#670 - Michael A. Wood, Jr.

Jul 8, 2015

Michael A. Wood, Jr. is a retired Baltimore police officer and veteran of the USMC. He recently made the news for  publicly speaking out against police brutality and has become a proponent of a new era of policing.

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police officer in Baltimore obviously because of the news we have seen all the police brutality stories and all the craziness that's going on right now in Baltimore and he can give us some very unique insight into what it's like to be a police officer in Baltimore I really enjoyed talking to them very articulate and very empathetic and intelligent young man and we need more people like him in Lon

enforcement I think you're going to agree after you listen to him talk so without any further Ado please welcome Michael a wood jr.

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what's up dude how are you good job very good good to see you for folks who don't know the story Michael as he prefers to be discussed talk to as directed as referred to as you you were cop in Baltimore and you you put a string of tweets that I read that was on Huffington Post and that's when I got interested in this whole story

right because it's very rare that someone who's a cop comes out and tells about all the shit that they experience I have friends that are cops and I know there's a lot of good cops out there just like there's good everything you know there's a you know Sam Harris and Dan Carlin just did a podcast recently together it's really excellent podcast and one of the things they were talking about we were talking about people in power people that were our politicians that they there's a the whole Spectrum you get

great people people that are genuinely trying to do good and you also get Psychopaths it seems like you ran into a lot of fucking Psychopaths how long were you a cop for I was a cop for 11 years but look like you're 20 thanks how's that possible I don't know good genetics good genetics and I guess you did this trust and fuck with you it didn't really really honest how did it not my idea of a not of a what an officer should be was to be more robust

accomplished like where I took my emotions out of the job and handled it strictly as enforcing the law so if I was spit on I realized they weren't spitting at me there were spending at the uniform it was just a relevant I understood it was a personal so I separated that as like a role maybe like I was acting that's a great attitude to have I guess was that something that you thought about before you became a cop or is it something you've cultivated while you were a cop I can't say for sure

sure but it seems like actually think that was the wrong way to think but if you analyze it in your at that time you think well how am I not going to be biased I'm not going to be biased by by separating myself from the situation and kind of acting as autonomous right but I think that that also made me blind because if I was being blind to racism then I was being blind to when we were doing it even if I wasn't doing it I wasn't seeing it when it occurred either because I was literally blind

being myself to it so you're saying that if you were blind to racism against you then you were also blind two cops that were committing racism so if I looked at it as whether my whether I was talking to somebody of Latino Descent of black whatever male-female I looked at them just as equally regardless so if you do that then you don't see that you're disproportionately enforcing things against somebody because I'm literally not trying

you see that hmm so that's interesting so bye-bye trying to treat everyone as equal you weren't taking account of how many black people you were dealing with how many Latinos you were dealing with how many people of color how many minorities is that fair assessment it is fair to the extent that I admit that I when I was in a in the eastern district I would intentionally lock white people up so that I could make sure my numbers weren't like my squad

wasn't like oh my gosh look they look up 95 percent African-Americans I don't want to see that I wanted to see some kind of balance so I was like aware that hey we're locking too many black people up but I don't think I it's just didn't compute at the time it takes time for it to settle in so what about those poor white people that you locked up on purpose I got nothing really guilty at least yeah of course I never locked up a bite was a guilty well that's but you you experience a lot of shit I mean some of the things that I read that

okay here's one punting a handcuffed facedown suspect in the face after a foot chase pissing and shitting inside suspects homes during raids on their beds and close jacking up and illegally searching thousands of people with no legal justification this is crazy man this is crazy stuff well

when you're doing it it's just what police do you know it you've seen it on TV you've seen it driving by you've seen a corner full of black guys with the cops searching them you've seen it and when they're going into those Pockets you can't go into his pockets you simply can't but we do and what allowed to write zoo legal you have no way of doing it unless you're getting a Frisk where you have you can justify playing field doctoring and then you can get into the pocket but that's extremely rare I mean that that's a specific set of circumstances under

he stopped and that's nothing that was hairy stuff so Terry versus Ohio was a case law that established I could be slightly off in the particular but if somebody was displaying the characteristics of an armed person and you had suspicions or hunch that criminal activity was afoot you could stop that person and conduct a Frisk of the outer garments so outer garments right so just a pat down essentially so that our outer garments being the jacket right a jacket so if you had if like you thought there they had a weapon on their hip you could pull back the

it kind of Pat it down but it seems as the laws written it would have to you have to even like squish it and it's just what you can touch from the outside so if you patted the outside of the jacket and felt a gun that was in his waist then you could you could arrest him or take that gun right you're perfectly fine but you can't dig in his pockets and look for crack right what you can if you have what that's Plainfield Doctrine so if through my expertise I can tell that that is packaging that is consistent with narcotics that are distributed in the area

and I can justify that then I can go and retrieve those narcotics it's that's an extremely I mean if you can just think about that how do I really know that that bag in your pocket is marijuana not oregano that it's I don't not sure if that should be legally Justified or not so that's stop-and-frisk shit that they were doing in New York they're not doing that anymore right isn't that the deal we talked about that on a podcast once we went over all the times that it was just innocent people and it's fucking staggering it's disgusting that stop they would just be

to pull white I mean black kids I should why kids not really though right was mostly black heads they would just be able to pull them over go hey let me let me check you and they would just check their bodies and most of the time they were innocent most of the time there was nothing to check for I'm going to tell you that 99.9999% of them have nothing on them because they're not even usually documented so in Baltimore will do stop and frisk and if you do a stop and frisk you have to conduct an entire specific report

stop and frisk report that justifies everything you did and so it's a big pain so no one's going to write that so they just do it and they move on so your stats are at any state you see is junk so and the statute you see that our junk sit there and say one in a thousand actually have something on them so think about what reality is

changes um what what led to you leaving the police force and like was just a build-up it was this something that you thought about for a long time I right laughs yes okay we had a shooting range in the basement of the eastern district we had to move something we had to put one desk on top of another desk it slipped and I tore my shoulder out there's your exciting story for why I left that's it that's it what was the injury

I had my shorter reconstructed just Tora Tora it's where everything out and put it back together like what what absolutely it just came out and so the Abraham cold lately room not rotator cuff no so the the cartilage that folds over just doesn't hold it in the place anymore hmm so I can come out easily so if you can come out easily they don't let you be a cop anymore and and they process silicon come out easily right now yeah so it's a permanent forever commitments fucked up right from moving a desk yes all the crimes

I've got nothing I have nothing so you laughed and then you decide how long ago was this I got injured in like late 2009 but it took time to do the surgeries try and come back I mean I tried to come back I came back and I was going code it to a call with lights and Sirens went to turn down a street and the shoulder popped out so I went up onto the sidewalk and so I had to grab it with the other hand and that's when I said I had to go back in and then they said I need another surgery not do another surgery so from a fuck

and turn mmm wow

fuck you need to go to Cain Velasquez a surgeon fix that dude up pretty good I guess so you decided once you were out once you knew you were out you done the surgery you you couldn't be a police officer anymore because you shoulder blows out what made you decide to go public with all this stuff well I've actually talked about this for a long time when I have we had a lot of local media and a local Street reporters and stuff like that that I was friends with one Twitter and we would talk about these things for the last couple of years we were just go back

we're talking about things and I had no idea that anybody would pick up on this I thought I was just going to be talking to the same reporters and the same local group of people that I've been talking to the whole time so I came back and saw that somebody sorry pay attention and what was that like for you shocking yeah we were talking about it before the show started this newfound notoriety how weird it is like would describe it when we land in La guy asked if I was on TV talking about police and it's like

I don't know I'm used to being anonymous so I'm used to just going in minding my own business and not bothering anybody and then suddenly people know who you are it's it's it's awkward and especially for what they know you are because every time now a cop looks at me I'm like yeah it's going to I'm the bad guy now huh so I can't trust that as well it makes it kind of kind of stuck in a weird place so when this most recent Baltimore incident took place the

gray incident the eruption of public attention on police brutality in Baltimore and the marches and all the news stories then people start really paying attention to is that fair to yeah I mean it seems like that was the case I maybe somebody had followed me before and somebody with a powerful retweet I have no idea and so what was the explain how it all went down like how did you become this public figure I mean I've literally have no comprehension

action of what happened I decided that I was just going to talk about some of the things we do so that it's like look this is what we do let's not try to pretend that we don't do it we do it so it's not about whether we're going to blame the cops that did it or whether we're going to go back and have retribution we need to realize that this is what we do stop denying it the black community has been lying for the last 50 years we need to fix it and in a realistic scientific way where we have some empathy and treat people like human beings because we don't

what is Baltimore like to someone whom I might add my buddy John Rollo lives in Baltimore shoutout to John Rallo he was to the podcast all the time and the way he describes it is I mean I've been there a few times for the UFC but I haven't you know gone into the bad neighborhoods I didn't watch The Wire so but watching this this whole incident and seeing these people talk about how many times they've been arrested and how many times

have been fucked over by cops and how crazy it is there and how much crime there was there and how much violence there is there what it's like trying to grow up there and become a normal person and what a fucking uphill struggle that is described Baltimore to somebody like me okay so Baltimore like anywhere else is largely good but it has a microcosm of it it's like the prototype for the prison cycle so somebody comes up in a neighborhood and they just have no hope and they keep feeding that school too

isn't cycle over and over and over again and has a deep history in Baltimore so it invades everything so whether you're talking about are the things the police do or whether you're talking about where they live in Baltimore the you have clusters so you have a black neighborhood here a black neighborhood here black they were here white money white money white money low-income white and it's in these clusters but these clusters were intentionally formed by the law in Baltimore I can't even say how long it was maybe a hundred years ago

you still have Deeds now that say you can't sell that the house to an African-American person so like even if you were a doctor there you couldn't if you were black doctor you couldn't buy a house and nice white neighborhood six years ago so you had to still go buy a house in that little area and that if you're if you're clustering everybody like that it just pulls everybody down constantly constantly constantly it's like it's are just constantly beat down there's no way out so 60 years ago 60 years ago you couldn't buy a house if you are black guy in certain neighborhoods

and was it law they had this on the dips in the Deeds still some of the deed still have it what's right so this is dead no courts will uphold it but you're still see it you'll see it in there so you'll see the language so if there's a white neighborhood today there's there's a possibility that some black person who wants to move into this white neighborhood might encounter some resistance because of this I don't know if they're gonna counter resistance but they're going to see in the deed that's going to make you feel awkward fuck

why is it still in there it makes this original deed to keep carrying it over why wouldn't they change that I don't know I don't know I mean I've no idea why this city is that way why these people did these things it doesn't make sense nobody stood objectively and we created these racist institutions I mean they are institutional racism there's no doubt about it it's up and down in these Urban environments and these cities Cleveland Ferguson Baltimore Atlanta it's irrelevant they're all the same all these Urban environment in this all over Compton Watts

Inglewood there's a ton of places like that in La as well it's all over the world I mean all over the United States I should say there's neighborhoods like that that seemed almost inescapable did you listen the Mal Mal on Radio Lab yes I did okay you know how long back that goes me think I mean this is so we're denying that we have this so what people are saying these cops aren't racist not saying they are racist I'm telling you is there a participating an institutionalized racism just like everybody in Britain was doing back in Kenya with the mouse however

long ago that was that was a long time ago and you're seeing it come out how it's just the whole thing if you're participating in it you're guilty and that's why I'm telling you I'm guilty I participated in it is there a way to fix it well the easy thing from the police thing is I think empathy is number one we have to start treating human beings like they're human beings we have to like we just arrest them and you throw them in a cage just like they did with Freddie gray and you don't

focus on them being somebody's child or or your I mean race is a social construct this is my brother and I'm doing this to him eventually just doesn't it's inconceivable

we've had this conversation a hundred times in this podcast where I've always wondered why is it that we put so much emphasis in trying to repair damage that we've done in other countries so much emphasis in nation building so much emphasis in invading places because of whatever perceived threat or whatever natural resource we want to dominate monopolize but no emphasis whatsoever and fixing our own Inner City

no emphasis whatsoever in fixing the ghettos and just constructing social Center is giving people places that are safe to go to and somehow another educating people and and lifting them out one by one out of the fucking constant cycle that they're in this never-ending cycle of poverty and crime and being surrounded by it man you everyone knows that people imitate their atmosphere it's just a part of being a human being that's why accents

exist that's why people in some parts of the world do weird things because everyone around them does it like you know weird clothes that they wear or weird rituals scarring of their face you know what have you we imitate what's around us and when you're around a lot fucking crime and you grow up around a lot of fucking crime and a lot of people with records criminal records and it becomes normal and I don't know how to fix that and I don't I don't see any effort whatsoever in really

engineering some sort of a solution to what these poor unfortunate people are born into well for police it's even worse because we're perpetuating that situation so work were the ones doing that cycle so when we see a 60 at one time I was a shift commander in eastern district and I'm telling my guys stop pulling over old white ladies stop pulling over that young cute girl stop we focus on who commits the crimes and who commits the crimes in Baltimore

16 to 24 year old black males that's who's committing the crimes so focus on them that makes sense until you complete the cycle and realize that you start at doing that because of institutionalized racism and it in your organization and so when you are jacking up those guys in the corner and you do find that dime bag so you send him to jail now I can't go to work the next day so he loses his job and then he can't make it to court so he gets his license suspended and then he's driving and then you are focusing on those 16 2014 Blackmagic

oh so now you're more likely to pull them over now you pull him over now he has a suspended license now he gets his license revoked and now he can't get to the job legally and you just and now he's delts left with selling drugs on the corner so you we're creating it we have to step back and realize what the facts are and what we're doing and the number one problem is the drug war and then we have money and politics those are two big issues that we have to solve before we get anywhere well what is the money in politics how does that play So

don't think we can change anything until we stop having politicians that are serving their donors versus serving the people so somebody that's talking like me is never going to run a police agency as long as all their corporate donors are saying no no no you keep those animals in the cages because that's what they do I mean that's like a joke in Baltimore that police are actually the zookeepers you keep everything in and don't let it hit the county so that's that's our role that's what we're doing so your Mayors and your politicians are going to

you to encourage that they're not going to take a risk and say all right how do we lower juvenile possession of marijuana you know that I know you do you know you Legalize It yeah and you control it and rates actually go down whether we're overseas Aurora Colorado your possession rates for marijuana will go down among juveniles but we don't do that we keep looking at everything like we're a hammer searching for nails and we keep looking for what we're going to hit to stop it instead of standing back and using science and figuring out what are we actually

to do to fix this problem what will actually have results this is a this is a very rare to hear cop talk like this I'm really happy that you're coming forward and speaking like this but how many people that were with you in the police force or upset about this

my closest friends I think understand me I think the vast majority is upset with me and they're going to be upset with me because what I'm really trying to do is take power away from them I mean I really am I'm trying to take power from them and give it back to the people because we're supposed to be serving them we're not supposed to be this occupying force and this pretty little white boy from the county looks like an occupying force in the city there's no way around it so I have to be aware of that and think about that think about what I'm doing not be an occupying force it intentionally actually go out of my way to live

up a situation at deescalate it and do better than the come in there and be you're going to jail you're going to jail Shut up let's go which is what I did for a long time so when you say the county what does that mean well when you say white boy from the county what's the county right so the suburbs so in Baltimore's kind of weird it's a little different for Baltimore's incorporate it so has nothing to do with the county so there's like this hard line so it's not we're in and then the county of what Baltimore County okay right so you have the City by itself so here in Los Angeles

you think you have Marina Del Rey you have Englewood you have all this stuff is Allah in Baltimore it's just Baltimore so everything is concentrated and focused and me coming from the county I've never spent any time in the city growing up I come in just as straight from the Marine Corps that's ready to roll we're going to do our thing I'm going to put on a different uniform and continue my War wow so that was that was why you became a cop so you came right from the

and it just seemed like a logical progression so logical progression I think I went into the Marine Corps to prepare myself I was a little uncontrolled and decided to go into the Marine Corps to get my shit together and discipline my ass so I could get into the police department and everything would be and that was my always my goal so your goal was always to be a police officer right why was that I don't know said it since I was a little kid I think you go in with these grandiose ideas that you're going to help people and and and that maybe that's why I talk I mean it's still a

evolving that I'm saying these things so you're bringing up a point and maybe that's why I talk maybe I feel that it's I wasn't doing what I actually set out to do I was actually exacerbating the situation so you got caught up in the cycle yourself the cycle of law enforcement and the way law enforcement behaves in Baltimore and it just became habitual totally you don't think about it you just ignore it so when I say that I have that suspect that I chased and the guy comes up and kicks him in the face

I think to myself God that guy's a fucking asshole but not me I didn't do it right but I have the responsibility to do something there that was an assault on an innocent victim is not as bad as McKinney but its assault on the innocent victim that I should have certainly stepped up and done something about yeah it's just you're you're in it you don't I can't explain it how you don't see it until you've really just start to slowly step out

cancel what are we doing here we're starting to see more and more

videotapes police stories of police brutality do you think this is just result of cell phones or is the violence escalating or is the violence always been there like this but people are finally finding out about it I think it's actually D escalating violence yeah I think you're I think your cell phones are certainly scaring a lot of cops from from doing things but the only variable here is the proliferation of videos video cameras so as you get more and more

as you're seeing more and more but imagine what it was like before the cameras cops know the cameras are there we've known it for a long time so like we have pole cameras in Baltimore and so if we were going to do something on so there's a street called Monument that's full of these cameras that are monitored by the city so as an officer I always knew that if I was on that street I kind of had to behave in a different manner because I knew the camera was there now we know that the cameras are all the time so it's got to be much smaller

well there's always These Guys these say that you can't even believe the real humans like that fucking cop in Texas it showed up at the pool party and did the fucking roll like he's Paul Blart Mall Cop holy fucking shit when you find out that that's a real person just like rent so think about that situation so that's the McKinney situation where you have a guy assaulting a 14 year old girl and that Chief still comes out and still he has that Blinder that blue Blinder where he's saying there's 11 good cops there my ass there are there are

bad cops there because he just witnessed an assault on a 14 year old girl in a bathing suit and did shit about it so you have 12 bad cops but the reason why I'm talking is because I do think there's 11 other ones can be spoken to I think the guy that comes up in Pat's him on the back then it was like yo what are you doing why is your gun out if we keep talking to him then maybe he'll be able to go talk to more people maybe who realize what he's doing and we can kind of at least on a Grassroots level kind of changed what police think they're supposed to be

versus what we are we've talked about it on the podcast many times that I think that it's one of the most difficult jobs that a person can do and one of the jobs that has the least amount of respect cops like almost routinely are treated with disrespect and also they're there no one no one thinks about PTSD for cops people think about it all the time it comes to soldiers is become much more in the public eye but the

stress that's that's a part of being a police officer what is that like when you're going into these bad neighborhoods and you're dealing with murder when you dealing with all sorts of different assaults and domestic violence and theft and robbery like what is that like to be a person who deals with that everyday and how much of a factor is that play in these people snapping on people

this is hard for me to say because I don't feel like I had that I did not find the job stressful on the streets the greatest enemy was from within they say that Nanda watch don't worry about the street you got to worry about what the other officers are doing I missed that too I thought it was good yeah it was good it was a the the banter back and forth in that movie is very realistic what cops act like you think cops are all professional but we're sitting in the car talking about the same things that anybody else talks about and then your oh shit something's going on mostly pussy right

Bob yeah anyway so we're worried we're talking about how stressful it is right it's not--it wasn't stressful for me are you a weirdo I don't think so I think I built up that wall and do other people have that wall not all of them I know some of them handled things more personally so they take that so I don't think we want those people as cops I understand it's hard for them I get that but the job's not for anybody you're absolutely right when you say the job is nearly impossible

able I think it it is impossible to do right so that's why we have to be more human so that when we screw up we can say look I screwed up and this is why and people will understand where you're coming from whereas with Freddie gray we obviously screwed up there's no way around this but yet we still come out and be like oh what we don't do anything with the facts route bullshit yeah it's somebody in your possession and he's dead stop denying it no what was all that bullshit about him having a neck injury that turned out to not be true right yeah it's I was all bullshit

was it just something somebody made up online so I think he had an old car accident or some like that and the case had some kind of final disposition that was entered into the court records but exact it was harken back to something a long time ago so he died from being slammed up against the wall inside the back of a Paddy Wagon right so that's what's happened and what was he arrested for okay so let's think about let's put this in real terms okay please always want to put things in legal terms but you're in a high drug area

a lieutenant sees Freddie gray well allegedly seized Freddie gray recognize him turn and run so they chase they follow him they catch him they searched him and do we have a stop-and-frisk no no they didn't document a stop-and-frisk so because he's running does that mean that he that there's these suspicious right so believe it or not the law says that that's fine that you can chase him and you can stop him so my

media objection with that case I don't know why I can't think of it off top my head but that case there's no clarification on how much force is allowed to be used so in a stop-and-frisk you can actually use a legitimate amount of force but in that situation the running I don't really know how much force is allowed to be used there so I was curious how much force they use but apparently they didn't use that much force and they searched him and they got a knife out of his pocket so let's stop at this knife now how do we get into the knife

we searched went to his pocket and we don't have we don't have a stop-and-frisk right but even if you can somehow justify that the knife that he has is only illegal if it has an internal spring so how could you feel whether had an eternal spring or not and how many white people do you think carry a knife with internal spring it's going to be the same amount but do any of them ever get arrested never was that the internal spring so fucking stupid they have some releases for knives now that are easier than a switchblade

the whole thing is stupid so why do you create a law like that you create a law like that because you can fuck with the people that you want to fuck with that's why we do it because they saw West Side Story in something like that that's which plays right there and then now everybody's scared rights which laid in high school I thought it was a badass but then I realized like it's just a knife yeah a regular knife it's like a better tool like this switch plates fucking stupid spring breaks it folds up so this guy has switchblade is that what

well as well we haven't seen The Knife yet but by we have a don't even mean a switchblade with they're saying is so you have a system so you have a flip out you know some of them you have to use your whole Force right so summer cyst it right and assist IT pocket knife this bag is illegal in Baltimore but I assure you that everybody that's been arrested with that is 98% going to be black so the uses an excuse it's absolutely so we can fuck with who we want to fuck with exactly what we do so his knife was

like a utility knife that people might have in there and if you live in a hood hmm probably you might have an iPhone you probably good idea yeah so if I would have called him well I would probably change them thank you for stealing yeah I'm gonna chase them right but I would have stopped him he didn't have the drugs on him he wins I searched him I probably do take out the knife but I give it back to him and I say okay be safe sorry about that and we're good we're playing the game we know if did it bug you that you were looking for drugs did that ever like go what the fuck am I doing being some sort of a glorified

I'd Revenue collector for the state pulling people over and get wood for drugs yeah you're totally right there is no point in any consensual dot agreements to fight against them well but but my whole point is to keep it real it was fucking fun it was fun fucking great fun to catch him yes I live for the car chase I mean think about this think about if you're in a police car and you have the lights and Sirens right and you're going down like Coastal Highway

you're going down your favorite 101 or whatever it is and you're going through your side rows and you're chasing this guy there is no Adrenaline Rush that's ever compared to that it you live for it it's an incredible it's amazing and you don't really I I didn't really care why give me the car chase it was amazing that's so refreshingly honest I'm so glad you're talking like this because I always thought that too I was like that must be exciting for them like a fucking amazing cheetah chasing a gazelle I don't have three good

stories we could tell later on that I mean it's just like oh you can understand if you're in that situation is that one of the reasons why so many cops shoot people it's like the idea of the rush of being in a gunfight the rush of finding someone who deserves to get shot you know it's like when you're hunting all right you you know you see animals that you're not supposed to shoot but I swear to God there's a party fucking brain that wants to shoot a squirrel was like a 300 Win Mag you don't do it but there's a part of your brain you like you

have a rifle you look into the crosshairs squirrel doesn't even know you're there you don't do it but there's a part of you that wants to and I'm like why does that even exist because people like hitting targets the same reason why you like going to the range and shooting at those steel targets like why do you like because people like hitting things with guns because you have a gun like you said when you have a hammer everything looks like a nail and when you were in your cop car and someone takes off whether or not it makes sense to chase them it must feel like

like the right thing to do right like your instincts I'm going to go with you on the car chase not going to go through on the shooting for like was I

looking for the Target yeah I was you know if I had a guy with a knife I was sitting there I was telling him to put it down put it down but in my head I'm gonna fuck you want them to come after taking some of them fucking cop I'm going out there you know it's like this is what you do but but you had a line for I and I was gonna cross it I certainly was gonna cross I was ready to shoot if I had to but I was never going to cross that line you kind of wanted to shoot sure wow I mean I Come From The Heart I've come from the Marine Corps right I was in fast team right this is what I do

did I was trained from 17 I went there in court 17 I was handled a rifle and bootcamp and I went into special ops and I was trained day in and day out to kill that's that's the honest truth and then I have to transition into bringing those that skill set into a police department where I luckily I was able to separate myself and it wasn't an issue for me but I don't think that's where the shootings come from I'm pretty convinced that your military members actually won't shoot I'm convinced that the shooting some from Fear

that makes a lot of sense so the military members have more discipline they've been through real war and they understand shooting and death better yeah I think you just understand the Rules of Engagement better whereas the people that come from civilian life and you know there's a fucking video of this guy who's this big fat slob who's a cop and he's trying to get a hold of this guy and the guy winds up beating his ass and there's like this chaos thing running around but I'm looking at that guy

like this guy does not there's no way this guy should be a fucking law enforcement officer he's just way too out of shape he's just way too undisciplined you know his body is just not serving him correctly and he's involved in physical altercations with criminals and to be a person that is in day-to-day contact with people that may or may not want to kill you like you have to have a certain amount of awareness and you have to have a certain amount of physical

Leti yeah and you have to trust those abilities you have to realize that you're gonna be able to handle that situation I think it's easier in a city than it would be for Pennsylvania state trooper or something I don't know what I would do in their shoes and they're stuck on the middle of nowhere by themselves in a city all you got to do is hold on for 30 seconds you're going to get help but how they do it in those environments baffling to me but they don't get into a lot of shootings as much as Urban environments because I think it's that fear but I think as a nation We Fear the black man he's the demon

and so you saw that Mike Brown when that cop says he had a demon's look in his eye team is looking his eye what are you talking about do you ever see anybody say that dylann roof oh he looked like he had a demon look in his eye they don't say that they say oh this troubled youth but the black guys the demon so we have that in our society that that's the criminal so that's who were looking at and that's who were fearing were fearing the black man raping our daughters were fearing that that whether we want to face it or not as a nation it's real and we have to face it if we want to learn how to police properly

and we actually want to get our nation back to where it is and we stop we tear down these borders these things that we do these social constructs your flags your whether we have a line down at Mexico so that they can't come over here and we don't help them and we have our state's and we do all this other all so much dumb shit that we just make up the separate ourselves but there's no difference he's got more melatonin than I do wonderful whatever the just human being yeah we're all the same we know that scientifically we know this I agree with you on that but there the guy that shot the people in Colorado

that was one of the first things they said is it is he looked possessed that the his eyes were I mean I absolutely agree with you that there's institutionalized racism absolutely agree with you but I think anytime someone becomes a school shooter or I mean they treat that person like there some Psychopathic Maniac yeah I can see that did you get into altercations where you had to shoot people I could have pulled the trigger justifiably quite a few times but you never did no no see you want to level 11 years in Baltimore in the city

he didn't have to shoot anybody no no I can't I mean you're I know of two that were pretty - pretty close to me that were completely completely clean shootings and again wasn't it was an ex-marine maybe I'm being biased I don't know but well makes sense to me I don't think you're being biased at all I would want someone first of all it's a logical progression if someone is looking for a good job and they get out of the military it's a logical progression I would trust military members more than I would trust a civilian is never seen any any real gun

or any any real shit you know someone who has never experienced any sort of altercation like that and all sudden being thrust into it you just gotta hope they can keep it together so I know some people can but a lot of people can't someone who's been through the Marines someone's been through you know anything a Navy SEAL someone has been through war that person in my eyes is a much more qualified candidate than the average person it makes sense when you're talking to me and you're saying that you

had a certain amount of discipline and you had a certain but you're also being very honest about you wanted them to come at you know which I think is a natural human instinct I think it's very important that you're talking like this I really do because I think there's a lot of people that would shy away from talking like that especially someone who's still out of a career in law enforcement you know I think my hopes for resuming a career in law enforcement probably over yeah unless someone comes along and listens to this with an open mind and realizes know

this fucking guy is exactly what we need and I think that is exactly what we need we need people like you and we need people like you who other people are going to listen to and say well here's a guy who's on our side here's a guy who's not a racist here's a guy who's not just looking to shoot people and lock people up here's a guy who really came into this job wanting to help and experienced a bunch of fucking chaos yeah it's chaos there's no other better word for it it's the biggest shit show you'll see is going to an urban environment and being

he thrust in that because you're it's not just as I say it's not just a street its internal as well the whole thing is a big clusterfuck of mismanagement and no one's caring about what we actually need to do we need to end the damn drug war this is ridiculous that we're doing this so that's most of what you're arresting people for oh gosh I don't get all of it 90 90 percent Jesus fucking Christ how crazy is that how crazy is that 90% that's all that matters there

guns and drugs guns and drugs guns and drugs guns and drugs and guns probably are there so they could sell drugs and defend themselves defend themselves right yeah fucking hey man what a crazy crazy situation just a bizarre police date set up by the fact that drugs are illegal

man it does I mean it invades the entire thing so when we saw what happened with alcohol right so ganks take over and you have violence do you want to lower the violence and that the mission of the police do you want to lower the violence then every single Chief out there needs to be saying hey we need to end this drug war stop it yeah how many cops are saying that we need to stop bars how about none I'm sure there are single bar you know maybe that's what causes all the fighting we all know that if they were all sitting around

looking they've nothing would have happened yeah but also I support their right to get fucked up if they want you know I've been drunk a lot I've never heard anybody never never did anything fucked up never caused any crimes never heard anybody never you know I just don't think that human I think human being should be able do whatever the fuck they want I think when you when you violate somehow or another you violate either other people's rights or other people's safety or other people's

Health and Welfare then it becomes a real issue and you should be prosecuted based on whatever transgressions you've committed right so don't you agree then that the drug war distracts you from actually being hundred percent real police hundred percent totally turned you away from it what kind of relationship did you have with the people in Baltimore that you what your area did you develop friendships did you develop any sort of connection with those folks none I was an occupying Force I handled my stuff and I went out because so so too

no you if you were in my neighborhood I would have to stop and talk to you and I have to spend time with you I may even have to talk to your kids we could shoot the shit on the corner or something like that but the whole time I'm doing that the Departments are going to actually be criticizing me and saying I'm not doing my job because you're not writing tickets are not pulling people over you're not you don't you're not meeting your quotas I'm not getting my stats I'm not making the arrest that I need to make so I was I came out of

the academy and went and walked foot where Freddie gray is and the gilmor homes so that was my first foray so I got solidified into this Us Versus Them you threw me right into the biggest war zone we have foot one foot well how many who were you with another another trainee they had no idea what the hell he was doing either you and wanted to team up with two others so you playing cops right we're totally playing wow and we were doing all drug arrests so we would go up and we would like go and covert and into the project because the project had heat and it was winter time so you

like break into one of the doors and had heat in it and then you could watch what happened in the courtyard and people would sell and we would have one of us would run doubt out of the room circle around so you would go and break into a room because it had heat in it right because their projects their they say the heat stays on so it would be an empty vacant they come apart like right yeah and the heat would be able to pick the lock or just Kickin it always find a way anyways pick a lock you get a key there's always a way and someone else usually already did it for

you right and we would watch them and like my first arrest went down there and grab them and the first thing he says these aren't my pants because he knew he had the drugs in them arrested that's hilarious boy did you know you were in for a fucking world of weird isn't what a great way to start off a career that's like the perfect way the first guy you arrested as these are not wise man first thing it's a grab his arm so I go there

and I go to the southern which is an area where it's a you would be fascinated there I'm just gonna be bailing on us because it's the whole point of this is you have a black ghetto you have white trash for the most part and then you have this cluster next to it of really good people doctors lawyers just regular people at in that area that are nice and they mingle together and it's chaos so I go from that case was in chaos because college kids that are going to University of Maryland think that they

just walk down the street into the bad neighborhood and everything will be fine they think they can drink and walk down the street and nothing's going to happen to them the the and what does happen they're gonna get robbed they know what we know I think they didn't know we know it was like hey what are you doing don't do that the the the whites in the neighborhood you would have a really hard time figuring out your reports because you were supposed to put in like who the person's relationship was and you're like wait so your cousin is that wait you sure he's your cousin and your uncle this is

making sense so what block do I put the guy that did it was he your cousin or know he was your uncle it's like no and everything was all together so like there's so much inbreeding really you actually you would have these crazy things that you would have Hispanics that came in and we're trying to come up themselves and it was all just go together it's chaos you can go there right now and it's just a crazy societal testbed of

he coming together from these entirely different backgrounds and there's real inbreeding yeah it's like super common everybody knows it really what the fuck so I go from there and I go to inbreeding is like if you run into that every day not every day once a week yeah maybe if you're working there so I go from there and I go to the Northern District which is this area called Mount Washington Mount Washington is an upper-class 80%

80% white you have judges that live there you have nice houses four or five hundred thousand dollar houses and now I'm in this environment and its holy shit where am I yeah I'm in white land now I have this road that's called cost Country Boulevard and it has extreme next to it what the hell am I doing here so I'm spected to get the same amount of rest and I'm expected to write the ticket so I have bosses that are telling me like you're not doing anything what am I supposed to do I'm like in a good neighborhood what do I do

so I would leave my area go to the black neighborhoods and make drug arrests so I could appease my bosses with my arrest numbers so you're continuing that cycle once again I'm leaving that area to go poach and specifically continue that cycle and I'm doing it because that's what I'm supposed to be doing so if you were in a place that had no crime you would get in trouble yeah yeah I had it my one sergeant had to defend

constantly because I went to a post and that same district where I started bringing the crime numbers down but I didn't have the arrest and he had to defend me to his bosses saying like look he hasn't had a part 1 of a serious crime in a long time that's like that's his job and I was getting criticized all times I didn't have as many yeah that's like the ultimate goal right is to have no crime shouldn't it be the metric that should be symmetric but if we all had no crime like I've also I've often proposed this like if we had a moratorium on

I'm if the whole country got together and said alright no one for the next month we can go 30 days without speeding 30 days without illegal turns 30 days without any violent crime 30 days without any theft what would happen we probably make some up but make up some crops that would just to arrest black people outside would be that would be what reality is but what that's what we shoot so like my liberal idea of policing would be to

our that officer that's on the street so even if there wasn't crime then would he would really be doing is making sure that the alley was cleaned up solving problems that are in the neighborhood so whatever the problem could possibly be you know there's this guy that calls me Parts on this corner in the street sweeper can't get it well fix all those problems even if you don't have crime the peace officer The Protector should still have plenty of things to do so it shouldn't be just crime crime should be an element of what police do

did you have to pull over people and write tickets for speeding and shit like that or no Baltimore doesn't care about that they don't care no you just drive crazy yeah pretty much real yeah there's there's no traffic cops or anything like that in the city what yeah it's just doesn't work that way what yeah there's no traffic I mean maybe a district here there might have one guy that kind of primarily does traffic but it's just Patrol officers are expected to handle traffic and again remember I'm not being judged right on that

I don't why would I care right so my car stopped the only reason I do a car stop is to get guns or drugs maybe a warrant

like so so if I eat on a plate right right and the guy has a warrant driver as a warrant then yeah I'm going to do that so I'm not going to do it unless it's having a possibility of an arrest I'm not gonna sit there and write bullcrap tickets did you arrest the same guys more than once yeah yeah plenty of time especially when I was doing narcotics so after I went from the northern I went to a unit called the violent crime impact division it was like playing close got that the tats out and be all tough and run around like you're you're you know they called knockers and the City

and so from there you're dealing with the same street level dealers all the time and one of those kids actually really struck me maybe so a great irony that I had in doing drug work is usually drug Works makes you send you to the deeper into it and actually pulled me out because I would interview these guys in the little rooms and this one guy Daniel Taylor's the one on specifically remembering and he was just a marijuana dealer and he had a kid and he was struggling

they have this kid he was young he was trying to help but he had gotten a locked up a lot when he was younger so he was selling weed just like buy diapers for his kid and he would tell me his stories and if we'd be there and he would be crying and it was just like fuck there's no difference between this kid in me there's nothing the only difference between this kid and me is that when I had a dime bag of my pocket there wasn't a fucking chance and how someone was going to look but him he was going to get caught eventually and it sent him into that spiral and this could have been a good kid and I wouldn't be

surprised if he was still in jail now and there was just nothing wrong with him we are whole system created a criminal out of a decent kid and it was shocking to me like I like I knew I was following the rules and so I had to arrest him I had to finish this up because it's doing what I'm supposed to be doing but it was kind of heartbreaking to start to see that these people they didn't they weren't different than us they just had a different environment than us and we should be changing that environment not changing them

so you felt this was so let me back up a bit this going into this district and this new position why were you allowed to wear regular clothes and what was the idea you're supposed to blend in so the idea yeah so you're supposed to have an advantage to sneak up and all that and I also I have a talk quick funny story about that but you're a white guy bet yeah this is really good to start your appreciate okay so I that's always a struggle right so the tattoos blackface no no stop it so why is that bad

understand it I really don't know so the tats were out I had a red Mazda 6 with tinted windows Virginia tags cutoff sleeves was rolling down thinking I was blending is it I look like I'm some buying this is gonna be anything I do consider maybe like carving a lightning bolt your hair have done something crazy yeah so look a little more kind of like I was out there by like your transracial perhaps not opening that kid they're not gonna like it's already open

don't even have to dig in it's overflowing I don't have an opinion I'm so happy that girl's alive I'm so happy this debate is on it gives you father well yes I'm a fan of human Folly so so you're rolling around like a white guy sticking out like a sore thumb thinking I wasn't and turn the corner and literally of like four-year-old boy he's like yo Dad I'm knockers right there fuck this is as good as I get this is all I have and I

still got Blended so what was the point there was a why so they knew that there's a position that cops get into where they they're allowed to dress like normal people talk knockers in Baltimore and your called knockers by the police department as well or was just find out by the civilians variance and why do you think it got knockers obvious answer why knock heads it's what you do oh I just run the street you're the force your the enforcement team so that's actually what it was cause of forcement team we went out there

stamp down the drug is there pressure to be intimidating to like to you must yes you must be intimidating I wouldn't survive so you can look at me and you can think of me being in the wire and Jamie would I have survived if I was not intimidating no no I wouldn't survive until Watch The Wire God damn it so like a technique is actually the five one of the biggest baddest dudes in your area and kick his ass fuckin Punk him yeah so

use weapons or what it how you do know you're going to arrest him for something you're going to be a little rough with him you're going to do something to because he's the he's the king dog in that neighborhood right you have to assume the alpha role if you don't do that you're gonna get run over a lot of cops don't do it if you don't do that you are not going to survive in a drug unit for sure you're gonna get trampled why do you why do you survive if you do do it I would think you're making an enemy yeah it's a battle it's a war so what it is it's a drug war don't be fooled that's what it is

that's what we've created it so it's US versus them and if I'm going to be ahead I have to be the Alpha Dog right you know I've never obviously never been a cop but I worked as a security guard for a while at this concert place and one of the things that I've recognized would really early on was that there was a us-versus-them mentality just from fucking security guards at a concert place and I would imagine the US versus them between cops and the people on the street gets pretty fucking intense pretty

Division and that is how you can have a black officer who's participating in races organization just like anybody else did you have a lot of black officers in Baltimore is about it's about even wow so but there's no difference maybe even the black officers a little bit more aggressive I have a theory on that but I well that was a nice tea thing I just he used to talk about that and props about it right yeah that I think that's what they've always felt that there was black cops that made up for the fact they were black by being

extra brutal yeah that's what they thought I don't actually think that that's why it's conjecture but my part but I think that's because they're actually they feel embarrassed that those people they feel like like the black criminals are making the black race the black community look bad so they kind of like extra angry whereas I'm not going to be angry because I don't care oh I see huh maybe it could be a little bit of both yeah or either or certainly fit for different people wow what

fuck dude what a crazy life you lived and I didn't think about like that the time right but now being out of it how long did it take before you realize how fucking crazy it was it started when I was in but started with like talking to that kid that was right and then I would also sit in covert and watch so you'll love this one time I was we're doing a long investigation and I had this vacant building that I would hide in homeless dude was there and homeless dude would like leave magazines for me and then like I would come in during the day and he would come in at night it was a

weirdest exchange we never cross paths though he would magazines for ya top monthly ya know that I was a cub lovingly Playboy or idli my time yeah I don't like that whatever he had and he knew I was there I knew he was there but we never actually cross paths but they had actually left them for you though yeah we both knew her there and he had a there was a picture big huge picture of Jesus filling the window and so I carved out Jesus eyes and I would stand behind him and that's how I watched so it's like a double meaning

Jesus Christ so I was actually standing behind him watch it all the drug dealers on the investigation but while I would watch all these investigations like that you would see everything from what it was and not for your perceptions because you were there for so long so I would see the dealer sitting there but then I would see him take care of his kid I would see him sit down and make food I would hear the other people in the neighborhood talking about their lives and hearing the smells of this you know here in the sound smelling the smells

and realizing that this just wasn't a war this is ridiculous we were doing this this was not the enemy this was a socio-economic problem that we had to deal with but this isn't this isn't the enemy we're not at War this is preposterous so by being embedded in their their Community you recognize that we really are or you really were an occupying force and just a community that's trying to get by just a bunch of people that are just like URI but there are circumstances

were unfortunate they were born into this this situation where this this cycle is perpetuated over and over and over again and you got a chance to see it all right let's not fool ourselves we want all won the lottery here by being born in America hmm we all won the lottery by being white

so we have to recognize Rachel

that shit is not it's not white sure identify as black I don't again I don't have an opinion or that I don't shit don't send me that everybody should be everybody should Orange is the New Black right right is orange ever look at her skin sorry I'm not wrong look she did some good work to she's a good she was running the n-double-a-cp very well it's a great and she's there she's got some issues she likes black dudes at she want to fit in a little farther

little bit whatever get you some people want to be check some people want to be black who gives a fuck let her be black sure she's helping I got you a lot of people got mad at her though yeah I can imagine we're getting off track it's all right did other officers share your your want to say like I don't want to say humanization but do your recognition of the fact that these folks are just like you did other officers have that same feeling

I think a lot of them do and it wasn't discussed no I mean you don't discuss it while you're in except for maybe a few people when I was a sergeant I had a pretty good sphere of influence so our Squad was a little more talkative about things like that and could be open and discuss those kind of things well I took an officer wants and just put on plain clothes and kind of walked around the district just not being cops and that shows you like how much different the neighborhood it is than what you think because you go from nine one one call to 9 1 1 calls 9-1-1 call

in everybody at their worst and when you're not seeing them at the worst you're hunting for somebody that you can possibly pretend that they're doing at their worst whether they have drugs on them or whatever but when you go through the city it's not at all what you think it is so even me looking like a prototypical white kid looking to sell to buy drugs in the hood when I would go through the deal it's not like the dealers are pushers I mean they would come up and yo you want to party no you keep on moving

sometimes didn't trust me I was in too good of shape they be like no but they want like they were like pressuring you it's not like things were crayons neighborhood ladies were sweeping their steps but the neighborhood changes when you have that blue uniform in those lights and you're now the authority you kind of have to see the city for what it's like when you're not there right so your point of view riding in a car it's like you there's a filter super myopic yeah yeah and you never really get a chance to experience it

like a person who lives there I mean even if you don't really if you don't live there but I mean just you get a better view of it walking around and not not acting as a cop right it's it seems common sense that you would do that what would you think about cops being forced to live in the places that they have to patrol I think it's a try that's a real tough situation was real tough argument very nuanced I would there's no way I would live in Baltimore City because I didn't make enough money for my daughter to go to a private school

and I wasn't sending her to that school to prison cycle right so I moved the PA where I could send her to a good school and actually afford to now sure if I made enough money if you're going to pay an officer $150,000 $160,000 yeah he can stay in the city he or she could same city but when you say PA you lived in Pennsylvania right so how far away was that from where you were 40 minutes so you would live in Pennsylvania send your kid to school there and then drive to work right fuck man and that's common so a lot of

he's living in the southern PA area driving back and forth in my a lot of workers period do that there's a lot of communities around Allah I like Simi Valley is a big one where there's big communities of police officers is that the same thing with their with a sort of decide to live near each other close together but you don't do it intentionally no it's economically driven okay so it's economically driven like you find a place that's affordable but you don't you don't you don't try to move where the other cops live no I wouldn't want to do that and we worked with them all day

well I know my friends are cops eat they actually did it on purpose or some that live in Santa Clarita are deeper than they get there pretty deep into that been well you know how it is it becomes like a gang right it isn't it is we actually say in the city that there is one gang that's the blue gang so like we don't let people so aggression is good in a certain extent we don't let a gang members through Flags like it so my post if somebody had a red bandana blue bandana stick another pocket that shit was not going down so you arrested someone I wouldn't

laughs um I'm just Punk him Punk him so so you're embarrassing me in front of his friends you take his stuff and you roll out did you ever experience resistance that's right they're going to resist going to resist that then it's going to go bad logs that you are not like that no nothing no because it's the game so I'm respecting the game you know there's a game the drug game so I have my role the drug dealer has his role and were playing this back and forth and as long as we all play by the rules everything is fine

is the cops stopped playing by the rules of the game then you have a problem as soon as they stop playing by the rules of the game you have a problem just did the futility of it all was that obvious yeah incredibly obvious there's no point so we had a I remember a case we had where there was a group that was selling drugs and we worked on it for about a week or two took down the whole group and two days later there was a whole new crew running the exact same neighborhood throwing the same product and we were just like fuck that was pointless right we just took the all them off and there was

no point to it whatsoever and it was all drugs anyway it's all drugs fuckin'-a man everything is drugs this you know if I was a conspiracy theorist I kind of been one in the past but I've mostly abandoned that but if I was I would feel like this is engineered I would feel like this is just set up to make sure that these people stay poor that you keep arresting people and you you keep this cycle going I don't think your conspiracy there's is that think you're right

is it because it exists and because the system sort of feeds off of it or was it engineered I think the prison industrial complex has a huge role in that so especially with your privatizing prisons so you're creating a vacancy for a bed that must be filled so who's going to fill that so this is where institutional racism also comes in I'm not going to fill it with you we're going to fill it with me we're not going to fit with Jamie Jamie sketchy look at him now we're going to fill it with black

people we like the least right as a society people that you feel like you can demonize the easiest when that judge got arrested in Pennsylvania for sending kids to jail and juvenile just for money we really got a view into this world that I don't think would have I think a lot of people that open their eyes they went whoa I'll fucking judge judges can be that bad judges can be so evil that they would ruin a child's life just so they could profit off of it but that's essentially

what's going on by keeping the system the way it is today the Baltimore Police who was he the head of Baltimore Police the commissioner and the commissioner he resigned or was he fired it was fired he was fired and why was he fired because of all this shit that's going down yeah it's a really hard situation to say he's fired because he never led the agency he never had the agency ever really don't like Outsiders so

when he comes in here from Oakland California know if he came from Oakland Oakland is fucked up to Oakland is like one of the worst police brutality spots in California you find that to be coincidental that narrows our Uprising Oakland and an uprising in Baltimore two agencies he led this motherfucker what's he doing now put him in jail how about that see how he lasts you don't think it's gonna happen to you is it ya know so what is his name again this guy Anthony Batts and what did he do this fucked up he just never had the agency so

never take responsibility you can't so they come in and they come in with these ideals of what it's like in Baltimore and they don't know what it's like in Baltimore because he knows what it's like in Oakland there's a hate mail I mean hypothetically barely barely seems right so they come in with these just these ideals in this I don't know Aura and they're never going to get us like they're never going to get us to follow them so it doesn't matter what he does we're not going to follow him he doesn't

he after the riots he said he should have trusted his instincts and done more than Tend to rely on his commanders like you just threw your commanders under the bus and public and you think this agency is going to follow you what did you get me so he's a politician essential oh they're all are that's one of our problems that's why I had to get money out because we're led by politicians and policing

what could be done like if you like let's say this thing becomes bigger and look I think what you're doing today is very courageous and you're speaking very eloquently and very articulate and you're honest and and I really believe you man I believe you from the heart a hundred percent there's a possibility that people like you and all these activists that are they're making these giant protests

and causing all these people to be aware of all this police brutality and this fucking horrible cycle that these people are are thrust into a guy like you could really change something

a guy like you if you were in a position of power there might be something that you could do would you consider doing something like that I would consider it if we had the environment to do so because it's going to be ugly at first because I can't stop the drug war it's not it's not in my control well you shouldn't stop the drug war what like what what if this is a big hypothetical but what if we went into some sort of a situation that's competence country

drugs became decriminalized where the United States woke the fuck up and realized we've been doing the same shit that they did during the fucking 20s during you know prohibition we're doing the same shit we're telling people what they can't do they're not listening and we're feeding organized crime or feeding crime that is filling a vacuum just like it's going on in Mexico right now just like these poor fucking people that live in these border towns in Mexico the it's all being fueled by the

fact that drugs are illegal and they're selling these drugs to America if all the sudden that changed how much of an impact would that have on police it would be striking that that again that's 90% of what I did so if we would stop doing that it would be incredibly advantageous but what would they do with you guys see what I'm saying like Focus let's investigate violence let's figure out how we're going to fix things so so you some science to say we have a problem what do we do to

actually solve this problem instead of being fueled by ideology what are we actually doing well do you saw this recent thing on Obama's going to release all these nonviolent drug offenders mean that's a good step I concur completely that's a great step now if he does that and if the next step is obviously not a resting violent nonviolent drug offenders not arresting them at all like with there's no more rest for drugs unless there's violence involved and then you're arresting someone for

violence which is totally reasonable it doesn't have it doesn't matter if they're violent over fucking stuffed animals or cocaine who gives a shit they're violent right there hurting somebody that's why they're arrested how much would that transform neighborhoods how much would that transform this entire cycle of people going from communities that are just engulfed in crime and becoming a part of that themselves because they were unlucky enough to be born there I think it's the biggest thing we could do as a nation

only put Wolfpack and getting money out of politics ahead of it because I question that we can actually do that as money continues to fuel the politicians and wolf pack is what set up by The Young Turks right yeah let's fucking fantastic I love that there's another thing that I my friend Steve Hilton put together called crowd pack where you could see exactly what politicians are being supported by what we're getting the donations from and just and what they vote on get a

real clear analysis of their position based on influence based on the amount of money they're receiving and where it's coming from so it's all shocking shit because it's I just would hope that as we move forward as a human race as we move forward as civilization moves forward and we Embrace technology and we understand that we have more access to information now than any human beings that have ever lived ever to keep living the same way even though we have all these obvious

problems right in front of us is ridiculous I mean it's literally the definition of insanity doing the same thing over and over again hoping for a different result and that is the definition of insanity right totally agree there's just there's no way around it that we're doing this wrong and that's why I'm saying the only reason I'm saying this is because we are doing it so wrong and it's so blatantly wrong it's like you have to have a cognitive bias to not see this like how how the is really the older generation I a kind of

very much confidence that our generations and younger will be able to solve this it once we get in power but how they don't see this now is absolutely baffling and I don't I think they don't see it because it doesn't affect them so why should they care well you still on the force where the when that guy got choked to death and Staten Island I don't think I was when I was Eric Gardner yeah our garden that one drove me fucking crazy because there's a video of it and you get to see the fact that this guy was so innocent there's nothing wrong with what he was doing just hanging out through dance Taxi

generous land tax evasion then exactly the idea that these cops are going to choke a guy to death because he's not paying taxes on loose cigarettes not only that he didn't have any loose cigarettes on them and they wrestled in the ground choked and then try to say that it wasn't a Chokehold though the mean that one just highlights the difference between the way they treated that guy versus the way they would treat one of their own verses it says a clear US versus them and they felt like they could do that they could do that they had the papers were signed

he had the directives obvious that it was within their boundaries to take this guy and to physically assault him and arrest him yeah and so they don't have empathy so if you want to see them have empathy please we need to be moral we need to be human that's what I'm like my main message is we have to lead with empathy that's the starting point of everything so if I'm going after that guy I can immediately see that whether there's a law or not the idea that I'm going to take someone's Freedom away like date

his life away but they were planning to take his freedom away for essentially nothing in stupid tax that's a pennies that just provide a posture is this yeah it's if somebody if you don't have five bucks and you want a cigarette that guy's a providing a service that's why don't you let him set up a little booth and he can did not only that didn't he pay taxes on those fucking stats so what Jesus Christ I mean you know he's making a little bit of a profit but who gives a shit total no one's getting hurt no one literally no one's getting hurt

and the money that they could have made just by eliminating the drug war in taxes would make that look like a pittance just amount of taxes are getting from Colorado Colorado's fucking changed I mean it is morphing right in front of our eyes and becoming this free Utopia yeah you got a lot of dirty hippies are in a lot of fucking homeless people but that's part of the rap you gonna get that they don't bother anybody that we know that's I mean they might bother you a little bit whatever change yeah who gives a shit I mean that's that's

conservative see this why don't these because they're white and they live in the suburbs and my neighbors don't think what money I mean that money is going to go to their schools as well that yeah that's going to make it safer for their kids to go to Fourth of July in the city that's going to make it safer for all of us the answer is blatantly obvious that we must end the war on drugs and we must get money out of politics but we just sit here with our sitting on our hands well I agree with you but I think you having these kind of conversations live online in a

form like this where it's going to be distributed to millions of people you have the opportunity to influence people that might not see things your way because you have a genuine insight and it's a real perspective that very few people including me could ever hope to have you saying this kind of stuff and you talking about this kind of stuff can shed some light in a way that other people can I'm listening to you talk here man I'm like you're the fucking perfect commissioner your the there you're the kind of guy that I would want running a police department you you

your guy who's been there a guy who's served the country been there as a cop understands what the problems are and and has Solutions and has empathy and really is you're saying all the right Chet mean this is what we need this is what the police department of the world of this country at least need we need someone like you so how do I convince other cops of that that's my struggle I don't know man I mean I know a lot of cops listen to this fucking podcast I'll tell you that I mean I don't know if this is going to

to change them they're going to fucking Joe Rogan's High listening yeah you know the streets with us dude but you know you've seen the blue Thin Blue Line sticker right yeah that black on the top black on the bottom so we even visualize ourselves the wrong way so were this Thin Blue Line and The Thin Blue Line goes to the middle and it separates the good guys from the bad guys and it makes us neither our entire mentality is that we are somebody that separate we're not the good guys or the bad guys wear a separate entity that that runs this shit

and put that that shouldn't be that way there should be like a blurred blue and black we should be part of our the fabric of our society and we should we should be ingrained in it but instead we fish ourselves like a wall and we shouldn't be a wall I think human beings inherently have a problem with power you know that's why you see I mean you see it across the board when people have power and influence over people like it seems to be a natural inclination to

boozing and it takes someone a very strong character and insight and objectivity like yourself to not do that or at least to recognize that you have done that and that it is wrong or that it was wrong it seems to me that like whether it's politicians or whether it's a military or whether it's what are someone like fucking Bill Cosby you know like how does a guy become that guy well I eat has to be out of power you know I mean it's the power even even just

it might be a stretch but the power to drug someone the power the ability to do that and yeah it's like how what it is what is it about human beings that that makes them exploit people that are below them instead of trying to raise those people up to their level there's some fundamental lack of understanding about the Brotherhood and Sisterhood of the human race that gets it all gets fucked up when you have a job

and it seems to me that if you have a quota and if you have a boss that's telling you you need to arrest more people you need to lock up more people like these streets are too safe you're either either you're doing the right thing or you're not doing enough and they almost always think you're not doing enough right the way they never would think oh this guy got lucky and he created a good relationship with all these people and we locked up all the bad guys and all the people in the community that are left are all safe

there's no more violent criminals it's a beautiful Utopia of a neighborhood and we never never have to arrest anybody there ever again so cops would just be there just text sort of the say hi and Patrol the streets yeah that sounds like a great idea and but you see it right you see that so you see it so the first step is to recognize it and so do we have a problem with power we have as human beings maybe we do so let's acknowledge that and put measures in place so that we don't exceed our power boundaries have some checks and balances in Lon

for Success we have zero we did away with everything we want to get away with until there's a camera the only difference all these other things that you've seen in the past you've heard these stories of guys getting shot unarmed but yet he was attacking my gun or he was taking my gun how much do you really believe those now well we saw that's the one where the guy in South Carolina shot the guy in the back and then drop the taser walked up to and through the taser down here is body I'm gonna drop say anything there's a video of it I don't know if you don't cop saw it I don't know I'll do it is right in front of them you something

fan of it because I don't videos is normal normal we're not the only saw the one guy is the other guy in the video the other guy see the the taser because it obviously sees it I mean first and right next time on I could I don't I don't know but the fact that he shot him in the back while I was running away I mean that's kind of fucking crazy it's crazy is that guy's being charged for murder right well that's nice but it's because anybody Riot nobody ride it there but why because he they don't with all they're all booked all the uprising

DeRay was booked dear Avis activity things what happened with d re you got them to not not this guy d rave is a really Noble activist and I appreciate everything this guy doing and I appreciated him making Wolf Blitzer look like a fucking idiot on TV but he had me blocked for some reason but you got him to unblock me I got him to unblock you what I think it's totally conjecture but I think he's just leery of us and I understand

why people us we're in the same group I think so all right and he's a wide he blocked me because I'm white that know that some to do now he's blocking has something to do with something he thought that you said what do you think I said I don't remember but how can a black know you got to talk to him okay you can't say it I know I mean I just don't know enough and I didn't dig it was just not my business okay so so he thought I said something racist I don't know what he thought you said he said he thought you said something that he didn't you didn't like and I just said you know trust me he's fine

and he's one of the good guys don't worry about it okay maybe I said a joke you mrs. some off-color it's always hard wrong with being a comedian man may be heard me talk about trans racialism and how I support it I think he's probably a little goof on that and self well you should be but why not look he's a good guy and I hope things but I know I think this is lack of trust well I understand I guess but I understand not not understand his lack of trust in me I just don't understand that

I'm so trustworthy but I understand what he's doing I think it's spectacular he to me is a real activist as opposed to Al Sharpton who just makes my fucking blood curdle when I see that guy show up at any fucking event that has anything to do with black people I choose Jesus fucking Christ like I got his more harm than he does good just by his just greasy past his history and just there's so much about him that's just so wrong and it's nice to see someone like dear a come along

it's nice to see a real activist someone who is intelligent is articulate is doing all the right things and I think between a guy like that which I between many people like him I'm sure there's a lot more people like him that I'm not aware of and then someone like you who shedding light on this from the inside I think things are slowly but surely turning I think the battleship is moving in a different direction I really do I really think the whole country is moving in a different direction and I think that

when we see the the way people are approaching gay rights now the way the this the way the world is just more sensitive about things some people are angry at it and saying everyone's oversensitive I think it's probably better to be oversensitive than it had to be insensitive because oversensitive can be corrected and people will like while the people are you know there's lives are being ruined because people are being oversensitive you know there was a Nobel prize-winning doctor or professor

that made a joke about women in science and he said they should probably have same-sex Labs because three things happen when women are in the labs he said either they fall in love with you or you fall in love with them or they cry when you criticize them and he was joking around I guess allegedly and he had to resign he had to resign for that for something like that you know they say equality in science is more important like that motherfucker's curing cancer

all right this guy's a Nobel prize winning scientist and he says something that's a little goofy but it's not have some history of Oppression he's not some terrible person who's it's this massive oversensitivity by people where you can't even just you know say that's probably not a good thing to say and he you know can kind of correct it and you can kind of smooth it out because you understand the people talk off the top of their head this is not like a fucking story wrote for the New York Times where made it had a clear

position on women in science and it became a real issue because he criticized people that might have gotten into science and done some real good work that was got the guys just talking you know and I think symptoms like that like these issues that we face it's way better to have that than it is to have insensitivity I think the oversensitive things like that it sucks at this guy got fired but or that he resigned but he shouldn't have and I blame the institution I blame the people running for that they're so fucking sensitive that they and so

a fide that they're worried about any criticism whatsoever that they reacted to it in this way and him he shouldn't have fucking back down from it either he's going to talked about it and explained or maybe even apologized maybe even said it was an off-color joke or it was just I just think that that balance is it's because we're moving in the right direction I really do I think I even though I've been a victim of oversensitivity I'm not shouldn't say victim that's very grandiose its

affected me or its impact me or have felt it I've seen it rather I think it's better it's better to have all those fucking crazy people running around looking at things to be offended about looking at you know examples of sexism or homophobia racism it's better to have people reaching too far then did not reach at all and I think because we're seeing all this stuff I think it's evidence that society as a whole in our culture in America is tipping towards being more aware

are I think that's a good thing I really do have a lot of Hope and a lot of people think that I'm Michael overly optimistic about the future of this country and human beings in general but I see plenty of evidence that people are aware and that they care and just all the people that are paying attention to your story and all these different protests and marches and all these different news stories when any whenever we see these examples of police brutality that's theirs so

dated now this is not swept under the rug at all and if anything the cops are fucking thrown under the bus immediately I mean is it's a different world and I think there's going to be an adjustment period but I think ultimately when we look back at this time 10 20 years from now I think we're going to look at this as a shift as a shift in our culture that we didn't see in the 60s you know there's when I think when the when Martin Luther King was around and when it

a shift then there was most certainly an awareness civil rights awareness but I think it's even bigger now I really do I think this is a great time to be a human being I really think that we have the real potential to make some real change inside our lifetime and change that can give momentum to the future I think there's without question that you're completely right they can't avoid it we were technology has made us

Kate we see everything we can't hide as much anymore we just have to be human and recognize all of our flaws and everything will be fine with your doctor if we could have some empathy for his position because empathy is a two-way street then maybe you can work out a solution for understanding and that ball game and that's what we're doing now is were solution we're working out the understanding and it's going to have this ugly period in policing for sure but we'll get through it and it's going to be better to have a double I don't think it's me it's going to be somebody that comes behind

me but it's going to it's going to work well I think you're a part of it I think we're all part of it I think someone like you is uniquely qualified to be a part of it you know the fact that you actually or there on the street arresting dude is wearing somebody else's pants I think it just shows you're uniquely qualified to talk about this and I think that there's a real potential with this kind of dialogue and with people just being more and more aware of it that a young kid

kid that might be like 16 17 years old right now that is about to go into the Marines and has the same idea that you had he has a leg up maybe he can learn from your experiences and maybe his comrades and maybe his peers can also learn from what you're saying and your experiences and maybe someone like you one day becomes a commissioner and maybe that time while that's happening that that one commissioner starts listening to good politicians

and gets influenced by good leaders and doesn't have to start arresting people just for drugs doesn't have to just perpetrate the same stupid fucking cycle that's been going on and I mean is that too much to ask is that too unrealistic to hope that we can change things I mean you can't can't think that we're not going to improve if we're not going to prove going to stay stagnant as a culture well that's that's ridiculous that's shitty engineering that's non non thinking that's

are you are we saying that we're perfect are we saying that if it's futile are we saying that it can't be fixed or we saying that we're not willing to try one of the one of those is happening majority is not willing to try yeah but you even I don't think I belong on the pedestal you're putting me on maybe something else was because I participate in all this but maybe we can have pillaged why it's not a pestle I'm not putting you on a pedestal I'm just saying your your your hope

but you're doing it this is hope you influence that though with this like okay so you have this philosophy where you were like it doesn't matter what you do just fucking be nice just be nice and listening to you through these years that is invaded my mind as well so if we can just talk and start opening up as humans and be nice and be empathetic then we're going to work to all of this out regardless Bernie Sanders might even be a good example of that with his message

now I can solute following yes and like vote for this guy yeah I mean we're going to make changes it's like if you're a progressive then you want to make changes if you're a conservative you want to stay in the past there's what these words mean it doesn't make any sense who would want to be conservative and stuck in the past the only person is going to be stuck in a pass is one of the Confederate flag thats collecting money off the backs of somebody else well just a definition of conservative I think it's all fucked up now conservative should be

one who's fiscally conservative that and which is someone who is prudent someone who makes good Financial choices that's a good thing that's a smart thing that someone would discipline that's I support that 100% you know good financial decisions are that is a conservative thing you know when you start getting socially conservative that means you're white that's what it means you might as well say you're white you know or you're a black guy likes hanging out with white people being paid more than he's worth because you know that's what happens I mean it's

we live in a weird world right now and I think Society is being redefined right in front of our eyes I think when we look back at this time a hundred years from now when people look back when we're dead they're going to look back and go cows a fucking crazy time to be alive that internet just fucking throw a monkey wrench into the whole gears clunk Clank you know I mean that's really what's happening this this ability to communicate just didn't exist before you being able to come on a show like this this never this wasn't supposed to happen nah not at all

if this Rich show was on the radio or something like that first of all we'd be interrupted by commercials and then second of all someone will probably tell us we can talk about these things we can't talk about like the way we're talking you can't swear we would already been arrested for swearing you can get a fucking fine of some insane amount I think it's like $250,000 for swearing on the radio for swearing like just saying get the fuck out of here on the radio you can go to jail if you don't pay that fine if you don't pay that quarter million dollar fine The Vig to the government that they

they that's where Howard Stern came in man Howard Stern fought all that shit that's why that guy is always going to be a hero to me I don't give a fuck what he says about podcasting or Ari shaffir ready that crazy shit that wasn't for that guy that guy fought the fight and the the powers that be that have set this stupid thing up they didn't anticipate that a guy like you would be able to go on The Young Turks later this afternoon and and say anything you want man and that Young Turks thing will be seen by a fucking million people easy and that's that's

let's hope man that's whole because what we're talking about where you listen to some of the things that I've said those things that I've said I've heard online you know I've read I've watched documentaries I've I'm expressing things that I've learned and we all learn from each other and we all the community that we create by finding like-minded people or by saying things that resonate with people or by influencing people in a positive way where it actually helps their mindset helps their life

and they become thankful of that and then they spread the same kind of message and we helped spread it to each other and I have a guy like you wanna you changed the way I think about certain things and you influence like I'm genuinely honored to have you on the show I'm genuinely I really admire what you've done and what you're saying and I think other people will as well and I think it spreads its like a good virus like it gets out there and this this wasn't available before something like this wasn't available and

I think that's part of why we all got locked into this US versus them mentality we didn't have a voice that distinguishes a differentiates from the fucking same bullshit corporate voice we keep hearing over and over and over again that doesn't differentiate you don't hear any you don't hear any we are all brothers and sisters on Fox News the only hear that what do you hear you hear crime statistics you know you're Nancy Grace with 2 Chains debating about marijuana

I mean you really that's what you hear you hear bullshit nonsense you don't hear any Soul you know no one's got a goddamn heart no one no one recognizes the fact that this is a temporary existence we're going through a temporary existence and there are so many of us and there's Pockets that seemed almost unmanageable because they've been fucked over for hundreds of years and there's just a swarming chaos in these areas and they just they're riding the momentum and the riding on the momentum of

decades and Decades of poverty and crime and a cycle of Despair and is going to be hard to fix that shit but it's critical and it's one of the most important aspects of our civilization if we don't fix that our civilization is nonsense our civilization is only as strong as the weakest links and it just makes sense to me and I've always said this the best way to strengthen America people want to talk about a strong America are you a patriot you do you love America good last losers

make less losers then you have a stronger America go to the fucking neighborhoods that are fucked go to the communities that are fucked go to these deeply entrenched in crime areas and fix them you fix them then you got winners you got it instead of 10,000 people in jail you got 10,000 people that are starting small businesses you got 10,000 people that are venturing out into the world and trying to do good and influencing other people to do the same and spreading a positive message and

people with inspiration and then they other people see hey this guy became this I can do this too and then they do it too and then other people say that and you got a better country it's not that hard instead of being a fucking vampire and arresting people for crack and pulling people over and doing the same goddamn shit that everybody's been doing for the last hundred years it's striking how much we do things similar one of the things we found when we were messing around digging through files as we found an action plan

and these action plans like so a big crime happens and you the shift Commander will drop an action plan send it up what he's going to do to address this problem and this action plan was from the 1970s we found it in like 2010 whoa and you found it we found it in a drawer and it was the exact same action plan as the other ship Commander was doing it was like the same the same Corners the same response the same plan so like for 40 years nobody's changed anything and you have the same Corners being the same problem

the same families in this doing the same things in the police are doing the exact same goddamn thing in response it's it's unbelievable how we're doing this and that's what these talks have to get us to do is to do exactly what you're saying communicate lift up the country it doesn't make any sense that we would treat a medical problem like it's a criminal problem and put those people into a jail cell to drug addicts into a into a jail cell doesn't make any sense

sorry what what happens to the cop that's on the beat right now in Baltimore what happens to the cops that are listening to this right now what the fuck can they do these guys have an incredibly hard time right now because like you're saying with bats he's not leading the agency properly the fop is doing some crazy things as well the calling the the uprising lynch mobs going after the wedding to send their officers down the pike and doing all these things when we need Justice we need something the case needs to be heard in court

for anybody to have any semblance at this is going to be real and this is going to be just because in the past we know it's all been covered up so if we continue to cover up which is the problem that happened in Ferguson is the cover up the problem isn't the shooting problem is a damn cover up that that prosecutors are criminal he criminally covered up that indictment there's no way around it that's what they did and no one seemed to care so what did he do highlight what would happen so when you have an indictment the old saying is you can indict a ham cheese sandwich because

the prosecutor goes up there and his job or her job is to select the evidence that will get the charge so the way that system actually is if there's there's four of us in the room right now if three of us think he did it and one doesn't we don't even listen to the one that does it that's how an indictment works if you're not a reliable witness you don't even come in for the indictment but in that case he brought in unreliable Witnesses brought in everybody to taint the whole thing when all he should have brought

was the case that okay so this guy was shot and he was found this way and these Witnesses say that he put his hands up and you would have had an indictment and you would had a trial and you would have he would have I think that shooting was justified so Darren Wilson would have been exotic exonerated and everything would have been fine but we would at least heard the case the problem is that the police walk away with nothing

so it's like you shoot them oh no we're not gonna die tit okay see you later good luck looks like everything was clear we need to see more than that that's why when you see the indictment South Carolina there was no Uprising we had a shooting in Baltimore just not too long ago as a guy was robbing a 7-Eleven I think in the officer came in and shot him there's some speculation the guy wasn't even armed but he was robbing a store so nobody freaks out the problem is when you have somebody on armed with no clear crime and it's just okay that's what happened he was afraid but fear

not enough justification to shoot somebody but that's what the law says the law says that if you're in fear of your life is an officer you can pull that trigger that's preposterous you have to at least be some assemblance of containing your situation and not just because it is now zarf rated everything so everybody has a gun which you know that's an American problem but they feel like everybody's a threat and you're ingrained into this threat so they run around with fear and they've reshoot in a heartbeat because they're so afraid and then the

it seemed they just come behind and they cover it all up like nothing happened and that's when you get an uprising it's just when there's no justice that's what Marilyn Mosby did you know like okay that was her uprisings after she came out and said okay we're going to charge the officers no because it's not that everybody's rushing to judgment it's not that it's a Lynch Mob it's let this play out in court I think the two lower officers are going to get off I don't think that they did anything particularly wrong they were following their Lieutenant they might have some things they might not be cops but they didn't do anything terribly wrong but you want to hear the

Ace and you want to know what happened we have to know what happened just because a guy has a gun and we give them a badge and he has a GED and he went to eight months of training doesn't make him above the world it doesn't make him a separate set of rules you think that the Ferguson shooting was justified

I can't go as far as to say it's Justified I think the evidence would say that it would be ruled Justified I don't know because he struck the officer and he is a close range and seems like he was trying to get his gun yeah if I mean in that situation I think you get the benefit of Doubt to the officer but why were there so many people that disagreed what was the hands up and all that stuff right who knows did he have his hands up was that who knows but I think that's enough justification to find that out right and how would they find that out at least have the Witnesses on stand

it would just be questioning Witnesses it would just be eyewitness information sure sure but let's hear it you know maybe he gets out but it's exonerated and everything's fine but let's hear it we need to hear we have we know that we have a history of officers unjustly shooting black males especially unarmed we know we have that so that that means we must have an extra level of scrutiny we have to what is the situation in Cleveland with the kid the 12 year old kid that had the that was

at the schoolyard that guy's being indicted on murder charges right last I knew it wasn't that judge suggested that he there was a judge that said there was enough probable cause to Warrant the charging but somebody else actually has to do that charging I don't believe that's taken place see that one doesn't make any fucking sense at all fucking murder there's a murder it's absolute there's no justification for that there's not been a single thing I've ever watched that that affected me more than watching those fucking cops murder Tamir rice

and then stand over that boy a 12 year old boy as he was bleeding out and choking they stood there and they say he's worried conjecture that looks like he's worried oh my God I'm in this situation what am I going to do as a 12 year old boy fucking chokes on his own blood dying and he stands there stands are doing nothing until someone else comes over and finally helps that boy and he's not being indicted are we kidding me that's fucking murder and shot him within two seconds it was less it's just like 1.6 seconds they Rush up on that

kid there's no justification for any of them what's happening in Cleveland is absurd there's no doubt about this Cleveland like Baltimore the same sort of cycle II have no reason to believe that Cleveland Baltimore Ferguson Atlanta any of those places are different I think we can take an officer there some just happened in Philly just now before I walked in here video was released of Philly officers 12 Philly officers beating on somebody that was unarmed for apparently riding a bike or something like that I've no I didn't get a chance

to see but all of these things seem to be the same so if you took an officer Out of Philly you can put them in Baltimore he's fine when we had Hurricane Katrina we took a lot maybe 20 officers from New Orleans and brought them into the BPD and they there's not like they're like oh my God what are we doing it was the same thing same shit you ain't shit they just can't use different report that's all so it's just ghettos ghettos yes a black ghettos towards separate a separate level

that goes yeah I mostly black yeah it's low-income period it's the power list the voiceless period but I think that institutional racism that we have throughout our society it wasn't that long ago that we're having slaves and we're still arguing over the Confederate flag and I know you sent some no we're arguing about the Dukes of Hazzard thank you confused sir yeah big fucking how about the fact that it flies over state house until 2015 it's goddamn crazy affected this is the first year

the someone stepped up and stop that from happening and then people freaking out this is about Heritage Southern Heritage imagine imagine not exactly flat spine up I mean come on what did you say though about that flag - I see something what was it oh I said about Daisy Duke I said the real flag was the the Daisy Dukes the shorts so the flag of empowerment there's the never been out with an article of clothing well for females and for gay men slots and gay men that's theirs

never an article clothing that's that just clearly outlined that you're hungry for dick those one that we've ever created and that's the daisy duke shorts nobody wears daisy duke shorts if you don't want dick if you're a dude you're wearing daisy duke shorts you're hunting for dick and if your girl wearing daisy duke shorts you're hunting for dick and there was never like a flag there like they threw up a flag to let people know they want some dick and I have no objection sure right sure that's the that's the real fucking travesty

what they should do is go over that fucking show put the show back on the air goddamn it go over that show with some CGI put a goddamn American flag on the roof and let's be done with everything we fight back at how long how much would that cost they could do that shit if they can make the Hulk in The Avengers bounce through buildings and shit your tummy Schwarzenegger look 20 yeah you can't fucking fake a flag on the roof of a first of all the real crime is to paint that fucking beautiful car that shitty color even you took a 69 Charger a 68 Charger

or whichever ones I think is a 16:9 one of the most beautiful muscle cars ever created and you painted it like you goddamn Spanish hooker it's bullshit that's the real bullshit paint that fucking thing orange with stupid flag of a bunch of losers it's a loser Flag by the way yeah you heard me folks y'all lost

treasonous assholes it's like raising the flag another country anyway it looks like raising a foot they wanted to win and they didn't went was about economics

yes it's about economics yeah if you don't pay people you make more money so that's an economic here Choice Yeager's spits you know the South represents and that flag represented a lot of things to people other than racism what they need is a new flag you need a new flag that represents the South alone and not a bunch of people that were fighting to keep racism you know Dan Carlin said that they should add to the flag like maybe

keep that flag and put a broken chain on it represents the the abolishment of slavery that like a keep Southern Heritage within an ads one thing to it I mean that might be a thing but they could come up with another fucking Flag the flag is just a symbol if you want a symbol of the South Texas has a fucking beautiful flag Texas as a flag and the the star of Texas and nobody ever thinks of it representing racism or represent it's just fucking Texas Star of Texas is just starve Texas that's legit like if you wear it

Texas Flag t-shirt on everybody knows well that's a guy who's a fan of Texas you know I'm saying it doesn't have any kind of tation that you hate black people or you want racism or you want slavery that's a that's a legit flag they need to come up with a goddamn better flag up forward with their Flags a world with no Flags hmm okay what about the don't tread on me it's pretty slick I like that one snake you can see no I mean how about I say I mean everybody has had a don't tread on me Cyber you really really scared of those

how about an eagle probably bald eagle the fucking Talon for Rockets get a rocket in one and then the other one a dick he's got a dick in one hand does not represent everybody just talking shit I just think that yeah the world a world without Flags like ideally no ideology you know ideally no no borders ideally no nationalism no State pride and just be

be proud that you're a human being and human race but there's some cool shit about having differences there's some cool shit that you can go to New Mexico and it's different than going to Michigan I like that I like variation I like people that are happy that they live in Los Angeles they have pride striping are concerned yeah like it I never been to the West Coast we were just driving around we went up to the Civic coast today because the highway today and the canyon camera was called Malibu Canyon yeah beautiful one of my bikes so bad I was hurting it's like where can I rent a motorcycle

Malibu Canyon Road is amazing it was unbelievable we've never seen anything like that but in the Northeast we have water oh yeah yeah we'll still water from Seattle they ain't gonna do shit about it either stop take that water son give me that shit this is what I think if they could bring fucking oil down from Alaska why can't they bring water all right they can you hook a big tube up to one of those melting glaciers you steal all that fucking water and we're good and then we irrigate the shit out of this bitch and turn into a tropical rainforest just giant sprinkler

in the sky you know giant ones like 30,000 feet up just spraying come on man you can make a hyper Loop that can get to San Francisco and five seconds like what Elon Musk is trying to do you can't put a sprinkler system in the sky if you can't steal water out of the icebergs everybody's worried about global warming with icebergs melt the Malibu is going to disappear fuck it is we're going to put a big goddamn to and suck all those icebergs it's sprayed

all over the avocado fields that sounds crazy but watch out be the solution it is the solution it's why not if you can get oil from Saudi Arabia by millions and millions of gallons and tankers and bring it across the goddamn ocean to America you're telling me you can't take water from somewhere and bring it down here that's stupid of course they can the problem is can they get enough water because we use a lot of fucking water a lot of golf courses here people like to golf lot of white people and there's almonds

almonds apparently suck up a lot of water and a lot of people have pools there's a lot of issues but I think they can be engineered you know the real issue is you know there's a lot of global warming talk but I think people places have always turned you know there's always been like are I mean all you have to do is just look back to the Ice Age and you realize well there's not an Ice Age anymore so something happened there's some change well that's this we don't live in a static place but we're so arrogant we figure if we feel like if we build a city we could stay

you know this is it we're here now but if this becomes a Sahara you know there's no go to the Sahara Desert what do you find you don't find a lot of fucking people there's a reason there's nothing there can't live off of it what do you what do you need man can heat your camel if you don't eat your camel there's not a lot to eat you know and that's just a reality of being a human being if we live on this Earth we occasionally you have to move because the spot sucks now you know this spot is fantastic you you're here for the first time but listen there's a reason why this 30 million fucking people

often to this area it's cuz it's a sweet spot but all it would take is one of those the The Rock style earthquakes from that new fucking movie one real one which is happened before they've had some giant ones in spots all over the world that we know of the you know that human beings don't have record of that are just been just unbelievably devastating all we need is one of those just one and everybody would scatter like ants and then you go to Boulder Colorado be over one with chicken

from Santa Monica

maybe dudes on Adderall with fucking Botox faces driving their Tesla's around Boulder hey that's become it's a nice car it's fast too dude car beautiful um but you guys it's too cold in Baltimore that's bullshit yeah we have a great a bad winter it's nothing I grew up in Boston yeah worse way more beautiful to that City it's all right

it's okay you can fucking have it for five months a year yes that's troubling summertime so I've ever talk about my house a bit summertime in Boston's amazing it's like I'm going to Chicago at the end of the month and I'm fucking psyched because Chicago and the summer is amazing you know why because those people appreciate the fact that it's the summer summer in La is every day it could be 90 in January here I mean it's happened many times right Jamie you experience 90 yeah walking around in shorts flip-flops th

90s Beautiful January convertible 75 and a 75 it's nice I know it's a nice day today it was 60 this morning when I woke up I had to get up early 66 0 mmm as it doesn't happen for us know right now it's brutally hot yeah well you guys get that swampy hot too nasty yeah that that East Coast hot is a different kind of hot like Miami you don't even know what hot is until you experience Miami and August might as well be in Africa even the goddamn jungle

well you know we're here for the car chase story I've want to hear all your funny car chase stories okay how many you got three okay so my first car chase

is this this is how far after the guy having some other dudes pants on about a year a year so your and so I have a partner usually don't have Partners in Baltimore at a part on this particular day really yeah you ride by yourself what what is it the save money I think more of an omnipresence idea oh the more people write more cops more class it does really work I think you ever jerk off in your car no all right try that one on me there real quick just

I would get bored so I have this partner he looks like Sammy Davis jr. oh Jesus right guys great guy we've go to calls did you call him Sammy Davis jr. maybe since I'm joking he thought he looked at better kind of a Sinatra when he was younger oh gosh you should not sure when nobody else thought of that now hold on a second pull up the Sinatra's Sinatra's mug shot he was a tiny dude you know snatch only looking huh

no not you you're handsome reason I trim muscular and big I get it but be not tiny your average guy but I'm saying Sinatra was like a hundred thirty pounds he was like a tiny dude look at that come on dude your little better looking than him over beyond what is where's his whether they arrested him for because there was like a little car that had the there's nothing below it there was a I used to have it on my wall at home actually it's not that one but he was

rested and it had his height and weight for carrying on with a married woman yeah yeah it was called seduction that's what he got arrested for but that's not the issue there was actual real piece of paper from the arrest that you can you could see they had it like handwritten and everything what he was arrested for see if I can find it but it had his his height and weight and I'm pretty sure he's a hundred and thirty pounds and he was like five six or five seven it's like a tiny little dude which I never thought I thought

no Frank Sinatra would be like it's just Larger than Life you know like Tom Cruise got nothing no I think Tom Cruise is probably none are short as everybody says eight right yeah might be a little shorter like five seven maybe but everybody says like five to but people are just mean cream my partner he was about five two five three was it's Amy Davis jr. Jesus Christ and he cop was he punishments good that's good yes oh God she planted in like know

nobody noticed him all right and when he would get no one scared of five to Buckeyes we would go to places and he would be the nicest cop I mean he was like like what you think cop is that was him he was so nice so courteous and I'd show up behind me please sit down shut the fuck up you're bad cop he would get the complaint I wouldn't it was it was unbelievably hilari I don't know why it was a running joke with us and because He barked I can't for that conjecture out there but most likely first time I would have thought of that I thought was just didn't like it

or they liked me I don't know I never thought of it as being a racial thing so we're going down a road and we type a tag in a car and it comes up boop-boo-boo-boop stolen car oh shit dude it's fucks talk are we going to do yeah I would be whispering I don't know but you start to panic and like all right fuck it let's just get out and I'll just yank him out of the car real quick cuz we're stuck in traffic right so go out soon as I jumped out of the car he looks over at me the driver of the car and he slams down his is lock door lock

fuck so I try to rip the door open and I can't do it so for some reason instinctually I pull out my gun and I might get out of the car and he's like no fuck you and it starts to turn green and he's getting ready to go so I take my gun and I hit it against the window the window doesn't break my gun does and the rounds go flying on the ground scattering out and this is like noon and so everybody sees me doing this like a jackass kind of gun a Glock 20 plastic yeah plastic gun why did you hit a fucking window fucking I'm thinking

so it's actually luckily I reload right and he takes off we run back into the car and we're not going anywhere and like cream with the fuck let's go and he's like I can't find the keys I can't find the keys no so he gets the key we take off we go down the road what kind of car do you drive it was a it was a Crown Vic at the time okay shitbox we cops love Comics yeah but there's a big V8 in them do big fucking goofy car shitty better front-wheel drive

horses and shit they try to give us I'll drive ya so we go down the road the guy makes a turn we lose him but we kind of know his area where he is and I see a guy that's running he had a blue bandana on he was black guy white T-shirt so I see a guy going down the alley blue bandana white T-shirt like fuck cream get out so he gets out and he's coming from the guy behind I circle around with the car and come up and I Come Around the Corner that guys looking at me and I'm like get on the ground and he starts

the ground and I'm looking at him like fuck this isn't this is not the same guy so I'm watching me creams coming up behind him and he's like coming hard like no no just as he's going to him and he pulls back and he's carried a slave into the ground like this is not him so we leave him go we run and we actually find the car so the guy bailed out he left his cell phone in the car so we picked up the cell phone and we called the most recent number girl answered and we were like hey I'm so sorry

I found this phone on the side of the road do you know it belongs to I'll try to get it back to love and she's like oh yeah it's so so full of up in the in the computer and that was who had the car so we all my God what a bitch I'd be so mad at her and be like what the fuck did you tell him oh my God you told my fucking name all my God in the report and everything oh that's hilarious would you get the guy it's somebody else did so we have the warrant somebody else end up catching him that's hilarious that was your first car check first car chase why don't they give you guys like Mustangs or something

last row that I think I would be a bad idea why you can kind of change not very responsible is that what it is the law we're not trained to drive like that the lat wait a minute hold the fuck on they don't train you how to drive not high speed now what no they let you drive high speed chases the nose ring around Drive you're breaking the rules do is be Chase in Baltimore you can't do more than 10 miles an hour was in Maryland you can't do ten more than 10 miles an hour over the speed limit according to the to the rules so the law says you can do it but the rules of the

see so you can only do 10 miles an hour over so every cop that pulled you over and you're doing more than 10 miles per hour over the speed limit he had to violate general orders even pull you over why is the rules I didn't make them okay so the department lets you do high speed chases they don't like it no but so who lets you do it some you said you do when someone tells you no okay but they don't no one teaches you how to drive we go to the course and they kind of do it but the standards are

whoa now you don't go very fast so the standards for driving are they more or less stringent than the standards for self-defense I don't think there's a standard in either so that is so fucking crazy right if you if you couldn't defend yourself going in you're not going to defend yourself coming out if you couldn't drive going and you're not going to drive coming off you couldn't shoot going and you're not going to shoot coming out when the scariest things is cops ability to fire a weapon they're terrible they're terrible

so I would estimate that may have to be accurate or anything no no it's absurd like they can't shoot so like when you hear somebody like why didn't you shoot him in the knee for one you can't do that that's a silly idea but why can't you okay so if I'm shooting for what I'm shooting at Uni I'm shooting down so I'm liable to Ricochet if I because I'm going to miss right you're going to be a moving Target you know how hard it is to shoot an animal so magistrate a human in such a tiny area that's trying to shoot a handgun right you can't do it it's a silly

that's why you shoot Student Center Mass people criticize that but it's really the only practical way to do it but to shoot animals to nobody should get very rarely shooting at a Chinese magic that even if he was standing there imagine trying to take out a knee cap of boar sitting here that's ridiculous so hopefully one day we can all dispel that rumor about shooting a weapon at me like somebody really going to shoot the knife out of his hand like are you kidding me that's hilarious but they don't shoot they couldn't shoot a

person let alone a knee right like we just standard the minimum scores like a 70 and it's a silhouette Target a minimum score meaning 70% 70% want to set silhouette you know okay so you guys have to hit the whole silhouette from the 3 to the 5/2 the seven to the 15th I can shoot that whole course of the 15 with my eyes closed and pass it right 15 yards is that is so 15 yards with a handgun hitting Center Mass on at are all you have to do is just hit the car

you can pass the course by doing everything from the three to five and I think the seven could be the how big is this target it's a human silhouette so I mean I'll full silhouette for down to the toes away stop okay so you're dealing with like a two and a half foot 3 foot Target it's almost impossible to miss and and all you have to do is get 70% and you pass yeah so you missed 30 percent at 15 yards a giant fucking Target what that we're not even talking about 15 yards we're talking about mean some of these are from three

wait a minute so you start from the three you do a lot of round they get set hold of fuck on 70 percent right so you can actually qualify before you even go to any person I know so this isn't even add renlund it's not even groans ideal situation Ideal Services says it should be a hundred percent I know a hundred or they kill you they should kill you from take you out back a hundred yeah hundred maybe get a different tribe I've had nine th from time to time they shouldn't be there

it's staggering people don't understand what we're talking about when you say the job is impossible it is completely impossible especially with the amount of training that they have oh my God I don't understand how they don't train you how to do that they don't train you had a firearm use Firearms correctly now nobody accuracy they treating you how to breathe while you're shooting they tell you all these things but they train they don't they don't have time so the instructors they know what they're doing right but they don't have time to take somebody that has

no idea what the hell they're doing or what's even worse if somebody has bad habits and break those habits so they can be a decent shooter it's there's no time for it and it's not gonna happen there's no standard so if they don't pass they just keep shooting them and shooting and shooting and shooting to you pass so you just keep keep doing it or you learn you know there's no learning I mean there's no learn and you only do it once a year what what wait a minute wait a minute what the fuck are you talking no practice once you know no yes oh my God

there's something I couldn't do this job without the Marine Corps oh my so the only reason I'm I was any good that but how many guys were in the service that you worked with maybe 20%

so 80% have no experience at the broad side of a barn oh my God

so these people are in this situation where they have these expectations and that's why they feel so cornered so they're actually feeling like they're being somebody judging them and it's not so much that they're judging them they're judging the the ineptitude to do the job so Will Ferrell movie you could do it that's really it seems that way a lot goddamn it I can't believe that why don't I know that I should have known that I got to get John McCarthy

and he's the next cast you know Big John McCarthy he's gotta get him on soon he got to tell you he's got some great stories about pulling over Eddie Murphy no no I'm an Eddie Murphy fan I only speak with him about him with respect and Charlie Murphy

okay anyway um so no self defense training what is there is just pointless you don't have to have like a certain degree of proficiency in hand-to-hand combat no they do like like wrist locks and Carries whistle and stuff like that but this long yeah these are things that you know in a real scenario we can't do so you got to be a bad one we can do it drills that you can do a drill and put me to the ground with my wrist

in real life you never get my wrist yeah it's just not going to happen if I'm fighting for my life where I'm trying to get away it's just not gonna happen sir the things we do just are impractical well Steven Seagal could get you to the ground I'm that behold you rest yeah have you ever seen him Dennis trying to do you see the most recent one in Russia I'm afraid to flipped a bunch of people around I'm sure hair didn't move one serious hair helmet he's got we still nicely over way oh yeah it's beautiful beautiful fucking machine

hand-to-hand combat watch this take a look at this like the do-rag sweat that sweet do-rag look at this see this is what you guys need to learn this kind of shit yeah why can't you do that this is the kind of stuff they do and they don't factor in the fact that their suspect is going to hook you in the face with that empty left hand but wait a minute look how this guy can't do anything I know it's amazing it's almost like like this this before to be the victim in this situation would you got no man I'm telling you you got to get Steven Seagal teacher

everybody because look at the way he just throws everybody around they have no chance look he doesn't even move dude learn this why can't you just have him pee isn't he a cop I thought he was too like a volunteer yeah no he's a real cop member in Louisiana never he was talking like he was black you keep talking about this somebody's I think he's transitional I think he's transracial you ever hear him talk no you're saying this now but then there's gonna be some agency that does that and thought it was a good idea now that all your face should look at this this is beautiful if you

do this you can kick anyone's ass they don't even let him in the UFC because he's too deadly we've had discussions that's my bad back behind closed door meetings whether or not we should allow Steven Seagal a fight and everyone says no he's too deadly didn't take Connor out and they need him for that car's too small you get a different weight class but Cain Velasquez will be fucked Junior dos Santos what you gonna do that huh we can do it for breezy over doomed Steven Seagal gets ahold of your wrist huh I haven't heard you tax wrists that's a very vulnerable spot and I know

wow like put your hands up so now the question is why would Joe Rogan doing it while at fire why don't you teach no why don't you teach the cops well I don't think I'm qualified because I've never been in armed situation with people shooting guns I've never learned how to disarm anybody in hand we don't need this arm we don't do this well if I could you know I copy of my opinions about some shit but you should bring in legit striking coaches that teach people all the time and then legit Jiu-Jitsu coach well I think you're just suit would be your route because your control

then depends hurting well yes but no sometimes you got to hit people like there's some time the idea of only defending Yourself by grappling I think mixed martial arts is the best way to learn self-defense and I mean I'm essentially a mixed martial artist I started out as a striker and then when I got older when I got into the UFC that's when I really learned grappling but I think if I had to choose one martial art that I would teach someone to defend themselves it would definitely be

do but as far as what I would teach police officers you got to understand striking because if you don't understand striking and a guy can keep you off him and punch him in the face and you don't know how to deal with it you got to understand the way he's moving like if a guy if a guy is going to jab you there's a certain stance we guys going to throw a right hand there's tells if you don't know those tells you just going to get molly-whopped you just going to get cracked I think you have to understand at least understand striking and you don't understand striking is this bar you have to do some sparring you

to you have to definitely learn the mechanics of striking but you also have to understand the distance you have to understand how when a guy can hit you when it can hit you even if it's just defensive even if you don't have any intention whatsoever hitting somebody just knowing how to get the fuck out of the way knowing how to cover yourself up knowing how to protect yourself there's a lot of people out there that are Grapplers that would be fucked if someone punched him in the face I think you're onto something with that actually like the defensive method we're not going to really teach cops to strike that you're just not going to get

anywhere best way to get your right to like the getaway you might actually be on to something there that could be that's something we probably should be doing because what we do is we fear things so remember we fear that that guy can hit us we fear that should have an understanding of whether he or she would actually be capable at that range or capable in this city particular situation Judo is good for cops to because people most of the time are wearing clothes and like if you ever fought Rowdy Ronda Rousey and you were wearing a fucking like a like a winter coat

that bitch will fuck you up you're going flying you're landing on your head Carl Parisian gets a hold of you and you got like a leather jacket on that motherfucker is gonna throw you and hit you with the Earth that's what it's like when someone slams you they're taking the Earth and hitting you with it boom they're hitting you with a giant immobile fucking 24,000 Mile in a circumference ball that's what they're doing it did Earth doesn't give its someone slams you in the concrete

they're literally hitting you with the Earth and I think of a judo person gets a hold of you some Jimmy Pedro character gets a hold of you and you have a winter jacket on your a fucks Ville you know that's a I think Judo would be a very important thing to learn wrestling very important to learn to because if you could hold someone down you keep something down you can control someone because I've seen situations where cops get flipped you know they're holding someone down and some sort of a rest video and they just have no idea how to control someone's body they have no idea where to place

their weight they have no idea like what how a person would move like a good Jiu-Jitsu guy gets a hold of you and put you inside control you don't have any Jiu-Jitsu training you're not getting up this is it you're stuck you might be like really physically strong you might be able to push him a little bit but he's gonna grab a hold you again and repeat the process and that's what we saw on UFC 1 when hoist Gracie was fighting chemo what do we see we saw this fucking enormous steroid it up dude it's way stronger than hoist crazy and he just chaos but eventually

really he's got them and why did he get him got him because he understands the technique and understands how to Grapple I think that for one if you only had one I would say Brazilian Jiu Jitsu but if I was going to teach something to Cops I would definitely teach them striking the last thing you want to do is be someone who does know how to strike you get punched in the face and you're you're seeing Stars your eyes are watery your legs are buckled and you don't know what the fuck to do because you never been there before someone knows what to do if someone has been there before has been popped in the face before you gotta go oh all right gotta keep my hands up Gotta Move Gotta Move gotta move you know

instinctively have like a path that you'll go to to preserve yourself the the scariest thing in the world is watching someone in a street fight and you know they don't know how to fight and they just their their neck is up in the air and they're flailing fists that you know it's coming you know you know it's coming we've all seen videos you can go online and watch guy gets ko'd and street fight and there's a million videos of that I just can't believe that they don't force you guys to train first of all in firearms on a regular basis I would always thought

that would be a weekly thing I really thought that there was like a weekly thing that you guys had to do know the physical standards as well yeah I've seen a lot faster if not there's not a physical standard whatsoever well how about checks their standards they don't have to have the don't have to at least be able to like lift their body weight or something or do a chin-up or something you get through the academy you're finished what you have to do to get through the academy whatever it is it's pathetic and easy that seems weird it is weird in Baltimore they had an issue with a fire cadet

who ended up dying in training because they they just didn't maintain the physical standards they needed to make

now why is that is it hard to get people to join the police force so you have to lower the physical standards that's one reason why the job is impossible their society doesn't seem to be willing okay so at this point in time not to sound too arrogant too late too late okay so so may as well go for it I would be the Prototype okay I have a master's degree confident I came from the from the military if you go through my training record you'll see it as all there I

the Prototype I'm what you're looking for but I still you're not willing to pay me what it would take to get somebody like me normally to do it hmm so so if you right now if I went to the police department they would be offering me $42,000 a year really I mean you don't think I'm gonna take it away mm not your job to you at this point in time it's not gonna happen so they're not investing in those officers I really think in in most areas where like in Baltimore you three thousand officers I really think you could do this

job with a thousand so you would pay those guys you more get those guys and you get the guys with the education and girls and have those standards and I really think that one really really good cop can do the job of the four or five of what we have now how much harder is it to be a woman to be a cop incredibly hard imagine be really hard to get people some of them were so freaking good though so that's the weird line youto they do seem to make

our detectives as a general rule they have an advantage and a lot of things that I think they're more empathetic which is one of my big pushes their more considerate of others when it comes to a lot and it's harder for them with fighting but I've seen some of them hold their own just fine the hardest one was actually a flamboyantly gay cop that I know he had the hardest time I love that got a flamboyantly gay cop I love him so much how gay was he very

re he's the queen that's how you refer that's what he calls himself the queen is the queen of the northern that's beautiful that's what we need so fucking Army of roided-up gay cops and he's he would fight all the time maybe you could go to battle with that dude any day and you could trust that he would have your back you could follow him day and night because he was tried constantly and he became he was always good love that dude awesome cop that work with but he was he constantly lived in a different world than I did I was

maybe I fell into that Medium frame where like I'm not too big to try and I'm not too small to try right so I kind of got away with a lot he was tried all the time because he's flamboyantly gay yeah so did he be like license and registration all right he was he has the voice so he really say that when he pulled people over and stuff oh yeah where you going he had a purse for a while that he had a purse let me think about think about that though I love how could you do it what do you have do you have to wear a fanny pink I think about that's true actually

if you want to know I don't know maybe because you gave it to me I think I just cared but I thought about that the airport like you say it's like it would be so much easier act yeah it's people are just you just scared of not getting laid that's why they don't have it they scared the fashion stigma attached to it bullshit maybe that's what it is I wear one of those motherfuckers everywhere and people meet me and they go dude you really wearing a fanny pack and like that's right bitch that shit's real as fuck

why is that and why is that a problem but if I wear the backpack what I'm saying is that same confidence that you have was the confidence that he has because I'm married I'm not trying to get laid it was Admiral if I was struggling to try to get laid I was like man I was wondering hit her mess I was just had it be dressed perfectly you know that's why do to wear cologne shit like that and designer shoes why because I'm fucking trying to tip the scales in their favor they're not confident their personality and their accomplishments and how they come off as as a human being you gotta You Gotta Wear the right clothes and right style that Fanny

I could fucking sink your battle check damn it I had her she could have been the one member to had kids I was that fucking stupid panty fanny pack I fucked my chances I don't know that's why thank you kind of game you could do it with a fanny pack that's what I think I think if a girl doesn't want to have sex with you it doesn't want to date you because you have a fanny pack you don't want her in your life she's too much work that's too much work or you don't know how to make fun of yourself you can't even mock the factory wearing a fanny pack

and then explain yourself make a good joke and she's like why are you wearing a fanny pack stupid you like exactly

anyway he wore a purse yeah you keep this kind of purse go to go so like glittery or anything it wouldn't be bad if he had it would've been stylish sure you it wasn't it wasn't there chunk shit so um what was it like for him I mean - I think was incredibly challenging for him but they wouldn't let him arrest them like they would fight like no way I understand I'm going to jail but not from him

is he still on a job yeah he's awesome too good for him what's his name I don't know just give his fullness as first name no no I just want to give a shout out to him you can come q-q you keep it sexy he's a sexy cute

so harder for him than women yeah I think so things incredibly hard for him and so he's saying the women make better detectives what else besides empathy they have like intuition it's better I mean I can't say but they say they do seem to fulfill those roles very well hmm yeah so there's a role for females in policing even if you're thinking of the physical aspects there is a like a need right so how you balance that

I can't say that would require a little more nuanced but definitely have their role is there anything else you want to say before we get out of here because I know you got a bunch of notes there it's just that

one of the big things that we see is everybody keeps fighting against the black lives matter thing and it's like we're not understanding what it is it's not that we come out things all lives matter so my we're sure all lives matter no no shit we understand all lives matter that's the whole point of everything we do right and they come out and they say police lives matter no shit I don't know A Life That's mattered more than a police life I don't know of a single cop has been killed or the killer wasn't called which is embarrassing for our profession why do we always catch the ones that hurt our own mmm

not trying hard enough in the other ones and we go around and we say these things but the police everyone comes to their aid when something happens to them but when we somebody says black lives matter we just oh but what there it's all they're saying is that in our society black lives haven't mattered as much as the other lives and that's clear when you see something like Tamir rice because you know that doesn't happen to one of your kids there's not a shot in hell that that happens in mind

daughter or yours no way whether there are 12 year old sit with a BB gun in the middle of your street in front of your house that is not going to happen because they're going to say oh well we're going to handle that situation we're going to approach your we're going to see what's really going on and they're not going to be a hero because a hero is the person that goes up to Tamir rice and approaches and tries to figure it out risk getting shot because he wants to make sure he's doing the right thing when you take away a life or take away somebody's Freedom we don't have to go up to him how about you just say from the comfort of

car put down the gun for sure and from far away figure it out because but we go and we treat black lives like they don't matter and when you were putting a toll yell all lives matter shirt on her oh yeah police lives matter on your proving that police lives don't that that black lives aren't mattering as much to you otherwise you just fucking say yes they do

right so they're not saying that white lives don't matter why should I say that all matter yeah bring it up bring it up to everyone else that's it just a quality it's not it's not a diss on anybody else it's we have this problem and we have this problem recognize it let's fix it that's when I say that I want to team up with the ray so if I took a police commissioner job the first thing I would do is say DeRay please come join me please because I need you I need him he's a

leader the idea that we don't integrate people like him into our system is Ridiculousness he is a leader of the black community I need him if I'm going to run a police agency and we should not be turning those kind of people away and acts and making like there there's some kind of instigators from out of town is what they would call DeRay instigator

that's what they call them yeah out of town instigator that he was coming to Baltimore and he's making money and he's doing all this and it's not a real bunnies doing they think he's making money doing all this and he's simply not neither am I we came out here on our own armed I'm with the help of we you know who's making money chardin CNN Fox News anybody broadcasting it where they're gonna get advertising dollars and that's something that's going to get a lot of people watching wow Charlie is our ratings were up I went down to where

gray was the incident happened and where the uprising was the very next day you couldn't have told me that there was a difference between that day and two weeks ago the problem is that no one gave a shit about gilmor homes two weeks ago but when it come on the news and you saw the CVS burning and they cycled it over and over and over again it was one goddamn building that was burning you just kept seeing it over and over after the fire department at already put it out violence in Baltimore Maryland in Baltimore the riots only talk that fucking news voice your

own it exactly and we do that and then we look at that community and I'm like oh my God why would they do that well nothing ever happens without it without an uprising whatever great civil rights movement are great progress if we ever made without some kind of Uprising how about the United States of America yeah this came about because we got away from the fucking British I mean that's literally how this got started it was an uprising Boston Tea Party it's a goddamn Uprising and is anybody sit there and say oh

God why do they just throw their own tea into the water that's Ridiculousness but but they don't hesitate to say why are they burning that CVS down well that's the only symbolism of corporate America that they even have their because they don't have a grocery store like you and I do they don't have anything that we think of as as normality they live in an area that has food deserts that doesn't have good schools where the kids ride MTA buses to go to school where life is and they're their parents get their father gets locked up

up because he has that dime bag and he perpetuate the cycle but yet Society keeps telling them well we'll pick yourself up by your bootstraps and fucking have bootstraps because you told him away so if up by your bootstraps is such a shitty argument it's not like everybody starts in the same spot you know it's not like we're all playing Monopoly we all start from the same spot it's stupid that's such a terrible terrible mentality that people have and so short-sighted and so dismissive police out five up by your bootstraps it's just so dumb it's such a short

that's a short-sighted conservative argument that is a conservative argument says such a dumb one well the last thing I wanted to say to is that

conservatives and right-wing people are the ones that are going to argue with me the most but if we don't do what I'm saying then they're going to lose their guns and their argument that they want to have because if we can't reel in police and they're always afraid that everyone has a gun and we have to do this war then that means we can't live in a society that's armed and we can't police it properly you just said that a bunch of people just hope but but but what the fuck lose my guns what did you say sir

take my flag you take my fucking gun not nope if you want to keep your guns Charlton Heston said yeah you can pry my cold dead hands from it if you want my gun well if you want to keep your guns then we need to have reform and policing I don't like this kind of language because people going to kind of guns they're keeping the fucking gun yeah well then let's reform policing I think that's a great idea I don't think you need to bring guns into this yeah guns and doing anybody

beware the cops counties people people people are doing it people kill people people are killing people guns are just sitting there looking beautiful how many gun deaths happened in England fucking English bunch of pussy scared to pull a trigger so the argument though it has to flee I drove it turns out they all had guns like can't quite do it I think about shooting doesn't seem right it's Rob alright wouldn't be proper

yeah no I listen I think you're saying some awesome things we do have to wrap this up but I really I really appreciate you coming on and I thank you you express yourself very well and I think that you're a very unique person your perspective is very unique the fact that you have so much experience and you're saying all the right things so thank you very much I really really appreciate it you could catch him on Twitter Michael a wood jr. Mi CH AE l a

good wo OD jr. last thing anything else yeah my pleasure handed me this is a great no this is not a battery this is about the point where's the best place for people to reach you just litter just Twitter this is not about me this is about the message I appreciate that very much Michael Wood jr. ladies and gentlemen a bad motherfucker you have been schooled see you guys soon

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