aim and when you give just one example

Paul of how legislate the bias of legislation is continually to support the powerful while making the just making nominal gestures to Poverty good way of putting it yeah little gestures like what you put that yeah and like so that if there is a point to Nation if there is a point to a flag and our belief and this idea that there is an America and there is a Britain and we're all together and we are all one and we got a common Destiny in a common past then if we're not if we're ignoring and neglecting those communities then I say that is what defines us you know and until there are systems codes regulations that prioritize that we will continue to live in something heading to what if not a dystopia so I think moving in the direction of dystopia where the priorities and dreams are sort of owned really by the kind of mad Evil insect robot images that we'll see in disgust that people do get very concerned when someone reaches a point of excessive power and influence

like a Jeff Bezos type character when you see some guy who's not he doesn't have a million dollars like you oh wow guys got a million dollars or he must be so relaxed that's so much money no he's got a hundred and fifty billion and he works everyday maniacally and he's constantly doing new projects and new things and buying out Whole Foods and that's like Pinnacle capitalism is one of the things that scares people the most when someone just acquires just insane position of power and wealth like like a Bill Gates Type character who is very altruistic very very generous Bill Gates is accused of one of the better examples of someone who gains a lot of money and then does a lot to help people especially in his retirement all they do is focus on charitable organizations and yeah which is brilliant Bob and I mean a marvelous and you know I'm not criticizing the great achievements of brilliant people but like it but it's really for me that demonstrates the limit that the limitations come from the type of systems we live in that you can't throw

charity affect every impoverished community in America you know like we the systems that we have our well if you're poor like that you know the bootstrap model will this guy did it look at this great guy who overcame the odds you know until like I feel like in a sense charity has become a kind of valve that allows a you know people like you and I who aren't poor to feel like well I do a bit you know I'm sort of involved I can wash my hands of it when you know like what these unless we there is no America there is no England unless we have integral relationships with one another only support one another all right team if we really are on a team we see someone who's completely downtrodden who's on our team and we ignore them well that's not much of a fucking team is it no I mean that's what I feel like when it comes to red lights and I see homeless people I feel terrible I'm like I feel like you know I mean there's part of you is like don't give them any money because they know they're going to just buy drugs yeah let him figure it out but then they're not going to figure it out they have mental health issues and I

back out here and they're supposedly on the team they probably born in America they probably have National citizenship here you know they this is our team and no one gives a fuck that they're camped out under the bridge it's like the the diffusion of responsibility that comes with these massive numbers 20 million in La 300 plus whatever it is now was like 320 in America yeah it sounds believable I think there's 90,000 in the general California it like a city's worth of homeless people isn't it it's not difficult for me to envisage that when we talk about the Transcendent states that can be achieved through meditation and psychedelics meaning that beings like us can access them is not difficult to envisage human like a type of creature type of being a little more evolved than us that would look back and say oh my God they allowed homelessness they allowed those impoverished communities a why was it oxide this belief in competitive systems and survival of the fittest that were resourceful um ideas that weren't really meant to be translated into that we were talking before about like the natural

it is fraught with competition and threat of course is that is animals that you know I'm not disputing what you're saying there but we can't transpose that into an economic system survival of the fittest if you ain't got enough hustle and bustle fuck you you're down by the wayside you know here we have an obligation to Aspire to the better parts of our nature not to continually use materialism and rationalism to justify that 20% of the population you know or whatever was energy is are just garbage or just waste and there that's affordable we can a court we can live with that it's for me it's that's why would we once we have the knowledge that oh yeah we shouldn't be farming in that way oh we shouldn't have social systems all of the answers always the same because if you were to change in that area it will affect the interests of the powerful it will affect impede the ability of certain organizations to make profit now I'm you know I'm not talking about your I don't know the Lexicon enough around socialism and capitalism and Marxism and various forms of social organization I'm just talking about my assumption that we're all resource from the same basic material and phenomena we all have compassion and love in US

and if we on an individual level can achieve some level of access to that then we can start to organize ourselves on that basis not on the basis of well what's the most I can get as an individual it's rational for me too I'm not involved in that that doesn't affect me personally you know I think it's a hard thing for us to hold I think the reason we all do just live with homelessness and the only decision we make is do we put a couple of dollars out the window at the light or not then like big it's hard to hold that it's hard to love more than a hundred people there's no fix like there's no as an individual but not as not one person and even collectively as a group when you have mental health issues unless you want to institutionalize those people yeah but then who here's the thing right if everyone has a unique and if everyone has their own ideas about what to do with their life and everyone has Freedom what if you just don't have enough people that are interested in mental health of the homeless people you just don't have enough there's no resources guarantee Brazil she's yeah that's a big question

our systems are biased in a particular directions money with free of government funding do you think that they could cure homelessness one of the advantages of got of being a drug addict is it means I have to help other drug addicts as part of my own recovery this puts me into areas institutions groups facilities where I'm meeting drug addicts and always what you'll find the people that work there is always someone like a man or a woman most often in my person experiences a woman some matriarchal woman full of mother energy that just will do this shit forever for free for nothing that just loves it that's just put herself like my grandmother did or my mother did I'd like these women do between people in the gutter they're just willing to say I'll be the person I'll be the person in La at Friendly House it was a woman called Peggy Albrecht that used to run a play Friendly House reserved for women that have got drug and addiction and abuse issues and like this woman she was from Chicago she was 90 years old by the time like I'm actually so rude and Brilliant and beautiful and entirely willing to dedicate herself and I think every Community everywhere everyone knows people like that and

let the same way as like if it is someone that has got a great capacity to play basketball will be a comic like I think that when you spot those people that you encourage them talented and help them people get the talent of compassion and like you know that but we don't value that unless it's like unless it could be turned to a profit fuck off all of those organizations like those organizations that help people with addiction issues you know like they are maligned and like the people that profit from the opioid crisis they are supported they are able to conceal as John Oliver brilliantly revealed they they're able to conceal their practices continually the invisible bias is in the direction of profit and like the failure of certain types of socialism doesn't mean that's the end of the argument I think we have an obligation to look for ways of accessing our own higher nature better nature kind of nature call it what you will and seeing how we can organize that as an individual you can do so much even if Bill Gates can fucking Elena cure malaria and make the significant charitable Dana these impressive powerful people

make a meaningful difference then clearly this is a systemic problem well there's also the problem with homeless people and that they're adults when you become an adult and you develop from the time your child it's probably very likely that the damage was all done while they were young they're probably abused and neglected and there's a lot of issues that led them to either have mental health problems or they had mental health problems already maybe they have genetic problems then on top of that there's drug abuse for each one of those people to get well you're going to need a massive amount of folks you're not going to have one old lady who's rude brilliant that's a cute movie never that's 20 people leaving this in that case a good movie write that down write it down yeah who would be the woman I don't play they don't wear some show what did like the one that was out of golden curls Estelle Getty she's still available I thought oh God Rap be white store Betty White still hanging in there yeah but would you book a movie around her stink hang on

how do we going to fund this yeah it's now you're right load this limitation to the individual but that that's not like crash this optimism in the crib now Joe because I know that optimism but I'm saying the logistics of it would almost be insurmountable and it's very hard to fertility you is not an objective thing it's a thing that's been biased over time sort of once a person has developed once there are a human it's very difficult to turn that Trend around yeah if we can save the community and save the future like help like less people get through fucked help let help more people get through with hope and with a real possibility for improving the life versus have this sense of hopelessness that many are confronted with that's going to make less crime I agree that's like that's just if if they if someone looked at it from a social engineering standpoint I'd almost seems like they were the only way they would ever have to happen would be there's be some fucking catastrophe that force people to act

we sometimes need something that's shoved in our face to force us to act but if someone brilliantly calculated the amount of resources that it would require and then also brilliantly calculate how much less crime it would have how much less how many more Innovations because people didn't waste their lives in fact they got through life and used one of the most valuable resources we have which is the human imagination and creativity and Ingenuity like and we're missing that on these people that are growing up in these horrible environments where they can escape they're so fucked from there in gangs there you know the crime and poverty and violence they're so fucked that whatever genius they have is wasted on this nonsensical existence if they could just show that in quantify how much that would be how valuable that would be to the overall culture and community of the of the continent and ultimately of the earth mean do you would have a reason to engineer think about this yes a beautiful that is really beautiful and it's

you're saying that the way that I agree with you that it's almost has to at some point be translated into monetary value because otherwise people don't seem to read it yeah and safety for everybody for them who live in these horrible communities wouldn't be great again if everybody lived like a middle-class person the idea that that's impossible seems so insane it's almost seems like well then nobody should live like that then like either everybody should be able to live like that or nobody should believe that that was like that's what everybody really wants right you want to be comfortable like it in terms of like your ability to exist and then all the things you're doing that you struggle with should be a good percentage of them other than emotional and friendship type things should be of your own choosing you choose to take a difficult path you should you choose to take an adventure you choose to try to enrich yourself with this difficult experience in the challenge of it and try to overcome that challenge instead of you your challenge is not to get killed by a gang you know your

is not get fucked by your uncle again you know what I mean I mean this is what people have to deal with and you're missing these Brilliant Minds they don't get this chance to come through and and sneak through that fucking salmon ladder you know get up to the top this very beautiful that you're passionate about this and I think popularizing these ideas is important because I feel that then people will be familiar with this kind of language and will recognize that when there is political discourse how fat it and empty it is the people will say you know like I think in the last election in your country it was clear that there was no one no one is saying that no one no one is standing on a political platform of you know what everyone should basically be I live a middle-class lifestyle there's no reason there's enough resources we can do this we could organize Society on that basis because that's considered outlandish and crazy and we're so there's so much I can again

it with your imaginary litter that listener that would consider this pontification there's so much anger I can I feel that a lot of political events that have occurred in the last five years are the manifestation of a social Rage of people that are pissed off with not being heard a pissed off with a cultural conversation that didn't include them and that they feel angry and I want to help other people fuck knows but you know that that resource is becoming to nurtured and grown and it would I feel people would feel tremendous relief to let go of that just to feel like this and it's all right for you to be you could we be a little more aspirational and a little and consider what our goals are consider what progress looks like to us is progress the terrifying robots or is progress considering Elevate in the lowest among us to raise the standards people could just understand that this this is not forever you don't there is no such thing as Forever This is a temporary thing

you've gotta try to eat as much good out of this as you can and to go against my point you know there's a real problem with people being lazy people are lazy there's not an equality of effort the idea of equality of outcome like people want you know income equality but there's no effort equality that's just a fact there's people out there that are just they work harder they're smarter they're more focused they less distracted the more dedicated they have a better plan they've got a through better and they become more successful and the idea that they become more successful than you because somehow or another there's some nefarious actions of foot well that that negates another possibility which is your lazy cunt that's a possibility yes and what do we do about those people I tell you this I've got a plan for the lazy lazy Island the whole place is a bit like Pinocchio's donkey land no arcade games though they're too lazy I feel like I'm well I consider this that people that don't have a lot of Lifeforce like

gee I feel like it's a gift to be a person that's got a lot of drive to be a person that's like I'm fucking going to achieve this shit like that some people are a little lethargic and don't have a lot of energy I feel there's a kind of despondency we could break that down in a thousand different ways is it poured diet is it poor Role Models is it poor social conditioning who are these lazy people we genes could be week June Stephen week Gene so then we'd like in the territory of disability so it will have you look at it I think you end up at a point of compassion I think if you sir I think we should start at the point of compassion because other would like what is tolerance if it isn't the tolerance of people that we sort of can't understand as long as they carry their own weight we usually don't have a problem with it but when they're so lazy they just Juke the system and screw people over and figure the way to scam through life yeah but I think those people don't exist only at the bottom of the social ladder I think they exist at the top and the effect there is worse that you don't know about the present United States this is my country motherfucker you better be

politely met your president and I do found him to be delightful yeah there are still figuring so fairy so sweet again like I say I don't judge me down there I interviewed him about five years ago I was doing this I was for it was the present for the penny was okay but let me near him and he's presently I want to be I got over the fence let alone the wall I like it like he yeah he was sort of sweep I remember thinking what I felt was why are you don't have no intellectual curiosity that's what I felt well that's why I felt I felt like it was some sort of liked him he was nice and his staff at that big tower they all loved him but maybe think about the Curiosity and I don't think he's been very genuine that great make America great again do you I don't ladies where's that everyone should be middle class we're going to start reorganizing Society reaching out into Detroit and in a crash mining towns in West Virginia where's that other than was you ain't making America great again that's true that's true but think about how we were talking about Dave Chappelle but one of the reasons why he's so great other than the fact that he's smart just talented and all these good things is that he knows

he does and he does it right in his wheelhouse he stays in there Trump's will house is making giant gold buildings with his name on them and spray tan he knows the fuck to do and he knows how to make money and he doesn't give a fuck about all that other stuff because that other stuff is wasted energy for him his energy is in focusing on how you get more buildings with those giant gold Trump letters on it and no one can argue that it's been a tremendous success is obviously one of those hotels the water bottle had his face on it you know I mean he's amazing incredible is one achievement they are we drinking been side of his face but that's his thing right it's like why is it okay for your thing to be tennis and that's all you know about I don't even pay attention to politics why is that okay but when we see a guy like him we have a problem with it because he's not his intellectual curiosity is only about money so it's even grosser I agree listen this show are the to return my point I wouldn't waste time judging anyone as an individual because

imagine if I were to spend time examining Donald Trump's past his relationship with his father the conditions he grew up in what he felt we had to do to be a good person I would imagine I'd go yeah of course but what I would query is a system that elevates that people like that and I you know the T position incredible power like and you know again I believe that it's systems that need to change no individuals and I think we've overly fetishized politics I don't live in this country so I don't know if it's much worse under Trump I've heard something that sounded really bad than it was under Barack Obama but what my more my general belief is you ended it don't fish eyes individuals and get distracted to think about changing the system because you are not getting that middle-class lifestyle for everyone neither no one's offering that Bernie Sanders isn't offering that no one's offering about and unless someone's offering that what's the where why should we get involved have you ever talked to a columnist about like what is the problem with stuff like people that are you know more socialistic minded they'd be more socialist minded I guess but

understanding of capitalism to the point where they could point out the flaws in allowing this infinite growth model where someone gets to a point like a Jeff Bezos or something like that what would they do to mitigate that you're not going to put a cap like that's when people say that like you're going to pay seventy percent in taxes over 10 million dollars I was like one of the ones that was banded about people to start laughing like you're out of your fucking mind no one's going to do that they'll get to ten million dollars and then they'll stop yeah it's stupid it's that's I think a very limit in system and I feel that the problems are broader than that I think that the like did you ever sit like that you know if you ever watched these Bannon talk that he's a man like you know someone I would again not politically agree with for what it's worth but when he's description of what happened in that economic crash of 2008 and the decisions that were made further you know American taxpayer to bail out the light financial industry and I've seen subsequently seen a documentary that said look this is why we had to do that these were the options but for me that is a demonstration of capitalism

apparent failings and limitations but we're not talking about a system that is Flawless and perfect it's pretty fucking flawed aside from the human collateral damage and that you have again describe the the communities that are impoverished and without hope and living in poverty in a kind of slavery you know it even in itself doesn't work according to its own rules as to the artificially sustained and reboot it when it inevitably fails so the pure sine of it is that the fact that no one went to jail for the subprime mortgage crisis yeah those guys didn't go to jail all those guys that with real financial analyst we're looking at it from a distance then we're going I see where this is going like this is going to blow up and a lot of people going to lose their houses like you guys are assholes like yeah then there was a lot of people that did engage in those predatory loans and didn't get punished those those guys the craziest thing is a lot of them got bonuses yes that's right they got bonuses even if the bank I've bailed out and they said the bonuses are part of their contracts and if they did not have their contracts that have a hard time hiring these people and it would be chaos and they do

just made a reason why they had to give them millions of dollars in bonuses yeah when they failed you get a bonus and you failed like your bank failed and you still get a bonus like you knew about those predatory loans you knew about those you do about the subprime mortgage bullshit that was going down in your business and you just let it ride and now you're going to get a you're going to get a bonus what's the bonus for wait yeah what would you have to do to be fined if that's the that's the bonus is just going to be jailed yeah I mean just think about what they're doing a Julian Assange right they're throwing that kind of jail somewhere I didn't look good that Embassy move no but I mean the fact that what he did was released information that everybody found very interesting and what they did is Crash the whole fucking economy right he could that he was able to write that Embassy idea for as long as he cuz it's not actually in another country is it it's in London I know it I went to visit him in there as a matter of fact just briefly popped in so anything's going to happen

with him well I think he's gonna end up serving a pretty lumpy prison sentence somewhere isn't even for things are going to get them on though like what are they going to charge them on your charging on like hacking charges or some shit now which they didn't charge mon before right that what's emerged and he's going to be extradited to this country is that true well I mean again I suppose this is what happens if you challenge the interests of the powerful if Trump was really Trump really want to get people on his side he pardoned them do you think that that would be popular because I someone like that Edward Snowden is it like look I'm sort of that obviously I think don't put the lives of people at risk that are in compromised military positions that seems like a fairly obvious thing but like I don't think they did that but no it doesn't what I understood was they got hacked and someone else released the documents without the names redacted yeah it seems to me that few weeks never did that Edwards at Snowden it seems to qualify for a hero in pretty much any way you look at it in so 26 year old person making that decision and yet very brilliant you know I've heard him I think he was on the

grass Tyson's podcast they talk to him wow skyper however they did it but did you see in citizen for there's a bit like in that film about it what's known citizen for there's a bit where it's just come out and he's talking to the journalists or filmmakers that making the film it's going back and watching with this phone you can't leave that like everything's like in the sort of a state of mad Enlightenment where he's just seen the truth of their listening to us now you can't fucking have that on you gotta let him go like this terrifying to watch them because you know obviously now he's calm down he's dealt with it he understands that you know but it was like a person that was emerging from having seen the other side of the Matrix yeah many many he was deep into it and then when he revealed all the information they had a fucking they were had a Manhunt for him the guy to hide out in Russia he had a seek asylum in our enemy yes the whole thing is so strange yes I who do our power structures actually support if someone tells the truth to the population they have to flee to Russia if someone talks about improper agricultural practices that's against the law they can be in prison that it starts to reveal that the state itself the very thing that we Revere the very thing that we

I is the tool of our oppression who want to discourage people from leaking information that makes them a Carboy it's that simple yes it's that simple if you look at what information he leaked and what it did well you know what he did was revealed things that everyone wanted to know about yeah we felt were crimes it makes me feel that it's as simple as if you knew what we do in order to keep shit running you would Revolt so we are never going to let you know well that for me in a sense is a pass the stuffing will hold on fucking hell are you I thought you are elected officials you're one of us but no you're above us to the point where someone leaks information about your crimes they get locked in this Embassy for seven years like what is their crime exactly in comparison to the crimes that he's revealed yes like that's where it's crazy the when you look at the balance the imbalance between what his crime

and the crimes that he's revealed and he's revealed some staggering crimes and no one's concentrating on that the government is not freaking out we got to we've left obviously we have work to do we have corrections to make there's none of that talk there's get that guy talk yeah that's right and I mean like it's so under the veil of patriotism a lot can be concealed and that is a an incident that passes through several administrations so like you for seven years yes it makes you feel what is the what are the difference is you know like I kind of you know sort of been on Bill Maher show I like Bill Maher I'm up I'm you know very simple Vector left we know that ultimately Beyond lift lift Wing I'm you know trying to my belief is that we should try and organize a system based on hallucinogenic experience for fuck sake there's there's no party for me and I'm not even allowed the fucking hallucinogens so like you know so like I'm like you know I'm not a right wing person it's safe to say but like I feel that so many of the problems that we are experiencing now is because the

that Democratic left wing liberal organizations stopped serving the people they were in the case of the British Labour party designed set up to serve they neglected them they abandon them you know there are white weight or the white working class in Britain were 50 60 years ago told hey there's this thing called Britain we want you to go out there and fight and die for it give up your son's get out there and now they're told hey there's no such thing as Britain and like yeah they're so no wonder people are confused no wonder people are baffled no wonder there are abandoned constituencies and despair and rage and I feel that in a way cause it's like what is patriotism resource from a sense that we all need to belong that we want to be together that you know that we're willing to believe in a fictional idea a flag and a story about the you know the origin of a Nation whether that's an old one like mine or a new one like this one we're willing to participate in that but if those values aren't real if they aren't like if it is we are going to support the most powerful

we will lie to you whenever necessary when our lives are revealed will imprison punished and lie about those people we don't care about the most vulnerable what the fuck is the flag that we are waiving who is it for good point and on that note let's Wrap This Bitch Up good we went out hi we went there was a good one that's a good way to end it Russell you're awesome man I like uh I appreciate you always liked being around you yeah me and your book mentors it's out now your podcast would be available on luminary starting 23rd 23rd of this month so just a few days ladies and gentlemen that's the end of the show thank you everyone for tuning into the show and thank you to skillshare join the millions of students already learning on skillshare today with a special offer just for listeners this podcast you get two months of skillshare for far re that's right skillshare is offering listeners of this podcast two months of unlimited access to over

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