#1341 - Steven Rinella

Aug 27, 2019

Steven Rinella is an outdoorsman, author, and television host. He currently hosts “MeatEater” on the Sportsman Channel & Netflix, and a podcast also called “MeatEater” available on iTunes & Stitcher.

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I got The Joe Rogan Experience trained by day Joe Rogan podcast by night all day going on boats cars which cigars those are not cigars those are marijuana okay I figured might be something like that it's marijuana the outside it's called a blunt that's what the young'uns call it it's auto-return block that looks like a little I thought it was your younger than me of course you know it yeah I'm not a karat gold as you I'm not schooled as you and the illicit even though that's not it's not an illicit now speaking of illicit you guys some meat eater bourbon some elk shank bourbon yeah pairs with it's a good name very the beaver tail

pairs of you know shit I don't think both of those things thanks to you elk Shanks a great name for it because that is like one of the rare Foods if you talk to most hunters like I said if you ever had it elk shank osso buco they'd be like what most most hunters have never eaten that no banana and it was revelatory to find out about it and then it's the thing that I became I started to proselytize you know I found out about eating it because my brother found out about eating it because he has this old cookbook called the LL Bean

it's like the LL Bean Wild game Cookbook by guy named Angus first named Angus if I remember right and he's got a shank like he's got a shank recipe in his book for Antelope shank so we started making it that's the funny thing about wild game cooking that you probably picked up on is that you could you could have everything or you could say like hey here's a recipe for a white-tailed deer heart right and so it'll be like but do you have one for a mule deer heart if I explain this to you before no well they're interchangeable I think that's the other thing so obviously like when we did our cookbook I tried really hard to steer away from things that would be L crespi's DRS bees and just take it from a cut bait hooks look is excellent but have you mess around with many times many times that's great quite a few things from it's really great we got away from saying that like here's an antelope recipe or whatever because it's just like the cut is more important switches all these ungulates like horned and antlered game what it is is more

in the what it came from so by putting elk shank on that bottle I'm kind of like going against my own advice if I just put shank people might not know you're talking about well could be like lamb shank but its just a cool name we're going to do a limited run of those where we write all kinds of weird stuff in there that it pairs well with is it good is this good stuff should try it's five years old we get a taste yeah let's get a good to get some ice and some glass you know I took a long time took a long break from drinking whoo how long I just slowed way down on it when my kids were born started to be born and then gradually me and my wife gotten back into it gradually you know she think yeah you know we have you guys are working together yeah right which is really crazy I know we haven't toasted yanis took a year off Booth wow for know just for like whatever yanis reasons whatever you're honest I can't remember he had some reason for it he had a birthday once and took a month off then he had a birthday and took a year off

he's got four months to go for the end of the year and then he's gonna drink yeah but he says his family I think his wife was explaining to me there's a lot more disposable income around the house now she's like I've realized how much booze and takes up yeah which all those fancy beers adds one holds fancy beer that adds up to that's an interesting thing yeah people don't think about that when you run your tab at the end of the week and then add that times 4 and then add that times 12 that's real money yeah I don't know if you remember you probably like this when you're younger where

the gills it was just it was an impossible you'd have left over booze in your house

you know because every just drank so much right right right like now we're like such grown-ups in our pantry we have like a little liquor section right and you have like oh there's you know yeah I have a wine fridge yeah but in the old days that you couldn't because you just drank it and it's gone right you know

yeah could I want to interview you I want to interview you for a minute okay good

how comfortable do you ever tell your listeners about about the comedy stuff you're working on or do you like to keep a big secret I tell them well some things I don't like to give up premises cheer sir you don't like to give up premises I mean punch lines and all say like a subject I'm working on you know you are don't give up subjects well I want to engage you about a subject of your texting about about the yeah the missionary yeah sure I just don't understand

this is good I know that you will like it I know that you will have

knowing you and how good you are at what you do I know you'll have done it by don't understand how you could have had a novel thought about the missionary yes he got killed just to refresh people's memories of yeah there's an island east Sentinel what's right by my fish actors island called Sentinel Island really yeah no one lives on it I've been passing many times if you have been shot at its North Sentinel Island oh snoring sorry norson allowance and LM I know my shack is e Sentinel North Sentinel you wanted to know it better so you should tell people what it is I want to go to your Shack only a little bit really yeah let's let's it next one instead of a hunting trip let's do a fishing trip I would love to have you have Callen come out there and we'll catch them out but so you what you're not interested bring your family yeah we could do that too we can't take a family approach okay more and more no well you can flip it over because like flipping rocks it's not what's on the rock my youngest loves fishing loves it Rock flip and she loves everything she's really big enough how young is the youngest 90 yeah perfect but no I want to get like

just can't I can't I thought about and thought about it and I can't think not that I don't have faith in you I just can't think of what the cake would be the problem is if I explained it with the take is it would fuck up the bit for people that haven't seen the bit I'll show us your night tonight it's going and I can't wait to go see but I just wanted to explain off are explained off are okay yeah are you feeling good about the yeah it's a fascinating subject you know the guy Commander Maurice of a doll Portman you know who that guy is no he was the the Pervert the traveled around from Island to Island measuring guys and taking weird photos well dressing them up yeah Roman soldiers I read the I read a big piece about this which actually sent to you see if you'd read it to ya I'd read you said you read everything about it yeah I'd read quite a few things about it because there was a guy on Twitter as name is respectable law at respectable law and he posted a whole series of things he had actually been studying

this case or this this place before because of this pervert guy and so when this man this missionary showed up on an island and murdered like he knew all about the history of this island so he made like a chain of posts on Twitter which were really interesting informative and then I started going deep into an I read the guys journals the journals were hilarious my little the kid that got killed know the guy got the Pervert the English the English pervert the 1800s probably wrecked like that whole area for those people because they had this idea of what white men are now these people don't have a written language and they just have stories so they probably still have stories of these white men that come carrying diseases and want to touch your dick and measure them yeah so this is a guy he was in the that's why I make sure I remember this right he was in the like skull morphology but was sexual organs well he was it's hard to tell what he was into but it was it's so obviously

it like it seems like he was doing sexual stuff with these people trying to legitimize it by yeah I mean like yeah just measuring them and doing detailed descriptions of their sex organs and you know who's really into that that seemed very important to him and he said he sir he survived the island I guess I was to go with my new my new Laird Hamilton turmeric coffee or the whiskey mix it up back and forth It's really interesting it's like it's like soup yes with coffee in it it's very good for you too like I said that turmeric you know people think of it as Curry because it's a great spice for food but it's a it's a potent anti-inflammatory very very good for you know it's good so I have to wait and see what your take on it is yeah are you I'm almost done interviewing you are you drawn to that are you drawn to that idea I certainly am the which idea do you get that you'd go and hang out and spend time with yes uncontacted people well you've done it in

what part of South America were you at will you well yeah they're not on contact not there seven not on contact but yeah some tribes that like the chime on a and the micucci and Whopper Shawn are all tribes in Northern South America poo have long long history of contact and engagement with the outside world but

individuals who can still very much like hang out with individuals who aren't that old who in their youth were very much like living a hunter-gatherer lifestyle with with a mix of native materials and also some Western Materials this is Guyana Guyana and Bolivia people that you know people that would still make their bows from native materials people that grew up using canoes that were made like hand you know hand-dug dugouts using plant toxins to kill fish but also like you know also other very modern stuff like one of these guys that I really appreciate hanging out with these guys got an email address but I might have told you a story before he's got an email address but he also told us about we interviewed him on our show on our podcast and he's telling me about how their

Greece there white-lipped peccaries aren't around right now because there's a shaman in another Village who's jealous of their Village for being so prosperous and has locked their peccaries up inside of a mountain

and that they're training their own Shaman to free the peccaries from the mountain

and you can shoot this dude an email

so right explain a peccary to people o people here from here with the javelina yeah a javelina is a collared peccary and then there's a no running little troops of now you might see anywhere from 1 to 13 or 14 white-lipped peccaries are a bit bigger and they'll run in groups of two hundred wow yeah they'll ravaged like these these people have a somewhat agrarian lifestyle they hunt fish and also have Farm scattered throughout the the jungle and those come in and ravaged farms and groups of you know like I said groups of 100 200 I should be honest and say I've never laid eyes on a white lip pakery there's a third period choco n or chacoan pakery that is much more rare than the Collard and white lipped yeah picture this Jamie there is no white little fuckers yeah those most don't suppose he tastes a lot better than collared peccaries I've hunted collared peccary he's in in

axis and in Sonora Mexico are they native to West Texas and someone bring them in no no collared peccary is our native okay look like portions of New Mexico Arizona and West Texas so they look similar to happily happily know it is a javelina in a collared peccary the same damn thing okay they got you'd appreciate this because just knowing your taste they have a large breast with a nipple on the top of their back like what would be the neck of your ass has a nipple whoa that's her scent gland so it's an actual nipple that someone nurses from nope it's just a scent gland oh I'm sure your trusty Jamie Jamie can find a nipple on the back of it yeah you'll find a picture they somehow related to pigs no nothing like people like to think they are but they're not wow oh there it is yep see that

yeah javelina debts when you clean them you need to cut that away because it really like stinks to high heaven is it like at our house of Glam yeah same sort of the scent gland very powerful smell and usually smell them well ahead of seeing them and they're really they're pugnacious you know you can call at them with a mimic the sound of a distressed young one and they come in ready to kick your ass I saw that on your show and you and Remy went boom they run at you Remy's got a lot of experience messing around these things it's funny because they're pretty popular like you know they're good to eat but they're much more popular South of the Border Mexico is much more common to eat javelina they'd make sausage out of them and stuff yeah yeah the grind them up make sausage on the cooked it use various things like you know I don't know anybody maybe someone's out there that like actually takes like a back strap off of a

Havoline and throws it on the grill but you generally do like preparations with them where you were you cooking with Fair bit yeah you'd have to break down there got to be tough right now they are in couldn't just Grill one you couldn't just Grill on their lean you got to cook them down but you can see how you see what would be popular though it's to me it's a pretty like it's a nice little bundle like of meat right and I think that in some areas especially you know in Sonora and elsewhere people aren't likely to like turn their nose up at good protein sources mmm yeah one thing is like what's one thing is like made for bow hunting because I think that

with rifle hunting and people do Hannah with rifles and shotguns rifles but it's a it's it's a little bit it can be kind of feel like a little bit of a gimme hmm because they're not you have to get very close to them before they're concerned about your presence hmm they're tough they got toss yeah they can kill stuff and rip stuff and they have like a they're almost you think of the most like I would imagine of all the creatures like a snapping turtle is least concerned with things that like a snapping turtle doesn't care about anything until it's within six inches of its face and javelinas cut This Not That exaggerated but kind of have this like their world sort of seems to end at 60 yards but they don't care what's going on outside of that buffer and so so you can kind of creep up to him kind of walk up to him when you see him did they see bad are they like pigs with people who have very poor eyesight they seem to have poor eyesight and having an amazing

Lee varied diet you know they'll eat like I mean if you lay there long enough they would come up and eat you yeah they ain't my friends dog oh yeah huh well my friends friend Doug Stanhope my buddy he lives in he lives in Arizona was in pretty tore up about it yeah well they were you know they hate those fucking things they they they just piled on this dog ate the neighbor's dog and apparently it's not too uncommon yeah it happens flesh eaters yeah they'll fuck up a dog

the weird I well you know that's like one of the things I think it points to the certain amount of sociopathy that I have but

when I hear about someone losing a cat or dog to wild creatures I don't like my initial Instinct isn't to be sad mmm

I see what you're saying you like wow that's part of the because you kind of view you sort of I have this view that

yeah I have this view of the that sort of like settlement and development V Wildlife mmm is a global problem right and one always wins like the destruction of wildlife habitat always wins and then when you see it when you see it play out like that in some ways you kind of like hope like Bryan Callahan who you know yep recently the kid got a young kid is like a nine or ten-year-old girl got thrown up in the air by bison yeah just see that yeah and Yellowstone yeah and by no means is Cal hope to see someone you know especially particularly a child get hurt but he's like you know they still got it yeah you can't catch is closing on a bison apparently got within 15 yards of that thing yeah ridiculous yeah I think I keep the about making a shirt that says Yellowstone National Park habituating wildlife since

seven they do it is weird I've only been once well I went once when I was a kid but I went ones recently with my family and it was very weird that you can take selfies with elq yeah these big herds of elk are so confident that people won't shoot him when they're in like the public tourism area that they just go and hang out near the vending machine yes I'm getting a Diet Coke and there's an elk like 30 yards away from me so strange that's that's a little bit in line with what that's a little bit line with what I'm talking about when I talk about like that when I hear someone's dog got killed by a coyote yeah

you know again man I know like like my brother has this little dog he just loves and they're Inseparable that dog I got carried off by a great horned owl

in a healthy great horned owl could carry this dog off as like a little shit and dog I would feel real bad for him so with that said I do have this thing where you kind of route and I do feel sad when I see like in a place like Yellowstone this is where it gets a little bit weird

when I see and wild animals especially animals that people hunt for when I see that they've lost their fear of humans some people would look and be like oh this is like what naturally they should be like okay so this is animals where they've had to give up their human that where they've lost their human fear because we've given them this wild place I see old timey oh time is T vanilla that's a good dude joffe Arenado call him he's a good guy

people see in like Yellowstone Park atmosphere you see where Wildlife becomes habituated to humans and they feel like they're seeing something more natural right because outside of human hunting they often don't have that feeling anymore I look at that and I see that it's like to me it feels like something's been subverted and something's wrong with that situation yeah because it sort of depends on how fresh your perspective is because I mean people have been hunting you know people have been hunting in that area I mean at least 10,000 years so then we take like a hundred year break and the Animals become very accustomed to people it's shocking how quickly they can get it back and often times those same elk that live like the same elk that will spend their summer in that Park will migrate out of there and going to National Forest and on Ranch Land and then they'll be where they can be hunt and they know they cross that line so the same else some do could basically walk up and touch there

we'll just something in his head switches and he enters and they enter into a new mind space when they leave and they're still exposed to human predation and if they wind you they'll bolt oh yeah it's shocking how it's shocking degree to which they the degree to which they can keep this together and their heads and it's also pretty surprising how quickly they adapt like I would imagine if you were to open up

this would be pretty controversial idea about throw it out there let's say you were to open up hunting and Yellowstone National Park I think that it would probably be less than a year I think like a season of fall hunting season would have them right back into the same mindset that all the other

animals that live with human predation they're sort of attitude toward people I think the very quickly get it back no make sense but yeah people going up and padding stuff again like referring to Cal his ideas that like

people have gotten to where they confuse national parks of the amusement parks and they feel that the animals are like on Rails you know their entree yeah that is and it's like they're programmed to do a certain thing well so wow it's one thing that I've discovered over the last seven years thanks to you and thanks to you getting me hunting is it most people have no idea what it's like to be around actual Wildlife to sneak up to them no most people have no idea about their sense of smell like to see an animal wind you and then just fucking bounce the to see that and to know that like you're dealing with some superhuman ability some like impossible to imagine with the confines of your own biology what these animals can do and when you're when you're out among some others no cell phone service and there's it's just Footprints and trekking your way through mountains it's amazing

I mean it's not Yellowstone is what Yellowstone is and with anything like that and zoos is the worst example right but when we think of animals like people always tell me like like because you know I have a famous dog run with them all the time and he's on my Instagram and like everybody loves them he's the sweetest dog in the world they like that dog if you love dogs how could you how could you hunt animals and I'm like well that's that's not he's not an animal he's a dog he's a pet he's is a science project an animal is a wolf and animals dear that's an animal what a dog is they don't survive outside of us if you don't take care of them they won't know what to do they'll hope that the dog catcher comes and gets him and somebody rescue them they're not wild animals it's not and has it almost has less to do with how they're raised and more to do with their ancestors like their their biology has changed they've literally been bred

to something different there are fucking science project yeah let me see my dog's got floppy ears he's a sweetheart everybody who meets him he drops his back he wants you to rub his belly he's just the sweetest dog in the world that is not a dog I mean it's not an animal there's not an animal like that that would ever exist out in the wild because if he sees another dog he's like who are you my friend he's not like checking to see the things going to steal his food or or Rob him of his mates or your kills babies yeah he's a it's the result of a 20,000 or whatever yeah experimentation with the domestication of an animal yeah so most people when they say they love animals they don't even fucking know any they don't even know what they are they see the caged animals at the zoo they see the animals on a rope that they take to the dog park they think they know what an animal has they don't even have any experience with it we've been so domesticated and so isolated and City's most people especially most people that have opinions on this shit you know people that live in rural

Larry has mean you know that you live in Bozeman and Bozeman is surrounded by these areas that are just fucking completely wild I mean if you're in Bozeman you drive an hour from your house and in your around bears and deer yeah Eagles I mean some completely wild place but people that are in those areas people around Boise Idaho for example they have a totally different idea people in Wyoming I have a totally different idea of what Wildlife is versus somebody lives in Santa Monica like there's a video that just somebody sent me today of a guy in Thousand Oaks is on his street and he's filming a fucking enormous mountain lion I mean it is huge it's a big boy it's like a hundred fifty pounds and they're in the car and they're looking at it through the window and him and his son it seems like our film in this thing called holy shit look at this thing it's right there in the street a big-ass cat and he was saying that like somebody was filmed somebody was feeding it apparently and they're trying to figure out what you want

don't you I'll send it to you but this you know that's that's super rare I mean that's a real wild animal it's super super rare that anybody would have any kind of experience with one of these things and most people that are talking about animals that we just really don't know what that even means they're just saying it yeah I think that there's developed a

like a pretty big cultural division between people who pretty big cultural division between people who kind of like live around work around and deal with animals and people who view them or think of them as very other a friend of mine who's a biologist is there you go yeah no no I'm sending you another one I sent it to you it's it's from Thousand Oaks I just sent it to you friend of mine though that's a that's a recent 120 body mine who is a biologist with the forest service guy named Carl Malcolm he might have heard on our show he just sent me a paper that was about kids attitudes to Wildlife and it was comparing rural people's attitude knowledge of wildlife kids with Urban and Suburban attitudes about wildlife and you can see the input of media when you look at this thing because

people who live in an urban or Suburban environment when they tell you the top of Mind Wildlife they know about this non-native stuff

like lions yeah they're likely to know like what's an animal right an animal be like oh it'd be like a giraffe right and people who have a more rural or remote Viewpoint would be are much more likely to look when they think of wild like to think of things that they interact with hmm you know and not like the things that are on your mobile above your crib when you're a little baby and it sort of points and also there's a slight tendency I got to look at this more carefully but is a slight tendency to have negative feelings or think things are dangerous or bad the more urban you are in terms of native Wildlife to more recognize it as like a negative or bad thing and what they're pointing to is again I want to look as much more carefully and pardon me to the authors of authors if I'm messing this up I'll just looking at this morning with her pointing to is the the

stirrings of there being a greater acceptance of decreased biodiversity hmm meaning that you're kind of like okay with the bad things having gone and we're focused on like water animals well animals would be like a draft and hippopotamus and two things that that Disney tells me about and not like possums and raccoons which are kind of gross you know

get the video look at this fat boy by that thing

that's caller didn't it yeah it's got a collar on it that's interesting I could see that better there's a lot of them out here that have collars we got a photo that we just had commissioned and she get here soon right it's huge of the the big cat that they photograph near the Hollywood Sign yeah it looks like it's staged I mean the cat is walking right by the trail camera in the hallway that do this that's on those famous yeah it was in National Geographic yeah that's a good picture yeah we got one printed on stepped up picture right there I mean come on man that is crazy that is a goddamn crazy picture it's a giant cat like the farms in that motherfucker well saggy stomach but it bums me out looking at that collar there was a conversation that you had on your podcast about a shooting but shoot a deer that's wearing a collar and I'm with you I'm with you a hundred percent I don't want to shoot a deer that's wearing a collar I don't care if it's wild as fuck they caught it when I was a baby and they just waited and measured it and then let it go and it didn't have a collar

and I saw that deer I wouldn't think twice about shooting it but if I saw it and it was wearing a collar I'm like I'm out nope totally there's a really funny thing and you might at you probably caught wind of this or know about this is that it's a big deal yeah to shoot a duck with a band on it everybody knows is cool as shit like I know that everybody wants to shoot abandoned most people listen this don't know that it's cool as shit if you get ab and duck why is that well it's a little bit social science because long ago like we used to not understand

this can little bit tricky to explain

we used to not understand how migrations worked because everyone he only knew what they saw

okay and there wasn't someone who was sort of like coalescing all of this information people would know very well like you know wherever you live along the Mississippi River okay and you might know very well that like in November shitloads docks that you haven't seen they have been here all year are coming from the north and going to the South and you knew that very well you knew the docks moved you knew that they move through here but you didn't put all of the you had no way to put all the pieces together

over time what we wanted to understand like animal migrations better one of the early this is way pre collars like GPS collars and pit tags and shit we started this banding system where you could go and catch a duck and it's we're in its nesting area there's like times a year when it's really easy to catch dogs one you can catch them when they're young and you can catch them when they molt so people would go out and put a band on a dock and you'd go you could go up and in the Arctic or the Upper Midwest anywhere and throw a band on a baby duck and that band would have a phone number on it

and you were encouraged to when you got a band of duck it was like they made it be that it was a good thing and you were encouraged to call that 1-800 number

whatever the hell they were before 1-800 numbers and give them the the the band the band number and then we started to really would like great detail map out flyaways how ducks migrated like the docks in on the Arctic Slope and Alaska tend to follow along this path and they tend to end up here at this date and they're down and you know whatever they're down in Texas all of a sudden or they're down in Southern California and there are there hanging out in rice fields around Sacramento whatever the hell did we started to put together this whole detailed picture and it was one of the great achievements and wildlife biology was what we learned from the dark banding system so I think that over time it began like I said it was sort of like social engineering where people were taught to think it was cool and you would wear and band you would if you had a lanyard where you keep your duck calls on the still goes on if you got a lanyard you have a duck calls on any banded bird you get you put that band on your lanyard

Ivan met these Knuckleheads from North Dakota who have a lot of bands on their lanyards from banded Birds they've shot and you be like dude that's a lot of bands he goes yeah not one of them has reported hmm they think that it that it remains more Pier

to do I don't know that's the dumbest shit I've ever seen dumbest shit I wish you guys did like calling anybody want to contribute to all of us I don't know you'd have to have like a calling component to your show and we would call one of these dudes and haven't explained in Greater detail remember thinking like that's the most that's the most fucked up thing I've ever heard but yeah I'm think you'd want to talk to that guy it was like he's like yeah they're all unreported anyways I don't know if it's like an anti-science but will you love to argue did you talk to that guy about this you know it was long ago I could take where I was standing I was in my brother's kitchen to Miles City Montana beneath this crazy chandelier he bought online and I remember everything about it but I don't remember when I if I challenged him on the sense of being proud of having not contributed to our scientific understanding of waterfowl migrations and why it may be look like a sort of anti-government sentiment like some black helicopter stuff okay with Carlos yeah some malicious shit it's cool to have bands and I have like in my sort of I have like a box where I put R important stuff to me

but imagine if you had a box of dear collars dude there's no way five I wouldn't put it to your cock that's not getting as like those are cool but collars are not and we had a friend there's a there's a friend of mine who's a she's a does a lot of carnivore research and other research projects named Carmen van Bianchi which is a cool name but she says that you know I'm someone that collars animals and I even think that she's like when you get one with a collar on it she said it was quote we talked about this the other day it was she's like someone has already got the best of them

did they become tainted when they've been held by someone else and that's a little bit how I view it where like a wild animal you want to imagine it being like the wildest wild animal and once it has a collar so like someone it's all sloppy seconds man yeah well isn't that why the Allure of Alaska so interesting because it's one of the rare places where like if you run into a caribou in Alaska there's a high probability that every kind of person never doesn't even know what you are like you've seen videos of hunters walking towards Caribou with like their bow on their head yeah and the Caribou is like what in the fuck is this they don't even know they think that Bo is a rack their assumption in areas where I've been particularly like look up on the Arctic Slope no that's not true because seen a lot of in the mountain ranges to and south-central Alaska

when they see your movement

their assumption is that your Caribou that's like they'd seen that I can't you know you can't get in their head but there are some ssion is that like I better go check it out and then I'll Circle down when to make sure it's not a make sure it's not a Grizzly or wolf or whatever but they're like you know a something the way is a few hundred pounds couple hundred pounds whatever walking around probably a caribou and they just like come on over they come to you until they can rule it out but they're gregarious they want to find each other and it that sort of thing like winds up and giving you a little bit of a sense of makes you feel a little bit bad form right there did not tuned in like a mule deer is yeah and then you realize it's just like living like that I mean these things are these are things that could migrate you know they migrate hundreds hundreds of miles have you hunted to access to area yeah Axis deer in Hawaii is the most perverse strange but necessary hunting that I've ever experienced yeah yeah

and they don't have that like on Hawaii they're not deal with natural Predators 0 it's just people it's all they're just like they're just very in tune to like their Predator being people yeah I imagine that they probably care the same way that we carry with us and a sort of natural abhorrent so of snakes

you know a natural at horns of spiders I would imagine that they come from a that you probably know a little bit better makes you spent more time with axes here they probably come from a very Predator Rich environment I'm guessing oh originally yeah and it's like India and carry with them a real high strong sense of having dealt with a very efficient Predators Tigers yeah yeah they evolved to get get away from Tiger like they gotta be high-strung they're the fastest things I've ever seen in my life I have videos of one where I shot at this one from 55 yards 15 yards away he sees the Arrow coming 15 yards away from him he's like a dachshund it's crazy it's like they kind of understand that things coming towards them kill them yeah because they are hunted 365 days a year because they have to they're so overrun there's some somewhere in the neighborhood of 20 to 30,000 dear on this one island with 3,000 people and you've never seen her like this before it's crazy I want to bring you it wasn't that when I

hunted them years ago and I remember that the area I had been had been hunted very very heavily

do they come they come Dole's or Heinz Heinz it had been hunted very heavily Stags and my God was the from my from my live very limited perspective from just a small set of experiences that happen over a couple days it seemed like the pressure on the male's had been extraordinary where it seemed like you would see a hundred Heinz purse tag don't know if that's common they're not no it's not it's all remember being like very surprised by that it's almost 50/50 when you go to these areas that are you know in Lanai and apparently the same thing with Maui they're everywhere there's so many of them now he has a real eradication sort of program underway we're just controversial right very controversial but they're also selling it there's they're selling venison sticks and venison jerky and there there's companies that are establishing these

they're establishing these conservation efforts where they're going out and they're shooting x amount per year like 6,000 per year which is like doesn't put a dent on yeah is the goal eradication or is the goal is to limit limit them but they eradicated them from the Big Island somebody had put them on the big island somebody had taken them from one of the other Islands put on the big island and they had spent millions of dollars to eradicate them forgive me stop me if we spoke about this before but there's kind of an interesting perspective that someone gave to me about Hawaii where we have this little you know Hawaii just dominated by non-natives okay I might be wrong about something he's been on think I am bread fruit coconut all these like all the major fruiting trees are non-native and so much the wildlife is not named I mean they have like like surprising should they have wild turkeys as wild cattle pigs Axis deer I'm just like blackbuck antelope run around

horses Chuckers pheasants just they hunt horses yeah yeah I was talking to a guy one time that snares cattle

wow unless he does it illegally or not but he snares cattle my mom's I guess I would call you know technically he'd be my stepfather that feels funny my mom my step father my mom's husband who she married after my dad passed away he grew up snare and white-tailed deer with garage door cable but they said they were like they were farmers and eight is eight and that was sort of his relationship was dear setting snares set and garage cable snares yeah and just using that as a source of food they're just hungry you know for but anyways in Hawaii right

those were count those islands were colonized by humans like 1,100 years ago

and those and so we know we have like native Hawaiians or Hawaiians right and I've spoke with some native Hawaiians who feel that there's this uneasy relationship between what we're regarding and describing is non native Wildlife even down to pigs

even though that their ancestors you know Eleven Hundred Years Ago brought the pig to the island and someone expressed me very simply is like how can I be Hawaiian like I'm native one I damn sure I'm Hawaiian why is the thing that I hunt regarded as a non-native needs to be eradicated

he's like if we really want to talk about non-natives I feel like that would be you right yeah and he was like and he was kind of pissed about this this attitude towards because these are guys that like to hunt need a lot of wild game about this attitude to access to your in this attitude to pigs and you hear the same thing out of Australia your to say anything out of New Zealand which is guys who have this this difficult relationship with the things that they've come to haunt and the things of the sort of been culturally accepted culturally accepted as as Wildlife right where people you know I don't want to use I don't want to use environmentalist here in a way that makes it be that the the hunters aren't necessarily environmentalist but in ways where some people with what they were described as an environmental agenda want to see species eradicated the people have been interacting with 400 years in some cases like in Hawaii and some cases perhaps a thousand years they've been interacting with it on the landscape but then someone wants to come

say we want to get rid of exists not native and it causes like a ton of tension where it creates a weird situation for people in in some of these places is that Hunters have long Justified

their actions to the public is being that we're controlling right we're like controlling non-native so we're doing a good thing but then someone says like oh you know I got in that better idea let's just kill all of them and in the hunters like whoa we know they did that off I don't mean like that there's an island off the California coast I was filled with elk and deer what was it called I don't forget see if you find that isn't eradicated all of them they just machine gun them yeah just helicopters and just eradicated all of them are you familiar with the practice in those cases where they can have a Judas animal yes yes good shit is a great article about or podcast about that from Radiolab well they kept sending this Judas goat thought the Galapagos and he'd find the other goes and liked it that's it they got them all down this Judas goat building where my friends fuck and just keep keep wandering off and you know he's sterile so he can't breathe all 0 and he'd go to find these other goats and they'd follow the collar the GPS on the collar and find the new group of goats and they've

them down to that would begin to wear on a human yeah I don't think goats and entirely know what's going on there there we had a meeting with our kids okay we had a meeting with our kiddo Santa Rosa Island so Santa Rosa Island dude I was just I was there not long ago it used to be filled with elk and deer and people had sort of set it up Santa Rosa Island elk they had set it up Pro Hunters hit Santa Rosa Island I'm so stressed and that case I would use professional not pro murderers dear murderers this is a 2011 so it's a very earlier fairly recent thing with a eradicated all these animals yeah I was just I just not longer fished off they're supposed to be amazing fishing the Catalina apparently is like the greatest mako shark fishing in the world which is a here's a weird one shark fishing all the sudden you're an asshole it used to be with jaws like you caught a shark a good get that fucking thing out of here they're going to kill people now it's like you monster shark

fin soup don't you care about the don't you know this global warming like everything is conflated it's all like piled on together like you what are you doing with a shark used to be able to buy mako shark in a restaurant oh you still see it but there is a there is I saw thresher shark the other day on the menu I did a story I read a magazine story about this long long ago it was like it was right when I got out of school and I was like first like assignment I had to go right article I was writing for outside magazine and just 19 years ago man

there's a thing called Mako Madness and it was the thing in Montauk it was funny about doing this this isn't mm and I got sent out there and never ever been to New York I didn't even go into the city I just flew in to wherever the hell I flew into and got a car and stupidly took a cab to I didn't understand that I was very young I don't understand I took a cab from like the airport out to Montauk oh my God yeah how much that cost and I remember I remember like when I had to turn my expenses people at home what know but I just I didn't know but anyways it's funny because I remember driving along and seeing the is like the summer before and seeing this one is like a year before and seeing the Twin Towers you know it was like my first ever View and I never saw that place again I never saw it again till after but is this thing called make oh man this is like a shark tournament and traditionally had been like a contest to get the biggest shark and they would bet money on it

and there was like the general registration fee so all these captains who had charter boats would join Mako Madness notebook clients on their boats for Mako Madness and when you had to you had to pay some amount of money to this probably still goes on you had to pay some amount of money to register your boat to be in the contest but the real money was in all these side bets called calcutta's and so you could there was enough side betting going on all the various Captain's that the biggest mako could win a hundred thousand couple hundred thousand dollars whoa catch the biggest mako but the sort of the Fatal flaw in this tournament from a public perception standpoint would be that there was a category for just big a shark

and there's a category for like biggest mako so people going out like at a time this is one at this is when shark populations were still you know and globally they're still on a decline but there was still a lot of sharp bycatch from swordfish long lining and other things and there was people were getting very worried about shark stocks and shark numbers and at one time may go man is there's a lot more makos that people be register Michaels but there had been some years were Mako Madness had no makos people were bringing in a Mako so everyone would go out and just they make damn sure that like I don't want to come back empty so they would catch a blue shark because if no one caught a Mako you still might get biggest shark from catching a blue shark and at the end of the same man they had dumpsters they would not don't they have they would fill a dumpster

with blue sharks and no one with you dude it would know it would go into a dumpster you can eat blue shark yeah well you can they're high in urea and as you know it's like everything else like yes you can tomatoes the most edible Mako Thrasher can you eat a great white you know it's funny about great whites is there's a guy as a writer I love and he does all these Fisheries guidebooks named Vic Donald I don't know if he's dead or alive by got all of his books he's got like golf Cole's Pacific Ocean land of course he does he's books like it's like all the fish that you're likely to catch

kind of like how to catch him then he what I like about he's got like a quad food quality section and his food quality sections are really funny and like the highest praise you can give some like excellent or one of the best right so you look up snook gonna be like one of the best his headline for great I looked in great white sharks as don't even ask but people feel that they be good because salmon shark good these comp or beagles like salmon shark have a very good reputation and makos have a good reputation and Threshers have market value and there's other sharks and other areas they have market value but those ones are like are ones that are popular table fare the assumption is the white that great white sharks would probably be good must be somebody's eating one oh I'm sure there's plenty people to beat them but at this Mako Madness thing I can't remember the point I was getting at what the hell was I driving at but time on Mako Madness oh in this article I got into the history of we're like shark hunting and killing sharks came from is

you're from the Jaws right well sort of the shark fisherman character in Jaws is based on this like very real dude Frank Mundus and Frank Mundus used to fish out of Montauk and at a time Montauk was his Premier destination for be catching swordfish and big bluefin tuna and as those big pelagic Fisheries had claps from overfishing in the 70s Frank Mundus he'd go out and he'd just go out and find a you know he'd go out famously he would go out and find a beach whale or not a beach whale but a floating dead whale and he'd anchor up on that whale and catch big ass great whites and then come in and hang the bloody carcass up on the docks and he made necklaces with tooth sharks and shit and he became like the monster man or something of the Monster Hunter and started booking all these crazy trips were tourists to come like holy shit I want to go kill a big monster and he's credited with having created this like culture of like going out and getting a as fed him that's Frank Mundus let me see that picture

left dude so yes yeah he kind of like built this idea of like shark hunting and Bush and my shark bite in his forearm going back to that now the interesting things left shit for him something took a bite out of that motherfucker yes he's got the necklace yeah the dead shark and Frank Mundus kind of like like spawned this sort of thing where you want to go out and catch a big shark and hang it up and then throw it in a dumpster wow and people look at like when people look at that history they look at it being is like it's like in some ways Mundus and shark hunting was symptomatic of declining Fisheries look at that picture of him in the dude with from the movie there's so similarly that the black and white in the color next to each other look at that oh yeah

what was that guy's name you got in the movie can't remember what the actor's name that guy was fucking awesome what a great scene you know Moe found yeah

that's those favorite movie I think it's great mood dirty loves job it's interesting that the narrative could be the next time you see him have him convince you that jaws of the greatest movie ever great movie it's a great movie Richard Dreyfuss and come on The Narrative of shark's fin soup and sharks being you know something that we need to protect that sort of it's a new thing it's the only existed over the last decade or so I think so yeah used to be if you caught a shark like good for you you keeping it from killing someone who's swimming or someone who's surfing the the idea of shark's fin soup and it's lure was driven whole new on time we are in Berkeley and we are at a boat launch become off fishing and we've been out fishing for leopard sharks member of The Life Aquatic mmm that's a good movie yeah so do like his stuff for know Bill Murray love them I mean like the director Anderson was so what has he done besides that if I can

Royal Tenenbaums okay yeah like that yeah yeah I think his masterpieces Life Aquatic but uh

and there they got you know the famous shark and here's the Jaguar shark which is a good idea for shark don't think it exists but there are leopard sharks we're fishing for leopard sharks we came back to the boat launch there's a dumpster there and every cleans our fish and those who fish guts and the dumpster and remember there's a gentleman digging through the dumpster

getting out leopard shark fins and and heads and stuff and I took pity on them I thought that he was on acting out of some sort of desperation and I said hey man do you want like a nice fillet

I'd be happy to give you a filet he's like no he's like just the fins just to make soup yeah yeah if you ever had it no I've had it shark fins ooh yeah did you enjoy it it was weird

it was weird it was like it's okay it's okay it's definitely not worth eradicating a fucking entire species for know it's a little disgusting

it's a little disgusting and I'm always reluctant like I'm always reluctant to

I'm a little bit reluctant to sort of

oversimplify things around around Harvest and animals and stuff because

I think people can take it too far but if you've seen footage of people cut and fins I'm dumping the sharks in the water and kicking the Sharks off the deck into the water dark and I think but it speaks to something I think that seeing like live Finland sharks going into the water speaks to something about just your level of care Jeremy like whether you view something as sacred yeah or not it's hard to see that the individual engaging in that is viewing it as as sacred and there's like you know there's a lot of stories about even like swordfish Captain's you know burning blue sharks and stuff in effigy because they lose so much their swordfish catch the blue sharks but to see people kicking them off it speaks to something about animal suffering it speaks to something about like what does that person's view of the resource like to what dude how do they respect it but it also speaks like a general thing where you don't see things wasted yeah and I and my mother saying about like one of the things that slowed and US Waters one of the things that's

load thinning was just used to be able to go out and you could fill your hold full of just sharp Parts if you were fishing Captain you could just be like honest and keep the fins and eventually they made it I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong here I don't think I am they eventually made it that whatever you have for shark materials in your boat on a commercial operation only a certain percentage can be comprised of fins and since when you're on a commercial vessel your hold like your are you keep ice fish is finite it's limited it want to be not worth it because it lets say only like 30 percent of your shark Parts could be shark fins and you had to keep the rest it wasn't worth it to fill your hold full of like shark meat and so it's sort of D incentivize people to go out and Finn and US Waters mmm that makes sense I had it a long time ago I had it back in probably the 90s at a Chinese restaurant in the US or overseas yes

pretty sure pretty sure was yes yeah I don't think I've ever traveled overseas in the 1990s I barely remember it how old were you first went overseas

overseas sounds like yeah like old Sailors I'm trying to I think I was in my 30s so can't it doesn't count as overseas know you can walk there nor because of like the dairy and you know Gap and Central America like when you go to Argentina is it overseas

it can be a video he come from Florida right it depends on how you go you can go to the dead nuts over Central America did you go overseas and seems like it's kind of oversee yeah seems like a bad term but you didn't you didn't have occasion to travel a lot no you're young well I travel a lot from fighting all around the country when I was young and then I traveled a lot for comedy inside the country the same thing so there was a lot of traveling but like traveling to another country was like what am I doing but going over their Farm oh really yeah it's just more more travel yeah you know that's the it took me a while to get used to the idea of traveling for a vacation like but when you know the idea of vacations like going on vacation somewhere in Europe it would get the fuck out of here my traveling for fun I don't like traveling I want to sit still yeah I got you never get a vacation I just want to stay put and then I realized I you just swallow it just deal with the flight and the next thing you know you're in this really cool place took

while for me to sort of adjust my my view on that yeah well you have a hard time taking Leisure I used to I used to have a hard time taking Leisure now I look at it like like sleep like you need sleep and I think you need Leisure and I think particularly for creative person for person who writes and comes up with things you need down time like I just had a buddy of mine we're having this conversation about that we're we're saying that he feels like he's just working too much is doing too much comedies not taking in enough just putting too much out not taking in enough yeah man that's a pretty good point yeah you have to it's almost like have to think of it as a diet like what is your mental diet you know your physical diet is obviously very important if you're an athlete but if you're creative person you have to have an awareness of your mental diet if you just taking and sugar all the time just nonsense junk food bullshit like your brain is filled with uninteresting uninspiring thoughts and you know the same sort of typical

over and over and over again whereas if you can figure out a way to go to Thailand or something like that you go whoa these people live in a totally different life this is a totally different way to live and it just you just even if it's ever so slightly it broadens your perspective I can only really relaxed when there's nothing I could possibly be doing mmm and my kids aren't fighting I was laying I do this insurance policy thing I've told this story a thousand times but I haven't told you I'd do this insurance policy thing and and I like lay on my couch is this dude this dude comes over my house to take my heart rate and do a bunch of Health tests anyways when on my couch

he's got this monitor hooked out to me he's got to do it for long time I came around he minutes but it's like a law it's not like going to the doctor for a check-up or they just like take your poles from it like he's really like checking your shit out and I can hear my kids now and then like a little fight flare-up upstairs hmm and I asked to do them like can you see that because all I can see that let me hearing it me hearing that like now right right that's like your heart but my brother older brother Matt who's who's a very thoughtful

somewhat eccentric person he's now says that he needs he's going to sleep nine hours

a night which seems like an extravagance but he's like done the math on it and he says if you're going to measure me in terms of productivity I'll actually do more on nine than let's say 6

and you give me all those extra hours but those extra hours aren't as productive anyways I had a podcast with a guy named dr. Matthew Walker who's a sleep expert in books on sleeping and he talks about the vast amount of Americans that are under rested and and what an impact it has on your hormonal production on your body's ability to recover on your happiness and your body's ability to produce endorphins and all these different variables that are extremely important to happiness and to productivity and he's like the vast majority of people are fucking themselves over vast majority and great ways it increases the possibility of dementia and Alzheimer's and all these different factors if you go you look at guys like like Ronald Reagan like famously slept like four hours a night yeah God fucking Alzheimer's like it's really common with people that have a very small amount of sleep and they take pride in the fact they're always pushing the needle those people eventually the fucking the bearing start going yeah yeah do you take caution to sleep

we belong I get good sleep very lucky one of the things about because our exercise so much is I'm always tired yeah like when I hit the hay at night and I get home from The Comedy Store I fucking crash I go down hard I get a good solid eight hours sleep almost every night that's good well not when I'm in a groove of like like being careful about taking care of myself and

yeah doing like a lot of regular exercise how much your appetite for food and your appetite for Sleep the appetite for meat that's the big one Kris is ground well my wife started lifting weights and one of the first thing she said it's like goddamn I want meat like all the time she's doing squats and shit she's got this crazy Russian lady who's our trainer lady the fucking Savage and there's doing all these crazy squats box jumps and that kind of shit and she's like that Russian in the Rocky movie but it's just that dude was on the like that do was on De what's it called word that people go to like the clubhouse and roll rocks and shit oh like CrossFit yeah that dude was on the cross yeah man he's got trainer and Russia machines and Rocky that I have out there the fuck Versa climber the Fret that found out about Versa climbers watching that Rocky movie when Drago's on that thing I was like man he looks like he's working hard that fucking Versa climbers and that's a bitch man you ever do that thing no I haven't but like to you do 30 seconds Sprints in this eye

your legs and your arms yeah you just pedaling and it's like you're climbing and you can increase the resistance so it's like

for grappling there's nothing like it it's not a true everybody hates it though but most people they'll gravitate towards the treadmill the elliptical machine other thing they look at that thing like no no no yeah it's not fun you don't get lost yeah you don't get lost in it it's horrible it's all right but it's amazing when you refer to like how you feel your head up like what you feel your head up if it's just like junk and sugar and how much time you have to process stuff one of the things I've noticed in this kind of started it's begun to startle me a little bit is I used to find in social situations that I would be very interested in letting people know what I thought about stuff mmm even shit I had no business talking about and I think that you see people when you see like someone who's older and we have this idea that like old older wiser person and they're just taking in everything and they've learned to be quiet yeah people don't really think about the fact that maybe they're just like sick of hearing themselves

that to the in the saddest thing is those an old moron

right I want to say yeah by me I think I you need to explain I guess old racist oh old dummy the old person who has like ridiculous archaic views of women or ridiculous archaic views of society and culture and immigration all these different things like a person without nuance and old person who's not learned from The Humbling experiences of life and whose is not looked at himself in his own Folly and has a humorous take on it the first description yeah you paint a flattering portrait yeah man I think about it a lot I don't want to be that guy I'm Connor to dude like that not long ago where we decided that we're going to take our kids like we're going to take our kids out to eat and I don't want to have to deal with any kind of like added noise and I was trying to I wanted to go to there's like this like truck that sells tacos is called a killer or day or something let's go that taco truck and eat because I didn't talk to anybody and deal with anybody my wife convinced me to go to this brew pub

so we go down the group um I'm kind of like in a I'm already pissed off because I'm the kind of half mad at my wife for making this be in a potentially social situation and I'm sitting here in this old man walks past me on his way out of the restaurant and he's got a do not resuscitate bracelet whoo okay he's like he's got a little walk you know those for pegged gains he's got a for Peg cane it's probably the name for that and a do not resuscitate bracelet and he walks out with his wife girlfriend whatever and she wanders off and he's just standing outside the restaurant and it's just killing me to know what that's all about so I grabbed my older boy and we walk out and I'm like you know I couldn't help but notice you have a bracelet says do not resuscitate

what's that all about you know and I said do you just feel that if it's your time it's your time and you should and you don't want modern shit to like interfere and sort of what you imagined to be like the way things go and he explains to me is like no I goes he's like he's pissed he's already pissed he's probably pissed for I talk to him he's like I don't want oxygen I don't want CPR I want nothing and he goes because I was having a heart attack and they resuscitated me and broke two of my ribs

therefore I don't want to be resuscitated I remember thinking like but you were having a heart attack like the trade-off seems minor yeah but just like he was he was so kind of just pissed that they broke his ribs that he couldn't even see I'm like another way of looking at it would be that they saved your life

but he said he just wanted to suffer his heart attack

with ribs and tact and at this point I would just rather die than have broken ribs that's the first something like I don't know I couldn't even begin and obviously I thought he was interesting also that I didn't think it was interesting anymore such an unfortunate perspective because if he said like that a great story but you said yes and what is a great story because it's like if he said hey I had a good time it's you know there's only enough room for so many people that's what I thought I was going to get you know that's what I thought was going to be taken forward to meeting Jesus yeah I thought I was gonna get that so much so that I brought my boy with a boy because when I was a little kid my dad would go out of his way to have weird people over to the house yeah I keep it was important to him to expose his kids the weirdos so I was like come on son we're gonna talk to this crazy old man with a do not resuscitate braceland you like learn something about life but still might not never mind never mind forget that guy where's that lead to trade off of broken ribs for Life broke

it takes like a couple of months and you're fine hey you might be like to your had a brew pub with your girlfriend yeah it's going to get the car you don't want to continue this but like that's not bad not bad that's not bad you just suffer for a little bit one of the things about growing up with martial arts is your always injured so you don't look at injuries the way some people look at injuries you look at injuries like I gotta go get this fish you gotta get it fixed I've had both my knees reconstructed of it a bunch of she might have is reconstructed I've had a bunch of shit fixed he's just get it fixed it's like I fucking tore this thing I'm gonna go get it fixed I don't view it that way Ian has had meniscus surgery and honestly tell us had meniscus surgery on his knee and was crazy you'll have something to say about this this is kind of your in your world a little bit I developed annieek that I had four months left because of him no I don't know but now I don't know pregnancy weight gain found the time I would have told you know after this at the time I would have told you that my knee absolutely hurt mmm

my knee hurt and the pain drifted around and it hurt all the time and I was acutely aware of the pain in my knee hmm and I had it built up and then I had made the mistake of having like a passing conversation with an orthopedic surgeon was like oh you know it's probably this of that it's you can fix it but then then it got worse and worse and worse I finally go down to a doctor to deal with all the scans and shit it's like you know you have some arthritis you can probably solve the problem with some physical therapy there's like a band that runs down from your hip and I think that's like flaring up and that's why the pain bounces around and do it wasn't to later two days later that pain was gone I said to be honest I'm like man I feel like psychologically frail I feel there's a very as I feel there's a very thin membrane that separates my brain from my body mmm and Jana said there is no membrane that separates your brain from your body and I don't I can't rule out now that

I can't rule out now that I'm like mentally pretty weak because the minute someone told me there's not actually a problem where I need to get a surgery like I like I now try to feel the pain but I can't find it so it is no corresponding like hiking or anything that has contributed to it where you weren't doing it once I felt better well one day in the spring me and my buddy Pete Munich went out looking for black bears during black bear season and this was when I was really like thought I had a knee problem and we went out and we didn't like a long ways we like maybe six miles and um and I came back and notice because real Maki you know you're walking your feet keep sticking in the market way and then your feet build up a layer mock on your boot bottom then it comes off and then you're walking cockeyed because your other boot hasn't shed its boot mud layer yeah we had one of those walks

and after that walk the pain went away for two days

but yeah man I don't know it gives you a lot of fear being old and shit that's real my eyesight's going bad mine too I see you wearing those little glass all the time and I saw you minute ago you didn't have mean you couldn't bear to look at your phone no I can read that but you had you had to like hold it unusually far away I felt was I reading like that like that I can read you read that that's not a problem now you had a thing I'm gonna be honest with you tip your head up and tip your eyes down and held it far away I felt

I do do that I do do that sometimes but mostly with my phone that's not an issue like I could read emails and shit the real the real problem is laptops like a laptop but with small text or reading that like that piece of paper in front of you that's fucked like if I had to read that I mean I could do it but I got to do this talking monkey incorporate a podcast called a joke yeah Joe's reading my release yeah it's it's just reality you know your body starts to deteriorate nothing you could do about it yeah yeah use it as like all this like journey of Life shit right yeah but he's all into like weird yanis isn't it strange stuff like he thinks you can kind of like you can kind of like a dress thing manifest yeah he just believes that

he believes I don't want to put words in his mouth but I feel that this is the this is a long debate we have about psychological States I feel that you can have pessimistic thoughts

but as long as you behave like an optimist you'll get the same outcome meaning let's say you go hunting and you have feelings that like it's never going to work out we're never going to get one but you do everything right it doesn't matter what's in your head because your actions are such the only thing that he doesn't like to entertain the negativity he doesn't like to entertain the negativity because he feels that but I'm like but what does it matter if we still hunt hard what does it matter if I feel like it won't work as long as we hunt hard it doesn't matter and I think that he feels he would argue that that mental state

effects outcomes and so he applies as to all the aspects of his life

having a sense of positivity I think there's a benefit to having a sense of positivity in the sense that you're going to enjoy the experience more if you're always walking around pessimistic and then things happen that are good you know like wow look at that all right well tomorrow is going to suck yeah that was a flute where is if you just appreciate the fact that hey here I am living in America you know I'm healthy I don't have cancer like could be so many things worse that are wrong with me I could have been born with weird birth defects I could have been bored and you know El Salvador with no feet I could have been you know living in some fucking drug ravaged Community I'm lucky this extremely unbelievably lucky like if you had given the opportunity to be Steve rinella if you were some guy who's living in some terrible third world country with you know awful drug cartel violence all around you you like what would you what would you give to

like a regular guy living in Bozeman Montana and a beautiful place and have a healthy happy family and a great way to make a living like what are you gonna do yeah what do I have your give me your give me patriotic stirrings which I'm inclined to I'm inclined to it that's why I got American flag back there but dude yeah be like oh you know I can have TV show I can start a business just have children I don't think we're a small country The Ghost and they got lucky great school yes free insanely for down the road yes yes yeah I mean there's a lot of places like that anymore because people have find those places and fuck them up and overpopulated them but there's a few of them left you just got to deal with extreme weather the extreme weather is the barrier for pussies it keeps them out you think so yeah almost moving the fucking Montana it's hard that's why we just tried to buy a green land yes got shot down well I think I like the idea that though I like it too I think it's hilarious you see us

can post where he said I promise not to do this and he showed a picture of green one with a giant Trump Tower I like that sound guys funny he might be an asshole people might hate them they might be a problem as a president blah blah blah blah blah you can't deny that occasionally he is fucking hilarious know it is funny and I think that people try there's certain people that try hard to not see the humor in it yes I retweeted it was like get on with your bad self mr. Trump I look I don't read my my Twitter post I'm sure bunch of people got mad at me for that but I don't read it I just post and forget it I just get out of Dodge I just leave little packages and I get the fuck out of there yo sorry about that picture that I found myself zooming in trying to see what those people in those houses had going on

yeah I guess like they probably hunt well Greenland has so much natural resources and it's also probably a place it's going to be an awesome spot to live in a hundred years when the fucking wrestle worlds on fire maybe I'll wind up there man yeah well muskox we were talking about that yesterday muskox Jamie pulled up a thing uh statistic on muck Sox muskox that the success rate for bow hunting is 100%

in some units yeah it's crazy yeah in Greenland oh 100% in Greenland because the you know they had you know they had a lot to protect themselves against wolves so they just stay in a spot when they see a threat which is great for wolves but not so good for projectiles yeah and I've hunted them for yeah apparently they're delicious Brendan Byrne said that they taste like the best Kobe beef yeah said it so it really is a terrible soft but good marbled yeah you know what's funny is the wow I mean tough like yeah tougher but what's funny about

why I drew a permit like in Alaska the way they so try to find another way to approach this any American speaking of America land of opportunity any American can apply for a permit to hunt for muskoxen Alaska and what units are available to you if you're not an Alaska resident very and I believe right now the only area that you can apply for a permit as a non-resident might be Nunavik Island and I drew a permit to hunt on to hunt muskox on nunivak island I saw that episode yeah and hunt and then there the the chupacabra Eskimo and a bunch of people be like you can't say ask them all but those funny cuz I ask that you pick man

who out staying with I'm like you know I feel like I'm always told not to use Eskimo

and he said what the hell else would you call me so I'm going to say and deference to what this man prefers to be called he's Chupa caste the explaining I'm to Picasa Kamal I'm not something else I think the Canadian folks like to be referred to as Inuit or knowledge and the high Arctic yeah but then but I think it's it's created a lot of confusion yeah but it was just interesting that on this on this this Western Alaska Coast along the Bering Sea he achoo pick man was telling me that that is what he prefers to be referred to as Chupa custom oh yeah but the way that we you know like we you know people consume Wild game or talk about me cries like when rating meets we tend to talk about tenderness or not tenderness right there was tough it was tender oh stop it was tender tender being good tough being bad I mean you've been involved in a hundred of these conversations he like this to Big males like we prefer it

to be tough

you know that tendon that like if you look at the spine of an animal the the vertebra above its shoulder will have like a what's called a thoracic a longer thoracic process like that blade that comes up

there's a tendon that runs from the top of those throw a stick processes out to the neck and it allows like big animals it's really exaggerated on moose bison muskox where it's like the size of your wrist this giant tendon that's moored to the top of those thoracic processes that allows us thing like to hang its head which I mean head is 80 pounds or whatever and it hangs off there they liked that thing well real chewy meat and they even would they would cook the muskox of basically like boil them they would take the tough parts of the musk ox and almost like purposefully make it more tough but kind of like boy like flash boiling it

and they would talk about like this Cuts good it's tough

not or was so tender why do they like that did they explain varied preferences wow that's weird but I like working quite a bit man what was funny is I gave a bunch of musk ox

to a Guatemalan woman in Seattle that we knew and I gave a bunch of muskox to her and she made me a bunch of tamales so I had Guatemalan style tamales with musk ox with musk ox and we made a deal where I gave her a bunch I said you can keep half of what I give you like make tamales and give me half the tamales so we struck a deal I had a freezer full of freakin tamales like wrapped up nice but uh and I would laugh about that that you know my kids would have muskox sandwiches or muskox tamales made go down to school with that's hilarious yeah it was great my kids like freak out other kids at school you know like like kids at my skids school be like oh what's your favorite food my daughter be like I like bear thinks it's hilarious that she's eating bear you know she likes to tell people bear sausage it's my favorite in the other kids like what the fuck you know kids that have never experienced any wild game

my kids have eaten you know since 2012 when I started hunting they've basically done everything they've eaten elk they've eaten dear they've eaten Ducks they've eaten wild turkey they've eaten everything what's there how are they viewed in their Community like how are you viewed in that that like School parent Community I don't know it's hard to tell because you go to the event yes I got to go to one today yeah I'm a weirdo for sure but you ostracized friendly know I'm really friendly so like most of their it's all hugs you know like the parent like I'm a nice guy so like when I see those folks it's all like friendly and hugs but some guys will pull me aside and asked me about manly activities because they feel like I got you you're actually allowed to be a man and you're everyone's neutered you know like somebody guys are their wives are yelling at him and I'm off doing cage fighting

events you know and I do where were you last week I was bow hunting you know I was in the mountains with no cell service you know it so they might be inclined to be like oh I don't like that for like Middle America rednecks but it's okay for you well they know me right so they don't that the preconceived notion and they know I'm a good dad you know I'm very active and I'm constantly around my kids and I take it very seriously and it means the world to me so like parents one of the most the most important things that I find is good parents respect good parents they see that you love your children that's interesting point yeah I mean if you find someone who's like a dismissive parent and is not interested a disinterested parents like one of the most disturbing and disappointing things if you love someone you care about them then you find out they're a bad person or bad parent you have to re-evaluate your perspective on them because to me being a parent in my wife is huge on this it's like it's everything to her she will not talk to someone or hang out with someone as you

they're a bad parent and she forms her relationships with her friends based on whether or not they're good parents it's everything yeah if you're you know you're contributing to this community so when I'm around these parents you know I'm a nice guy so it's all friendly but they all have questions all these poor men that are stuck in cubicle jobs you know men men are tortured you know it's like that who was it throw ya most men live lives of quiet desperation yeah yeah it's one of my favorite cleaning for whole well he knew what he was talking about you know it's it's these most people are just living this boring-ass fucking life and I'm living this life for I'm telling jokes in front of thousands of people and then I'm doing podcasts in front of millions of people and then I'm hunting and then then occasionally I go off and I do cagefighting commentary

it's like a caricature of masculinity really yeah people get confused well it is and I smoke pot so it's like what's going on here one of the things one of the early things that surprised me about you is man I don't want to use that works I don't want to be insulting one of the things that tomorrow yeah one of these is a prize you about you

but it's something that sounds like asshole is she is how serious you take being a parent because I think that someone could look like someone could someone could add a glance look like oh you know discussion of drugs and like dirty humor and sort of like those are not congruous with parenting but you take superpaint do you take parenting like extremely seriously well but you don't know I don't think you you're not like you know you're not so concerned with people understanding a full package you need to spend shitloads of time telling everybody about how good of a parent you are yeah I'm not interested in that I'm interested in love you know and as a kid who grew up with could sort of a deficit of it

it's very important for me to spread as much of it as I can whether it's through my friends or through a children and two children it's like the most important responsibility because my friends is they're fine I met him there grown-up still figure it out on their own yeah help them when I can but but kids you know it's like you get one shot at that you get one shot at raising kids man you know it's not you can't redo it you can't go out this one sucks let me rip it up and start from scratch like you have to do it right and you have to and you're going to make mistakes for sure but you have to spend as much conscious time talking to them and interacting with them and you know I like it I enjoy it one of the things that that you get afraid of about damaging your children is that you would leave a legacy of damage yes like you can have I have all kinds of things that I did in my life and ways I treated people and I can say here name names right like things I did the people that were very unfortunate I wish I hadn't done it

someday maybe I'll call him and apologize but if you when you damage your kid man man yeah you're setting your like creating a string of decades yeah yeah and Decades of describes that they will do the same to their kids and it's also it sort of reflects how selfish selfish or selfless you are you know whether you do a good job or a shitty job you know I've unfortunately I have some friends that are not that good at it and you know comics in particular there was a don't want to say any names but there's a guy who was friends with the son of a famous comedian let me track that form and a guy who I know who grew up with the sun very yeah I got Ian sometimes I get confused when people talk about like my cousins Brothers Uncle yeah I know I'm with him and he was telling me that his dad was a piece of shit and he

them out of my goddamn it Dad is one of my heroes yeah it's hard when you talk to the actual son of the man and he's like yeah my dad's a piece of shit and I'm like fuck I gotta know what to do with that you know like what do I say to I mean his art is amazing his what he did to the world I mean but what he didn't do was take care of his own backyard when he didn't do is take care of his own children I find that that creates some difficult because there's some writers

not some of me in so many of them Riders

musicians actors who have blessed the world with what they've put out for the you look at the destruction they sewed and their immediate vicinity yeah and you want to be like well do you condemn it or are you just thankful that or is that like collateral damage unavoidable collateral collateral damage in order to have the things that to have things that we appreciate ya well there's also I do kind of followed them saying hundred percent well Hendrix you know me this project is podcast is called the Gent The Joe Rogan Experience because I stole it from Hendrix not really yeah as funny as you think about that earlier when I was sitting in your ear in the back room there you had that I was just looking at the experience wondering about where that came from yeah Jimi Hendrix experience yeah it's a hundred percent stole it from Hendrix and then I read that he beat his girlfriend's really yeah I was like what's that real well I don't want to thank Hendricks even got mad

I want to thank he's that due to put the band down on and just played Voodoo Child yeah when I worked with Phil Hartman when Phil Hartman was a kid he was like 17 or 18 Hendrix played at the whisky and he was there as like a roadie and his job was to keep the amp the speakers from falling over you know so he stood there on the stage and Hendricks is right there playing guitar in front of him and the way he described as like his eyes were alight he was like described like he was like he was right there it was right there and he's playing you know there's been I grew up a just a giant Hendrix fan like a giant fan Led Zeppelin Hendrix the doors like it's all classic rock when I was a kid you know Suburban Boston Neighborhood type shit drop Van Halen on your fucking notebook that kind of shit AC/DC logos you know it's like that's that's how I grew up

you know so I was trying to figure out a name for this podcast was like man who the fuck is affected me more in terms of motivation and Hendrix because I'd listen to his music when I worked out and listen to his music both great driving a gigs you know and plus he just seemed like so different you know just such a crazy anomaly in pop culture this African-American do is like the greatest guitarists of all time you have all these Rock guys and one of the things that Eric Clapton and said like the thought he knew how to play guitar then he saw Jimi Hendrix was like what the fuck realize you did Wing like what am I doing because he was just so out there he was so out there he was so different you know just a freak just an anomaly so I hung around me Warren I'm glad you guys got him doing a puck it's great I love it yeah the hell yeah Hendrix I always point out to people that how I grew up my dad discovered that I have his left eye down I'm a dominant

and all the hand-me-down ship guns are always right handed but I had to relearn how to shoot everything left-handed so now I talked about how I was like Hendrix or I had to shoot left-handed with right-handed god well I shot my first deer with your gun so left-handed gun

your rifle not a cock it on the wrong side remember no yeah leave your rifle though it's out there man the deers here yeah yeah where did I it lost its position of prominence that this this is not held by the table Yeah to Nazi helmet right yeah used to be right there hey did you see my change the subject but I do want to see the video I sent you which one of the shark tagging the dude the Instagram yeah yeah it's crazy yeah which one let me check that's one of the things that yeah so crazy I get so many of those goddamn things sent to me no I thought you'd appreciate it I'm sure of a guy getting I don't know what kind of shark it is I'll send it to Jamie what kind of shark is it you know I think it's a bull shark maybe I'm not sure

oh yeah here it is I was almost dinner he says yeah he our share to oh that was yeah dude that's fucking terrible it's terrible I'm terrified of sharks did it gets yeah I thought you'd appreciate it yeah because the where the the mental presence of that guy yeah he kept together yeah just to like he's getting attacked by a shark and puts not only thinks to put his spear gun in its mouth here it is right here pulled the trigger

boom suck it bitch yeah I mean look that thing was coming in hot that's amazing and that's sharp thinking and he's attached to this fucking shark now right yeah but he Stones it yeah oh yeah it's dead that's hilarious yeah fuck sharks I wish there was more of them so you can say Fuck sharks and not worry about it yeah now you can't it's funny man like you were talking about sharks you hear about guys the fish the goal of coals and Florida and shit and

you gotta be very careful because pull the shark up on the beach people get pissed oh yeah and they'll get pissed that you're fishing sharks because it lures sharks in oh so it's a double whammy yeah sharks have kind of entered like they've almost gotten like um

they've climbed they've sort of moved and how we view Wildlife they made the jump

they're up there with elephants yes yes they like almost that's great news this species man if I was a different species and I was trying to like make my plan my three year plan I'd like I want to elevate my species up to I want to look at like what the Sharks done and get there

because that shit that's for safety line right like if you were an Entertainer and you wanted to get to I want to get to where Kanye is like if you were an animal I want to get to where the shark yeah like if I was a possum yeah if I was a possum I'd get with other possums and I'd be like what does it take to get to what an elephant enjoys I was discussing with my kids right now people are people don't consider possums know they're like hitting with the car and there's like it's just a Greener just keep moving yeah I was talking to my kids last night about racism in the insect world that we were hanging out outside and my youngest daughter goes as a roach it's a cricket and turns her back on this thing like has no concern at all she goes from being this it's Cricket I mean and just turns her back same size like the you know saying Prospect of danger was none just wandering around

star was a roach she was terrified and then was a cricket I find crickets in my house all the time I capture them and I let him go yeah bring them outside of let him go so we do this you know this Cricket is hanging out behind my daughter and then my dog comes over and just fucking Scoops it up and eat it and be like hey man why the fuck you eating a cricket he's like laughing and smiling he thinks it's hilarious like fuck man he's ate a cricket yeah we are the racism the species or whatever is you know we used to have a rat infestation this is Jamie we got here

the dog can eat that bird oh wow

oh man that bird was like Halo friend Jamie is one of the better internet thing finders he's the best he's got a gold medal call that is like stuff find internet finding have you seen that cat yeah I've seen that cat somebody sent me that that's a muscular he's rippled that cat looks like he's been running mountains he's been taking down some elk yeah he's ripped you know what you had was he your podcast I mean I know you had elk 101 what is his name no Cory Jacobson nope you Jason Phelps oh that's right that's right that's right different guy Phelps game called right I love that guy dude yeah great podcast to well he's a he's a good guy for no never had Corey Jacobson on no no sir I never met him I'd like to have him out I like to to Phelps

yeah like one just as an isolated specimen okay like a like no context nothing he's like Madame because whatever you like want to try to park at the airport and you trying to find a spot and he's pulling out there hey you pulling out like you'd like them in that context you just seem like a good dude but kind of his business it's kind of when I see him and his company is the thing that always Pops in my head was

that's a term like it look like American elbow grease yeah I do what's tell people what he does he makes out call ye makes quite a wide variety game calls but he's acting like he's like very much specialized in our called was like grouping logging family you know and like a logging area and that industry at this particular time is little little bit in the Autumn of its of its life expectancy in there we grew up that's kind of his background this dudes like interested in something good at something they retire they like being in America you know the benefits of being an American yeah not that we have a monopoly on it we have a lot of it just like great benefits and this dude just like starts making game calls

like what his mom and his wife like builds a business man and he's a good dude he you know it's called blowing a game call right so he sends me his T-shirt says I blow Phelps and my wife is like throw it out I was like no because you're never gonna wear it I'm like it doesn't matter it's days These are nice guys like you know when you always say like someone's a nicest like yeah they always a nice guy like I don't know I value that that means everything like me such a good dude I lose a lot of respect for people when they're really good at what they do but they're not nice it's like I get it you had to figure out how to be good at what you did and what's was sacrificed his community yes a key if you sacrifice friendliness that's not necessary yeah it's not necessary it's a weakness I really believe that you know and it's it's common to Common weaknesses like the thinking of yourself before others the

is its goal oriented right you're all you're worried about achieving success or achieving a certain position or a goal but the problem is when you get to that goal you're going to be fucking to you got to be depressed you going to be sad because you don't have any friends yeah your way to the top you know it's like you can't can't you have to see the trees got to see everything you got to see the whole Forest you can't just keep your eye on the prize because you fuck over people and push them aside on the way and eventually going to get but you have to fuck over some people and I mean fuck them over but tell him to fuck off like there's some people that will get in your way people that are selfish that will trip you up because you'll wind up being completely absorbed their own problems and okay you're not dealing with your own problems you've made me the curator of your problems sometimes you have to like know when to cut people lose but you also have to like I don't know I know that you're big on this to your big on tribe like you have like those guys that you travel with you do shows with is like a tribe of you like yeah a community and it's very

very important I respect that I think that's very that's huge so that's it but it's a thing I've learned from my interactions with you and the thing I've seen is you don't you don't pray it around you don't talk about too much but you do talk about that there are some things where you just you put up some firewalls in your life and the people that you're around and I have heard you refer to at times that something got to someone was maybe like to damaging

in referring to people that it wasn't even like you were condemning them or thought they were bad but you just refer to like times and you've had like just sort of protect what you had and what you care about

just make some things not part of your life anymore yeah you have to do that sometimes yeah you have to you have to realize that there's some people that are not looking out for themselves some people don't make that jump well and they keep that around yeah they keep that that influence around because it because of maybe like misplaced loyalties yes I've noticed you bring that up a handful of times where you're like something just got to be where you had like build you just you had to be like you I love you respect you would ever buy just gotta protect these other things well some people get some completely self-absorbed and they burn everything around them because they're only thinking about themselves and even if you love them and Care them or appreciate what they're doing like some people are amazing at certain thing like you know we're talking about Hendricks I mean if Hendricks did beat his wife I don't know if that's true or beat his girlfriends yeah but it's like some people are so good at what they do that like that's all they're thinking about and they didn't develop these interpersonal skills our relationship skills or you know whatever it's

you know they didn't develop a sense of nuance in terms of their perspective of the world or a sense of introspective thinking when they're looking at themselves and being objective about how they interface with the people around them and and life those people that are just like wholly focused on the south especially pure narcissist which you run into a lot of them in Show Business and some of them is not their fault you know you talk to me if you believe in determinism you know and you believe that there are product of all the things that have happened to them and then you run down the list of all the things that have happened to them it's fucking bone-chilling I mean so many people that I know particularly in Show Business are there because of just a giant hole they developed in their self-esteem and their who they are as a child they didn't get enough love they got too much abuse and hate and bullying and all these varying factors that made them push so hard to achieve success to let everybody know hey I am special hey I am something you were all wrong and then they but

along the way they burn everything around them yeah and I don't I don't you know I don't want to it's possible to get there without that that's what I want to say it's like it's possible to get there without being a piece of shit and some people think you have to be a piece of shit to be successful you don't don't have to or I think some people get to wear remember earlier I mentioned like the collateral damage yeah I some people think have you could develop such an inflated sense of what you're bringing to the world that you excuse you personally come to accept the idea that there is a price to pay yeah that price being other people yeah yeah that's the problem but then again if you don't have certain standards and other people chew up all your time and their problems become your problems and then and even thinking about their problems they thinking about you thinking about their problems I mean there's many people that pawn off their problems on other folks and they think that if you're a good friend you're helping me like you're not a good friend you're not taking care of

you're not helping me like a giant helping yourself yeah the fuck are you doing for yourself like this is a trap that a lot of people get stuck into its codependency it happens in a lot of relationships is a lot of people to get involved in relationships boy and girl that they find that the person who is their their soul mate is also the source of all their fucking problems and their the curator of this person's life their they're supposed to be like helping this personal because this person is like deemed them the person who's most important to them and it's like you got to you got to find you got to find out what you know what is the what's the boundary where you won't cross where you realize like someone is becoming an impediment to your own happiness and success it's amazing the degree to which people deep down do care about

what someone is quote like you know where I find that because I've been on your show a number of times people are curious about you and people will often ask me you know what's Rogan really like but they know they know that they know what answer they want to hear bad people would love a story okay you because I'm like Oprah Winfrey I found the people love a story about how bad like people are going to eat up a story that she's awful yeah look - sure like people want a story about some of you bad but what's funny about what you've done and how you've done it is it in this happens quite often where people are like they're like he's a good guy right like they want to know that they feel like you are and they want to have it confirmed not that they're like oh yeah tell me the story about him being bad like they were

a lot of people if someone has a really bad story about Oprah I'm like well I'm all ears wow horse wives well well I think first of all because Oprah is enormously successful like it in some sort of preposterous way is worth a billion dollars were just talking she can't saying she can't dance it's not in good shape what is she doing she's talking she's got a billion dollars fuck her I hope she's I hope she's a meanie hope she's doing terrible yeah you know the thing about that it's like you want to find out how she got that way because she's fucking people over yeah I heard she beats her assistant Archie you know what I mean I would she let her sister's house on baby like a big sense of the world so yeah in some ways like you want to think that someone who's achieved that ridiculous level of success is mean I got passed by Oprah has a house in Montecito I passed by the house like that is over ridiculous house for a person it's like a giant lawn 50 million dollar house a fucking huge estate it's a castle she's a queen you know you don't want that like fuck

you know my house is 250 Grand why is what the fuck is she doing with that 50 Min and that's not even how she lives in she just visits that like once a year takes a shit there have someone cook for takes a nap gets up and stirs an atomizer makers and animosity yeah well you know Preposterous success breeds animosity and that lady's got a lot of preposterous success you know so there's certain people you meet them you want them to set like dr. Phil like he's similar thing I would be receptive to a Bad Doctor Phillips yes I'm sorry he's great dr. Phil is fucking great my friend Jai is dr. Phil son I became friends with dr. Phil through another guy through another guy because my friend Ron White my friend Ron White is a good buddy - when the best comedians on Earth is good friends with J with J McGraw who's dr. Phil's son so I became friends with Jay before I became friends with dr. Phil and I had dr. Phil in the pod

gasps dr. Phil's the fucking nicest guy ever he's a regular guy like you hang out and talk to him he's got a ridiculous amount of success but he's hilarious he's like a regular dude and before we started we talked about how we're both Pro married yes we root for marriages right but with kids yeah but Mary yeah when is no kids involved I still root for him yeah do you know I root for marriages I root for happiness and sometimes happiness means divorce know every well or if I'm able to make the switch by even root for mayor I just root for marriages

well that's it well because you I know why because you grew up in a fucked-up sort of situation where didn't you know you grew up with broken promises and divorces and separating and that kind of shit A lot of that happened yeah there was stuff that happened well for chill not for me but it was there was like it was around right it was in it was in our family history sure yeah not mine too yeah I'm a roofer happiness sometimes happiness mean someone getting the fuck away from somebody you know my favorite story about people being a good guy more I mentioned mole Fallon earlier he's been on the show so I feel like I can mention him assuming that your listeners like have this like amazing capacity for attention do but so both hands no-show and more found talks about to dislike a third this is like a fifth hand story but Ma founds body meets the guy that used to be like who's the dude in the Nerds movie who would go like nerd

it's oh yeah older guy ogre yeah okay check this out wow what a difference most body meets the dude who was ogre in the Nerds and nerds not the nerds nerd sci-fi all man so and the guy that doesn't want to bring it up but he can't help himself at bring it up he's like you know I loved you and nerd

so the guy goes into this big thing like he's like do you have any idea what it would be like to have like your whole life defined by some role you did long ago and I'm a thespian and I do Theater now and you people that bring this up all the time nerds you know and he does it like he like is cool with right right and rolls into it and the dues relief the he enabled him to like have that recollection hmm you know the he was always like yeah okay people going to look and when I hear that now if I see that guy I'm like that guy must be a cool guy right because he doesn't take himself too seriously yeah because you could roll with it yeah there he is nerds was D do pro wrestling or something

what's wrong now branch of the Nerds policy moving yeah

yeah I mean looks like a guy that you would cast in a row roll worry be mean to nerds yeah some people take themselves fucking super seriously like that's one of the best things about my career is like I will for always be forever always be the Fear Factor guy like if I don't think that's true as definitely true but some folks really yeah you watch it it's not TV I mean you can still steal if I didn't know that I don't know that that's where the case with you I feel like you might have a wrong impression of yourself of your legacy it's in there is definitely in there in there but it's not it but maybe it's not a but if anybody wanted like poke fun at me that's always there and I would welcome it like now things right I don't think that happen well prevent me from taking my selves my myself and my you know I want to pretend I'm some sort of Moody artist that has always followed the path of creativity and artistic expression no not heard myself I have like six years

I think it's in your hip bone to get some people's head well maybe yeah I don't know it's in some people's heads I can remember the first place out here you know what you know what helps substantiate what you're telling me I know where I was sitting the first time I ever heard your name I know who I was talking to and unfortunately I don't like to admit this is long time ago unfortunately the point of contact when I was like oh you're right Fear Factor yeah yeah I mean fucking millions of people saw that goddamn thing I need to tell you too that was the first conversation when I ever heard the word podcast really I know where else in else talking to Helen Cho who you know oh yeah I heard the word Joe Rogan and the word podcast and had no idea what either of those things were that's before you came on dude yeah I'm talking long time 2012 People yeah yeah I'm not like I'm not I mean I have I don't want to see how my finger on the pulse but I'm not like

Luddite well that was when I heard the word the podcast was only three years old back then when you first came on now it's 10 years old

that crazed longer going that it was 2012 okay because that's when we went hunting maybe in 2011 and went hunting in 2012 yeah yeah so it was probably two years old the podcast was two years old and she said fear fact I'm like oh

the world the world of podcasting man there was a funny Variety article that was just written that Conan O'Brien is blazing a trail in the world of podcasting and you know just got just openly shit on by the entire world who read that like what he talkin about like no one's even like his podcast gets like a hundred thousand downloads or something and in comparison like Marc mayor and her Adam Carolla all these people have been doing it forever and ever but it's it's still to this day like this sort of in mainstream views and mainstream eyes it's like just starting to gain recognition when some people like Corolla has been doing podcasts for 10 years I think Marin has been doing it longer than me I've been doing it for 10 years Sumerians probably 10 11 years in you know to weird world and how many years you guys been doing it now five yeah 5 years in yeah the I listened to your goddamn podcast every week I get to ride in on Monday Monday is my Sunday yes but I see you man

Joy doing it and I've tried to point out

I've tried to point out that if it wasn't for you I hadn't I wouldn't have gone into it well you were really good as a guest and I was like man this guy has so much unusual knowledge in his head you're so good at articulating thoughts and have a background in journalism your your so eloquent like why wouldn't you do it I'm like it's so easy and there's like this market for for people that enjoy hunting and enjoy the outdoors there's you know there's I don't mean any disrespect to anybody who's making podcasts do your best but there's a lot of clunky poorly articulated thoughts that are being put out in podcast form and my thought was like this is

so what the word spiritual is a very weird word right because it's been sort of co-opted by assholes but there's this hasn't been some time in LA for sure a lot of be wearing yeah I'm with you you know but there's a spiritual aspect to hunting it's real you know and one of the things that I really appreciate about you is like this idea like no shooting collar dear speaks to it it's like there's there's something about this that's not just about shooting animal and eating it it's about the difficulty of difficulty of the pursuit what it means and what you're getting out of it as a human being and then also the recognition of what you're eating and when you're eating this animal that this is a this is a wild beautiful creature that you respect and that there's a certain amount of like there's a certain amount of a feeling of loss and sadness when that animal dies and this is this is recognizing this is

deal and it's hard for people to articulate that and I think it's very important that there's people like you out there that are articulating this and the people can digest this in a podcast format get it over and over again and they also get because you always do these big groups of people to get a sense of camaraderie to and where people are talking and there's also a can pride of hard work you know there's a pride that comes through that which I think is very contagious like this the feeling of appreciating and respecting hard work and like you had the way that you were talking about Jason Phelps you know it's like that kind of a that appreciation for Ingenuity and hard work it is very important for people it's very important for people to hear it gives you something that I don't in terms of like outdoor like the Outdoor World whether it's hunting and fishing and just appreciation for wildlife it's not publicly articulated on a broad scale you know when you referred to the camaraderie

which is super important to me when I thought about making a show you know what always had a lot of this when I thought about making a podcast you don't always had a lot of nostalgia for was

Howard Stern in the mid-90s yeah I don't know what it shows like now remember the air when it was and he may still be on there like kid have all these dudes around that were kind of like funny yeah and there's so many people in the room he couldn't tell who was talking it's just like people it felt like people hanging out yeah I like that and I like Tom fresh air but Terry girl sure I was like dude you should do a combo of Howard Stern and Terry Gross yeah look I still got those are thing I thought about but the camaraderie that's the the one of the one of the things I like to see him oh some people write in and they feel like they feel like I said like people sitting around shooting the shit yeah which you know it's a very controlled shooting of the shit sure has to be its control but that's why I personally use important there has to be one person that sort of was like aware that we're all shooting the shit but sort of like gently guiding it

you know Opie and Anthony was the same thing for me mmm when I started doing Opie and Anthony and like the early 2000s I realized like wow what is it crazy people don't people that weren't fans of it back then it doesn't exist anymore unfortunately it was an amazing hangout for comedians we would all go there and I would I would show up and Ricky Gervais should be there and Jim Norton would be there and all these guys would be there and Louis C.K be there Bill Bird be there we just be talking shit Ari shaffir we'd all be just laughing and chiming in and even though six o'clock in the morning like he went and did it man you had a cup of coffee showed up and everybody's happy to see you it was a hang and it was a really Loosely structured hang that they put together and that inspired me to kind of do my podcast in a similar way I don't know how comfortable you are pulling back the curtain or showing like how the sausage gets made but um I was talking to someone recently about you

sort of how you do your deal sounds like if you if you imagine this make you uncomfortable no okay

if you imagine that someone I don't want to seem like a tall negative if someone read a transcript of your of what you asked you wouldn't be like oh my God

but you bring out things and in the people that you interview I like to listen to your show and you get something from people that people don't get you get it on purpose like I don't know what I'm getting I'm trying my best you are yeah some try my best to relate to people you had you'd like you know what I'm going to do you ever say to yourself you know how to do different know I don't that's the beauty of it all is is not that much thinking I mean I do think with some people like there's certain people at Cornell West I read his book before he came on I really wanted to be prepared because he's such a brilliant guy yeah same thing with like Sean Carroll like scientists you know anyone who's like guys you got your paying respect to the Yas complexity of their ideas yes and I like if say someone like like Richard Dawkins were talking about doing a podcast soon

if I if I have him on I will

devour his material you'll like a week or two beforehand I will read his book so listen to recordings and conversations and debates that he's had and I already am a big fan of the guy so I'll get a good understanding of like where I'm at when we lead into the conversation but then I won't have an agenda I would just like let the conversation flow and if there's a moment in time where I want to ask him like you said this thing about Islam wants like what did you do what do you mean do you mean this in terms of I got General understanding of the religion itself what about the individuals that are just trying to be good people that are born into this environment and this sort of a you know I will I will have some places to go to if we get stuck some things that I will but I won't I won't Force those things in yeah but I think it's like a in without with the risk of sounding pretentious I think that podcasting is in a weird way and art form

in the art is in like the people listening I know sometimes I talk over people are interject too much I disagree it happens it happens it just happens there's no way you can have a perfect conversation because I don't know when the person's going to stop talking and or I don't want to lose a thought and I want to jump in with it but I'm way better at it now that I was five years ago and certainly way better at it now that I was ten years ago and then I think that there's a an art to the way the things you're saying sound and how they sound people and there's an art to expression expressing genuine open-mindedness and genuine curiosity and like just a purity of thought no it does not there's you're not trying to make people feel about you a certain way you're not you just trying to explore ideas and there's a there's a smoothness to the way that's that

that's devoured by people when people are listening the way they're consuming it it's easy in the easier you can make it on people listening to more the like you so like the like if they know the K that's Steve rinella guy he loves his kids he's a nice guy he's friends love them like I like that guy listen to what he says when he talks to John Norris you know what does John saying about this and about that and like it adds to it whereas is there someone who's clunky and Loudon their disease fucking they're just trying to toot their own horn and all that comes through especially in this long-form podcast genre it's like this is the fucking mirror man like you with long-form podcast you find out who the fuck everybody is yeah that's good that's good point like like Bernie Sanders like I had Bernie Sanders on yeah there's a lot of people that like the fucking comments were insanely positive to like I thought

like I was crazy like I thought he was a nut I would see him in these little interviews Mike he just wants to give away everybody's money like there's a picture with burning with my dog and one of the fucking hilarious comments like he just wants to give your dog treats other dogs that's that's the the character I mean everyone has a character write the character that guy is he just wants to take money from successful people and give it to lazy people that's the worst the worst of view of Bernie Sanders you know and you get to see instead of like this narrative that gets established through these little short sound bites on these panel talk shows was three people talking over each other or debates or whatever it is all those are ineffective and what's interesting about his all those are fueling podcasts all those things that have so for so long been thought of as mainstream venues for getting your ideas out now they highlight all the problems with the

those and they highlight all the strengths of podcasts

that's encouraging yeah it's very encouraging and sober are you Bernie Sanders man he's a nice guy you know I I like some of his ideas I do not have a problem giving up more of my money as a person who's made a lot of money if I know that it's going to benefit the greater good of mankind in a real way to squandered I don't want to see it squandered I don't like bureaucracy I don't like red tape I don't like government I like people that are so lazy that they just want to take everybody's money and then do what they will with it and take long lunch breaks and this is the problem with like a lot of what we think of in terms of like government government is filled its bloated it's filled with assholes it's filled with people that just got government jobs and they're not good at it you know they just no one else wants that job so they take that job and they do a shitty job with it and they squander resources that's what drives people crazy and especially hard working people that know how hard it is to make a living you have to give a you know if you're a fucking logger you can give it away certain percentage of your money and your

hired all these splinters in your hands you're exhausted and some asshole is going to take away your money and you know allocate a certain amount of it to nonsense yeah you know gender research and all sorts of stupid shit that you think is just fruitless and it's just it's infuriating for people for hardworking people with dirt under their fingernails they don't want to think about anybody squandering their money yeah I'm instinctively

fiscally very conservative yeah not very fiscally conservative

people might look at where I'm at think that I'm socially liberal but in social issues I'm somewhat libertarian you know but I feel that I need the right to come my direction quite a long ways on conservation issues but at land that's yeah that's instinctively Where I Belong yeah but the right by need them to move back my know when I say back my direction because historically well I don't know the right and left hard to is confusing but yeah I need them to come my way on conservation well I like the way you've described yourself in the past that you're politically sort of alone that you're kind of without a party because the left wants to take your guns away and the right ones to take your land away now and this is what we see fiscally that what the most disturbing aspects of right-wing Administration says they want to sell off public land they want to figure out a way just a little bit just a little bit we're just take a little bit

going to use it for mining just take a little bit while we may lose this Salmon River but who the fuck is paying attention to that come on yeah I need one I'm watching yes me too and that's Ryan Callahan talked about that with what is it called Pebble Beach is that it no Pebble AA couple - yeah that means gigantic salmon Fisheries the biggest most important it's a yeah deeply mm yeah I don't want to get it too hard but yeah you can get into the weeds with this stuff but yeah it's like there's no Perfect Party there's no perfect politician there's no perfect ideology which pisses people off when you point that out yeah do we've gotten hit hard for that kind of stuff for pointing out that this just not you know we as a company like a meteor we've been like hit hard for pointing out that it's unfortunate that someone's not speaking for our holy for our concerns yes well what's interesting about you guys is people think that you're some sort of a green Trojan Horse it's just hilarious I've heard that

we don't really like you and you don't like God do we don't really like to hunt I love it but it's so Preposterous at my work and I work with the hardest I work with the hardest hit and I work with the hardest hit in hundred honors and fishermen that there that there are ever that I've ever lived you don't really like on it's hilarious no it's like Some Like It Hot some like Beltway lobbyists you don't really like hunting oh is that right it just shows you how silly people are like Let's Line them up yeah it's yeah come on bring your side over here let me let me see what you're doing yeah it's it shows you how ridiculous people can be in there their desire to like put people into a very small easily dismiss category you know it's like this is what people love to do yeah yeah that's what you do that drives people crazy as you defy

you're so hard bucket I love it

I don't sit around at night thinking about you but I love it I'm thinking about you either for makes you feel comfortable but I think we need more people like that yeah but was most people would think that I'm conservative with that I'm a Republican or an all tried or something like that I vote left on almost everything except gun control I just don't think that people understand what they're talking about when they're talking about gun control I don't think they understand the nuances of the Second Amendment or the nuances of taking away people's ability to defend themselves or to hunt or to you know to own something that may or may not be used against someone else but they never would use it it's you don't have the right to tell people what they can and can't have just because some people abuse things it's like this is a very complex conversation that people on the left want to boil down to guns equal bad oh I'm sure it's like it's like I don't have them and I can understand why someone would yes but therefore I don't know why you would

but at the same time there and we're sending her with a drink but the same time you look at like alcohol and one could make a very cogent argument about the overall destructiveness of abused alcohol for sure but people I don't hear a lot of people talking about Prohibition no no I had this compositional during Crenshaw I don't drink and drive Dan crunch I was a congressman is not for legalized marijuana nobody likes Scotch so we had this weird conversation would come on man stop you know I'm like when we're standing in front of a ash tray filled with blunts one and they said this idea that like if you're a marijuana smoker that somehow another you lazy like work out with me come get up with me to stop just stop that nonsense I would like to tackle with this with you

because I have questions about yeah about that being lazy being weed smoker is it weed smoking makes me work harder because it makes me paranoid I don't want to be lazy I want to earn my keep I want I don't want people to ever think that I'm slacking I love it that's great that's I think about comedy when I think about when I smoke pot I think about common I'm like I better get to work that's good that you get so paranoid in the paranoia is that you don't work hard enough hundred percent it's all of it all of it is why don't deserve my wife gets where she thinks not that she's going to pee your pants but that she has Peter Pan that's the most innocuous concern when it comes to alcohol marijuana ever that's a great one I wish I only had that one that would make it so easy to live with but mine AIDS productivity my my fears 8 productivity whether it's exercise whether it's you know doing stand-up is a big one because you know

I want to suck you just don't want to sock you don't want anybody to pay money and have a bad time that is the worst feeling in the history of the world I'm gonna go see it tonight yes if you suck I'm gonna fuck me like boo I'm working hard dude I might Heckle you but I've seen people that Co you and it doesn't work well they don't come out on top it's not a smart move because you're interrupting a show for your own idea your people are already rooting for the guy on stage some people Heckle you doesn't work out well for him well occasionally people are rooting for the Heckler if the Heckler has a good point like so I look people have heckled me and said hilarious shit and I'll laugh along with them it's like as long as we're not filming anything the real problem is people that want to Heckle in you're filming you know like you're filming something like don't Heckle yeah dude you're funny but you're not funny like to hmm not for like posterity it's alcohol it's all alcohol it's like you get a couple of drinks and you learn I had some funny shit to say to and you know my God you're not the only funny one is he bald man I'm not bald man up here Tommy what's funny

it's funny and I'm not and sometimes people have good points but that's the beauty of live performances you know you live in this world where from ready start who knows what's going to happen you press start and like this thing goes off in its own little journey and you have this idea of what the way you're going to steer it and you're bringing up subjects and you making people laugh but anything can happen anything can happen do when I saw you last I saw you in Seattle and

you know I want to say this but you are the people destroyed this by saying it we laugh my wife and I laughed so much I wish no one has ever pointed this out because people can be though it hurt my stomach hurt my stomach I laughed so much it hurt I'll as much I cried like yeah shut up but like we last March my stomach hurt my stomach muscles hurt that's as good as a person could ever get yeah that's the best my best yeah complement literally I had like stomach afterward we were talking about our stomach muscles like we're doing ab as like we had been doing a bunch of crunches

comedy's a crazy are for man it's a crazy art form there was a butyl it was like cuz we're like in the mix of it man when we have three kids that are under 10 is hard everything is hard and we went to see you it was just like

we went to see you re-watch your shit and

it was just for you know for this like glorious whatever I don't know 60 minutes 45 minutes was there just like two people

like a fucking like having fun that's the best thing really it's really nice and laughing as stuff that we thought what makes it especially fun and especially cathartic as were laughing about stuff that we felt like we're not supposed to laugh about yeah but you have this moment you have this Epiphany like oh you know what though it but it is funny it is funny and it's okay because you're with 3,000 other people and everyone's drunk yeah you're like oh we're on the same page but it is funny yeah but also like this that you can be a good person and laugh at things that are ridiculous and that you probably shouldn't be laughing at these things are possible not we loved it this the art form of that is the art form of Comedy you know the my favorite kind of Comedy My Favorite comic comedy is fucked up I mean I love all kinds of Comedy if somebody like is like a Jerry Seinfeld you ever notice like that's great to me he's an artist and he figures out a way to craft these things

take your kids to your grandma but I'm a Joey Diaz fan yeah like that kind of guy like Kennison I like I like prior I like that kind of Comedy I've told you this before and I've told you listeners this before now excuse me then I don't mean to wrap your own show by gotta go but uh

you didn't like this when I felt like you didn't like it when I said it before but your comedy comes from a position I think he liked I think you didn't like this because it sounds you're modest how do you know if I liked it he said but your body language your comedy comes from a position of strength hmm so much comedy comes from a position of self-loathing with self-loathing is funny right I can't get it up I can't please my girlfriend right I'm a horrible husband right it comes from self-loathing but to have someone come at comedy from a position of strength

is unusual because the formula is that it self-deprecating I'm so pathetic bright but to have comedy coming from an individual who isn't mired in self-loathing

is a really fresh angle and I feel like I brought this up to you before and you seem to they seem to not dig it I probably just didn't want to talk about myself yeah see what did want to talk about comedy because you come from a position of strength that's like defines just jokes if you came from a position of self-loathing you would have luxuriated in the compliment right probably like well thank you never thought about it that way I guess I'm okay yeah I guess I'm okay yeah so it was a compliment For You It's Tricky business you gotta go you're filming some shit with Brian counting yeah when are we getting together what are we doing come on man well I've been a long time I know and I know why turkey hunting or was it Alaska turkey but if you remember I propose you not long ago I was asking you about your availability to hunt elk and September but it kind of you know 252 hunts I have one I see I have that's the thing about having kids in a family and everything like that but I would like most is to bring you and your family up to my Fish Shack for few days let's do

because I think that children let's do that our kids are kids like kids yeah let's do that let's do that I'm into that my and like I said my youngest fucking loves fishing we'll have a great time it'll be good Stephen l ladies and gentlemen meat-eater mediator bourbon coming soon elk shank in the house the mediator podcasters with LJ meteor Boggess everywhere and live tours you guys are doing live podcast everywhere which I enjoy as well great thank you bye everybody

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