#1285 - B-Real

Apr 23, 2019

B-Real is a rapper and actor. He is the lead rapper in the hip hop group Cypress Hill and one of two rappers in the rap rock supergroup Prophets of Rage. Also check out his show "The Smoke Box" on BReal.tv & YouTube. 

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boom what's up brother what's up bro see you my friend always thanks for having wild man yeah we've both been busy it's crazy and in the meantime we'd became legal yes you guys were at the Forefront man you guys were way ahead you were ahead of everybody you know we took a shot a shot you know it's donors and Advocates and whatnot you know we were Stoners it first right you know that's how you start like you know your friends is a man tried this or you're the one who says try this right it's one of the other and you know eventually you start getting into the High Times magazines and stuff like that and looking at the you know the centerfold pictures of the weed but also we like we like to read too hastily so you know we'd get into some of the activism aspect of it as well and that's when we heard names like Jack Herer who pretty much opened our eyes to everything and then you know I think we became real

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Advocates you know at first you know we thought we were yeah you know sort of we read the Times magazines and we were Stoner so we thought we were Advocates but like in Reading what other Freedom Fighters were actually doing out there and protests and rallies and all that stuff you know we we really weren't Advocates like we thought we became that later for sure yeah Jack was way way way ahead of the curve he's a such an interesting story rest in peace because he was a Goldwater Republican you know he was just a button-down old-school Republican then he got a girlfriend and then the girlfriend got him smoking weed yeah and then also he's like man this is fucking amazing God why am I such a dick what's wrong with me who am I what am I doing my life absolutely it's totally flipped his life around yeah the emperor wears no clothes the fucking great book man yeah it holds it holds strong to this day because everything that he said in the book is sort of happening right now all the stuff that they you know they tried to

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prevent from happening through all the anti cannabis propaganda yeah you see it now and now you see those very companies trying to get into the industry if they were always on the outside of the waiting you know there is all I got the launching block not quite ready to run but any minute now it's going to get legal yeah exactly I mean you know they're lying in wait with Fields like acreage that no one can ever come close to probably right yeah I mean the thing I heard maybe like five years ago before it was legal in Denver or bit longer than that before we got legalization here that you know companies like Philip Morrison and you know companies like that were already buying land in already trademarking names yeah you know for some of the Cannabis that we know today so that when they come into the game you know they have ownership on some of the names

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some of the brands and certain trademarks and stuff like that to that and obviously the acreage to you know Pro vast sums of cannabis yeah you know who knows how true that is but I don't doubt some of that I don't doubt it either sneaky shit was Ohio Ohio was they were trying to make it legal but if they were going to make it legal there's only like it was two companies that were out Jamie's from Ohio I think like four but I think that is how it went yeah they were the only ones going to be allowed to grow it and sell it like far fuck you Monopoly that is not legal weed that is you being a cunt that's Monopoly yeah and it's crazy you know yeah because you know you had like people that got those licenses or permits or whatever that had no knowledge on the Cannabis culture or business how to cultivate and and how to run retail stores or any of that they didn't have any of that knowledge and you know they'll usually give it to an

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because they know how much money they stand to me that's like if there was just one distribution center right and everybody has to go through that Distribution Center how much money does that Distribution Center make because you've got to pay for your shit to go there and then you know who knows if it while you know if it passes because you know as a cultivator what you did so you'll know it'll pass because it's clean but you still gotta pay that fee every time and it's got to go through them fortunately here in California you know they allowed people to have distribution licenses so that there's not one Distribution Center because that would be a monopoly for sure and that's what they wanted to supposedly you know the lobbyists that that puts 64 together we're trying to stop it from being a monopoly and corporations coming in and taking over and stuff like that you know so interesting because pot is such a non corporate drug you know such a non corporate thing

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that these corporations were trying to get a grip yeah on weed it just it seemed it seemed obscene you know seemed seemed disgusting yeah it's a little out of place you know a lot of place right you know because you know you think about where it comes from and it's been Outlaw for so long it's kind of like you know the way alcohol was for so long but it longer than Al Qaeda but it's been demonized longer yes yeah and now you know you have people trying to come in and throw money into it and and they got you know in some of these guys don't realize it's not just about the money into it you got to do the due diligence on what this business is you can't cut corners on the cultivation you know you can't cut corners on quality because people you know they're there

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there's more information out there yeah you know so people know you're even if they're not a connoisseur as a consumer you know they can they can read about shit they can learn about stuff so if you're getting over on him or if you're putting some shit quality product out there I mean people are going to know and and all that money that these guys put into to trying to get into the Cannabis business they're just throwing it into the fire yeah some of them will come out of it you know they'll partner up with Brands did exist in people that have knowledge but you know it's the corporations that come in in the next five years it's going to be it's going to be interesting because I do think that it's set up for them to come in the taxes are so high right now for the consumer and for the cultivator and for the retail shop that you got to survive this wash right now that's happening in order to still be you know

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doing business when the corporate structure comes in because please believe they're going to Lobby so that those taxes come down because the margins are not right you know as 40% tax is that what it is now it was 39 in Denver right yeah but in here well for Nia it's you know 40% into the consumer the consumer is like who gives a fuck let's get there if I could just pull in and get some weed race should give a fuck this shit but in comparison alcohol like how much it cost if you go out for a night for some drinks get Causeway more you get high for a month yeah what it takes to get pretty much few drinks in a night it depending where you go those fancy drinks are even W yeah yeah and with less alcohol well the other thing is that these companies they don't understand the culture it's a different culture you can't bullshit us but you can't bullshit us with marketing and advertising that shit is not gonna work you can't have like the most interesting man in the world selling weed stay stay thirsty my friends knock that guy now that is going to work you got to get somebody like Mike

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Phelps yeah man for real I felt for real I would buy weed from Michael Phelps how funny was it that he got in trouble for that you know what I find it funny is how you know they put these stereotypes on Stoners for so long like that we're lazy unproductive and all that stuff this guy's one of the most decorated Olympian Zeus in the history you know I mean what does he got like 15 gold fucking meddlings Preposterous yeah mr. big lungs that's what we call him mr. big lungs I probably could take a rip on a bong think about it my God being shit idea probably crazy capacity there it is probably snap a to granbull discussed was the person who ratted him out some low some kids some yeah derp little dickhead what a piece of shit yeah I imagine it's going up party trying to have a good time some kids there with his phone that's social network for you though they want to go viral

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so they'll get you in that moment where you know you're supposed to be a friend but that was like before all out of that shit was happening like what year was that let's guess what gear was that 12 2012 well before yeah before let's just say before you know Instagram kicked off but it was still YouTube and Twitter yeah you know if you wanted to put somebody on blast or you wanted to have a viral video YouTube has been there for a long time yeah Twitter was like 2007 right I believe so yeah I think when was Michael one was Michael Phelps when they get in trouble I'm looking it's I'm seeing different stuff so I saw it a picture of it on YouTube from 2009 so that means would have been in 2008 Olympics but um let's see that makes sense like it was a long time ago yeah that makes sense though because he didn't came back right yeah he retired and came back well I think he was suspended the biggest suspended 2009 is when he got

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and then and then he had to you know do the suspension and he came back and got some more metals like haha fuck you right I love that was he suspended because of the weed yeah well you know Hey listen on in a lot of places it's still on a banned substance list oh yeah Texas Texas is real bad February 2012 2009 he was only 23 apologized for the incident was caught on camera party smoking a bong with that was allegedly marijuana so you know he shouldn't have apologized for you shouldn't have had to of apologized for that thing is that they have those guys bent over a box because they're all just trying to get that sponsorship money right because yeah you have to be squeaky clean as you want to be on the Wheaties box yeah cheering Olympian yeah they're not going to put Cypress Hill on a Wheaties box - yeah wouldn't that be great though but take the th out a daddy and put a d and IES at the end let's go Wheaties yeah I don't

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you guys were so far ahead of the curve though you know I mean you you were you had weed songs like when like what year that was the first album was in 91 and we started riding for that album probably four years prior wow and you know the weed songs those came about because we are weed-heads you know we just fuck it let's be ourselves right different thing know for people that were were fans because when I was listening to you I was just getting ready to move from Boston to New York and back then you would hurt hear about new hip-hop bands from like friends yeah I get it like yeah there's no Word of Mouth yeah sure I would hear about it like somebody that I think somebody I worked out with had it and I was like what the fuck is this and then like that Cypress Hill is like damn we were trying to be different you know not sound like a typical West

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you know group right has a lot of a lot of West Coast groups at that point you know what the labels were looking for were in wa you know types and you know things like that like either you know gangster West Coast gangsta rap they were looking for that or either the Kid Frost Chicano type yeah and we don't want to do that we don't want to foothold ourselves like that you know mugs being from New York he wanted to sort of blend Both Worlds right so you know we went with with the East Coast type sound with LA you know type of slang mixed with with East Coast slang and so people you know they were like where the fuck are these guys from and people thought were from Cypress Hill New York because there's a Cypress Hill down there and you know people just didn't really know it first because we were one of the first groups that didn't put our images on any of our first you know any of our singles or our art covers we never did like the the shots like

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no thatthat were existing at that time where it's a clean shot of the group or the artist or whatever we were always on some you know because we were metalheads to you know before the Hip Hop we like the Obscure metal album so we didn't we were like we're not going to put ourselves on the covers were just going to do these crazy obscure covers and make people you know try to guess who we are be mysterious damn we talk about longevity I mean you guys you guys been around a long fucking time and you can create dropped off at all it's crazy you know we didn't expect it we didn't know how long I run would be we just kept working you know we always had a strong work ethic we were never the types just to sit around we're always doing something you know mugs always making beats you know I'm always writing to something I'm always into one project or another so it was always just about keeping busy in that that suited us well it's crazy 28 years later still banging it's crazy what you say

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how many eight years 28 years later from your first album man and again you guys never dropped off for a second not once you were always there but you have to be consistent in hip-hop you know in music in general especially like if there's a time where radio stops playing your music or you know as MTV stop playing music videos and they went for more reality show type programming you got you got to stick out there so for us it was you know constantly doing shows we didn't put out as many albums as we could have but we thought less was more you know instead of like driving the music into your heart like a steak or something like that with just you know let everything breathe for a while and there was there was a time where you know we sort of let go of doing everything it was like a six-year period where we just kind of took off we didn't we weren't away completely we're still doing like sporadic shows here and there to keep up the profile but we weren't

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touring and working on music I was off fucking around competing in paintball tournaments it could be really get into paintball oh man yeah I had a team called stoned assassins and and it was competitive paintball at the time I was you know training martial arts as I've done throughout my life and I was also playing competitive paintball and a martial arts are you doing Shotokan I started off with Taekwondo and I got sort of I mean it's it's like it was it was the dojo was cool you know and I was progressing quickly but I sort of fell out with the master there with the seafood or whatever can't remember what I was doing them yeah and one of my partners who I grew up with who is one of my partners in our dr. Greenthumb Brandon whatever his father was a was a you know Sensei and his Sensei and became my Sensei I went from Taekwondo to Shotokan

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and I started training with him I mean he had been in the dojo since he was 5 years old training with his father so you know I came into that it took it took a little bit of convincing for me to go from one thing to another because it's such a different style mmm but you know I adapted to it and I liked it and it was very different less flash but his very disciplined and his father you know he was you know born in Japan raised out there and he you know there there she is kind of different they go to to martial arts universities and they get degrees in different martial arts so they can go and take like okay hapkido and Jujitsu and Shotokan and all this and you know get their their degrees you know they work their way up in the belt system and all that stuff but they become teachers through through that University I guess and fast

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and yeah his father was one of the guys in one of the federation's that he's one of the three or four sensei's that have to come in and give you the black belt when you actually get it yeah what was it SKF a or something like I got you know I'm just gone for karate Federation some yeah something like that yeah well you could imagine when Lyoto Machida came on the scene you know we were like yeah someone representing the style that you know we were training under any yeah a lot of people got excited when he came about he was really the first guy to legitimize karate in the modern era of mixed martial arts you showed like if you could do all those other things if you could stuff takedowns and you new submissions and all those things on top of that you could live yeah you could and you could do it in a weird way that people didn't really understand this timing yeah you know Wonderboy Thompson similar to that to it's got a weird timing weird timing it's you know and then the faints with the hips he was good with that shit like you know he would throw people off with that and

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we I just happened to go see his fight against Rashad Evans oh shit and man I mean it's surprised all of us I mean we thought he would win but we didn't know he would win in that fashion I mean yeah he was something special yeah you know I mean and he's doing he's over at Bellator now right with his brother his brother Qin Zoe's been a over there for a while his brother little I think his brothers a bantamweight or featherweight one of those but yeah that I think it's good to go from Taekwondo to other styles because Taekwondo gives you a lot of dexterity you want to move your legs easily yes absolutely it's a good foundation yeah it's good way to start off it's good for little kids to the get sure that doesn't you know it's not a lot of head contact or not coordination yeah yeah and then when you learn if you weren't if you really actually want to fight you want to learn Muay Thai and all those other things you have way quicker legs yeah just move better yeah for me you know I was never good with all those flashy kicks like that so you know big dude yeah it was harder for me Taekwondo like

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Shotokan was definitely hard but it was more suited for someone my hardstyle shoulder comes a hard stop it is with style and he you know he when he was training as he would not like led up because he will be reels here let me go light on him nah everything I did like you know that that I did outside of music when I try like for instance paintball when it went into paintball there was a price on my head every game everybody wanted to give me extra shots core so like if I got hit well I'm walking out I would get 10 20 extra paint balls to my back oh you know and we'd give it right back to them you know in the very next game when we played them guys again we were making sure to give him that right back but you got deep into this oh yeah was man it's addicting man I got to tell you if there's any physical activity that is addicting it is paintball because it's chest with guns because it's so fast and so close and you got to think of a strategy you know it's not all

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shooting straight way it's all shooting angles and getting your guys to positions to get those guys out to keep moving up to get their flag wipe them out and bring the flag back now are there restrictions on power like the power the guns yeah yeah I believe you can't shoot above 300 PS I think it's I think it's the the highest you can shoot is maybe to 85 to 90 at least at the time I have if you go balls out if you want to get the ultimate paintball gun what is that Holloman it's it's hard because we were using different guns at the time because it's like each year a better gun comes out the technology gets better so you know we were using it first when we started these these guns called angels and then we went over into these other guns fuck I can't remember the name of them but they were light I mean the best thing is to have a light gun with with the trigger that you can fancy because that's the technique to get it to shoot like a like a Uzi right you're not

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post to be able to pull the trigger and multiple balls come out with one pull it supposed to be that the the gun shoots is fast as your two fingers or three can toggle so if you get a rhythm you could shoot that thing like a fucking Uzi you know and everybody has a different position you know like mine I was like one of the quarterbacks which is the last three on the line see it's like a football field right you got the 50 and there's obstacles at the 50 and in between and it's mirrored on the other side the quarterbacks play the back and they shoot a whole bunch of paint so that the other guys that are the front and mid guys can get into these different positions to shoot the other guys out so the guys in the back we're shooting the most paint so you have to use that Fanning style so using three fingers three fingers because the the trigger where your where the the base where you're pulling the trigger you can fit three fingers there yeah it's really for to but you could fit three

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yeah this this was our team right here still in the SAS know the seven and we were always pretty stoned when we're playing did that help yeah the the furthest we went we took third place in one tournament wow you guys so this is crazy like you guys all these barriers and shit and these are all blow up barriers right here it's like a football field yeah that's what they would replicate like a football soccer field and you know you put all the these obstacles up these blow up obstacles and they're all just positions to try to take to get a better angle on the other side and what's the what's the ultimate goal to take everybody out it's you get points for taking the other side out but you get the maximum points getting their flag and bring it back to your side and you know you get points for how many guys on your side that are still alive so you know you would get a hundred percent if all seven of your guys were alive you killed all them and brought their

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that ever happen oh yeah damn who you playing you know because crawling around it said the thing about paintball right is it let's just say there's six tiers right there's the pros there's the semi-pros there's the amateurs there's the novice there's the rookie and each each each tier had at least 200 teams competing in this WOW / tournament in these guys back in that time I don't know how how it is now because I'm a good period in a long time but they would do five tournaments a year one would be in Huntington Beach the biggest one and it was awesome they would throw it you know right next to a surfing tournament so like it would just be cross people crossing up watching the Surfers and to come and watching the paintball then it would hit to you know Boston and Florida and Las Vegas and one other one other place I can't remember but we would do these tournaments for I was doing them for like four or five years and the guy before me

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that was the the Ambassador was one of the one of the Bee Gees one of the Bee Gees are the one who passed away first Barry Gibb was a bearing no he's the one that always wear the hat he was the shorter one so he was a paintball he was a paintball fiend like myself he he owned a store he had a team I think it was based out of Florida out of Miami and he would compete up until when he passed away he was like the Ambassador and I kind of his yeah I came in and took his spot when Reese yeah Maurice Maurice Gibb that's crazy I had no idea yeah wow you guys are armored the fuck up huh these things must sting oh man I mean I'd leave with at least 20 paintball bruises you know you know in one one sitting and you know your you look like a leopard come wow coming off after that you know who else was a big paintball enthusiasts was William Shatner really yeah he would hold these crazy

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like in Trekkie style where it's the scenario game meaning that okay here's the castle I'm going to be in the castle right here you guys got it Siege the castle and if you guys can come get me out of here you guys win this round and they would sit through the three days they'd set up different scenarios like there you go soon William Shatner playing paintball this is crazy I would have never guessed but how does he run he can't run well no here's old he doesn't run they put him in a central place and he'll shoot sometimes he would go out there but so he would just stay put yeah he would stay put you would have to protect him my old man paintball he would fight to him he would fight to but he would he would you know they would be trying to protect him oh that's so crazy yeah wow and I mean there's a bunch of celebrities that paint bald man Will Smith was paintballing before he did I Robot really he did that he came down to the park where we would practice that we play

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with him and his team but it was a scenario game Joaquin Phoenix we Mekhi Phifer I mean you'd be surprised how many but looks like fun I guess I shouldn't be surprised you let off steam yeah how many people on a team on a competition team you have you have 11 for the roster and seven play out of time and you can you know switch guys out but now it's different now they do like five men in three men teams don't know anything about the new style but you know they constantly call me back because I'm in better shape than I was when I played I was a little bit heavier than that's why I was at quarterback wasn't you know I wasn't running too fast then but you know that they always hit me man I'll always get hit on my DM on IG or Twitter like hey man when you come back to the papal feeling like when I get time which is probably never but it seems like I have a big time sucking loved it man I love to play in the game it was so addicting it was hard to pull away

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from it I would even at times be coming home from from a tour straight into a tournament like I'd get off the plane I'd have somebody have my paintball shit ready and boom straight to the tournament can't tell you how many times I was doing yeah fucking crazy it's funny when things get in your blood right they get in your bones yeah that got in my blood like martial arts did because I was always like an Enthusiast like you know for a long time you know and when I finally started training I was training like seven days a week man I wouldn't give myself any time off because I wanted to learn fast and I wanted to absorb it you know did you ever fuck with you just do no idea I always wanted to but I never did I don't you try I thought about it and one down 10th Planet man I fit right in I think I will you know like a lot of people have asked me and invited me because they know you know I'm a UFC fan I'm a mixed martial arts fan I'm a boxing fan you know all that shit

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you know couple of my cousins are well one of them was a champion professional boxer which was Michael carbajal and his nephews your cousin yes ma'am I meant my mmm I met him one day at The Comedy Store yeah long time ago man yeah when he was when he was a chap he was a beast he was a beast and his nephew is now now boxing Keenan carbajal oh okay cool so yeah you know we're rooting for family right there but Arizona right yeah from a-z yeah yeah so yeah I've been invited to you know come fuck with some Jujitsu and I think I you know I think I will because I mean you got to know it I think I think you know it's something that would benefit anyone from to know that yeah so it's you don't actually you know get in a fight and have to hurt somebody bad or they hurt you you know saying yeah just choke them just choke him out I saw Everlast choke some guy out one night really was the fucking because you know he

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he fucks around a little bit you know he knows people that teach Jiu-Jitsu and they've taught him a couple things and we're at the rainbow one night were we were holding Court just smoking like it's Amsterdam down there and we were having a conversation and he kept hearin some dude cross the cross of a couple tables over kept saying Everlast this Everlast that and he yo money say my name one more time and he goes Everlast and he went back to talking to his people because he did take every last was good come up and do nothing ever lasts went and walked over to this table look to his face turned him around real quick and stuck choking of the fuck say my name again muddy saying oh man it was it was hilarious but yeah man well 10th planet is downtown right near where your place is yeah yeah so your studio your setup that's that's real

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the temple and Jujitsu yeah man just let me know I'll said I will man you gotta avoid any Flat Earth conversations that come up oh I you know like ears and keep moving I get those from I get those from time to time you know I get a flatter stay the fuck off of YouTube man man yeah they get confused yeah that's it that's the craziest shit because I always argue like this about the flat earth right so a listen if we got a flatter there's an edge right and there's always Thrill Seekers looking to do something thrilling and there's always a thrill seeker that fox up and falls right off of that edge right so how many motherfuckers would be falling off the edge of the Earth if we really had one for sure you know to be climbers there'd be a bunch of dudes who would try to hang off the edge of take selfies think about it right 12 people this year have died at the Grand Canyon that's the Grand Canyon is that really that many that many things so far in this year and some

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all died of a heart attack there because you know it's too much for them to be on that little bridge that they have their that extends past the edge of a canyon they put in a little Bridge way so that you can go and look down people have heart attacks and people who have had heart attacks from that but the other guys are the ones trying to do selfies fallen off fucking bridge and plummeting right so you gotta think man if we had if we had a flat Earth how many people would be visiting the edge taking a selfie man there's no you know come on no doubt there'd be teams of people teams they would travel to Flat Earth and they would they would like rope we'd apparent like look like Alex Honnold probably try to climb up the side we'd hear it on the news another person has died from falling off the edge of the Earth yeah it would be a hundred percent that BR hundred people will tell you though that the government guards that yeah not and are there right yeah you can't go near it bro

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yeah battleships well there wouldn't be just one Edge though right that's true they're didn't think that through ya know there'd be several edges if we're flat yeah but see you got to have that YouTube mentality you got to put your head in a little box leave it in there yeah fucking turn the oven box on and stick your head in the government's blocking the edge man you can't get near it yeah where it's like we're living in this Dome hmm you know that's that's the one yeah the Dome the Dome Theory there's no space space is fake rock man people do what people want to believe in some crazy shit you know I wonder how much of them are stoners like most of them right how many of them are micro dosing okay yeah probably because you know because because that's a thing now everybody's like fucking micro dosing right now and it's not bad for you they say it's actually you know kind of good for you but Ron why it's doing it but when white microdose is psilocybin every day yes bad never felt better in my life and they like to talk when they're microdose

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especially psilocybin just have these ideas that's the thing you have ideas in your mind becomes open to shit that normally you know you're closed off to obviously you know yeah but you know I think they think that the Earth is a disk I think that's what I've heard recently the think it's a disc a disc some sort of floating disc in and then we live in the firmament or something like that there's like some sort of a cover over the top of the disc and that's what the here it is what is this Jamie the case the cruise next year that they are the flatter the crews yeah oh my God Is that real that's eventually they're going to get to the fucking glaciers and go toward told you the wall the Flat Earth to help they jump out the eaten by a polar bear that's the funniest shit has to use like GPS to get around so I mean good luck you know how many scientists do they have on their side all of them that's the funniest shit now it's fucking ridiculous there's there's a there's

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gigantic satellites that take huge high resolution photos of the Earth every 10 seconds yeah orbit from thousands of miles out those are doctored yeah it's just the whole thing is so fucking stupid I love all the shit to believe in like to invest any energy in that like why would someone lie about the shape of the earth that's the dumbest part about you want to know what I think is is before the internet and all these different platforms where you can get information they you know our government and other governments could debunk any information on UFOs anything because they you know there wasn't like the wide communication that exists now right so I think now they put in people who are saying this crazy wild way out shit so that people are that are really trying to expose truth on certain things they get looked at as whack jobs like the rest of those that are trying to say oh well Flat Earth or we're on a disk or we're in a globe or blah blah blah

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you know I've been spying on you they'll throw all that together you have it is spying on you yeah if they are that is for sure they really are that it's you know since George Bush jr. was President they've been listening to our phone calls I mean that's a fact I mean that was one of the things they enacted with the homeland security that they can record every American's call and you know whatever conversation mentioned certain keywords as we were saying earlier they would you know they would get shuffled off to a certain Department in those guys were red-flagged and looked at and that still happens today to still to this day you don't need a warrant they just listen I mean I'll tell you this right there was a I've been traveling what 20 20 some odd years at this point where when I when I was coming back into to the United States for a long time I would not get randomly checked or anything like that they just let us go by and I made a few

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somewhere you know with an abundant amount of cannabis right and right after that post each time I came back into the United States they send me into secondary for a search and I started asking like hey um been traveling for x amount of years now every I've noticed that the last four times that I've come back from another country you guys are randomly you know checking my bags now what's the deal in my red-flagged what's going on with my passport well you know where I'm not really allowed to tell you this but I mean have you been what kind of postings have you made on your social networks really yeah and I said okay say no more and I already knew what it was because I had put like you know a post with like four five six pounds in it what is 5 pounds of weed even look like it's a lot of light that's like

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I'm pillows filled with yeah so you know right then and there I knew you know from that reaction that he had that anybody with any sort of that's involved in entertainment music athlete you know whatever actor/actress they're watching all of our shit all for sure they're listening and they're watching so that's the Someone Like You who's been at the Forefront of pushing cannabis legalization and always talked about it openly flagrantly even when it was a schedule one substance so yeah everywhere you know yeah did you get a medical card well here the the year that it was available first year it was available was that like 95 or something 94 yeah they got my from from dr. Idleman he was like one of the dr. otteman hooked me up to yeah all right where I don't been Brothers All right a lot of us are used to go to him even when it was way more expensive because I'm like the as an OG yeah hey bro-heem like he told me he goes my God because because

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I lost track of him for a minute you know and when I went back to get a renewal some years back and he's Louis you've been with me a long time I mean is it what it looks like is that your patient number four whoa number four on his first because he keeps a list of all his patients I guess you know and apparently I was number four yeah even though there's doctors out here out always goes travel see him in Hollywood just had to respect yeah and he always had these he had like OG Stoners in the waiting room oh yes people that were just like barely holding on to reality oh yeah he had a he had all sorts he had the hippies he had the new you know new Jen's hip-hop people like vitamin drips and shit to all kinds of weird stuff in his office yeah he would yeah he would try to sell you on some some different technology anytime you can do this will help you stop smoking cigarettes well I don't smoke cigarettes yeah I had like a thing they put on your ear looks cool thing the electrode yeah they gave

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the Red Band it didn't work yeah you know you got to try something right yeah it was like a battery-powered thing right give a little charge here that somehow no supposed to stop you from smoking cigarettes like yeah I didn't get I didn't smoke cigarettes so let's look at little smoke cigarettes you ever get you Long's checked out from all those years weed smoking yeah I mean I you know I get physicals and stuff like that and you know occasionally I'll have my lungs checked and they tell me they're great isn't that amazing it's crazy you know because I think if you keep active you know like you train and and and a lot of us trained now I go this generation they're not like lazy Stoners in don't just yeah sit back and do nothing there still are those but you know I don't think it has the same carcinogens is you know people expected you know like cigarette it doesn't and so you know you might look at someone's lungs who smoke cigarettes and you might see something they're like hey you need to you know slow

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fuck down over here but in every time that I've had my lungs checked or whatever for whatever it whether I've you know gotten sick or whatever they're always telling me lungs are in good shape and it's a funny thing because you know in thinking 1987 you know I was 17 and I was gang banging I got shot and you know that I got hit by a 22 and it as hollow points do it it it broke into three three pieces the hollow point and one of them prompt punctured my lung on my left side and you know they were telling me well you know do you smoke now I don't really smoke because I didn't smoke cigarettes I smoked weed but I wasn't going to divulge that at the time I was 17 and you know and they said well you know well that's good because you'll never smoke again like you did they punctured your

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long and blah blah blah they thought I was in have to work off one lung but in the three days you know they were able to get the blood out of the lung and I was able to get it back you know through the exercises they told me you know to get it back to its regular size and I've never had a problem since then knock on door take the piece of metal out no I still got the three pieces that's like when I go do my physicals and they do the you know the MRI the MRIs and x-rays and all that the doctors you know sometimes they forget because they see so many patients this mr. freeze these appeared to be bullet fragments with what is that well you just said it dr. bullet fragment you've seen him a dozen times you know and yeah I was very lucky I was very lucky because you know punctured my lung and then two of the pieces one was by the heart one was by my spine but I was at Martin Luther King Hospital in Linwood and we call that

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Place killer king because you go in there for something small and end up dying or come out you know gimped out or something so you know I wasn't going to allow them to try and get to those bullets or those fragments so open you up yeah not at all because you know they didn't have a great success rate what kind of lung exercise they give you the pumpkin ones but they give you this breathing apparatus that has like a ball in it right and it has two lines and you know the it's the first line you're trying to they're telling you every day for 5 minutes 10 minutes to blow that you know not all in one shot but like to keep practicing getting the ball up there and that will in helped inflate the lung and get it back so I had to do that for probably like three weeks and you know the puncture wound it healed itself pretty much and and the pieces are still in your lung not in the lung no it's it went past a long it did shot past the long soul

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no it's got a piece up here and one off to the side in the back well when it's really cold due to the the the nerve damage I'll get like stinging like you know like when your when your hand falls asleep the little needles the yeah I'll get that here and then then back here where it entered they had to they had to cut right in between a rib here to stick the tube in to put the the hose into the lung to get the blood out of the lung damn yeah as you know I was living crazy before I got into the music the music saved my life pretty much really yeah how long were you going begging for for some years you know I started I started young I was probably 13 years old whoa gang banging and and I got out of it probably I didn't necessarily get out but I changed up what I was doing because you don't ever really get out per se unless they jump you out

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and you know I was too into it to to be jumped out like that you know what I mean that wasn't something I was going to do because you know for as negative as it was it taught me a lot so my boys did I you know ran with they understood I was trying to do something different you know I made a choice to try the music and and leave that shit alone because there was no way that you do both he if you do both you see the results of that what's happening today with a lot of cats you know what I mean if they try to ride the line be professional and being the music but they're still kind of in this world over here and when it bleeds in one bleeds into the other it you know it fucks everything up you know and so I chose you know I was going to do music and just talk about those life experiences and whatnot that was probably at 18 that I started taking on the music and

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that's that's where it went you know like when you said you learned a lot from it like what did you learn from it well you know your street you know there's there's common sense and then there's Common Sense on the streets and then there's being aware and looking out and you know not being a doormat and just it's a whole different type of schooling when your gang banging you know that's the way you carry yourself the way you communicate with someone and know whether they're disrespecting you or not and how you deal with that disrespect which is you know a whole different world in the gangbang shit but it's it's a different kind of education you know I wouldn't I wouldn't take it back some of the things I would you know I definitely regret it while I was doing it for sure but it made me see things from from a different perspective you know and why you know things are the way they are in gangs and stuff like that from lack of opportunities

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you know for these kids to be doing something you know because not everybody's good at sports you know but there has to be other opportunities of it other than that to get kids interested in doing something else because falling into the gangs it's easy if you don't have a good home life at home

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the guys on the street are your second family and they eventually become your first family you know what I mean and if you don't have a father figure at home one of the guys in the gang you know becomes your Mentor he could become like the guy you look up to as like your father figure you know there's that and then you know again there's not enough programs out there to keep people into doing something different than falling into that and then sometimes you know it just it's a matter of you know you growing up in this neighborhood if you have to walk down that street and they approach you and say you live in this neighborhood you got to be with us if you don't we're going to make it hard for you so there's that peer pressure and then there's the Legacy shit like so if my father was a gangster in this gang and he still lives in this neighborhood pressures on for me eventually to take up her father left off mmm you know and it's all those things

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some people just start Thrill Seekers and they choose it and I've nothing you know in common with none of that they just choose it for some people to it so appealing to have somewhere that you belong right it and that's the thing because if you don't feel like you belong in your school or you don't belong with your in your family and and that that she can totally take hold and you end up there you know fortunately I had good friends they weren't gangbangers you know that they had talent for music which is mugs and sin and sends brother mellow you know they were you know I did music as a hobby you know before I got in the gangs and they got me back into the music they because they recognized something in me and said hey we want you to come back where we got these opportunities over here come join us did you always have that style no I didn't when did you develop that once we started working on our Cypress Hill demos

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mugs came to me and said hey man you got to do something got do something different otherwise you're going to write for sin because sin had a good voice his shit was locked in and my voice I was rapping in a voice similar to the one I'm talking and although the Rhymes were good it didn't cut through on the style icon you know on the Beats it just sounded like you know some regular shit so you know I don't want to be someone's writer you know I wanted to write for myself so you know there was a guy that we used to listen to coming up was named as RAM LZ he was on this record called wild style and he was in the movie use this rapper who is very obscure but he was an artist to you know like a graffiti artist but then also an artist artist you know but he was also a rapper and what he would do is he'd wrap in a regular style like his talking voice this is the brother they call the ram Ali had a deep voice like that and then he would flip

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right in the middle take it uptown to Cypress Hill with the Shotgun by all of us like that and you know we were always freaking out on that he had two Styles so I tried throwing my voice in that sort of similar style and it ended up sticking I didn't really like I didn't think anybody was going to like it I thought they were gonna do that get the fuck out of here with that but they ended up liking it and I think the first song that came about in that style was the song real estate off our first album It's you know that was where I tried it the first time they liked it so then kill a man came next and I try that song in that style than hand on the pump and it just became a flow after that and I really did not feel it at first I was like fuck I can't believe they got me rapping in this voice right and it it took it took a minute to get used to that you know like doing it live because you know I

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attendance that we as rappers you know that don't know because there's no school for this unless you have somebody who's done it and they teach you okay this is what the get down is and we didn't have that really it was all Hands On Learning you know for the first few years man I was trying to do the voice and I'd end up you know getting over hyped because the crowd is hype and I start yelling the versus instead of like wrapping them like on the record I'd throw my voice out my voice would get scratchy I'd be sounding like Busta Rhymes and shit you know everything and it took me five years to actually harness how to actually do the shows with this voice and I had to go to this opera singer coach really that name was something Elizabeth Sabine or something like that she trained a lot of folks but she her shit was like to teach you the operatic way of singing which is from the diaphragm tighten the stomach take little breaths but those little breaths make your lungs expand you know a

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and it's less projection from your throat and more from the bottom and she taught me that technique and I never went horse again after that I like with you know people often compliment me on you know sounding so close to how the records are there's once in a while where I might get excited and start saying it louder than it might be but I'm always sort of right there and I got it you know I got to give all props to her because if she hadn't showed me that technique I'd probably still be yelling and screaming my shit out walking up my voice you know that brings up an interesting point is this her she's Yahweh let me hear it called we can't play this on YouTube will get kicked off you two and she was and she was an opera singer at one time wow but she went on to teach people the technique no kidding man

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that is wild see because if you try to keep your breath and and sustain a long note like that from your chest you won't sustain that note long enough but if you tighten up doing it from your diaphragm yeah if you tighten up almost it's almost like if you're gonna take a shit instead of from the throat that makes sense yeah you know like it it allows you to it allows your lungs to expand while you're breathing mmm through from your diaphragm so that's what she taught a lot of singers and it's a another method is to cheat the word like pronounce it you know like you're kind of like it's like what these Mumble rappers do when they pronounce the word and they kind of Mumble it and they sort of cheated you know what the word is but they didn't pronounce it all the way right so so in other words if she's going to you were going to sing the line

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come here come with me it's so it sounds a little bit cleaner you'd say gum with me but in the way you would say it is more with the G but it's so tucked in that you here come with me and it's just a cheating way of saying it to get the line a little bit cleaner and fucking you know in the breath and she taught me all that shit and it worked for rap I didn't know if it would because I mean it was it's the she primarily taught singers I've probably the first rapper that she taught this technique to and its stock mad you find her one of one of my friends had heard of her you know because I mean in the in the industry we you know become friends with other you know your peers and stuff like that and you know I knew a couple singers and they they were you know noting my problem is to you know screaming my verses and coming back with the

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raspy voice so they were like here why don't you try this person right here

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this person taught or gave this technique to so and so and it was another singer I can't remember but I thought well you know what have I got to lose I mean if it doesn't work it doesn't work but maybe I learned something from it that I could use somewhere else right and fuck she taught me the warmup she taught me you know the certain words that you can cheat to you know for for certain breath control purposes because the way you pronounce certain things you know sort of add to that and just the the tightening of the diaphragm my like if I hadn't learned that it would have took me a lot longer to do the shows the way that I can do him now so do you warm up before shows I don't necessarily need to like from the first song on my voice like gets in like the first few bars it warms up right then and there and it's not really like singing where I got a sustained notes and stuff like that so I don't have to do those same kind of warm ups if I was

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sing some shit yes I would definitely have to get my you know get the pitch right and the throat warmed up to to do those different you know melodies or whatever the hell but fortunately I don't think you know the whole rap world is always been fascinating to me like how someone gets in like how do you get started are there open mics like what yeah back in the day man there's someone had to be the guy endorsing you you know like sand to you know these guys over here a man listen to this B's artist right or this artist right here they're the new shit they're going to be the one and then you would have to do a couple showcases and stuff like that and you know win some people over I mean we definitely did our share of showcases in the beginning but we were getting passed on left and right because you know people thought you know what are they talking about with this cannabis shit and we and we didn't sound like a West Coast group

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you know because we're trying to sell our shit to West Coast labels here and they did not get us it wasn't until you know mugs had you know he had previously been in a group called 73 and he had worked with these guys called the rhyme Syndicate which was Iced Teas guy so he kind of you know he was the guy that people knew and then send dogs brother melamine nice eventually would get in the door and so people started hearing about us through you know through more mugs than mellow metal mellow didn't really do shit for us you know all all truth told but mugs you know they kept hearing about a group that he was forming outside of 73 which came to be Cypress Hill and so you know the guys that worked on him worked with him on the 73 records which is Jose Niccolo of of roughhouse Records you know he wanted to sign whatever mugs was doing and you know he eventually ended up

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sinus and they had a distribution deal with with Sony Music so you know we you know put out our records to roughhouse Columbia or roughhouse Sony something like that and that's how we got put on you know and and again it had to be word of mouth because if nobody heard you heard of you you had to have some really fucking Dope music for them to even like consider you if you didn't have like someone back in you it was tough you know you had to have someone come speak on your behalf and say hey these guys are the new shit and and fortunately for us once we put out our snippet tape like when Sony put out our snippet tape guys like EPMD right and they were one of our favorite groups in the world man over the top five for Cypress Oil has you know Public Enemy Beastie Boys EPMD ppmd yeah fuck they were the shit and those were the guys that took our snippet tape and they were showing our snip

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tape to other rappers like a guys look at these new fucking guys because you know bust a rhyme told me this story yo II yo son are just shit from EPMD way back in the day and they was playing it for Public Enemy and I just happen to be in the room and what and you know Ice Cube when we met him for the first time you know and we had our ups and downs with him but he's one of my homies he told me yeah man the first time I heard y'all was through EPMD that we was on tour was doing the show and they came in which all taping that's how I heard of y'all and you know that they were like our first street team man fucking DVD of the our faith our favorite one of our top three favorite groups was out there like with our snippet tape telling people a these guys are the new shit and so together they do they do stuff occasionally but I think they do more work you know individually now I know Erick Sermon is putting out a record right now he's just promoting it on on

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some radio show and I mean those guys still active stay active I mean he's a producer so he's always making music but as a rapper you know I don't put out as much stuff as they used to but yeah they're still active you know who I miss Kool G Rap Kool G Rap I still must out a a lot of guys don't have a style if he doesn't you know if he had never come out again so many people were influenced by him yeah bad motherfucker lot of people forgot about him lot of people forgot about him and he was one of the baddest dudes I've been a lot of people you know what talk about Big Daddy Kane & Rakim chore but you couldn't talk about them without talking about Kool G Rap because he was like one of those guys like spitting mad versus men like his bar work was incredible you know he was incredible I still listen to that song cock-blocking yeah every now and then I'll throw that on and I gotta tell you you know like if you hear songs that he does today he is still fucking current like his

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he's still got that style that that cuts through like you know some of the older artists they sort of lose the style that people love and they don't know how to transition into you know what their style would be right now you know like updating whatever that style is you know a lot of a lot of the older artists had troubles doing that you know but my man Kool G Rap not a fucking Street Blues Bill he's still ill yeah it was fantastic yeah yeah I always got confused why he didn't get bigger I didn't get it looks like he's got so good you know I think it was it was just the wave that came after him you know it's like he was such an underground force in if you're underground force you know you had to make a conscious decision whether okay

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I'm going to go mate if I go mainstream I'm going to lose these hardcore fans I might gain you know these mainstream fans but how long are they going to stay with me as opposed to these core fans that you know that there but with his style he couldn't just keep them because like I thought he could a lot of guys kept them bright you want to know something I think it was due to you know the record company not wanting to take the chance because as an artist you want everybody to hear your shit right you know for us we didn't play those games we said fuck it you know if we felt it was the right look for us we were going to take it you know no matter what anybody thought you know and again you face scrutiny for shit like that but in the end you know if you didn't play yourself people remember that you know and we said fuck it we're going to take our music mainstream even though that was not our intent you know we always meant ourselves to be a more

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around group but insane in the brain didn't allow that it propelled us you know so we're like okay well we're going to take our underground asses up into this mainstream and show them how we do it and it it kicked the door open for a lot of other underground acts to go into the mainstream and we proved that if you do it right and if you stay on your game and if you keep working and stay present and put out quality music that you can sustain those those mainstream fans that you gain right there and the core yeah you guys sustained so well that people covered your shit yeah like rage that was awesome she when they covered pistol grip pump on my left at all times holy shit what one of my favorite bands still Orochi yelling yeah that that shit was awesome I mean he took a totally different take on it but like a cover but it was a cover but it was his take yeah it was badass it was one of my favorite smells

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you know and there was an honor to me because you know like I was really good friends with them to begin with I saw them come out the gate before they exploded and became Rage Against the Machine and so for them to cover one of our songs were like man fuck yeah you know because they they helped us get better you know there's a lot of groups that we look to it for influence even if they were doing different style of music like Public Enemy was an influence to us Rage Against the Machine was an inspiration to us to like push the envelope a little bit more on what we were doing not necessarily like how they were because they had their own sound just like we had our own sound and so they made us push you know in groups like that made us better so when we heard this guy fucking doing or this band doing the cover and then they asked us to come play this song with them which would be their last night as Rage Against the Machine for a long time this was like their last show right here wow we got to do that with them that must have been amazing and I was

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a dad hat before Dad hats were cool I will not wear one right now ever I know what I was thinking of the fuck it that's hilarious that's hilarious no it was a fun show man I went into the mosh pit but Israel for that song before they called us up for that song for most of their said I was in the mosh pit and there was you USC Frontline moment down their record shop in the mosh pit I was in there with him they were protected me I was like oh shit be really open up the Gap that we're Record Shop together it was awesome this is a video of Dana White in a mosh pit once I don't know what the fuck he was thinking he must have been drunk he jumped in the mosh pit like years ago these big dude though he's a big dude he is jumping around their moshing around yeah I did it a girl got killed in a mosh pit once man it's crazy man I used to go into a lot of different mosh pits there he's in the rage Mosh Pit yeah the rain most of it is safe but every now and then you're running

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dickhead I'll tell you man that the craziest mosh pits are you know that I saw well the craziest mosh pits I've gotten into there was a Limp Biscuit mosh pit that was crazy and but the craziest was was the rage Mosh Pit but the ones that I seen from outside of it not being in it that were crazy was there was a Soundgarden mosh pit that I think guard yeah at Lollapalooza early on it was when they had badmotorfinger out oh man that fucking Mosh Pit was like a Whirlpool of chaos bro I was loving it and I was on mushrooms watching this shit so fucking amazing and then and then it's layer Mosh Pit man they're fucking shit is brutal yeah that sounds like they just a pace that of Slayer it's crazy but I got to tell you since joining profits of rage and us you know when we tour Europe and stuff like that and we do a combination of you know Rage Against the Machine songs

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Public Enemy in Cypress Hill along with our own material the mosh pits are fucking crazy but you know there was one one one thing that I saw that was not brutal but it was cool as fuck and it was in I think I believe it was Sweden or Switzerland but they're you know out of like the 60 70 thousand people that were out there there was like maybe 5,000 concentrated people who sat down on their ass right and we're like the fuck are these people do it I don't know like are they protesting ourself fuck is going on right and what was crazy as you know you're not going to stop playing you just keep going so we start on I believe the song was grow real gorilla radio that we're playing at that point all of a sudden we see him start doing this the Rowan they were wrote it was like a viking row it was a fucking move it was a move that the crowd was doing so there's finally 5,000 people out of the

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30,000 that are sitting in you know like next to each other lines Rose you know just fucking of people rowing on beat dog it was the fucking Vikings man how crazy that dma just stuck with those people and that was just the little section of it man if you were to see from stage there was like it was spot like spotted groups and they sat down and they sat down and we're rowing so fucking crazy yeah have you ever seen the there was a they did a viking chant once at a soccer game crazy oh man it's wild because the whole fucking Arena did it and you feel it you like feel that shit like what you gotta think man when they they were going to war is back in the day and they'd rallied all their guys up just like that yeah I fuckin roll out a tune though this fucking boats gonna go sideways yeah you know I don't I don't know where that move comes from but it looks cool with

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cause fuck It's gotta be an old-school Viking thing yeah they probably do it when they get drunk yeah yeah I mean you know think about it you know they used to Conquest motherfucker so they're like fucking roll and throw it around imagine here like see if you can find that the Viking one at a soccer game because it's like I think it's not a World Cup or something like that but they like yeah yeah you hear it in the crowd he's like oh my God imagine hearing that shit over the one they're coming to get coming towards your village like grab the baby we're gonna live in the woods fuck you gotta get out of here yeah yeah they and those are big dudes yeah there it is oh

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look at that the whole tuned in together man they're all in sake look at the hand that's spooky yeah Matt is not a fuckers if somebody reignites them that'll never work take over the world has enough of them imagine that hard coming at you from my fucking crazy line of DNA you know a line of people that just were conquerors sturdy motherfuckers sturdy giant motherfuckers who did mushrooms yeah they would they would get blazed up mushroom their fucking heads into Oblivion and just cope / people go get them it's crazy man this is another one said another one so that's like their thing that I can clap

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I guess the NFL Vikings sort of adopted this recently they do it in their football game you have a look at that dork with the glasses put your fucking hands down man stop listen bro he's a viking but try to figure out you beat you stop that sorry look he's like who are you he will highlight get it he's a spiking so when you first start rapping like you wrap them with kids in your neighborhood are you like aspiring to be a rapper and right and shit down and trying things on your friends like how do you get started well the way that I started I was right and you know like poetry first really yeah what kind of poetry just like you know like Hood stuff you know just stuff that rhymed but like just sort of writing it down like it was it was almost like writing raps but it just you know it's without saying it right because you read it and shit like that whatever but I would just write poetry about you know everyday shit

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you know mean nothing you know it wasn't like doing like the I don't know if there's like categories of poetry but it you know it was just stuff that would happen from day to day you know and I had a knack for writing I realize that now is wanted to be a journalist that's you know what real the thing that I thought I was going to be at school right do you right now I was for a while but I looked at him stuff just again everyday stuff or you know I'd like randomly pick something to write about so if it was can't about the Cannabis industry I'd write something about that if it was about the music industry I'd write something about that like I every now and then I would there was a back in the early 2000s there was a magazine called industry Insider magazine and occasionally I would write articles for that I wasn't really that great because you know I was so spotty in school that you know that my you know it

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needed work you know but they left it raw the way that that I would put it out there and people got my point now that was cool but I looked at it in the way that the the music that I've done in a lot of the songs serve as a certain form of Journalism journalism for me you know like you know bringing up certain issues that people don't necessarily hear like throw your set in the air as a song on temples boom and it's a song about how you would get the you know in inducted into a gank how you get put into a gang how you fall into it and some people might think you know by hearing it that it was glorifying and praising it but it wasn't it was basically this is how it is this is so you know the signs to look for if your kids are you know fucking around with the wrong people you know and that's you know I took it like okay you know maybe I'm not a journalist like I intended to be but this is my way of it

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or I can Enlighten people with certain things and you know like anything somebody's going to read something or hear something and maybe misinterpret what you say but you know it's all about who's listening and who's reading and who's watching and stuff like that and their interpretation of it and some get it some don't and that's just the nature of it but like most people get it and I've I've come across people that have come to me and come and said hey man your your songs on Temple of Boom man you know they help to get me through these times or you these songs raise me they taught me this this and that that's awesome and to me you know that that's that's the impact right there that's the shit yeah means more than anything right because I'm sure you remember songs that got you through right oh yeah for sure you know there was songs from KRS one in public enemy that you know got me through and fired me up you know and inspired and stuff like that are has ones another one people forget about man I'll

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my car just going whoop that's the sound of the police yeah I mean he taught he taught me how to be a bullhorn you know I mean like tell you know like yeah tell the truth you know you're burned out tell get the word out and and and not be fearful of what might happen because he could have been one of the biggest stars in hip-hop he chose not to be he chose to be a voice and sometimes in being that voice you know you get objects put in front of you and certain opportunities don't you know get put on your table because he says some great shit man you talkin about getting mad at the president it's like being mad at the manager at McDonald's yeah you know for the way the corporation's being run yeah it's it's he he is very insightful in the shit that he says and he is very unafraid to State it in state his opinion if you to get like people coming up to you when they first started coming up to you telling you that your music got them through things

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that it means so much to them when I first started happening that must have been surreal you know yeah it could because as an artist as especially as a young artist you that's not something you think about well these songs are gonna well it depends on the artist you are right guys hit how old were you like 23 or something like that hold of you and that was like we released in 91 and it really started going for us in 92 so I was 22 you're a kid he had so crazy there goes the baby fro wow wow look at the baby fro yeah but I mean think about that man that is so crazy for you to go from the guy who yo MTV Raps yeah who remembers that I did a bungee jump at this spring break with Treach from Naughty by Nature was that the one that was in Cancun no that was Daytona Beach right okay when TV was still when MTV was still allowed over there was back when MTV had music yeah when they had music format

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empty wisdom MTV was music videos yeah good luck finding a fucking music video now with a guess they still had to go to YouTube yeah exactly yeah wow that's wild what was it like when it first started popping off and you were 22 years old was it did it feel real it was a it was a crazy thing because it's not something that I had ever envisioned happening you know I didn't think that you know the music would blow up like that you know we were doing it to obviously try and make a name for ourselves and make music to people like butt-fuck we didn't see that coming at all especially with insane in the brain when they told me when like when kill a man started going it was like surreal because you know we didn't think that song would take just because it you know of of the chorus itself you know fuck what the song is about that you know we knew that the chorus was you know what they were going to hear more than anything

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and so you know we we thought that we're going to have a good underground album we didn't realize it'd blow up we didn't think they were going to put kill a man in the juice movie yeah and that would blow that song up even more so than it was it was getting because we had released funky feel ones first and it was a double a-side single funky feel when he killed a man on the other a side which means at that time the DJ's had the option of which song they wanted to go whereas most of the time yet a side b side in the a side is most definitely the one that the record company wants you to push we gave it a double a-side because we thought maybe the DJ's would like kill a man more they went with funky feel when the record company because they figured it was be easier to Market mmm right and then the DJ started flipping the record course and we started getting traction behind that our record was out like six months had dropped off the chart and they flip the record our shit slowly starts to go

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back up the chart we got back on the chart and started climbing and we were getting a whole lot of mixed show play and then we start doing a lot of promotional shows that being one of them and it started going and kill a man started getting us going and I mean we toured for probably a year and a half like a lot of just a lot of promotional shows looking not getting paid you know just you know Sony having us out there promoting the record and by the time you know our record got back back up into the middle of the charts I mean it was still Rising but in they saw that they're like we got to get them off the road and making a new record so that's when we got out there with black Sunday and with black Sunday and insane coming out again that's not a song I thought would blow up when they've chose that for the single I'm like all right there's better songs but fuck it that's the one okay so it comes out boom it explodes

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now we have our black Sunday charting at number one coming in and ours our first album had come all the way from the bottom to hit number five so we had to two albums in the top 10 to hunt top 10 of the 200 songs you know on the chart which no one had ever done in hip-hop before we had one in five slot and you know fuck we definitely didn't think that was going to happen I mean you know it was all a surprise and it went from one minute you could go to a mall and be you know unassuming and nobody even knows who the fuck you are and you know you're getting about your day to now you go to the mall and whole fucking mall is swarming on you like fucking you're like you know Paul McCartney or something it was the craziest shit they would ask us to leave the malls like really yeah like we used to I used to go to this one called the Montebello it was in Montebello I can't remember what the name

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the mall was but it was in Montebello the only one down there at the time and we knew everybody there you know as we're coming up because that's where we'd go shop so you know you make friends and people in the shop and stuff like that and when we come back off the tour this time and go try to go to that mall you know one of our friends fucked up in water Cypress Hill jacket and that's like a fucking billboard when you're standing next to one of us right so before you know it boom we get swooped in and you know some pretty cell phone to yeah in the mall security of the hey man you know I know it's fucked up but you guys gotta go really like yeah man it's a commotion you guys gotta go they're telling me I'm like they think someone's gonna fight I'm like all right I never went back to that mall after that wow all right cool because you know what I didn't want to cause them problems too it was now it was tough to go somewhere

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that time and not get you know swarmed not get swarmed yeah it was it was it was quite quite a an experienced man like you know because you only ever hear about it till it happens and you might you know if you have friends in the industry and it's happening for them you might see it in directly you know like through that through their shit and you know we had friends in the business you know Frid Kid Frost was one of my friends before we got out there and is he still around yeah yeah he still does stuff you know I don't know if he's putting out so much new music these days but he's still here and there he's doing some of the Cannabis industry stuff too because he's a big connoisseur I got to tell you my man smokes used to smoke like a train man like him and I would trade Joints off left and right but you know for a time you know I would go hang with him and his gigs I'd be his bodyguard because I was the one that was not afraid to carry the hammer

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meaning the Magnum in my waistline you know I was we were Cowboys man we were always armed at that time from 89 to probably 97 or 98 we were holding pistols on our hip like cowboys and you know he knew that so yes but he would ask me to go to the gigs you know tell you know double as his bodyguard I wasn't his bodyguard but I was his bodyguard you know what I mean right right and I'd see the way he handled it and I'd see the way you know people crowded around him and and you know I saw I learned how to deal with it watching you know how he would do it in a negative way or a positive way because you know he was sometimes embrace the crowd sometimes it's like fuck off me you know like a lot of a lot of artists are you know and that's sort of prepared me so that when you know we got an RO Lane you know I knew how to sort of deal with it

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you know was always courteous and cool and respectful and never the guy that is like now man fuck that get out of here because I see it in some of my homies were like that you know and I didn't I hated the feeling that when the fans would walk away just totally fucking wind out of their sails and shit like that now they don't like this artist ever again you know and I saw that and I never wanted to have anyone walk away with that experience always embraced it even when it was a pain in the ass you know so when was your first time ever getting on stage do you remember first time that there used to be a club called radio Tron here in the 80s right and it was the hip-hop club if you were into hip-hop any aspect of it whether it was rapping breakdancing popping graffitiing all the people went to that spot and it was hard to get in there and it was hard to get on the mic no less but we had a homie who was like a legendary DJ out here when when

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the AM station was playing hip-hop is name was Tony G and he was the leader of the Mixmaster show the head Mixmaster and he had a residency at the radio Tron so we grew up with one of his one of his boys that was his like his Protege so they invited us over and myself and send got on the mic and mellow and I froze the fuck I tell you I froze up I forgot every rap I ever wrote or ever memorized I was like is it would be one of the two times that I would freeze in my life and it was that was the first time I was on stage and all those people looking at me waiting expecting something I totally blew it you know and I told myself okay I gotta get over the nervousness and then the other thing we were doing like was a it was like

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they wanted rappers to do this PSA for some bullshit right and they wanted us to write this rap and put all this certain information in there and I had it I had it memorized I had it locked in the minute they said go and they were filming it you know this is film it I kept fucking it up horribly like I didn't even get through it I thought was like I'm sorry I can't do it fuck I'm you know I was getting mad at myself to that fuck what's wrong with me I know I wasn't maybe that was a problem that was probably the problem you know cuz when I'm not high as when shit like this happens right so those are the two times that I totally fucked it up and I liked from the last time I said I'll never do that again I'm going to be prepared and I'm going to get through the anxiety or whatever it is and so those were the first two times but the first time on stage where I actually pulled it off was probably one of our first showcases it was that a it was

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this place off of the 10 and it wasn't a show case it was actually a competition you know I used to do competitions it's clubs like fucking what they call it a forgot what they used to call him but you know different bands with it was like a battle of the bands right so we went in and I'm coming off of that horrible fucking deal that had just happened you know maybe a month or two before and I totally got over it and we were performing real estate you know in this showcase and we lost but we made the biggest impression there because the song you know we performed it like you know the way that it's supposed to be and then at the end send dog jumped on the big judge's table and he you know he grabbed his balls right in front of the fucking female judge and then as he jumps off the table it breaks in half into her lap oh no and everybody loved it we lost to these dudes who are like knew it

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addition want to be as we call them Tootsie Rolls but we don't remember when they won but in reality we won because that's what everybody was talking about us at the end you know like how raw that was and after that show I realized you know this is this is how I'm supposed to do it and I seen KRS one do a show one time where the sound went out he didn't have a stage that he was on a couple of tables that were put together and he just got up in front of the whole club no microphone no music and just started rapping his verses and people were rapping ride along with him not giving a fuck that the sound turned off but the fact that he just continued to do the show and that right there taught me a lot about how you control shit on stage yeah sometimes on when things go wrong it's a great opportunity oh yeah yeah did a show at the Improv last month like maybe my last month or the month

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or the power went out and they're like what do you want to do said fuck it let's do a show I could yell yeah so we just did with everybody just did the show with no microphone but that was a you know the improvs a small room it's only a hundred eighty people yeah I mean that that that place was you know a small place too but I mean it goes to show you man like if you got it you gotta do it yeah it's probably better sometimes because it's Unique yeah because people will remember you know the other way yeah you know it probably would have been a great show and people would be talking about it but they'll remember the fact that you got over that adversity and were able to still deliver and that's the shit that KRS one did for me he showed me through the adversity he kept doing the show in the people were still with them and I thought okay one day that's going to be me and I'm going to do what the teacher does and you know that that that had been one of the most important things that I learned you know and watching others

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do shows and stuff like that and what I would do when I got up there you know and I applied all those those you know lessons men you know and it's made me who I am as my part of Cypress Hill and when I do my solo stuff and when I'm with profits of Rage that you know that got me prepped for everything that I do now in terms of music now how did you well it's good to you for you to tell people that you had a real hard time your first time performing oh yeah there's probably a lot of people out there they go never say anxious yeah a lot of people never say that the lie you know but that's I think that's important there's nothing wrong with those feelings man it's good though you got to learn man you're a kid it's like you liking it too to like

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College stars that are coming into the professional sports now basketball players for instance you get this number one draft pick he comes to a team and everybody has these high expectations no one knows that this kid you know some people own the space like LeBron and Kobe and Kevin Garnett who came straight from high school and they own the space the minute they got in it I mean Colby had to work yeah it wasn't the greatest you know when he when he started he had to work to get to where he was at and and a lot of these guys do some of them you know again they come in and they already got it you know like LeBron he was you know playing and groans met grown man's game right when he got into the league thrown into the fire but he was ready for that he got better and and learn the role in learned who he was as he's gone but he was one of those rare thing there are people that can just jump into it some people have to get better at it yeah

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and you know it's the same thing with music like you get thrown on on that big stage for the first time if you're not prepped for it you're going to definitely be nervous now you could either Embrace that and it'll it'll be your first show and you could do a good one or you could do a horrible one but either way can learn from that yeah and if you don't learn from it then the run is short if you learn from it you know you know you learn how to get better and sustain a longer career how did you learn how to get over the anxiety like your first show having a the first show suck like that what was it how did what was what did you learn like how did you how did you take classes did you read a book I mean you know what we did that that helped me was that we rehearsed a lot because for me it was like more remembering the songs it wasn't like the nerve to go out in front of people because we came from the breakdance and b-boy culture the popping and stuff like that so much of that is

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going against someone battling someone in front of a crowd and if you can be in front of a crowd doing that because that's vulnerable I mean you know because in a battle you could either win or you lose and if you lose you know obviously you can lose an embarrassing way or you lose in a close battle but either way people are sitting there watching you judging you either cheering you or booing you wouldn't you know any one of those so that helped me be able to get on stage and perform in front of people it for more from me it was more about knowing the songs making sure that I know him through the nervousness you know and is so for us we did a lot of rehearsals in the early days just so that those first shows that we did that we were locked in and we made an impression and you know when we did that and we saw the results of how people were reacting to our show it gave me more confidence so you know I

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I'd rehearsed the songs in my head you know when I wasn't around the other guys I'd be kicking the songs and I'd be or be on a treadmill working out saying the songs you know getting them in my head and just gave me the confidence that I know this fucking shit I go up there I'll rock this fucking thing I'm not going to forget it because that's always the problem for me it was never getting in front of people it was do I know my shit and now I know it in such a way that like you know it's second nature do I still get those nervous butterflies yeah for sure some shows depending who's watching who's on the side stage or how big the crowd is and what not yet I still get some of that but you know I do a quick meditation before I go out there you know just in my head real quick and then our band prayer and then that's that's the switch right there we go and we're ready and it but it took me a while to get to that you know because it takes work

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like anything if you're an athlete if you're a boxer you're only going to get better by boxing all the time training all the time not overtraining but making sure that you're in there putting in the work and it's the same thing when you're rocking stages you know a lot of us sometimes forget to go and put the time in and rehearse and you could see that when there's a sloppy show or someone's out of breath or they're not saying the whole line or they said the line wrong or they're changing up fragments of the song to make it easier for their performance and it doesn't necessarily fit that's when you know somebody ain't putting in the work but for us you know we always you know that was a part of the draw for Cypress that's how he won a lot of people over was the energy of our live show so but it took that the rehearsals men and I would tell any artist coming up right now man before you start doing your shows you because you may get a hit like that fast these days and you may

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all to go do that show now if you don't do that show right and you suck as good as that song is you're never going to sell tickets when they fucking say hey so-and-so is performing at the you know this place fuck that I'd rather just listen to the record he sucks alive hmm you know so the rehearse man rehearse and then after that hey take you know do what you will but those they fucking help man you know for your confidence on performing the song that's a wise thing to tell people man be up professionally a pro you can be a professional decide your professional put in that fucking work that work does give you confidence and it works with fighting it works with comedy I'm sure works with everything yeah man you got to be proficient proficient read D professional and official at the same time Prudential what is the meditation that you do just the self-awareness you know what I mean like the the circular breathing you know and concentrating on that

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and in the moment and then you know just letting that clear my head you know I mean just focus focusing on the breathing I mean that's what they tell you pretty much in any meditation to focus on the breathing and all these things can come through your head but if you keep on focusing on that you know everything sort of goes away and you're reset so you know I'll do that when when I feel maybe some sort of anxiety before going on if I don't feel that I don't necessarily do the meditation on we'll just do the prayer and that's sort of like you know sets it all in but yeah like some shows man I'll have to let go in a room and just sit there and you know do the breathing man and it helps people might think fuck as I going to do is going to reset your mind and give you some clarity mmm you know for me at least that's what it did was the biggest crowd you guys ever performed in front of

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I think the biggest was Woodstock 94 I think it was 93 94 and that was like three hundred and three hundred 80 some odd thousand people oh my God we've done some big ones like country yeah it's small European country we've done some like you know like at you know a hundred thousand people in hundred videos that Jamie oh my God I gotta see this that's fucking

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and that I just cut my hair right there I was like you know whoo oh my God see the little guy next to mugs mmm he was ar-ar-ar-ar-ar miniature knockout guy he knew Jiu-Jitsu Taekwondo Shotokan he trained with with my boy Kenji and he was like he was like our unofficial security oh that's hilarious because unassuming right yeah he's a little guy I mean he even did he even did a few MMA fights look at some years back so that fucking crowd that is insane I almost lost my shit right here because you know seeing three hundred and some odd thousand people jumping around to your shit God I know it could give you some equilibrium problems because it's the it looks like waves crashing into each other but it's that big I mean that's got to be one of the biggest concerts ever get anybody's ever performed in front of in North America for sure I mean in all of human history yeah I was one of

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biggest how the fuck me what how do you get it more than 380,000 people together yeah it's not easy that's probably happen a few times it's crazy I mean every band they had on this this particular bill was huge at the time you know so it was yeah it was it was pretty crazy trying to just get there we like some of us had to get in through boat some of us had to get in through helicopter why because there's too many because they had started parking on the roads like the old-school Woodstock and they jumped up the highways and stuff like that they parked like they pretty much shut this shit down and I went into helicopter and some of the other guys went into the bunk after that's when you know you're on top of the world a flying into a show in a fucking helicopter and I'll tell you the girl that's when you realize why you can never get away from the cops when they're in if I can see everything well that's a funny thing when you watch those dudes that are trying to escape from the cops on the ground and then you watch the cops the helicopter the spotlight just stays in the car

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entire time yeah look at that Ariel that's--yeah that's-- and that's-- just a piece of it right there and they had a rotating stage what are you doing you have to take a shit how long does it take to get from the front row to the back and take a shit how do we walked around in that shit right there and it was super muddy and crazy and people were like butt naked and with mud smeared all over there fucking bodies and it was like people went Primal I sort of got their legal right there they were have mudslide laureus oh man that looks awesome people made babies that day in their tent I'm sure they did I'll for sure they did I yeah she does a lot of people out there right now it was it was it was fucking crazy man I got to tell you there was there was people out there totally hippie doubt like straight-up butt-naked and that you know and there was a good portion of them I mean not not in terms of the whole concert of his a small percentage but like you seen just naked people walking around free out there was

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as a fuck we like like are we is this really happening shit man in and then the mud was so thick man it was the type where like if you walk through it with your shoes and your shoes weren't tight or you weren't wearing boots it was sucking the shoe right off of your foot it happened to me a number of times he'll and that show I jumped into the crowd because normally I would jump into the crowd and you know just be floating you know stage-dive style but I would still be doing the song right and on that particular show they took my shoes and socks I've got back on stage with no shoes and socks and you know about 15 years later you know I had one guy with once you come to the show and flicking have me sign it oh and then the other shoe some awesome chick had it and had me sign it wow later so if I caught up with both shoes about the socks didn't catch up with the sauce didn't catch

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it sucks but the shoes yet caught up with them that what do they have a limited amount of tickets for Woodstock I mean what the fuck do they do when you get that many people I think they probably started with the some sort of limit and became K and then it became chaos if you know like that something they couldn't handle I mean if you live there that shit to send that they weren't yourself I know they were pissed off they had a break for like fucking 25 years they had a break they sold a hundred and sixty-four thousand tickets but the crowd estimated size was 550,000 okay well shit I was too short 200,000 short my God yeah yeah because the rest Rush the gate you know that they took the fence and you know to drop down and they just fucking rolled and rolled on it I would imagine yeah it you know cause when it's an event that everybody wants to get to they're going to find a way to it and it's outside and it's outside and that those numbers man that's just Yuki can't stop that now know and it's you know it's it's a great part of their history because I mean

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that one was a good one where no one got hurt knows no crazy crazy shit happening like the next one after that I mean they had so what happens the next one well shit they had a bunch of women say that they had gotten raped or molested at at the at the one the following year and fires shit yeah and then there was fires it was a whole bunch of people lost their fucking mind with that one and that's a great bands to so you know it they don't do that anymore right which starts know that there's a summer they're doing it enough is what are you doing you fucking idiots move sell your house yeah can do something it's crazy though cause it's a fires holy shit man yeah had bonfires yeah I believe when Little Miss get more corn went on it was either Limp Biscuit or corn and the fire is just fucking started before pests to because they're charging so much for a water and like they couldn't they couldn't get to the bathrooms like you're asking like there's

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and have the facilities it up as well yeah they didn't have adequate facilities for what the fuck was popping to me you know you know a thousand is Christ look at the fucking what it looks like after it's over listen a thousand Andy Gump's for 500,000 people is not imagine you need like ten thousand he can ya imagine being the dude who gets in there after 5000 I mean look at taking a shit they totally took over the fucking the highway right there crazy they shut down the fucking highway they just park their cars they made yeah they made the highway department is crazy look at that yeah Lisa was kind of orderly let me know they just sort of sort of they shut down I'll tell you this though they weren't cold-blooded the the organizers because these guys had some fucking Moxie I'll tell you that a listen you know after every band was done with their set the expected you to leave right away because the next wave of bands

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coming and they were getting your spot so like if you had a dressing room once you're set was done you were expected to get the fuck out so you had a helicopter out of there if yeah it was best if you did because if you didn't take the ride when when it when you were supposed to you were getting stuck there they couldn't guarantee that they could give you the ride back to your shit after that you know because they had all the other bands to think of and they might not have room for you when they take the other band so it was like-- yeah get that fucking picture oh my God yeah oh my God yes that's a pack look it looks like Pac-Man my God that is like Pac-Man eating stayed right in saying that picture is insane yeah it was that that's that's the one I remember the most I mean we've done some huge gigs but like that one by far you know never have we played for another 500,000 you know I miss sound like one

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of people scream much like that Viking chant I mean we had a small nation right there yeah that's crazy oh legitimately like when you leave there and then you go do a regular gig afterwards does it feel weird yeah well it depends but yeah justing it does take some adjusting you know especially if the next gig isn't as hype as that you like we just came from Woodstock but fortunately the smaller gigs that we had after that you know in terms of plant festivals they were like you know in between thirty thousand seventy thousand a hundred thousand and we felt it that gave us such an experience that we can handle any fucking stage so it became easier for us to do festivals after that and the reaction that we would get at these festivals were smaller versions of what we did there you know and it was it was a great

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because we had we had been doing like a couple of European festivals before that so it's sort of prepared us for that but we didn't we didn't I mean the fucking numbers we were definitely not prepared for were like whoa what the fuck that's like that transcends reality yeah I mean listen we know that that's not our show they're not all there for us you know because it's a mixed bag right bunch of different artists and you're winning over people if anything you're they're playing for your base of people that might have come to see you but you're winning everybody else over if you're doing it right and for us it was like a victory because we saw you know half a million people up there jumping up and down to all our shit and they knew the words and they were singing with us and you know it was like a big Notch under the belt in a boost for our confidence knowing that we can get in front of anybody play with anyone

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and get that reaction I mean because after that you know we were getting booked on metal driven festivals and stuff where we're the only hip-hop on it but it's all straight up metal I mean wewe we're playing shows co-headlining under Metallica right and Metallica Cypress Hill biohazard Deftones Fear Factory and all that stuff you know what I mean and we'd be in that mix playing those festivals with those guys and with hip-hop music and you know the Boost did it gave us in the confidence it was like fuck that we can play with any of these motherfuckers it doesn't matter who it is in and we went to those metal Fest metal festivals with our hip hop in got metal reaction Mosh Pit stage Dives everything what you know and in it felt good to be able to hang up there with a Metallica I mean yeah what they do to a crowd is crazy but we realized that

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we were playing on the same venue go on before them we can in a festival form we can fuckin hang with anyone and and that's that pretty much put us over the top with doing festivals like yeah we're going to fucking rule this shit people are going to have two people are going to have to up their game when we're on that festival with them that's the way we took it I would imagine you couldn't sleep for days after that church the adrenaline was crazy I gotta tell you the adrenaline was crazy and you're in the helicopter leaving will you like what the fuck just happened yeah we were we were trippin out man I mean we were like totally in awe of the response that we got and the the you know the enormity of the fucking crowd man I mean it was fucking huge in to be a part of something that's at the I mean that's like something that no one there is ever going to forget we took it for granted that got to tell you when we fucking done they'll well they want you to do so OK we'll do Woodstock whatever and and when we got there that's when we saw

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just how fucking crazy it was I think this yet see how this is you your they steal your shoes yeah because yeah they're good they're gonna start coming watch out I have to hold my shirt forward so they don't get choked out and there goes there goes the first shoot is about to take that first one yeah what were you thinking when they were taking shoot like damn I was like oh fuck there goes one shoe there goes on white sock yeah there goes the other shoe so ridiculous and there is no fucking security that can stop 500,000 people save all that shit yeah you're at the mercy of the fans somebody's gonna grab from my sock pretty soon that is so wild in a steel and socks look at it still your pants yeah Hey listen you know they they they tried and they grabbed your dick now you know they tried to grab the weed in my pocket that sometimes you know when you're drilling is kicking you're not really thinking you know what's in my pocket and shit like that

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but yeah you know throughout the I had chicks trying to grab my shit for sure of course the sure yeah that was a little you know crazy for me you know but it is what it is if you're going to stand close yeah you know shit like this happens right yeah man I mean if you're gonna stage dive you gotta assume some weird shit is gonna happen yeah I mean for me you know people were mostly respectful you know but they would go through my pockets to see if I had weed and when what happened are your pockets yeah I did I had some I had like an ounce of weed and one at one show and I jumped in and I totally forgot I had it in my pocket boom if I can took my goddamn we hope you enjoyed that I bet they did absolutely did for their role in that joint this is be relied weed man I know they did right from California

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the real shit yeah California wheat to this day still holds up yeah I mean you got some good Colorado weed there's some good weed all over the country but also weed is just it's like okay okay other places yeah righto and California and then the rest is kind of Seattle's got real good weed Seattle actually blow your fucking mind they'll blow your mind yeah I gotta say Oregon they'll blow your mind people have stepped up their still behind California you know in terms of how much good weed there is here like I mean there's so much you know from north to south and in central Cal there's so many different strains that are fucking good right you go to other places and they have a few strains that are good but that's because they're still you know they're still trying to catch up in terms of knowledge and cultivation and stuff like that and and and how to make the strains that they have you know maximize the flavor and in the high and all that stuff

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some have caught up and some are still lagging a little bit behind but I got to tell you man when this last trip I just had to Vancouver I was just there for 420 and they had some shit that California boys would be like yo this is fire right here you know they had animal cookies that were really good wedding cake which is a strained it's you know popular here in Cali you know Thea the jungle boys and and burner and stuff like that when they when they were working together on Exotics and and they also had this this joint called Black Diamond and try Octane and all of them men I got to say all of them burn sweet they tasted good that did that white ash did people are looking for now you know people think you know when they see why - it's the purest newsflash even if it has a little bit of black ash it

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still you know there's still you know people clean flush their Roots you know what I mean it's just that some of the nutrients if you're using salts as your nutrients you know which most people are these days your Ash comes out white if you're using nutrients that are already pre-made like an advance nutrients and the others sometimes you know you might have a little bit of black ash because some of the components into those nutrients doesn't mean it's not clean it just looks prettier when it's white but anyway these guys their shit all white ash and The Taste was fucking beautiful in the high was definitely there and I got to say This Guy's in Vancouver man they have stepped it up well he been running weed through Vancouver for a long time Gypsy that was Adam scored his documentary he had the culture high and then before that there was another one the documented that was all about uncovering

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how much of Vancouver's entire economy is based on marijuana and if you pulled it out like when they talk about the union that's it the business mind getting high when if you pulled weed out of Vancouver you took it out of their economy their economy would essentially collapse yeah I mean it's responsible for so many people being wealthy up there and it's so it was now it's a hundred percent legal throughout the entire country yeah but back then in 2007 I was in that documentary that was 12 years ago it was just tolerated it was weirdly tolerate yeah we're wasn't legal but they didn't ever arrest anybody for it but there was a lot of gangsters out of Hell's Angels were involved a lot of dudes were selling weed and they had flashy Diamond color Droite covered watches and shit was a lot of that yeah yeah you know it's still sort of I mean you know Listen to Black markets always going to be a you know anywhere especially right now that the taxes are so high to buy cannabis and

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to grow it and all that stuff everything that involves it it's pretty expensive right now so they're encouraging organized crime right a certain way which was my point was you know when the corporation's come in that shit comes down and then the Black Market has a bigger problem at that point because in prices of cannabis will come down but you know it's always going to exist in you know we sort of went through the same thing when 215 came about here in California where it was you know cops didn't know what the fuck to do when they caught you with it they didn't want to do anything you know because they knew as well as we were this shit is eventually going to be legal in want to be wasting their time and putting people in jail for for cannabis because you know there's other people that need to be in jail for real for real crimes but yeah I think what's happening in Vancouver now is that now that it's legal

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yeah people are still making money and they're still you know they're still on top of the game but it's it's it's harder to make the money right now well at least but well maybe not for Canada because it's federally legal but you still gotta jump through a number of Hoops you know in terms of Regulation and fines and fees and shit like that to operate you know and they're a little bit different than ours obviously we're not ours isn't like Federal yet but I mean you know from what they were saying is that like you know in a few years all these companies will be making a whole lot of money right now they're making money but it's basically about survival getting past a certain time when all the all the legislation all the rules and all the regulations are finally set in place in they're not going to change from year to year like they like they have been so you know well Denver had it real weird for a while where they weren't allowed to use Banks yeah you know like us yeah

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no here Callie we can't use backs yeah what do they do with it so they can they use credit cards here they used to be able to yeah you can use credit cards but realistically it's if you're making money from from Cannabis in terms of fewer cultivator or your or whatever if you're a business entity in the Cannabis World they won't take your money if they know it's coming from the Cannabis cannabis culture right but you know in the last in the last two months they've you know Forbes just put out a story about that the federal government is going to Stout start allowing Banks to to allow banking in the Cannabis in the Cannabis not going anywhere they'd be crazy to not you just leaving money on the table even a whole lot of money on the table California considers plan to encourage marijuana banking yeah and that and that just came out yesterday you know the Forbes story came out like maybe last week or something but this is you know one of the

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of it is that you know in places like California that we had problems with banking yeah that is no longer going to exist so now if you needed to expand your business or something you can get a business loan now or you can actually put your money in the fucking bank you know whereas before you had to fucking buy some sort of Vault or some shit and keep it there and you know obviously that ain't safe because you got Pirates out there still to this day trying to figure out okay where do they keep their money because it's not Bank when I was in Colorado when it first became legal and they were having a real hard time they couldn't use credit cards and it was all cash and they just had spec ops guys everywhere bulletproof vest just covered with guns just ready to rock at any moment's notice and they were worried that they were going to get you know yeah someone was gonna try to take over the store and take all the money yeah I mean there's still issues that they got to worry about moving into the future in terms of Transport portation right you know

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because throughout throughout the history of doing any sort of business terms of products going from one side of the the nation to the other you know trucks get hijacked a lot yeah for electronics for any sort of goods so you know when you're transporting cannabis from state to state they're going to have to have that you know figured out too because there's you know people that are going to be trying to Jack those trucks yeah and hit that into the black market you know what else is weird that there's people that they post up on people's private land and start these gross these grow Setters put up a garden and People's Light like I've friend works on a ranch and in like Central California and they were doing this run they were checking Gates and check and fences or where the cattle are and they found like a fucking acre of wheat like what the fuck is this and there was some dudes there they had Campground set up and shit and yeah it's like they were just they were cartel dudes they just like set up a spy

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yeah find a spy on set up they don't know who fucking owns it and if they you know they get dropped off there apparently dude I think if I remember the story they got the guys and the guys basically explained how it worked that they get dropped off and they get you know they leave them with seeds and this and that and then new guys come in every couple weeks or a couple months and they live there yes watch the weed until it grows to the point where they can cultivate it then they move on after it's done yeah but they were all over the place oh yeah people find them in like state parks and forests and shit yeah liking that's why it happens mostly up north and Central count down here we don't really mean the way they Patrol the state parks is slightly different down here in the South they'll catch that shit yeah no that's why they did it at the ranch because it was to hone Ranch which is like to Tahoe 70,000 Acres yeah it's a huge place yes I got that I believe natives on that hat yeah that ranch right yeah you can find to this day these stones

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where they ground up acorns where they have like a little like a pivot like a hole where the ground it up I took pictures of it and shit it's pretty cool because you got to think like that's probably a thousand years old yeah someone who's probably grindin acorns in their thousand years a thousand years ago yeah I've never been up north to Humboldt I've never been up to that area Obed it's it's a it's Unique there's a lot of nice flavors up there if you're in the glass the lot of good glassblowers out there that's a long-standing we'd culture oh yeah I mean that shit is generational right there's like from the 70s yeah I heard about Humboldt yeah in I'll tell you man you know is quiet as is they've been in this cannabis culture you know you would think that that would be one place that's like celebrated and whatnot but I mean they still are coming up with you know incredible flavors down there you know in terms of you know breeding certain certain number

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certain strains in creating new strains in doing it and outside you know like yeah as they call sun-grown or or a greenhouse you know which is not something we do here in the south in the South we do Hydro it's you know endure because we don't have the same type of moisture and shit up well we don't have the space neither know the forest digit in in the moisture and you know we have we have insects that would eat those outdoor crops if they're not in a greenhouse you know what I mean like fruit worms and shit like that up there and you know up north after dark you know it gets cold so some of those those insects can't live in that that environment but in the South it doesn't get as cold as it does up there so they can live here so you know if you're going to do a greenhouse here you go it's got to be a greenhouse it can't just be outdoor exposed because they will get they will get fucked with for sure those photos that I've seen of that area is everything so

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fucking green it's crazy it's like Seattle almost yeah it's awesome man we were just there not too long ago playing a show up in Eureka I think I look at that guy in the middle of this Forest of we on a hillside no no you know it's not even a flat ground he's just he got it going yeah that looks like he's just in the woods yeah he just started growing it in the woods that's Chris well I bet it has a different feel to it right it's always out there with nature I mean you get strong too hippy too hippie-dippy but I would think that something that lives in nature with all this other trees that shit's communicating with those trees so yeah I would think so and you probably get more of like a natural feel for the weed yeah they're probably dear damn look at the weed plant like the fucking bushes Jesus Christ California black tail right there Columbia black tail it's big deer and is a big deer that part of the

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probably eating a wheat plant probably it's probably healthy as fuck I mean if he's eating the seeds which you know easy yeah probably fertilizing some of that shit out yeah for the longest time we used to have to get you know I'm one of the owners of on it and when we made hemp protein we have to buy our shift from Canada it was so stupid I was like this is so ridiculous if to buy hemp from another country yeah bring into this country stupid well that's going to change for yes we've got a change I mean for everything for clothing even building houses ever see that hempcrete that shit they make so Yap concrete yeah it's crazy lighter it's better it's got better insulation values it's harder to burn this is the type of shit that Jack Herer was trying to tell people in Emperor where no Emperor wears no clothes yeah it was all this stuff that we we use today hemp can be you know the alternative extra cost including plastic yeah biodegradable plastic all these people that are worried about plastic bottles and everything

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how bad they are for the environment Hamp bottles you could make plastic at a hemp and it would be biodegradable yeah it sounds like horse shit there's so many things that you could do with weed that it sounds like you're making things it sounds like you're making it up but it's actually it's actually a fact yeah and dude over the last like couple months I've been fucking around pretty heavily with CBD like every day about yeah I've been taking this is a it's a one in one it's 10 milligrams of CBD 10 milligrams of THC I take this that's that's the perfect fuck one I want to want in the afternoon whoo all day long all full of don't give a fuck juice just go we all need that come and awesome it's an interesting time yeah you know for someone who was you know used to have to hide it before yeah and you know that's the beauty of it now is that you don't have to hide it and people that used to you know you got people now that you never thought were smokers and you know now they're coming

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up and just being totally free with it and that's great man you know because that have laptop what the fuck is that him - be a cover but yeah that's pretty cool how could it be a cover of its you like the USB ports and everything that they have those like skin covers it could just be a look alike but it looks like it is why they should make it really shouldn't Miracle metaphor time it is I got to agree it is it is well listen brother you're a bad mother fucker I really appreciate you thank you brother forever for a long time so it's cool to get in here and we're going to hot boxes we good yeah we're going to get in that smallpox people been asking for you for a long time I got a pain and I say this you know in some of the some of the smoke boxes you know like it because it's the realest shit like we just had Mike Tyson in there you know and how weird is it the smoke weed with my time I was i've smoked with him before and and I've smoked with him on a couple separate occasions aside from there but one of the places that I smoked with him was at that fucking lie

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Machida Rashad Evans fight when we all left you know after the fight we were sort of getting to our cars and he ran into me and my partner Kenji and we were smoking a fat one right there and they'd be real how you doing that was like all right fuck ya champ we going and you know we always knew he smoked out what was crazy about this interview real quick that did I say it like because you ask me this in this interview like what did you do for the anxieties before like you know let's say we're going to go on stage or do the shit right so I asked him that similar question I said you know as artists as athletes will before we're going to go do our thing in front of a mass amount of people you get this nervous energy what did you do to you know deal with that and he said I used to get hypnotized before fights yeah you know and he was saying how he would the guys that work work with him would instill

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these certain words like calmness you know that would be a reoccurring word that they would do in the hypnotist you know in hypnotizing him before a fight so that he would always be calm in the fight and never fight desperate in always be in control of the situation no matter what happened and that's how he would you know get that nervous energy down and and and be able to fight with such Focus but the other interesting thing he said was that he never fought I mean he was smoking the whole time you know he's big we'd had since he was like 10 years old apparently but he said that he was smoking you know but not necessarily when he was training they would give him Pharmaceuticals when he was training you know shit that he wouldn't feel nothing but he didn't have Focus what kind of pharmaceuticals he said some of it was fentanyl some Percocet some fentanyl wasn't even around back well it's a form of it you know like whatever yeah I was an opiate that was whatever the fence and all of that time whatever I can

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member what he called it but there was two or three prescription drugs that they would give him and he said he he wouldn't feel nothing he felt good like there's no pain no nothing but the focus that he had was was not not there right he said that he smoked weed in one fight like he smoked weed before one particular fight and he used the wizard Mater to get through the urine test somehow he fucking he says it in the interview and you know he said that the fight that he had where he was smoked out was with Andrew golota he said he'd never had so much focus in a fight that it made him realize he should have been smoking weed through every goddamn fight because he focused on everything he was supposed to he said he broke his cheek he broke his yeah he care what his orbital be I broke his orbital he broke a rib and part of his back with a body shots Christ and he said you know that

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the fight that was the one and only fight that he you know smoked out beforehand and Andrew golota got we got a flat lined he Andrew go out of left the ring he was like fuck this and Andrew golota had been through Wars oh yeah man I don't Riddick Bowe fights work Ray Riddick Bowe fights I mean because Riddick Bowe was good you know but he didn't hit like Mike no no no no I don't think no one hit like Mike if you look at like some of his early training how crazy he looks he was so crazy back then if you look at some of Mike's early training in his footwork it's almost like you know almost like a martial arts-based the way that he attacked and then he shifts mmm on his attack and he says Custom Auto Custom Auto was a master master yeah it wasn't until he switched up and got rid of Kevin Rooney and you know where the destruction starts out I think it was also his you know his life was just too crazy it was just too lazy no one can manage that from the time of these

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to you know by the time you retired mean it was probably just a whirlwind of chaos and it's crazy because he realizes that like looking back at it and he says that he doesn't train anymore because it awakens the Beast and yeah I know he said that it made me nervous because it said it because he said that to you too right yeah cuz I cuz I was watching you know your interview with them and one of our guys that was in the back seat asked him had to whoever trained you ever like you know he's like nah I don't do that no more yeah use every time I get on the treadmill and I do some running on the treadmill but that fit I would imagine it if he got back in training he get in shape real quick sure it but you know it would have waken a beast yeah they're all like you can't quit you can't quit he's like fuck you fuck you probably just got up and left he's like push that guy away he's like you're not feeling these punches I knew something was wrong well he knew his rib with choke boys eyeball was broke too there is like they try to put the mouthpiece heat pardon it's Lou duva

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as Lou duva but no not not live in Versailles who is that guy looked like Lou do more for a second yes I mean you could tell him fucking face is busted right there did look fairly normal but I'm sure it felt like shit you know like it doesn't swell up real bad until later he listened you know if Andrew golota you know who's been in wars and it you know with Riddick Bowe another Fighters like he was a no slouch if he's telling you I've had enough of this shit well let us go over because he knows yeah once they found out that his back was broken in his face was broken there probably like oh okay sorry yeah I mean think about that his Corner guy was like trying to put his mouthpiece back it was so stupid once I got doesn't want to fight you can't make him fight more and then it's like he was already flip that switch inside of his head you know what I told Mike that he didn't realize it if this is the last thing because I know we both got to go but I said do you know that all the dudes you fought to get to that title including you know the dudes that you know that that you took time

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from they all stopped fighting after you beat them none of them wanted to come back and get nothing they don't want no part of that heavyweight title after that he retired so many boxers oh yeah and even realize that real Selden Tony tubs it down the line all of them didn't retire Larry Holmes Larry Holmes wait until he went to jail and he's like I'm gonna come back yeah yeah yeah that's all we got Bonecrusher Smith yep Tyrell big thanks he definitely retired tell they were Rivals at one point in time he fucked Tyrell Biggs pretty good Leon Spinks he's a you know yeah Michael yeah you know what I had this title to longer yeah that's right that's a wrap yeah enough check please and he told me just like I think you know what I didn't even realize that yeah man don't worry Daddy were tired a lot of people say we all saw it was a force of nature yeah and I told him the other thing I told him real quick to was you know like that explanation that he had on his documentary where he as he's coming to the ring he knew he had the fight one yeah

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I could see it in their eyes and then once he steps into the ring he's a God they're done right and I told him you know I was at that Bruce Seldon fight and I saw exactly what you explained in Bruce Seldon because Bruce Alden was knocking fools out left and right he was like a really good heavyweight the minute he got in there with Mikey Fanboy doubt tasted that glove didn't want no more yeah it was an experience it wasn't just that you were fighting a guy who knew how to fight but you were fighting Mike Tyson there was this your idol he was this thing this cultural phenomenon he was thought to be at that time everybody was thinking he's the greatest heavyweight of all time this is Destroyer yeah no one had an answer for him now you know sell didn't sell the and he pretty much you know he was a fan that was his Idol and he did he got totally got rocked he was so huge at the time that when Buster Douglas beat him even though I knew he beat him I watched the fight afterwards I couldn't believe it I'm like this is he's gonna get up yeah Bruce Alden look out

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Bruce Seldon ones me yeah he's a big boy man fucking tank yeah and he was eight he was knocking people out of me look 29 dockets and he was fighting good guys oh yeah cuz I WBA heavyweight champion I'd be not followed his career to you know what I mean and yeah he totally Fanboy doubt on Mike man Mike well look at the staredown we seem in the staredown you look at it that yeah it's like oh no you made a tremendous mistake getting here tonight mistake bro look how much bigger Selden is do it he's a big boy broken wasn't taking that in that shit Tyson's footwork and his ability to close the distance and bobbing and weaving I mean it was like there was nobody before him like that nah man they'll never be another guy like that there's a heavy weight he was just so fast to because realistically the guys who trained him yeah they had a certain technique and nobody uses it well was not just that it was what Mike talked about in the podcast about being hypnotized yeah I mean from the time he was a little boy and you know the fact that

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he had nothing before that everything was his life was shit was all pain and suffering and poverty and then also in some guy comes along and rescued him and takes him teach him out of box and then all sudden he gets recognition and positive feedback and he felt like he was something special boom he fucking hit that canvas home you don't want it I can't we kind of forget sometimes what it was like watching those fights to go back and watch him now I mean there's there's amazing Fighters right now like the like Terence Crawford just one Saturday night amazing amazing boxers but what Mike was was something he was something completely different yeah it was something that like transcended sports yeah everybody wanted to see him fight you know if you believe in conspiracy theories right he didn't even hit it right there he just fell on purpose read if you believe in conspiracy theories right you think about it like this right Mike was knocking guys out in the first round and people were paying whole lot of money for tickets and pay per view

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you know when you look at it it looks like they were trying to slow his roll and put in a guy like Evander Holyfield to as a brawler hmm you could box but he could brawl and take the fight 11 rounds and you know make it a fucking great pay-per-view where Mike would totally ruin the pay-per-view and knock your ass out in a minute and when you look at it the way boxing was for such a long time I wouldn't put it past it that you know a lot of the shit that happened to him was manipulated so that it would slow his roll what what what kind of shit like when I mean well you know the people that he had around him I mean yeah certainly not hang around a meat he took all his people that he trusted away from him put different trainers in his Corner different people that were influencing him and did it just took him backwards men and all the people that actually help goddamn there were fucking gone and those were the guys that was actually given him guidance as to you know how to conduct yourself be a man and all that

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stuff he got around the vultures men and they into me I think Don King being Don King he stood more money he stood a chance to make more money with someone taken out the fight you know eleven to twelve rounds as opposed to one well he just he gave Mike the worst deals ever to yeah and the whole thing was terribly stole money from him to this day Mike hates him yeah it's all terrible anyway I'll make you my man thank you brother see you in a couple days yeah for sure right I'm looking forward to it right everybody

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