Chutzpah vs. Chutzpah

Aug 15, 2019

You thought that there was only one kind of chutzpah. Wrong. There’s two. Revisionist History tells the story of the Mafia’s showdown with a legendary Hollywood producer, in a battle of competing chutzpahs. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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this episode of revisionist history is brought to you by AT&T business and I'm having a conversation with the President Chief marketing officer of AT&T business mocad Ava we're talking about the coming 5 G Revolution we started the conversation last episode and now we're going to explore a little deeper when we start connecting everything at lightning speeds what are the possibilities real-time translation via your device as I'm walking down the street exactly so the beginnings of that exist yeah today however when you think about each one of those commands has to go back to some Central Cloud that might be hundreds or thousands of miles away from you versus in a 5 G world it's literally within dozens of miles so it's essentially doing it in real time translating on your behalf yeah yeah Flawless communication wow what's the point in taking languages

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more in school you should this should have come a long 30 years ago and save the high school French that's the start does more way way more when we come back with mocad Ava and Now ladies and gentlemen episode 9 of revisionist History

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heads up in this episode I interview an old school guy from New York who drops a lot of f-bombs just so you're aware say your name the way in Israeli would say melee Avital and say my name is Malia Battalion Hebrew - Mimi Leo Vitali

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my name is Malcolm Gladwell you're listening to revisionist history my podcast about things overlooked and misunderstood so far in season 4 I've talked about Grand themes huge issues this episode is about something very specific a word

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the word I'm interested in is chutzpa okay I decided I would like to examine the phenomenon of chutzpa since Millie is my neighbor and an Israeli she has agreed to help this teach question Malcolm how to say this word appropriately first of all are we doing are we doing that kind of thing in the throat that so many I gotta roll the faster the huh soft I think we have a closer to Arabic its deeper in the throat yeah and there's a lot more contact of the soft palate it's really deeper yeah so so softer not a whole but a hook Foot Spa now pop know who the the this okay so the sound is right yeah it is deep yeah but the vowel is not whole it's whoo-hoo Spa hootsburgh yeah in Hebrew

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only I ew there's no diphthongs and there's no oil and there's no book and book right there's only boo so you understand what I'm talking to myself for me it's very clear because sadly I worked on it so hard but okay so it's not hot Spa yeah yeah just like it's not Millie it's melee melee E Yeah so it's who the tea whoo whoo whoo whoo yes that's better Malcolm it strikes me that there is a lot of hurts but in the world at the moment and that maybe it would be useful to find out something more about it

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so I started with Millie and the first thing she told me is that there isn't one who it's by there's actually two the American version and the Israeli version chutzpa I knew but not the seller 1 Hoots Spa not bad but it's not a paw yeah it's bad Isabella doesn't exist actually New Beginning spa spa all right now you gotta have the hot spot to say who it's by got us a hotel with a certain kind of yeah you hit the second syllable put ba ba it is a lot are coming out of the mouth when he said why so he it when but in America the accent on the first syllable yeah that's fine what's right chutzpa and put spa and they are worlds apart and maybe our chutzpa problem is that we've confused the two

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when I was in Los Angeles a little while back I went to see a Hollywood Legend named already tall guy leaned close to 90 he lives up in the canyons of Beverly Hills one of those 1960s houses perched on a hillside that looks like something off the set of a James Bond movie I had a specific reason to go and see ready but Ruddy is the kind of person that when he starts talking specific reasons go out the window I was born in Canada also now that I know everything about you I bought in Montreal I know I thought yeah what the Montreal then my mother my mother snuck over the border with she divorced with three kids with a go over the Border in New York my mother said when they asked her Junior and Junior High where you were born say you don't know what it look like a fucking more don't know where the fuck I'm bored you crazy I already was the middle child so I was the one who worked hard for everything I've ever got because I had an older sister who was

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and my brother who was the baby I was a schmuck in the middle right so I was always working hard yeah but I decided and I learned it early on and it was it was actually a blessing you know as you know I've been to learn how to take care of myself no one's going to open the fucking doors for me anyway I got to do it while running away the out ready way meant going to Brooklyn Tech then bouncing around working at a gas station studying architecture USC and winding up with a job as a computer programmer at the Rand Corporation think tank in Santa Monica while he's working at Rand ready meets an unemployed actor named Bernie fine so I tell Bernie why don't we practice of his I'm not all right Bernie what the fuck do you have to add a writer there half-hour shows a one-liner it's a simplest format that the one active break the high point and he resolved in an act too

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so on the side the two of them start to write a television pilot a comedy set in a prison not just any prison a Nazi prisoner of war camp and a comic leads are the head of the prison Colonel Klink and a prison guard Sergeant Schultz whose signature line is I know nothing I see nothing I hear nothing somehow ready gets the script to an agent named Mike Levy and leave he gets them a pitch meeting with CBS This was the mid 1960s when CBS was known as a Tiffany Network it was the most prestigious television broadcaster in the world intellectual high-class its president was the legendary William Paley I'm sitting Officer William has Paley who fuckin owns CBS the whole roof CBS guys and me and my now he is there

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Michael had discussed a show called Hogan Sarah

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gopal lives across the table of Mikey says I find the idea of Nazis doing comedy shows who totally reprehensible Michael Eady the agent looks over a ruddy you tell him he blow to his know what to say is oh I'll have him tell you buddy he points to me I've never sold a fucking thing right I acted out the whole show idiotic I'm jumping up and down I know nothing with machine guns and build belly starts I'm he can't stop laughing I swear to Christ before I know it the whole room is Cliff Lee on the other side so I got through and I thought as I got the bill Paley stands up he says I don't know if I could ever buy that show but I said I just want to commend you that that's one of the funniest things I've ever heard

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Hogan's Heroes runs for six seasons from 1965 to 1971 the show wins two Emmys has a huge following and makes CBS a fortune I was not here I did not even get up this morning

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now since our topic is chutzpa let us break this down a computer programmer named Al ready who is Jewish has his agent who is Jewish set up a meeting with Bill Paley who is Jewish about a comedy starring to Nazis and Paley says I'm Jewish I'm not interested but then Rowdy who has never sold a screenplay before in his life convinces him it's actually a great idea and by the way the lead not seen Hogan's Heroes Colonel Klink is played by Werner Klemperer Jewish whose family fled Nazi Germany in 1935 and the prison guard Sergeant Schultz is played by John Banner Jewish who fled Europe in 1939

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the word chutzpa refers to audacity this is audacious ready would go on to write The Longest Yard starring Burt Reynolds and Walker Texas Ranger starring Chuck Norris he was one of the producers on the 2004 film Million Dollar Baby which one a handful of oscars I could go on and now sitting with him in his kitchen as he wheeled his wheelchair back and forth to emphasize the highlight of each of his stories I realized what already is he is chutzpa but this is a very specific kind of chutzpa right remember this show is being made only 20 years after the Nazis stop terrorizing Europe there's camp clink this Camp has a black page of the Glorious history as a Third Reich which I shall report when I get back to Berlin Paley admired ready for the way he behaves he rewarded him if you and Bernie find were

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Jewish could you have gotten away with it

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it didn't enter the didn't atomize any event in my mind and I said yeah no I know One S is no one knew that no one there was never an issue it's funny ready didn't brazenly set out to violate social norms it didn't occur to him that there was a social Norm to violate in America this is what is meant by chutzpa but not in Israel who would Spa is a whole different matter

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spa spa so you also don't say let's / like with a sort of curl to it look a cute kind of chutzpa it's hot spot it's sort of a you suck is it out Spa like what uh what an insult it's it's edgy and bitter it's not like yeah she's got so much hot spot it's a totally different word it has the connotation I would say is like it's a cold spot like someone who's someone who has no care about anyone else's life or feelings or like if your child is me is rude to you if I say to Benjamin yeah it's it's this is like as long as it gets he actually wants like teared up when I said that I could see his face really like shocked yeah he knows what it means like no manners or no or no regard to someone else's feelings or condition yeah that would be the spa it was fun yeah

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one word two very different meanings and we've been conflating the two I'll get into the consequences when we come back

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I'm back with mocha tuba President Chief marketing officer for AT&T business we're talking about 5G what it is what it means and in this segment we're going to focus on one of the most crucial Concepts in the 5G Revolution what is latency as you use that word yeah so whether you're battling zombies in your favorite game to save the world or you're doing robotic surgery latency matters latency is how quickly the network responds to a command so when I trigger a hey I want to listen to revisionist history that takes about a hundred to a hundred fifty milliseconds because the copy of revisionist history is sitting on some compute that's hundreds or thousands of miles away with from me with 5G that latency gets to below 10 milliseconds so 1/10 or more better

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right and one way to think about that is your brain processes reality at about eight milliseconds so the network is getting as fast as your brain is processing reality it will appear instantaneous truly instantaneous one of the areas where AT&T has been doing a lot of work is hospitals if the network can react as fast as your brain then people wouldn't have to be in the same room to work together that's the latency Tipping Point when man and machine can work together instantaneously so imagine how that could help bring about say robotic surgery soon as you get latency to under 10 milliseconds and they disperse 5G Network now if the best heart surgeon is in New York and you're in La using robotic Machinery they can literally perform the surgery on you and it says that's that's the consequence of these low super low latency when the when the automated system is essentially

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acting instantaneously as fast as thought as fast as thought then all of a sudden the job of doing something remotely becomes trivial it's no longer you no longer dealing with that delay exactly

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let's do a second chutzpa case study involving an exact contemporary of Al readies I'm not sure how to introduce my next guest he's a businessman with leads the most colorful life his name is been in the papers a great deal lately and I just met him backstage but I'm anxious to meet him further will you welcome please mr. Joseph Colombo

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in the late 1960s and early 1970s Columbo began making the rounds of talk shows and news programs in New York City invariably the interview would begin with the question of what Joseph Colombo did for a living and invariably his answer would be the same here he is on the Dick Cavett Show in April of 1971 explain what you do for a living as if I had never met you well I'm a real estate salesman and I own a piece of a funeral home and

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that wasn't meant to be funny you may have noticed by the way there's a lot of Dick Cavett in this season of revisionist History I love Dick Cavett anything I can do to own a living honestly and sincerely I hope so cause and in a florists and I own a piece of a Cutting Room in New York that we cut with cereal for dresses yeah it's a cut room and what all these things put together I an 11 yeah and I worked very hard at it very honest and Cecilia Colombo's media tour was to promote an organization he had started called the Italian-American civil rights League well we believe that we ought to scapegoats we have been labeled and stigmatized and I maintain and I'll keep saying that it's each and every Italian-American truly United States that there is a conspiracy against I ask the writer Nick Pileggi about him maybe you remember Pileggi from our fourth of July episode

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earlier this season and what was he like from everything I hear a 10-5 see them speaking on occasion and didn't in rooms with him he was as mild and calm and relaxed as you could imagine he was like a dry good salesman glad you grew up with Colombo in Bensonhurst Brooklyn he came up with this idea of the Italian-American civil rights League their prebys first that Italians were being stigmatized by the mafia that there was really no such thing as the mafia but the media was going after Italian Americans and denying us our right place in the world and we would be prejudiced against getting good jobs or because the New York Times couldn't stop writing the word mafia now what was Joe Colombo's real job aside from running a funeral home and a card shop and selling real estate he was a big-time Mafia Don the prefatory family Oban Giuseppe

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5G dies in 1962 Columbo takes over the organization

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American Jews had the Anti-Defamation League formed in 1913 to combat the long history of anti-Semitism around the world African Americans start the NAACP in 1909 because black people were being openly and ruthlessly denied their civil rights

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the Italian-American civil rights League was started by a mobster upset that the media was calling him a mobster

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in April of 1970 Colombo and a group of his associates started picketing the Manhattan headquarters of the FBI that protest eventually grows to 5,000 people they come up with a logo invoking Christopher Columbus the greatest Italian immigrant of them all by the summer of 1970 they have 45,000 dues-paying members they throw themselves a big benefit concert in Madison Square Garden starring of course Frank Sinatra they go after Alka-Seltzer for their most famous TV commercial in which an Italian Man overseen by his doting wife eats one too many spicy meatballs sometimes you eat more than you should and when it's spicy besides Mama Mia do you need Alka-Seltzer Italians eating meatballs according to Joe Colombo perpetuates harmful stereotypes about Italians Mamma Mia that's us

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shimmied board here's my favorite story involving Joe Colombo in the late 1960s Johnny Carson was a king of late night TV and one of the most famous television Personalities in the country according to his former attorney Henry bushkin Carson was out drinking one night at Jilly's a bar in Manhattan run by a close friend of Frank Sinatra's Jilly Rizzo this is bushkin telling the story on the Artie Lange show a few years ago it was on I think 52nd and eighth right famous watering hole and Johnny was in there one night with McMahon Johnny being Johnny Carson McMahon being his sidekick Ed McMahon and they try to pick up the wrong girls happened to be the wife and sister of a well-known mafioso type of character right okay who is not sensitive about stuff like not happy not happy irritated you might say Carson ends up being thrown

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down the stairs at Jilly's he's so banged up there's no way he can go on television then he learns that the mobster in question has put out a contract on his life what happened was they went looking for Johnny Johnny hold up in the apartment at UN Plaza he's hiding out he takes the week off work he's petrified so what happens Joe Colombo makes a deal with Carson's Network NBC the Columbus Day Parade was about to come up it was like three weeks away right and no network would agree to cover it then because they knew it was the five families of New York that was sponsoring this parade should make the Italian Americans look you know it's a Carson's hiding out and a deal was struck if NBC covers the parade the let Carson go so that year had be seized the only Network that covered the parade car he gets off oh and what happens the following year 1971

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and when Joe Colombo stages the second even more elaborate Columbus Day event intended to show the world that the Italian-American community of New York is peaceful and law-abiding someone shoots him that's right they had the first foot at Columbus Circle of the second when they shot Joe Colombo I mean it's just insane but you couldn't make this up like at the or going to make grants to they could have done it any location in the city besides Columbus Circle happiness but in the middle of a rally of a rally intended to whitewash the Italian-American Community somebody offs the guy trying to whitewash the what I mean is this is chutzpa all over the place but it's not our red he's kind of hurts but is it having a Jewish actor play a Nazi prison guard who runs around saying in the middle of the Holocaust I know nothing I hear nothing I see nothing in a prime-time television sitcom

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is well it's kind of amazing

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but Joe Colombo mob boss starting the Italian-American civil rights League this is hurt Spa on a whole other level for goodness sake at the time he was shot Colombo was under Federal indictment on charges of controlling a ten million dollar a year gambling Syndicate this is not audacity this is shamelessness the other kind of chutzpa Hoots bah

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in the Book of Genesis there is a famous passage where the prophet Abraham speaks to God about the moral outrage has in Sodom and Gomorrah God wants to destroy both cities but Abraham says wait what if there are 50 righteous people in Sodom and Gomorrah will you really sweep those cities away and not spare them for the sake of those 50 righteous people so the Lord says okay if you can find 50 righteous men I will spare the city's Abraham then says what if there were only 45 righteous men you wouldn't want to kill 45 perfectly innocent men for the sake of five at the margin and God says you're right aspect 45 to which Abraham responds why not 30 I mean same logic God says okay they keep going

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any end Abraham gets him down to 10

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Abraham is being very Israeli here Israel is what is called a low power distance culture meaning that it's a place where there is very little respect for hierarchy or formality in social interaction France is the opposite kind of place a high power distance culture nobody just calls up God directly in France in France Abraham would have had to file an application with the Department of divine communication wait three months for an appointment then present some kind of formal legal written on behalf of the righteous of Gomorrah not in Israel

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here's another example of low power distance at work in Israel it's the word nu nu nu is what linguists call a reactive token meaning a word used in conversation by the party that's doing the listening aha is a reactive token so is really the point of a reactive token is to Signal involvement without claiming the floor from the speaker I understand I'm interested keep going but new is an unusual reactive token because it's not neutral it's not I'm listening it means hurry up get to the point no no

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now is new polite in virtually all cultures in the world of course the answer would be no new is not some gentle conversational nudge it's a hijacking The Listener is interrupting the speaker in order to control the pace of the narrative but in Israel this is not necessarily true the Israeli linguist Yelm ashlar has written extensively on new she says quote by exhibiting their impatience with the movement towards the climax of a story to the point of taking the liberty of controlling the flow of another's discourse hearers can show maximal involvement in the narrative

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meaning we in Israel have no need to beat around the bush with neutral reactive tokens we're a tiny country with zero power distance what happens tell me I can't wait any longer in Abraham's argument with God Abraham talks God down very methodically 50 righteous men to 45 to 40 to 30 to 20 and then 10 and Shirley right around the 40 mark when it would have been obvious to any omniscient entity where Abraham was going God must have interrupted new I love you Abraham you know that there is no need to drag this out

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my friend Millie says that since coming to America she has struggled with the transition to a land of excessive social nicety like this past winter when she was dealing with her Children's School like if I say for example you know can we have less snow days like even if there's a snow day like can't you just leave the school open I'm just asking my husband says that sweet spot like you don't think about what their point of view is you don't think about what the teachers have to do to get to school you don't think about their safety you don't think that the other kids and that's true but I just want to know they like why can I just ask a question so that's you know yes this see you were in Israel and the same scenario I mean I realize there's no snow days in Israel but suppose you're making the same request of the school and I am the principal of the school and your ass I would like you to ask me is it Israeli ask me why the school can't stay open or say a excuse me you know my my kids at home I don't have the time

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time to take care of them they need to be inside the school you need to keep the school open so I can leave my kids there and everybody else agrees with me you want me to ask I'm gonna get 20 people who agree with me do you want it this is would be like not puts bottle and what is the very nice by the way and what we're just in the principle in Israel would respond how excuse me I'm not working for you that I'm running a school yeah I have a long way to come from home driving in the snow is not easy so please and also there's also insurance and all things that you don't think about so please you know what call me later after I put my own kids down and we'll talk on the phone okay this will be the conversation she wouldn't hate me she would just like yeah she continued arguing with me and then she'll tell me to shut up but she wouldn't like here they don't even like answer my email it's so embarrassing

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so we have two very different scenarios here chutzpa that's already convincing Bill Paley to green-light Hogan's Heroes and Israeli would look at that and say alright he's just being direct so what but Joe Colombo starting the Italian-American civil rights League that is not Abraham arguing with God to save The Righteous of Sodom and Gomorrah that is not new that is not why can't the school stay open on a snow day that is an affront it's not the I do something and I'm you know a dog has no who's far my dog does it that was not bad it was getting very close very close but the thing is distinctive about this is the person who is completely unencumbered by shame exactly well shame has nothing do it they don't they're so beyond shame they don't even see they don't even see you to feel shame yeah it's their point of view without any regard to anyone else's life

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without regard to anyone else's life remember that

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I'm back with mocad Abba we're talking about 5G the next great digital Revolution the revolution beyond the phone today an ambulance pulls up to the hospital and you've got a handoff data to the medical professionals inside the hospital with 5G you can imagine that becomes an automated process which also helps patient lives it's more efficient and you're handing off the data more precisely it's a beautiful thing and then more long term becomes how do we think through training doctors to become better surgeons faster in the future using augmented reality you can literally watch the best surgeons on Earth

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perform surgery and learn as if it's you doing it with augmented reality you can overlay the scan of the patient if you will so you never have to look away from them and can help guide you on the next thing you need to do is part of your surgery and presumably when you're training someone you would no longer have to be in the room as you train them you could have access to a wide number of people who are giving you advice because they could all watch through your eyes right exactly

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not long after I spoke with Millie Avital there was a hearing in front of three federal judges at a courthouse in San Francisco it was about the treatment of Migrant children detained at the border and issue was whether the conditions under which the children were being held violated a previous legal commitment made by the government to provide safe and sanitary conditions in detention centers the Department of Justice sent an attorney Sarah Fabian to make the case that the government was in compliance with the safe and sanitary standard her principal argument was at the term safe and sanitary didn't have an explicit definition and that's any number of things might fall under those categories that's Fabian and this is one of the judges Marcia Burrs on this Punk but sleep surely does right you can't be safe and and and sanitary or safe as a human being if you can't sleep

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well and you said in your brief so doesn't say anything about sleeping so therefore there's nothing in here about they have been able to sleep the children it turned out didn't have beds or blankets or in some cases even room to lie down sobers on wonders how is that not a violation of the agreement to provide decent living conditions and Fabian answers I think the concern there is your honor the court finding that sleep for example falls under is relevant to a finding of no safe and sanitary conditions is one thing but the ultimate conclusion is safe and sanitary is a singular category in the agreement you probably need to be a lawyer to understand what Fabian is saying and I'm not a lawyer so I'm going to have to guess the government's argument goes like this sleep is one thing safe and sanitary are another if the agreement had meant for sleep to fall under the requirement of safe and sanitary it would have said so

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then judge William Fletcher chimes in maybe sleep wasn't explicitly part of the safe and sanitary definition because it's too obvious I mean it may be that they don't get super thread-count Egyptian Lennon's I get that but the testimony that the district judge believed was it's really cold that it gets colder When We complain about is being cold we're supposed to sleep crowded with the lights on all night long and all you do put us on his the concrete floor with an aluminum blanket I mean no one would argue that this is secure and sanitary your honor I think what I'm arguing is that the way that the district court reached the conclusion was to say these these specific items and I think I will acknowledge I think sleep is the more difficult and of what I'm arguing sleep is the more difficult end of what I'm arguing you

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cold all night long lights on all night now sleep on the concrete and you got an aluminum foil blanket I think I find that inconceivable that the government would say that that is safe and sanitary from sleep in blankets the discussion moved on to toothpaste toothbrushes and soap wasn't you know high-class Milton soap it was so and that sounds know that's part of safe and sanitary are you disagreeing with that

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I'm what I'm disagreeing with is that the court the court ultimately concluded these things yes she was disagreeing with that all of this went on for some time I would encourage you to listen to the full hearing for yourself since if you are an American it was your government paid for by your tax dollars that was doing the arguing and ask yourself how did we come to this

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there are a thousand answers obviously but maybe one of them is it over the years our moral vocabulary has become impoverished which is a problem because you cannot make sense of things that you cannot describe and lumping together audacity and shamelessness creates a loop hole large enough to drive a tank through

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one last question what happens when chutzpa and Hoot Spa go head-to-head when they meet each other in the field of battle well it happened famously in 1970 already at that point was working at Paramount Pictures that was the era when Robert Evans was the head of production at Paramount and the studio was on may be the greatest run of any Studio ever love story three days of the Condor Rosemary's Baby Chinatown on and on Al ready in typical alrady fashion had just talked himself into a big job there as a producer a reporter comes to do a piece on him he asked ready after you did Hogan's Heroes what did you do next oh no that's all I did that's it puts apparel can I go off the record for a second with you I he said and the fuck did you get in here I know guys can't get in that gate of been here 20 years

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pickle I said listen now that we're off the record I had no idea what the fuck laughter I never developed a screenplay I did one half-hour show okay I'm the dumbest guy on this lot at the moment I won't be for long but just all right in the artery still with the hot spot around this time Paramount almost by accident got the film rights to a novel by a writer named Mario Puzo The Novel was The Godfather no one had high hopes for the movie since the mobster genre seemed played out so they gave it to the new guy ready to produce in hopes he could bring it in on time and under budget almost immediately trouble began with the Godfather project trouble from Joe Colombo

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because Colombo was not at all happy about the movie they were death threats Union problems Shady guys followed running around the window of his car was smashed the corporate headquarters of the company that owned Paramount had to be evacuated twice because the bomb threats and then the Italian-American civil rights League called up Rudy's boss Robert Evans the only call Bob Evans app and threatened him when want that movie made that movie made some what's good in height so Bob called me sir would you go see the sky kill column if he's got people are crazy ready calls up the Godfather's Arthur Mario Puzo says come with me to meet Joe Colombo here's another you crazy

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you don't understand I write about those people I never want to be involvement and you've been very careful getting involved because these are not people you could talk with the bullshit you're gonna get in a lot of trouble so the answer your question I am not like not gonna go tell him you don't even know me so ready says okay I'll do it myself he goes to the offices of the Italian-American civil rights League meets up with Colombo and his guys Brooklyn to Brooklyn looks like half of them are on parole you know with who look lump under the jacket they tell him they don't want the movie made it's bad for the Italians ready responds you know what I'll let you read the script come to the Paramount office in New York Colombo shows up with three henchmen Ruddy hands in the script it's a hundred and fifty five pages long it was uneventful - classes

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go to page 26 it looks after about five minutes what does this mean fade in I saw the screens black in the front lines it I realize is no way that I quarter page 202 is oh I can't believe these glasses a mafia boss is not going to work his way through a hundred and fifty five page script the whole point of being a Mafia Boss is that you don't have to read things that are a hundred fifty five pages Mafia bosses do not have to do the fine print the letter of the law or chapter and verse those are for the people who have chosen not to live a life of crime Colombo hands the script to one of his henchmen a guy named Caesar

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but Caesars not going to be today there is he Caesar is not in the business of giving notes Caesars muscle is why me goodbye to my script whatever my dad finally do gets pissed off he grants us got slapped it on my desk the wait a second do we like this guy yeah I like a weary of that's a read the fucking script for so I said well what do you what do you want what do you live He's a would you take the word mafia out of the movie what Colombo doesn't realize because he hasn't read the script is it the word mafia is barely in the script it only appears once so I cross the word mafia I said Joe I'ma do this I'm going to take this out of the movie he didn't know how many times it was Ill he seemed to promise shook his head I made a deal that nobody could have made because no one read this was planned from that moment on all trouble with the movie ceased its why the Godfather got made

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put Spa is a bunch of violent Mobsters threatening to shut down the movie because it depicts them as violent Mobsters chutzpa is tricking them because you're too lazy to read the script it's so difficult Malcolm I put my tongue all the time yeah there's no it's not easy it's not easy for you to be over here in this Land of Funk politeness I'm basically living 10% of my personality because I have to be I'm in saw that really wants to be direct she's not a bully and I wonder can we even tell the difference anymore

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it's not good it's not good it's a very extreme I'm a desert person having to deal with ya know

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revisionist history is produced by me labelled and Jacob Smith with Camille Baptista our editor is Julia Barton flan Williams is our engineer fact-checking by Beth Johnson original music by Luis Guerra special thanks to Carly migliori had a Fain Maggie Taylor my akane egg and Jacob Weisberg revisionist history is brought to you by Pushkin Industries I'm Malcolm Gladwell

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so we did again Millie Millie Millie it's a flat-out okay and then the tongue is flat there's no curl l-let me Milli so that's melee it's not Avital yeah it's a Vista you'll have it down every time this is the other difference is also the T doesn't have a sort of air to it so it's not it's so do you hear the difference or is it just me