#1408 - Ed Calderon

Jan 8, 2020

Ed Calderon is a security specialist and combatives instructor with over 10 years experience in public safety along the northern border area of Mexico. Follow him online @EdsManifesto http://edsmanifesto.com

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good to see you man thank you for having me back well I'm happy you're back but I'm not happy that there was a motivation to bring you back based on the violence you know the violence that is going on between the cartels and it was the Mormons and then it was we were just talking about this other person that got shot because they ran what would you explain that again they were ran a cartel roadblock yeah basically in time will leap has a lot of the cartel groups actually make the build their roadblocks and on the state and local roads

and according to what I've heard from some of the people that I know they're this family ran one of those roadblocks they didn't know if it was cops or not and they apparently decided to run the roadblock and the cartel guys shot them what should someone do if they encounter a cartel roadblock slow down I mean if if anything I would probably avoid traveling through those areas that's the number one women's usually you know and I've actually

gone through some of those myself really yeah and it's it's all about they're all they're all they're looking out for the for Rivals moving through their territory they're looking for government Personnel may be spying on them and usually didn't usually they'll just shake you down for some money and they'll let you go on your way unless you have a 4x4 truck that can use for their you know their own purposes which is what they might take your truck yeah they're specifically in Tamil lipa's 4x4 trucks are a commodity for them they use them for their

are ongoing Turf War right especially someone else's they don't mind getting shot up yeah I mean most of the trucks that you see any went that arm up armor they have the rifles on top or usually stolen vehicles all of them are stolen vehicles and a lot of them are you know Americans Crossing into Mexico some of them are Americans Crossing into Mexico and just getting the truck stolen Jesus is that that's a real common thing it's starting to be pretty common I recently

our case of an of an apparent abduction in in Tamaulipas you see the video and in the cartel guys come out of the car they grab the the owner of a pickup truck they get them all the car they take a cell phone leave it on the sidewalk because they're aware of all the SOS technology and they take them inside and inside of another car and they take the truck

and you thought you'd think you know it's because he did something or he's involved in something the let him go a few blocks later and just took the truck it was all about the truck wow yeah so resources you know they just acquiring resources for their for the war basically nice of them to let him go nice of them to let him go it's not always the case it's not always the case but it's pretty yeah I think most people in America are just now waking up to the chaos that's going on down there I think that the

I'm an assassination was a real wake-up call but I think people are paying much more attention now I mean we talked about this was the last time you were on it was like five months yes I like that a lot of the stuff we talked about those five months ago kind of that's how it things progressed we actually did mention the Mormon Community down there which was kind of eerie yeah and we talked about the possible designation of cartels as terrorist attack Terror groups

yeah you you had an interesting take on that so Trump was saying that they were going to designate them as terrorist groups and that they were going to have military action against them yeah and then there was some sort of negotiation with the president of Mexico what do you think went down there so I mean this is just you know from what I see and from how things traditionally happen down there Mexico is currently has a current currently a leftist president now there he's ready to the left so much to the left that

he recently gave Eva Morales the deposed leftist president of Bolivia asylum in the country and there's been a lot of you know Pro left political stuff going on in Mexico basically

as soon as the designation Threat by the u.s. came down there was some sort of negotiation and a lot of things happened after after some us officials went down there and talked to the government among them ever Morales is out he's he went to Cuba apparently and then went to Argentina so he's not going to stay in Mexico hmm former head of public security under the Calderon Administration which is two administrations past the president

the one that started the drug war he was arrested for cartel involvement and basically receiving money from the cartels or saw that yeah he was going through his immigration process and he was actually asking for full citizenship and they got him on lying through the authority the immigration authorities he said that he never received money from the cartels and apparently he did a lot of it right so all these things happened after after they walked back the threat of designating cartel

owls as a terrorist organization so there has been some action so they must have made some negotiation where trumpet said listen we're going to do this and he said hold up let's talk yeah I mean the main thing is one of the things that this current president unrest Manuel Lopez over ran on was creating a national police force right like National Guard is what he calls it which had already kind of been done before but you know

change the name change the uniform change the packaging and it's a new thing right he wanted he wanted the Army out of the drug war because the casualties are mounting on both sides and he said it wasn't a military shouldn't be a military operation and he ran on a platform that was called Ava tasos Noble acids which means hugs not bullets right so basically this is crushed amnesty for the cartels was basically kind of the main theme of that so we got into power

first thing you did militarized police forces and create a National Guard and dissolve in try to dissolve the federal police and most of that National Guard force was designated to border patrol duties on the Mexican side so some of them went to the South of the Border South Southern Mexican border and some of them went to the northern Mexican border basically to stem the whole illegal immigration crisis with the Caravans that's what kind of happened and it was a kind of a

the collaboration between the u.s. and the Mexican Government so that was one of the key points of collaboration that they had and when this whole designation thing went up that was kind of like a bargaining chip that the Mexican Government had with the US and the rest of the things that kind of transpired afterwards you know it's pretty interesting how a lot of things happened after that meeting down there and how they walked back the terrorist designation so the terrorism terrorist designation would mean that Trump would have some sort of

incentive to invade Mexico it would it would it would open up the possibility for military direct military action against trikes are all drawn strikes without permission of the of the nation that is tracked we're going to take place also targeting finances or anything related to cartel activities would be targeted yeah where did the cartels keep their cash well it's right now it's a myriad of things they Diversified long

so it's not like they're keeping buried cash in a container container somewhere in the in the jungle like Escobar you to do right they're still finding some like rotted cash from the 80s they're putting their money in cryptocurrency the real yeah they're diversifying their their their investments in actual companies like legit companies with a cleaner money that way

real estate hotels property on the US side so they're also investing on the US side of the Border as well so you know money's it's not you know it's not under the mattress or you know giant stacks of cash in a room so what what kind of banks do business with the cartels I'll how do they negotiate that I'm not going to say names but there's been a few cases of pretty large banks that have been involved in money laundering for the cartels recently and people can look that up easily but you would think you would have a

cartel you would have cartels designated as terrorist so now their bags involved in funding terrorism so that would change things that's you know there's a lot of things that would happen you know some of these consequences people talk about as designated was a terrorist and send drones out there things that they kind of don't talk about is that if a terrorist designation does happen most people seeking asylum in the u.s. from Mexico now have the claim of running from terrorists in Mexico so

so now they can claim that as far as you know Asylum seeking people can claim that now it's a different thing you know the main argument that a lot of people say is that cartels aren't can't be considered a terrorist does terrorist group because they don't have political aspirations the problem with that theory is that we have a lot of political killings by cartels in Mexico where they shoot the cannon out of one side of the political spectrum because it's not good for them so they

winds politics they also pay off a lot of politicians down there and they also examples of the new generation cartel from Guadalajara giving out Christmas gifts or groceries to the poor basically doing hearts and Minds type tactics in the area are clear political movements right yeah so you know how does it why is Terrorism have to be connected to politics well that's that's in classical the classical definition of that is

a terrorist group that's what they're basing it on I think the cartels and narco-terrorism is the thing in and of itself it's a new phenomenon that should be terrorism should be reclassified to include it I think you know most people that live through that type of situation and that type of in that type of area in the country but facing some of these cards out threats that have fled it will call it what it is yeah terrorism terrorism they're terrified yeah I mean that's literally I mean who's more terrifying than the cartels oh

so what's going on with the Mormons now is are they moving out of there now are they going to go back to Utah and just take one wife like that's it all started out with right yeah well the fundamentalist group and they went down there and kind of proceeded with their Customs I'm in contact with with a few of the members of that family and you know cut was in contact before but when I went on here they kind of like one of them Reach Out okay what's goin on so helpless

so what do we need to do yeah and then you know it was like a friendly hello from them from past interactions and then this happened and you know I kind of advise a little bit but that's you know that it's a mess a lot of a lot of them are leaving the communities down there there's a lot of them down there a lot of communities and so Nora coahuila

and you know that leaving is leaving the area it's just too dangerous yeah it only makes sense I mean they just don't have the arms they don't have the tactics Manpower and and they're also in the middle of one of the most important regions in Mexico right now for a lot of reasons main thing is there's two things that are really really kind of happening in that region one the traffic that trafficking of Fentanyl

and heroin and all these drugs through one of the main drug routes up into the u.s. and there's a few factions fighting over that region low Salazar which are small cartel faction that has allegiance to Sinaloa cartel and the Linea cartel which is historically been in control of ciudad Juarez so they're both kind of buying for control of the area a few hours before the the massacre actually took place there were

bunch of fire fights between these two factions in the area so one of the main theories is that these the this group of Mormons basically were case of mistaken identity kind of driving into some of the areas where they're being protected by some of these people that's one Theory right the other thing that people kind of need to think about is that the largest mineable

my nipple deposits of lithium on the planet right now are a few hours away from where that Massacre took place really yes and that is not conspiracy theory out for theorizing here but it's a pretty important thing in that region and there's a lot of interest in that space and control for that space and they're not mining it currently there's there's a bunch of projects in play right now so they've identified the deposits yeah you know people can look up the numbers but it's it's the largest mineable deposit of

on the planet well and there was some sort of deal in the past where a Canadian mining agency was going to have rights to it and Mining agency was bought by the check my Chinese company so again after that Massacre lot of things happened a lot of things go change has happened that problem that deal was one of the things that got killed after that situation oh no right so it's an interesting area there's a lot of things happening there that's kind of put a tremendous amount of pressure on the cartels in some way right well

well historically any sort of any sort of mining operation usually has industry around it which is perfect for the cartels you know extortion protection rackets feeding the the drug use in the area from the workers you know that's is there any way that you could see in the future the cartels being extracted

from the positions of power that their endowment or is this something that people in Mexico are going to have to live with forever and I guess people the United States as well or is this something that could be fixed you've you've talked about before in some of your podcast and you know listen to them a lot of great podcast thank you Graham you're on to thank you but you talk about legalization how that would help that definitely is part of the solution and it is it is definitely part of the solution legalizing some drugs you know not all drugs are made the same

not fentanyl you know yeah but that would help out some things there's there's multiple things that could be done to guide us towards a place where things could stabilize down there and a lot of that is not going to be able to be done in Mexico it's going to have to be done up here right basically you know what you have to take care of the US has to take care of the drug market up here the illegal drug market and certain things that have happened like legalization of marijuana and marijuana and some of the simple

this up here have changed the Dynamics of what happens down there some for the better some for some bat some bad things have happened talking to my friend John Norris who was on here as well and comparing notes seeing how a lot of the drug were crows there up here the pot is legal pot girls are up here exactly like the ones that I found in Baja six seven years ago and how some of that drug money made from those fields are staying in the u.s. it's not being sent back so that

do you have an active growing cartel presence in the u.s. that is US based so I think that one of the problems that people have is perception is that that's a Mexican problem it's a u.s. Mexico problem you have border there but the problem has two root causes right social economic inequality and destabilization and corrupt government down there and a thriving illegal drug market up here and

you know those two have to be solved set me in a going to combine way how many members when you combine all the cartels how many members are we talking about that's that means pretty hard to put a number on how I will say this more than a million I will say this they defeated the Mexican Army in Sinaloa yeah that was bananas yeah when they captured El Chapo son yeah and then the Army gave

back yeah well I guess you can have them back well sorry the that whole situation and it was like I remember that was happening and I was getting asked questions about it and it was wife it was almost all of a sudden just popped off you know basically it's supposedly the official story from the Mexican Government is that they send a special police unit to capture him right which is completely

false I think because you don't send three five agents to capture one of the heads of one of the biggest Sinaloa cartel cells right so it's pretty much a by chance they spotted this party people are on there if they went there all of a sudden the chapel sun is actually think they just stumbled into him there's a I posted a video on my feed of the capture of the of El Chapo Sun you can see it and you can see the surprise and really

how the agents are kind of uncomfortable or are fearful of what they just Dumpling on imagine us agents stumbling on one of the America's Most Wanted individuals up here going to put them on the ground they're going to handcuff mm-hmm and the video you can see that the point the rifles Adam and he calmly takes out his gun and hands it to somebody inside of the inside of the house he was in and walks out and kind of tries to negotiate with the people outside the federal agents are trying to arrest them

and you can see that the agents are like oh what did we stumble in on all right so that happened they grab them they reported back to Mexico they captured him he started to announced the capture and his brother his half-brother art Ubaldo basically called in all of the reinforcements from all surrounding towns and regions and seeing the law and

it was flooded with a bunch of armed cartel guys always you know I was wasn't there a video of the government people in the cartel people talking yeah there's something there it's on my feed you can you can see it if you want it's a it's basically a an army unit that was being sent to reinforce Security in culiacan being surrounded by Cartel members yeah this is it right here yeah that's it

obviously the guys running around with a vest and wearing skinny jeans are some of the Sinaloa cartel members and they just talk it through I mean they're outnumbered and also there was there's talk about there's a there's a specific Community out there and seeing a law where all the Army families members live and they were apparently being held hostage by Cartel guys as a bargaining chip so so all these guys were seeing here the dressed in civilian clothes with the

those are all cartel guys are real cartel guys Jesus Christ and that they'll be shaken hands with everybody well you know hey what's up homie I mean they again we go back into the hole what is the fight they have in them right hmm Sinaloa cartel was basically surrounding some of their communities and he'll like holding their family members hostage so that went out over the radio so as an army member going in to fight the cartels you know what I'm out of this fight yeah

so they raised their hands so then they release the hostages everybody backs out yeah I mean there's they defeated the Mexican Government basically anything that went up against you know it surrounded the city usually you'll see classic classic Mexican cartel CAC activity they close off the streets going into the City by burning semis and trailers and stuff like that so you would see all these burning semi-trailers in the region

so if you want to move in you can't and if you want to use your helicopters the cartels have an entire aircraft capabilities so

they broke out a bunch of people from the prison just taking advantage of the whole chaos you can see there's a few other videos whether there's a armored trucks with 50 Cals and models is on the back of them just moving around the city there's no way there's no way you can this is the breakout State Prison and took advantage of the whole chaos and just you know just let's let's break some of our friends out to just pure chaos eventually they let

the government decided to let him go that's the official story but according to the people there there was no government saying let him go there was like the guys holding him and said you know what it's not worth it yeah that's one of the technicals as they call him up here

yeah dump trucks the armor plate the sides and put somebody on imagine being a person living there well that's that's what I'm trying to picture what life is like for the civilians and most of these videos are all done now by civilian so yeah there's a certain normalcy in some of these cases especially in seen a lot it's part of it's part of the culture there and as far as sides go you know a the army's coming to save us that's not usually what to keep some people in some of these communities

you know because the cartels are

those are the guys in charge so Sinaloa always been like that like how long is the signal has traditionally been a cradle for like the origins of some of the hottest some of the more successful cartel heads right isn't that where Julio Cesar Chavez is from yeah yeah he is yeah and you know a lot lots of lots of anybody that's anybody in see the law has some sort of relationship to the cartels because they're part of culture there that there's no way getting around it had a surreal experience ones when I went there I did a class

out there and the running down this bumpy road and then all of a sudden just flat beautiful Road oh yeah this is the cartel part of the road that they built

it's like okay so it's like sort of like the mob and Vegas and Like The 5860 exact exactly but it's now in the way more hardcore way more hardcore you know some of their grave they have a highly visible Maya is called as the Narco Cemetery they have and it's basically luxury condos they look like I mean I went there I thought it was a church and it turned out to be a tomb wow right so the the opulence and the money there is just over you know

and how they move around they roll around and vehicles with guns and nobody does anything because they own the city

what can be and what are they planning on doing it was anybody have any plans or is it just they just accepting this well you know you you get a lot of rhetoric about collaboration yeah that's that's hurting as elimyaye all of those are Graves some of them have CCTV video inside air conditioning you know alarms those are great those are grave sites and the cartel guys heads go there on the Day of the Dead have music life

the street there a case into the air nobody does anything wow

Jesus Christ this is crazy yeah I mean the opulence is mate I mean just seeing it you know it's like having several Escobar's in one place and it's not you know it's like a lot of a lot of cartels heads are from that region and a lot of their kids grew up in that and you know the opulence is amazing fuck

like is this going to grow I think it is and it's I mean I don't think it is it is growing again going back to my friend John Norris and having seeing his experiences up here finding all these illegal drug Rose and in public lands it's growing it's growing over here too yeah so your roots yeah so I think that a lot of people have to think about a lot of these cartel guys have their kids up here

so they made their money down there and they sent their wives up here and a lot of these kids that were born in the late 80s early 90s coming-of-age up here with that cartel pedigree so and they're US citizens US Passport so you're going to you're going to see some sort of shift

and you know they're coming of age get experience you get you know a handoff of rains from the older generation to the newer generation you're going to see the definitely it's definitely growing it seems so crazy to watch because it seems like it's not discussed nearly enough and it it seems like if it keeps getting stronger like what we saw with El Chapo son being released

what what's to stop it from taking over Mexico entirely well I mean you would have people arguing that it already has in different ways so I think another thing that people kind of have to kind of figure out and realize is that there's factions in Mexican the Mexican Government so you will see a federal government that apparently is being paid off by a very specific large cartel group

and then you'll see state governments that are of different political party influenced paying off by other cartel of the group's so you'll see you know military units moving on the town and the state police blocking their way to get in there because they're play for different teams right whoa you know there's a there's a lot of talk right now about Felipe calderón's tenure and how his head of security ahead of Public Safety was on the payroll of the Sinaloa cartel which actually came

out during topless trial

so now you're talking about basically federal police force that was on little chapel side so he had free reign to grow and do whatever he had to do in that region with the support of the federal government in a way so technically you know who's in control of some regions and realistically some regions of Mexico are completing cartel control now we discussed this in the last podcast but let's give people a little just

a recap of this just so people can understand your position when you first started working

on for with the Mexican Government with this it wasn't like it is now it was so what if everybody just a rundown of how it went down so I went to I went to work for state government down in Mexico in Baja specifically and this was in this was 2004 right right before the start of the official start of the kickoff of the drug war as kick off the kickoff but there was you know that the official start

when Felipe Calderon came into office said you know what gloves off going to go after the organized crime right we're going to send the military into into this onto the streets and they're going to head up spearhead operations against the cartels but before that things were happening still you know Sinaloa cartel was growing there was a rift between the Sinaloa cartel in Tijuana cartel fragmentation cartel heads were being killed and one cartel turn to the three all this fragmentation

um and then you know they basically militarize the War on Drugs with Calderon came in militarize the War on Drugs immediately you start seeing that drug a drug enforcement efforts were being put towards a single or a group of cartel groups but not the month but not a major one like Sinaloa cartel so you start seeing how they were basically taking sides they're breaking up the competition that's what you would gather from the making it look like progress yeah and

and also the chapel has been built up into this mythical figure like he was the head of the Sinaloa cartel he's the main guy that's not true at all he was an operator for the Sinaloa cartel but not the main operator you know there's different theories and and about who's actually who was actually in charge or the brain behind the whole operation when he say Sinaloa cartel is not one group it's several to Federation of several criminal groups Enterprises uniting and working in conjunction to put

drugs into the into the United States well one of the things I do is put drugs in the United States to do a lot of things but that's one of the things they do so certain people is there's a lot of people out there that theorize that mile somebody which is El Chapo's Compadre who still out there is the actual head of the Sinaloa cartel has been since the start but you see how some of these people become celebrities and as soon as somebody becomes a celebrity like El Chapo who escaped from custody of the few times you know under you know pretty

interesting situation I mean it's pretty interesting situations now the government has a celebrity that can go after so I can point out that guy and that guy's a bad guy right so you saw a lot of that a lot of theatrical theatrics around him as far as him being the head of whatever you know group or operation was but at the same time you started seeing you know the DEA and the US government conduct a rating and putting all these Awards on a guy like Luke

Anna who was the guy that got arrested recently it was head of security down in Mexico and now all of a sudden he's now he's not you know he was recognized by the US government as being a player for good guys and now he's arrested so you start seeing all these you know different interests different political political kind of movements around the drug war and what that turned into and you know what you don't know what to think right each and each also each us Administration has changed the way they do things

when it comes to the drug war and also benefits certain groups out there so you know who knows realistic fuck yeah it's just you know I went to Chichen Itza I think in 2000 2002 maybe 2003 somewhere around that time and there was no concern yeah it's a different time that's but that's 16 and 17 years ago thats so recent in terms of like

history yeah that a region changes so radically so quickly well it's there's a lot of things happening you know

there's a lot of interest of China has a lot of interest in Mexico and you go back and you see something like I'm sorry you see things like the whole house I'm not armed groups started popping up in Mexico in the Michoacan area fighting back against the cartels the the whole it was like series like a documentary on them the the outdoor defense has they would recall basically like vigilante groups

and then you later on you realize that they were all fighting for basically protecting or Kink or working around security for illegal Chinese or Meyer mining in the area whoa yeah it's all it was all about a Chinese or mining iron ore mining illegal Chinese or my so the Chinese or minors they just made a deal yeah and then you know we can get in on it so let's arm all these guys and we're protecting our communities but they're all there was

not all of them but a lot there was a lot of shady stuff going on in the region when it comes to that now you see things like the stuff that's going on in Sonora and there's a lot of lithium there that's pretty valuable thing you know Sonora is a place that a lot of hunters go yeah Sonora has these big hunting ranches and it's like it's famous for giant mule deer yeah yeah yeah it's a but I've been out there hunting myself and it's a it's a beautiful it's a beautiful art part of Mexico

go but that seems like a sketchy spot to its venturing into it's perfect because it's perfect for them because rule so there's nobody around but if you were like a guy from Texas want to drive your truck down there it's a little hunting I mean at my recommendation is if you have a four by four don't don't take it down there take a fucking you go we do have the largest population of American citizens living outside of the country in Mexico for some reason so really yeah in all throughout Mexico they I mean all throughout

fun down there well a lot of people like Cabo people love Mexican food yeah yeah now with this there's there is there's a certain chaotic freedom in Mexico which I'll be on Cup being some a child of Mexico and then moving up here and seeing you guys talk about Freedom not that but there's there's three I get the I get the draw you know and some of these communities down there pretty safe but some aren't you know they're safe until

they're not safe and safe until they until they all of a sudden you're in the middle of a someplace there's going to be disputed which is I think is something along the lines of what happened to some of these Mormon communities down there mmm you know you're on your you're in the middle of your community and your movements are in the middle of our route could you please get out of the way what's the ceiling on this like if they can continue to grow I mean it's it's really is it possible that we're looking at

country that might be completely run and overrun by criminal organizations and Drug sellers some parts of it are already so you know what I think is going to happen is you'll see it's collations a clear sign or a clear group that is like a a sign of things to come is the is a new generation cartel the new generation cartel is a cartel that was used to be called laws and Martha said does it was basically an armed enforcing group that Sinaloa cartel made

made to go after their main Rivals to set those which were originally members of special Mexican special forces that said you know what we're going to be cartel guys now in cartel enforces now so they whole sordid history

these it was a militarized group that was formed formed to go after them right and their whole kind of play was that we're going to be against extortion against abducting people against affecting the community we're going to enforce the law in our communities but we're also going to move drugs through here right but that you know that's kind of their thing so you see this group started kind of growing in the region and right now it's pretty big it's rivaling Sinaloa cartel as far as power and reach but the way they do there

things is militarized the very militaristic and kind of paramilitary and it kind of reminds me a little bit about of the like the farc groups in Colombia hearts and minds they go into the communities that community policing in the area that you originally said you know we're aware of the government wants to fight drugs here in the region we agree with their fight but we are also going to fight against these guys that are affecting Community as well and they have like groups of people they

have they have training camps Well Medical militaristic Training Camps where they recruit people they take them there and they're being trained and guerrilla warfare and shooting and apparently there's some SF guys from the US that that advise them so that's that's the next thing the X the the escalation of simple ragtag group of cartel guys enforcing the region to an actual cohesive paramilitary group now trying to Vie for control not just of the of the

drug routes but also of the populace and the competence of the populace as and so it could turn political some point right

it just seems like it's the Genies out of the bottle it hit I mean it is I mean it is in a lot of ways and going after it just as a Drug Enforcement issue is not you know it's so much bigger than that yeah it's cultural it's an economic yield some of these kids that posted up some of these cartels Soldier kids of 12 years old plated guns go putting guns you know they don't have a not they don't have options in their life right if it's that or

nothing well it's either awesome life or short Offspring poverty short awesome life yeah or short awesome life or extreme poverty so that's one it component to it another component is systemic corruption as a society from who knows when you know it's always been a thing in Mexico people that grew up down there you get stopped at a red light and you're like can I pay the fine here you know people that are from now there will be aware this yeah show you the chill the paperwork is fly that thing in there you know that's you know that's

it's part of the culture that's affecting a lot of things as well you know people don't pay attention to those small rules so the big rules don't matter right and just being next to the largest drug Market on the planet you know and having money Firearms rounds going down and Fentanyl that it's being fabricated in Mexico now and some of the Chinese fentanyl making its way through into the u.s. kind of filling the voids that some of the the drug Market has right now so they're making

least fake fentanyl laced pills they're going to they're being put into us and fentanyl-laced heroin right so that's where they're going towards now these that's why you see this epidemic up here and a lot of things traditionally kind of focused on pot before it was legalized in a lot of readings up here now is Peril and federal so it's actually kind of accelerated the production of the more harmful and dangerous drugs in some ways yes I mean they had to find

another you know it was it went pot meth and now fentanyl-laced heroin or fentanyl laced pills see in the problem with the idea of legalization is that if you try to be the person who says Hey folks we need to legalize drugs here in America because we've got this problem with the cartels politically that suicide yeah no no one even though it's probably right it is I think it is I think it is very right

it's one of those things that's so counterintuitive that most people are going to go you're crazy you're going to make my kids hooked on drugs while say this I was I fighting the drug where I literally a drug war veteran yeah and if I had a white flag I would hand it over to you you know it's like that it's a useless fight I got to destroy pot Fields realistically thinking about all the effort all the blood I'm like yeah and it's so quick to grow back I mean that it now it is it is a fruitless

fight fentanyl heroin maybe different drugs fentanyl particulars but a lot of that Fenton was coming from China not a damn good thing oh yeah a lot of people that are making or producing fentanyl in places like Mexico are from China setting up Laboratories in Mexico until it's a Chinese Mexican u.s. problem as well Goddamn

what can be done other than the legalization what could be done I mean how does unless the United States literally goes to war with the Mexican cartels and you made a face talking about that I mean I'd say designation is one and I think that's a nation should it's going to happen the terrorist designation it's going to happen I mean again we just saw the murder the massacre of Mexican they were dual citizenship nine people kids women it's not uncommon for

to happen to Mexican Nationals it's pretty uncommon for that to happen to American Nationals down there and that woke up I woke up a bunch of people you know hmm and now we another recent murder of another American National you know kid with his parents down there you know people will say but just don't go down Mexico but some of these people you know live down there have family down there have communities down there just ultraviolet

you know people have to wake up on this side to realize this problem is not going to get any better this problem is not just a Mexican problem with the US Mexican problem and you know it will get to a point where it's going to be you know I think in my lifetime is going to be some sort of our momentum intervention Mexico at some point really

so you anticipate almost like in a civil war

I think something's going to happen in Mexico it's going to destabilize it so much that the u.s. won't have another option but to put boots on the ground probably

that's I think that's that's where we're headed the problem and again another another the problems is that the government is part of the problem

so you can go down there and negotiate with this government but six years later it's going to be another government you got to renegotiate with them yeah and also you've you Palm grease yeah and then you put all your faith in the military and the military gets compromised you put all the faith in the Mexican Marines and then they get compromised and now who do you have all right so it's systemic

don't tell that to Trump use that as an excuse we can't count on them we're going in I I mean I wonder where it all goes because it is obviously growing very fast it's obviously huge and Incredibly powerful and and it affects I mean I'm up here now and I could see the effects of it up here walking through La seeing all the needles on the ground going to Seattle

in the same light brown fentanyl laced with fentanyl laced heroin that I saw in shantytowns down Baja like wow so this is where it kind of ends up oh yeah so you send you see the effects of it throughout so you know you you realize quickly as somebody from both sides that I am you realize that their realistically there's no boat there's kind of no border when it comes to this problem it was brought this problem doesn't respect the border wall right right

submarines will go around it tunnels will go under it drones will fly over it and it's a problem that just keeps you know producing an effect and I think the majority of the United States citizens are completely unaware of the complexity and the depth of the problem yeah I mean it is it's also I think most people seeing the Iran thing right now most people know more about that oh yeah one off going on half way across

world yeah then what's going on just you know if you are that's what's crazy to me it's like you know we're invading countries that really barely affecting us there like a 17-hour plane flight yeah I think I think the again I don't want to be at a Damas and predict stuff at a dumbass but

the fact that we have a lot of lithium in Sonora is going to be

a factor for some reason to clean it up it should be it should be it's pretty important it's a pretty important resource even if they can't hold on the El Chapo son how the that's that's why I think us gonna is going to have to you know put foots on the boots on the ground down there wow now if you had to make a bet like if there's a betting line in Vegas like how many how many days or how many years from now where they be American soldiers deployed to Mexico I'd say five years maybe whoa

five years really I mean we are on we just passed this past year has been the most violent year in Mexico and recorded history really and it's the first year of the administration of this new president right who's been trying to hugs hugs hugs not not bullets every last one of Alaska's you know this instead of that it's been his first year and you know it give him a chance he's doing whatever you need only the most

violent year in history yeah cut the guy a break exactly that's what they say but then I go down there and I have a lot of a lot of my friends that are still down there are people that have trained still down there and I hear from them directly like I have some young kids that are in the head and arm area which is like a federal police force that patrols all of Mexico and some of the federal federal police guys they tell me like head we're they said or you sign the new contract to be the water they never know

and lawyer Bay and all your all of the stuff that all your benefits will be gone or you just stay on here in limbo and just stay at the base

and a lot of them are saying at the base so it's nothing's nothing's nothing's nothing's being done well I imagine that if it seems overwhelming and it seems helpless and it seems like the cartels are just taking over and they're making shitload of money and you're not making any money me that that is the real crazy thing about it right there if the government is asking people in this sort of already compromised situation environment asking them to work for a

amount of money to go after people that are making a tremendous amount of money yeah and you're going to be a war with these people and these people they're basically your neighbors yeah and also you go there with a federal uniform as part of the federal government you go into a community where you the federal government doesn't do anything for them right the church is made by the cartels card told me the road Christmas was brought brought to you by the cartels you know they they are the good guys always got to come in here like where you guys like what

are they doing here we're not gonna so that's you know it's it is it's a mess it's a mess wow but could boots on the ground actually fix anything I mean I'm not I'm not I'm not I'm not a military expert but

there has to be some sort of outside force that is completely uncompromised by Cartel money and influence how long before the compromise those people well when you put the Marines On the Border a few of them got picked up on smuggling people from the border so yeah that's what I'm saying yeah who knows it's also it's a different War Field because a lot of you know a lot of our war Fighters and law enforcement are have some sort of Blood Ties to

go mmm course well not only down I was just watching some video where there was this guy who is a u.s. veteran been deployed overseas fought for this country and his mom was getting deported and he said he felt betrayed like here he is in America is mother brought him over here had him over here he's a US citizen and they're deporting his mom is if his mom was a danger or the problem there is a community of Army Marine and several veterans that are deported

veterans that live in a place like the Alana that's fucking crazy that is fucking crazy wide for the Countryman that a DUI in your but how nuts is that it is pretty nuts it's fucking ridiculous fight for this country you literally risk your life and there's assholes out there that haven't done a goddamn thing been mooching off the system forever and their citizens and you're not yeah I mean my perspective in my life life path you know when I came up here I want to I want to earn it right

I don't know if I came up here motivated want to do a difference work and apparently you know I had I have had some static in my in my Endeavors my kid was born in the US and parented or mom's American right when I went to to the hospital to pay for the the the insurance part of it they laughed at me and say you shouldn't pay any of this you're Mexican you just can claim benefits

all right that that was in California so that was like oh but I can afford it you should just use there's ways around this know and that's when I knew we know there's America and there's California America right California America's different yeah California America's very different it's a subtle blend I mean there's ways around stuff you know there's free stuff now get it get it get at it yeah it's a weird yeah again I travel across the country just get to experience different parts of the

last I spent New Year's and Kentucky and as a pretty interesting huh oh it's I mean I like it you know maybe it's like a it's like a white Mexico is it yeah how so people were shooting guns into the air and Year's Eve that's pretty Mexican yeah they do that indexes to oh well you know again you know I don't know it's not good some lady got shot so it's completely recession or driveway grandma with her family in the bullet fell out of the sky and

hit her in the chest yeah when we when you re would come we would park underneath the bridges in Baja to not get you know there's Firearms are legal in Mexico and then you know why I thought that tracing right Tracer rounds it's going oh my God I like Trace around okay you know it's again Mexico is a weird place you know that's why I called the upside down you know there's the there's there's a chaotic freedom to

ago which I get I mean I love my I love Mexico as a country as a culture I don't like the government though the government is just you know at all levels it's just you know it's not a good well it seems like it's always been that way I'm reading this book about Kit Carson and the old west and when the United States you know conquered parts of California and took over parts of California and the west from Mexico and it was crazy back then yeah and they were there talking about the the

toss in The Mexican government in the Mexican military back then in the 1800's yeah I mean so so people have kind of figured realize if you want to be an officer in the Mexican Army you have to go through War college and there's different ways to go about it but there's a lot of hereditary stuff going on hereditary okay my dad was a general huh okay that is that's a lot of that going on also the Army down there has a

Napoli over selling guns it's only one gun store in all of Mexico and it's run by the Army what yep one of the story no Mandel Mexico and is run by the Army and you have to fly to Mexico City to to get a license and to procure a firearm so if you live in the Yucatan you have to fly to Mexico to fly to Mexico City to get a gun which makes which basically makes the only options buying a gun on the black market

or flying over there and expending all this money so there's a now it's a Class 2 only only people that can afford the plane ticket and to do a little process are the ones that can have gun so it's a that's class you know classes involved in there as well what kind of rights to you have with guns versus the United States Second Amendment is it somewhere so the Constitution the Mexican constitution allows for guns for self-defense but a lot of amendments and a lot of corrupt governments on their side you maybe you not a good idea to have this here so pretty

similarly throughout Mexican recent Mexican history it's become more and more strict all right certain rounds aren't allowed certain calibers aren't allowed and just plainly the sale of firearms in all of Mexico is just relegated to a single gun store in Mexico City so you can't carry them without without a permit and to get a permit you have to know somebody that knows the Presidente or a general something's but what about all those gentlemen we saw in that video just walking in front of those government agencies

agents with with guns why didn't they arrest them they should have they should have been times like those well Bali break the only people that are that respect those laws are you know law-abiding citizens there was a case in Veracruz of a old man former Army guy old older gentleman he his son try to get abducted something like that he had this old Mauser rifle

and he shot dead one of the guys that was chasing him just trying to abduct him he was arrested for the the firearm possession and the browser is what Lee Harvey Oswald supposedly used on JFK yeah that's an old ass gun well there's a lot of weird old ass stuff down there I mean as far as the stuff that gets handed over or just a weird exotic firearms down there a lot of people call Mexico the u.s. is garage and likely like garage as

you just find weird stuff down there from over or two error pistols and explosives to new stuff like there's a friend of mine that works for the government down there told me that they found a bunch of

but parts for a minigun in a house somewhere down there what's a minigun it's basically a remember that going remember that - Terminator 2 yeah oh yeah yeah yeah pretty hard to get yeah one of those apparently there's one out there somewhere on a vehicle of some sort well Jesus it's basically a obliterate everything well we talked about the Ed holder Fast and Furious deal last time that you were here

and that to me still is one of the most bizarre cases in the history of an undercover operation that doesn't make any sense at all yeah they sold guns like literally sold working guns to a specific cartel down there to try to it was so they could track them or I remember what kind of bullshit argument that was the the interesting part or if you want to go into the questions that they benefited us

single cartel the Sinaloa cartel that's the that's the thing you know that's most of the guns went to that if you had to guess if you were a conspiracy theories we put on your tinfoil hat what do you think that was all about they were probably as as a nation you were probably one wanting to only worry about a single threat as far as cartels and not a lot of cartels so they empowered one cartel yeah really I mean we're that was coming off the Patriot Act are

Bush era thing I remember vividly people putting Geiger counters in some of the drug tunnels that we would find so they were worried about nukes getting put into drug tunnels at some point during during that whole post 9/11 era so it would make sense that if you are worried about National Security you would want to not worry about a lot of cartels maybe focus on one support one and just keep us in the know

no do you think this is a covert operation and sense of that the Sinaloa cartel was not aware that they were doing this to empower them to eliminate the competition to strengthen one group because they just knew it was inevitable that someone there's a lot in troll there's a lot of people that are now coming out after the whole there's a lot of things that were said at the Chapo trial that are

that would lead somebody to believe that there was some sort of official support from the US government to the Sinaloa cartel as far as then having deals with these this cartel specifically to keep things to keep them in the know about things happening down there supporting them to be that be in a position so they can keep control over their region and basically as an information group so they can have have a clear eye and ear in a key

are you like Mexico on the bad guys side that's what I that's why I gathered from it Jesus Christ but that kind of it's almost like they feel like it's helpless like they have to do something like that that they have to do that because there's no way to fix it so what you got to do is kind of try to manage it or move it in certain directions other the there's all up like every night every now and then I post them's the stuff up about that type of situation and everybody goes to well the CIA

been running drugs into the u.s. for years and using playing this like that there is there are instances of CIA involvement in different stuff down in Mexico that you know pretty obvious now from the 80s and the 90s as far as supporting certain groups or just trying to keep tabs on these people but you know I think we're coming to a point in our history where a lot of these people are dead a lot of these people are in jail a lot of these people got book deals and one people

talking and your I mean it's interesting seeing some of the stuff that is coming out now that in my time when I was active would have gotten you in a hole probably somewhere if you talked about it so there's definitely I mean I my mind was blown when I was seeing El Chapo on Netflix because a lot of stuff that was going on in that show is fictionalized stuff that I went through myself so it's like it's on Netflix now how accurate was some pretty good accurate

parts so there's a there's a character in that show called so talking about narcos and we're talking about the Mexican version of narcos right because without their Colombian first yeah there there's a narcos pretty good there's a there's a lull Chapo series on Netflix as well there is yeah it's in Spanish it's very popular but it's pretty accurate there's a guy in that in the interview subtitles it does there's a guy in the show conrado soul is his name which was nobody would people are trying to figure out who that was is basically

government guy that had a deal with El Chapo and they both kind of escalating power it turns out it was Luna right so this show was showing him the character El Sol which depicts Luna as a corrupt politician that was working security we're working both sides and all of a sudden even recently a few months a few weeks back they arrested the guy wow so the show was kind of predicted you do you think that the show had anything to do with him being arrested

stood I mean probably put a put the idea in the side guys to people to ask questions you know yeah that's weird that shows actually do do that like saving surviving are Kelly that's what got him arrested I mean everybody knew it peanut people and like fucking 20 years ago he's peeing on little kids yeah it and now it gives people like a good it's interesting you see easy fictionalized forms of stuff that happened down there the narcos show as well as another thing you know see fictionalized things of how some of

is powerful cartel groups kind of originated themselves and fiction and now that is in the public kind of domain as well as collective knowledge so people start asking questions and some of these things are primarily people in power also ask questions as well she's it's just it's so strange how popular it's become you know and it's such a popular focal point of fiction as well and it in fashion yeah well Chapel

here with Sean Penn yeah the shirt was like fire everybody wanted that shirt you know that Conor McGregor like wore something to mimic it when I'm purpose when K in the press conference for half L dos anjos did you know that yeah you've heard some good he stood in the same stance like look at him look at him I mean he's doing it on purpose yeah it's like a subtle nod to El Chapo yeah I mean he's a little chop has achieved legendary status now for sure

now his kid that was freed by the the cartel down there he was wearing a scalpel REO which is like a you could I don't know if you can see it in there it's an interesting just bid piece of about cultural thing from Mexico what is going on in this video that we're watching handed the gun over here what his personal gun over to one of his bodyguards said was not even these guys don't even care about him this ahead camera thing and they're putting everybody out there and

personally I would put everybody in zip ties and on the ground personally so these guys all have guns drawn and there's people inside with guns drawn at them and they didn't realize they realize who they have now so they're like should we forcefully put him in cuffs are we not so how do you know that they're realizing this right is it because of the language a little bit they're saying I've went through a lot of the same training that they went through and I did a lot of this type of stuff and all of them would have been in zip ties on the ground with his girl went reached out and grabbed their guns and put there

hands down is complete there's there's fear in these people they realize that they messed up oh Jesus right so that's what you know people question and there are these streaming this video live they have the Under head cams have a head Cam and they're streaming it not well it's not you know that they have already a quarter get and it gets sent back to the command post so when he was moving around he had one of these on this is a capillary oh it's called it's like a religious

Catholic iconography thing what is yours what is it this is a Santa Muerte one right it's like a holy death Effigy so he had that on he had his was a Santo Nino de Atocha which is like a Catholic this a Christ baby st. they have as soon as that picture of him went online they were sold out all throughout seeing the law everybody was wearing they have to work you know they work those work because I'm free got him four areas areas that's the at the

scapularis Anthony and some guy yeah that's also an interesting cultural thing

the occult part of it were that's that's Anthony Latoya Shrine is right now it's probably most popular shrines in Mexico or that one because they work and then you go to the holy death shrines down there as well and you see how both sides both Mexican government forces and the cartel they both been really kind of the same Saints so with that's again that's a weird kind of thing they share that Faith what does that picture of his truck down there Jamie

have some wacky truck now it's just a regular truck hits his yeah that's one of those riddled with bullets he gave out cars on Christmas

he as a like he did this party to any like townspeople where he was how many cars do you about have no idea like a lot of them there's pictures of the El Chapo son gives out cars on Christmas and there's a bunch of cars there

you know again who are you like who are you gonna go towards him of course government you know you yeah are you don't get me anything yeah they like you said hearts and minds they're really yeah and and and you know they pay for a college education so there's a whole generation of lawyers a whole generation of doctors they pay for immigration procedures so hey you want to you know yeah I'll pay for your immigration but

I'm going to call in some favors later on okay wow so that that's you know that's that's how that's how you grow it's full-on Mafia shit yeah I mean they learned that one day I'll come to you Al Capone I'll Capone Scarface all these things are kind of venerated by them that's kind of their cultural backing that have pop-cultural backing they kind of look to the Mob era guys as influence or as inspiration you see

you know insane paintings of The Godfather or Scarface and some of these safe houses with these people are right and you're like okay or you see cartel influenced series for Netflix like there's one called La Reina the sewer which is about a female cartel head the the lady that that stars in that show was the one that took Sean Penn down there to meal Chapel because alone oh yeah

it was a fan of that show really that's how it got going when they finally caught up to him he had the whole series on DVDs at his house which was pretty humanize them oh my God that's that whole scene with Sean Penn going down there and writing a story for Rolling Stone was Uber bizarre yeah well if they get the the terrorist designation he basically went down there to meet with a terrorist what happens to him then is it all retroactive I don't know I don't know but that he helped

get him arrested in a sense right he basically that whole commotion put eyes on on the movements of El Chapo by the Mexican Government why would L Chapo agree to do something like that

he was a fan of the show that's seems so crazy though doesn't it seem crazy that he was willing to take that kind of a risk and take a photo with Sean Penn and that that actress well I was what's her name again okay God got the cattle Castillo yeah right there he was Chapo's probably buying that right if I had to guess there's rumors there's rumors of a meeting that's about it I don't know anything else if I guess

I'll say yes just the whole thing will go Sean Penn smiling hey here's my friend the murderer I mean I get the I mean I've heard some of the stuff Sean Penn said said about you know Chavez in Venezuela and stuff like that how we approach avez and stuff like that to have people friends of mine who live in Venezuela under that regime so these please a pretty kooky guy he has some pretty interesting ideas about you can't possibly be that informed

I mean how you you really have to have boots on the ground to understand what the fuck you're talking about you have to be there for you know if you want to know what's going on in Venezuela there's so many different stories my friend Abby Martin's been down there multiple times and she gives me a story that's so different than anything that you're getting and mainstream news and she goes there she goes there and talks to people yeah spends time I have a there's a there's a resistance group that is based in the US that works down there and you know they put

up videos all the time of people picking up garbage and trying to recycle garbage to feed themselves and some places Instagram immediately takes all those Downs right really yeah why does Instagram take those down I have a lot of that going on as well when I post something completely news-related about something and then get the shadow band or things just go down depending on what I post up like weird things post it up

a Venezuelan people throwing rocks at this armored vehicle and one of them I think one of the got run over and that got taken down by didn't show the the part where he got run over but just the people protesting and I would that get taken down they got flagged as support for a hate group or something like that support for a hate Group by showing the news or showing a picture of cartel and again I don't post anything graphic on my feed because I don't want to get banned but I'm

Shadow band right so you showed that one by the way Ed Manifesto that's how you find it Ed Manifesto that's that that's Ed's page you post that one where you saw a guy getting abducted yeah my fake cops yeah yeah and and of that one get pulled yeah it did all of the all of the recent seen Along video ones are our bulb were all pulled off the real Instagram account that's why I had to real upload them all I just don't understand their logic I mean

look I can understand them saying caution some of these images and videos are sensitive you know like with some bloody things and things along those lines something changing the algorithms are your back like when I was on your the first time I was on the show I got obviously a saw a spike thank you by the way but all of the pro-second amendment pages and people like there's a guy crispy it was a veteran yeah also he got a lot

and all the start seeing a lot of us are flagged yeah his stuff got taken down yeah yeah I think he got up there was a photo of him with Donald Trump that got taken down yeah I like science or think was Donald Trump jr. like what the fuck is wrong with you people yeah just because you don't align with someone politically you can't take down photos and you can't pretend that he's posing with Hitler or something like yeah fuck is wrong with you it's it's the about people can report things anonymously I think and yes

and if you hurt my feelings there you go so if there's enough people that flag your video and say this is hurtful or this is they don't even look into it they just pull it down yeah so who do you think is doing do you think that's Mexican government is doing that do you think it's the cartels that are doing that page I think it's mostly Americans that have sensibilities that are completely beyond my comprehension that see a gun in a picture and they're afraid of the gun and it's terrorism there supporting terrorism that group let's report that picture or video

I could understand how some of what you're reporting on truthful as it may be would be disturbing to be able to find out that truth but you gotta let people do that I mean I mean what does Instagram wanted to do it mean do they want to put parameters on what kind of truth you're allowed to distribute so just for people to get some contacts I do work for to to magazine companies and I do do articles so in that regard I do provide news in in certain ways

but when I post something on my page it's a personal view of something I purposefully don't go into graphic material because I don't want to get flagged but sometimes there's always people with a certain Affinity to when they see a gun in a post or whether you see an animal being butchered for something like in a picture or when they see hunting related stuff or when they see some sort of I remember posting up a picture of the make Tijuana great again hats that they were

from down there red hat said make Tijuana great again when the Caravans went into DJ and people started protesting the Caravans in TJ that got flagged what that is so crazy

yeah if you want to confuse you want to make people angry and Confused just wear one of those hats through the airport well lady got maced in the face for wearing one that said make Bitcoin great again yeah some guy Meister in the face I've sunk under had I saw somebody walk down a walk in an airport with a make hentai great again hats anything great again you got you can't do it you can't be close yeah it's too close I mean you know that the Hat you know read it I have never seen anything more divisive in this country I mean other than

like a swastika or something like overtly disgusting I started my immigration process when he got elected oh no

it's been a trip you know how does that work like if you are Mexican born citizen and you want to become a United States citizen and obviously it's very difficult it so married to an American have an American kid that's how I went through the process myself and you know I got a green card the thing is that when he got elected everybody said you know what maybe our time to get a green card is going to get be less and less so let's all try and get one yeah so

would take normally six months to two years oh wow so those two year to can't leave the country so if you but what happens to people that are illegal over that's what's fucked up about it right so like there's people that came over here illegally 20 30 years ago and they've done no crimes they've been an integral part of society they've had great lives but they they can't pay taxes they can't vote they have to live under cover yeah I mean fuck that they're stupid

and they're they're you know they do provide you know they do yeah why they pay taxes through other awesome sales tax buying things but they're not paying taxes they're not but if you made them citizens you would make money yeah well it's not a popular view it's a stupid view yeah it's stupid that we have these people and their permanent illegals yeah and they will be here until they die illegally and we know they're here like how about work with what you've got look you've already

doing your best to stop the Border traffic great fantastic but listen let's just forget about the past these people are here they're here and they're part of our community like how you how are you going to deny them citizenship to the day they die and they're still here well legal immigration that's like I went through is hard enough he got to find some American lady it's just difficult yeah I could yeah I did and you know but it was a hard process

it's a it's a difficult process and you speak fluent English yes that's another thing I saw people in the line with me you know that did not speak a lick of English but they were from a country that had a quota like Holland or some shit from a country that has a quota to him but you're not you're not it's hard for Canadians man I have friends from Canada that have come over here and try to become citizens

it's a fucking grind yeah and don't get me wrong I love this country a bit I'm new here and I like what I see I don't like where it's going in some places what don't you like I don't like the I mean I left my country because I couldn't defend myself from the bad people out there the Second Amendment Second Amendment yeah it's a beautiful thing you have no idea how beautiful that thing is tell you don't have an option to have it that's one thing I like to eat opportunities this country provides I've had a lot of

- I would never get anywhere else I like to you can actually work and work you the work you put in matters here I like I like how it's segmented and different you go to Tennessee and you meet people out there and they're great people you know there's some you know people have preconceived notions of what some part of the countries are but I've loved it and then you go to California and you meet people that are on the same boat as I was and there forgot completely what Mexico is and they're completely

recognized American eyes and they're completely against you as a new residue person here really yeah so you find that really like Americanized Mexicans are or like second third generation Mexicans a worst enemy of a Mexican is another Mexican That's a classic what That's a classic That's a classic Mexican saying is true well that's a classic Mexican saying that really most of the negativity negativity I got from being on your show the first time was from Latinos specifically Mexican what do you know what was the

negativity what was their criticism when I talked about how Mexicans protested the Caravans going through Tijuana and wrecking their city that was viewed as a stream to the right or conservative Viewpoint apparently yeah but that was a fact but yeah the the Apparently facts don't matter oh that's so silly but that's people that's that's a good that's a good example of people that are not there yeah yeah talking about it you're not set you didn't make a value judgment saying that those people coming through

or protested by Mexicans need to go back to wherever fucking rice paddy they come from you didn't say any of that so so this is what I saw when I when I talked about it looks like experienced it I wasn't I was in TJ for a while when that was happening firing Caravan comes through obviously a lot of those guys were gang members a lot of them were not all of them a lot of them were covered in tattoos it's pretty hot outside wearing all the more important hoodies cameras came by the females and the children won't be inputting front parade in

the media to anybody was there you could see the circus I was going on hmm and then a lot of the a lot of the camp encampments they would they would you know litter the encampments with Needle on the outside and one of them was next to a school that had to be closed down a niece of mine had a kid in there and the school had to be closed down because it was next to one of these encampments they would protest and close down Lanes most people that live in TJ some of them are Americans and the commute so that's affecting their livelihood yeah people that

work on tourism and TJ livelihood went down so the fact that these people came and disrupted all that whole thing and then you would see these Californian hippie Americans guys come down there and do puppet shows for these people and hand over a donations in the form of canned food blankets and stuff like that and then you would see these guys go to the back door and sell all that stuff in the back and just get money for whatever they were going to use the money for we would laugh at it but it also you know it's pretty disheartening having that point of view online

so I started posting some of the stuff online for people this is what's happening and that was like no no you going against the narrow The Narrative yeah the narrative and the in the people that are talking about you going as a narrative have really no idea they don't care about the truth that's what's crazy the absolute his thing so if you're against it if you're against this Caravan going through Tijuana and affecting your probably a trump supporter that's that's an unlicensed simple I can't even vote of your yet you don't have to be a full citizen to vote so that it

doesn't even factor in on God damn it's so crazy what else about America bothers you

I think

there's there's definitely this tendency in America that I see the youth in America like like I have I have a weird mental comparison of seeing my nephew's down there playing soccer going out and getting into trouble going to Cock fights which is probably pretty dangerous but they go to Cock fights off of that and I see kids up here on their tablet you know playing games playing video games getting offended by something you know

from there you can still punch somebody in the face if they get into your face and it's cool if you're allowed to do that in school I mean there's just going to be some issues but it's fine you know there's still that you know up here it's gone all that's gone you're going to get into some issues probably going to get out of school or something you know you see this weird classification of American children safe spaces yeah don't say that that's Politically Incorrect pacification it's a good word for it what's the play come up with a politically correct word for that that has just as much kick and I'll use

is that they get it doesn't exist it's the pacification yeah I mean and and when I came up here the like the first year I was up here I saw the California gun laws change like I got to see the weird California compliant rifles come to the range and you have to push a button to release the magazine and hmm yeah and make it more difficult to reload yeah

so strange I mean if

I've never seen a California compliant gun in the hands of a criminal in myself right so why are why are the good like the good citizens following the law yeah the idea that you just can't handicapped law-abiding citizens citizens and that's going to somehow or another save lives in mass shootings and here's the other thing about you and I'm waiting for this to happen but it's just not happening they're never addressing people using psychotropic drugs they're not they don't address that all those School shooters

all those Mass Shooters are all on drugs yeah they're all on some kind of psychic drugs and there's no mention of it whatsoever like what what is the action of these things it's all about the guns yeah and the guns are a huge issue mean the fact that these people who are fucked up yeah they that they have access and they can get access to these guns and they can wind up shooting people yes that is one issue Securities another issue there's another issue and that's mental health and that's that to me is the biggest one because without the mental health

you don't get Mass Shooters and that's interesting thing we do when I get people in conversations about the violence in Mexico and Peru perspective Mexico cartel guys you know go into a town shoot up a bunch of people and it's pretty horrible but on the Mexican side we only had one school shooting that like a notable one right and it was mentally ill good well yeah it took a gun to school right and I as Mexicans we look at what happens in the u.s. in schools and were horrified by it that's like completely

Lee you know horrific I'm not amazing it's in again being on both sides I've just trying to figure things out what about pharmaceuticals being prescribed to children in Mexico is it similar not at all not at I mean we were so behind in some in some instances as far as you know I didn't know about PTSD so I came up here or TBI right well yeah I didn't know anything about that when did you learn about TBI when I started talking about we should say with that is post-traumatic stress disorder

and traumatic brain injuries for people who I learned about it kids I learned about it from talking to most of my Marine friends that were coming back from like had like what you're describing that you're feeling sounds like TBI really yeah you should get yourself checked out and then you go down there like I you know things would happen and people would get you know it's just written to get a few days off take a few shots of tequila you're fine get back at it

oh that's the old school mentality and that's what they have to deal with in World War II and Vietnam and yeah but you've got the I mean when it comes to that but mental health down in Mexico there's like it's not it's not anywhere as far as medicating it kids being diagnosed with things like autism autism is a thing that I will only recently kind of heard about 15 years ago in Mexico and Mexico and what about antipsychotic drugs and all these different drugs that you're seeing

these a lot of the School shooters are taking in Mexico it's not a thing you know people think that it's pretty permissive in Mexico they can get any drug if you pay somebody off the thing is that a lot of these psychiatric level they're not they're not available down there were people there that you can go to the new like what do you want now this this is not available here so it's not a part of the cultural it's not an American oh no yeah in America it's such a huge part of the culture that people want the people are constantly wanting to take something to take the edge

edge off or take something so they could feel better or take something to you know to she's just to alter their state and the doctor will prescribe it to them and then the pharmaceutical drug companies are just raking in the cash from it so it just becomes a part of reality yeah there was a few people like way back when I first started thinks we're pretty relaxed when I got in you know they would get you know urine tested for cocaine and whatever but maybe some people would go to Oaxaca and go on mushrooms

apps like some of the veteran guys that were going through whatever there's a there's a place in Oaxaca and Veracruz where they go up into the hills and get some of those they call them balad has which is like basically going to midnight and they would smoke these mushrooms and take them and they would come back apparently fix some of them that was like a story mmm it was pretty good for them to work their things out with John Hopkins is they're doing studies on psilocybin and there's been studies done in psilocybin with true

oops with PTSD and that they've found that that it does help them MDMA is another one that map's is doing all these studies with MDMA and troops coming back with PTSD yeah I mean a lot of this stuff has been around for a long time now they're like yeah like remember the Beatles and members of The Doors went down there to yeah buddy a Savina and when he found out about it was a Life magazine article from the 1950s that was one of the first really mainstream Jamie see if you can find who wrote that is life article

the 50s I'm trying to remember the guys name Wasserman Wasserman I feel like it's Wasserman who was one of the very first guys to sort of mainstream psilocybin mushrooms and it was because of Mexican tribal cultures María Sabina was like the the figurehead of that movement she was a lady that would do these mushroom trip so too for people that would come up in the hillside with her she would take her was it Gordon Watson

I was close it was something like that Gordon Wasson that's right yeah so this was seeking the magic mushroom and I believe this was what year was this cherry

actually it's I think it's in the 50s so I typed in 1957 some rest okay María Sabina left the whole Legacy of that in Mexico and she had a lot of people that learn from her and a lot of these people are all over Mexico doing you know healing and spiritual work well that's the other thing about Mexico Mexico has some you have some Freedom like my friend Ed clay he had a ibogaine retreat down there where people would go to get

off a pills yeah because it's one of the iboga is one of the best ways to get off of particularly opiates yeah there's you know there's enforcement is hard in a country like Mexico so you're not going to have people trying to go inspect things and Riley's part so that's why there's a lot of places like that you still to this day you can go to places where Haka we're technically that's taking mushrooms illegal but they go on the hillsides didn't they kind of like

is a lot of different things down there for personal use so the quantities now matter more than they used to so sometimes you would get caught with a certain quantity of something and that means you're selling it and so does how many grams of mushrooms can you have I have I would have liked but everybody has a different opinion on what person who uses I mean I remember the first time I saw like a box a box of them and I'm like one of these and you know later on I figured out what they were and you know there were thing there are thing in

Mexico there's their big thing in Mexico mmm there's a lot of people growing their a big thing to anyone who finds out about them not to eat them they become a big thing yeah yeah apparently and they'll use them in rituals and all sorts of weird rituals down there as a doorway type of element like there's a ritual where they do with where they bury you alive in a shallow grave oh Jesus yeah it's pretty basically a an isolation chamber love really poor man's isolation chamber they bury you alive on the show

grave with a rope with a bell on it and they give you a bunch of mushrooms so you can think about things in there

and if you freak out your ring that Bell and they dig you out yeah oh God yeah how you breathing down there they go to percent the shallow grave it's just basically you know about that much dirt there's a hole where the rub goes through your so you're gonna find but it's a it's like part of the death cult down there they do that to kind of initiate people into it but it's mushrooms they take mushrooms there's a bunch of weird stuff that goes down there as far as the the use of

psychotropics like mushrooms and other things to put people in that mindset of you know accepting a very specific date or truth out there Mmm Yeah so let's get back to what's fucked up about America I was like to talk into people that are the outsider here from somewhere else and just sort of look at it with a fresh eye because obviously I've been here my whole life I'm used to it yeah and I'm third generation oh you are yeah okay so my parents

it's where second generation my grandparents came over here so it's all I'm ingrained you know I'm in the system I don't know I'm blind what else is fucked up about this place I mean I don't know I mean I went when I travel around I get to see different parts of America and all of them you know there's there's certain certain places I've been called you're one of the good Mexicans at you know good ones I won't

say what those parts of the country are but the I've gotten some of that you know well United States is almost like Europe where like there's all these different countries except they all speak the same language yeah you know like Europe has France and then they have Germany and you go over there and there's this one than the Sweden and then it's all in this fucking big landmass yeah but the United States is landmass is continuous and they all speak the same language but if you want to tell me that Montana is the same as Florida you're out of your fucking mind

I take those comments in stride you know one of the good Mexicans I mean being racist kind of racial like that and just messing with each other is the think Mexicans do that all the time right so I take it in stride it's fascinating to me that people are second-generation Mexicans up here take more offense to something like that then I would somebody say you're one of the good Mexican yeah whatever you know it's to me it's like a thing I've taken well the easier things get the more

people get quickly offended yeah yeah that's that's me back yeah Hard Times produce Hard Men Are Hard men produce soft I'm soft times produce weak men yeah so when I come up here I see some softness and a lot of the society and a lot of feelings get hurt having to watch what I say as far as you know some people home yeah I always tell this to people first off I'm from Mexico I come from a Mexican education system

that their world country so please take everything I say with that in mind right and then I go into whatever I'm going to say and like when you do like when you teach class when I have a class where I have a like I just recently did a conference with a bunch of bodyguards and Security Professionals that work internationally have to start with that one just to not offend any money you know that's hilarious your teaching security guards and bodyguards and you have to worry about being offended every now and then

you get somebody you know what you said something oh Christ you fucking babies yeah so not never read the comment section never never stay behind and talk to people especially if they look like they're they want to speak to the manager you know oh did you get that and we teach classes every now and then I got so into they say yeah you know I think I think your point of view is a skewed because you work for the government down there and you weren't part of the like the poor class like I'm losing part of the poor class if you work

like where I work from we were pretty poor pretty / poor right it's not like you know I once middle class it was pretty poor or they or they try to tell me the realities of where I'm from oh that must be hilarious oh that's pretty good that's pretty good Ed you're just fear-mongering about Mexico I go down to Rosarito all the time with my family it's fine well Rosarito splined go down and Tamil lipa's where the shooting happened and tell me the same thing you know it's perspective they really say

that to you I can't imagine someone talk particularly talking to someone like you yeah who's got like real world experience there's there's people out there that kind of guy I believe you yeah I mean I do believe people are so fucking dumb I do believe you yeah the condescension yeah well don't go in there but it is really true that it's the the people that lived the softest easiest lives that are most offended in the people that have experienced like real hardship and seeing real violence that are a little more hesitant to come

man on things like that but yeah that's that is possible yeah that is real yeah and that's one of the things that I really think is good about your page and it really makes me angry that Instagram sensors it is that you're giving real world perspective you're showing real video of a lot of this stuff and you put it up with with also you are educated experienced on what these people are actually involved in yeah and it's I'm not involved in any news agency and a lot of this like both of those videos came in through direct Messenger to my

phone from people that are out there they had this happening here like okay hmm you talk about it okay I'll talk about it like when the Mormon thing happened the people the people that reach out to me to talk about it were part of the family and was all pretty surreal and it wasn't national news when I posted it up

all right so there's some of the first like social media post about it that I could kind of try and look for it and it was wasn't anywhere so I talked about it and like that that evening went national news and but most of it is directly from having connections and people out there that still talk to me so I always keep my are open to that type of stuff specifically from that region because that's that's my thing that's where I came from well there's not a lot of mainstream news is dedicated to this crisis dedicated to what's going on it

it takes a big event like that to sort of break through all the noise and become a signal it reaches us over here yeah yeah and it's you know again and things happen somewhere else and now all the attention the most people aren't focus on our analysis so yeah the whole what happened down there there yeah it's just fucking crazy okay there's a giant problem right next door you could walk to it literally I mean if you live in San Diego it's a 15-minute Drive yeah like it's right there well it's just to me it's I love San Diego and I love

going down there but every time I go down there I'm like you guys could walk to Mexico like this is so crazy like it specially La Jolla yeah glow way which is one of the most richest parts of the country fucking unbelievably beautiful stunning views gorgeous Mansions everybody's driving a Mercedes your 15 minutes away from Tijuana yeah and if you we have heavy rains in Tijuana all of our sewage is going to go right through there really yeah that what happens a lot of the Sioux like recently have major major rain in Tijuana

of the sewage goes cross the border to the to a Tijuana Estuary there's a there's a processing facility the US has on this side but it can manage all that and they have to close all beaches and they are wow which is again its fastenings out of see how the effect there's a there's a border wall there but it really is an important no border while you getting a boat you bro over there it takes three minutes we can par core yeah that's a recently posted up a bunch of videos of people parkouring

or that wall I saw it yeah look I admire Ingenuity I made my are people that find solutions to problems and watching that guy scale that goddamn wall like Batman yeah it's amazing yeah they're they're coming up with weird ways like I saw some people do using powdered titanium to to melt the bars on one of the slats how to Titanium again I had to research it basically it's a bit prior titanium Burns at a very high rate and when you start it's kind of hard to put it out

the mousehole on and in this wall with powder type in some sort of powder titanium mix that's like that shit what was that shit that they were talking about with 9/11 were all the conspiracy theorist thought that it melted steel goddamn it by reading or something pirate zenetan aren't something like I don't have the right words to my head yeah that's the one yeah that lets I feel like that's the stuff that you blow shit up with right now they sell these things they call breach pens like and there's the the for tactical applications of these

pens the be sticks that you start and you can burn chains open stuff like that when I'm really yeah so basically a ghetto version of that is what they're using you know and some of these places and now they I mean the wall as they're making it and speaking to some of the border patrol agents that I know it does its job as far as slowing people down so there's not an overflow of people come yeah it's not like yeah yeah what would happen if it was that that's on my bonsai yeah what would happen if

anybody if there was no border everybody's like Mexico's United States United States is Mexico have a good time yeah that would be chaotic of course how long 10 years I don't know how long would it mean once everybody got in yeah I would and then other people go there yeah if what if United States Mexico came to a deal and they said listen yeah wasn't there a thing that they were going to do there was a North American agreement there was like they were trying to do that with United States and

set up a single currency yes yes a lot of conspiracy theories around the Amero yeah something like that like they were going to do with Canada we're all going to become wine actually I could see it with Canada yeah but maybe not you know Mexico well look we can also spread all the good around yeah and then also like look Mexico's got some awesome spots wouldn't be great if us industry moved in their lithium yes and let the young lady that's going to hell with him well Columbia did a great job in eradicating all the did the problems with narcotics

I think it is really well not all of them because they still have a gorilla gorilla group down there that recently kind of the farc that went amnesty and then they got active again but there's still there's still a lot of cocaine being produced there no yeah that's not nothing like when that's not our know what did they do well they were facing just a few criminal groups large ones and Mexico is facing a lot of them that's interesting they have the u.s. right next door that is

pumping money into the issue directly don't have to fly in no yeah it's not a long plane flight it's a short walk also Mexico is a pretty big country I think people kind of miss that also it's a pretty big country pretty big country do you remember when there was a CIA drug plane that had like several tons of cocaine on it and it crashed because the Mexican Government wouldn't let them land and refuel yeah yeah I mean all sorts of conspiracy theories around that was a real CIA drug plane that had been to

obey at least twice yeah like it was documented yeah and they for whatever reason I mean I'm flying back with a lot of coke look at that look at all that coke I imagine imagine government group everywhere have Asian boys yeah you have Cowboys when people try to say the CIA brings in drugs no no people who work for the CIA realize they can make a shitload of money if they bring in drugs and they pass that money around and they work it out but the sea

CIA itself does not bring in drugs yeah Customs Customs and Border Protection agent agents and just Homeland Security as an agency has the most corruption charges as far as all lower law enforcement agencies is do they really have federal federal charges for corruption because they are on the border and the money on the roof course that's that's why I write it doesn't make sense and you know I mean it maybe was a CIA guy that said you know can make some money through here well I mean that was the whole berries

this thing that Tom Cruise movie made it was it called made in America I think I mean in America that was about bringing in drugs with the with Cowboys that work for the CIA yeah I mean when I was working down there in Mexico and I got to see different agencies that we would work with all of a sudden were like hey can you guys just go like look over there or just or they're like what's going on and he would see like some sort of okay

you don't know what's going on you know but plane lands plane takes off and lands but we saw nothing nobody saw nothing you know money exchanges and just you know that's in your just an agent you know you should in the background well that's the thing that's so scary about what's going on with the cartels is that the quantity of money is so extraordinary yeah it's almost like they can do anything yeah I mean they have their own cell phone networks in some places but yeah what's it called we good if I knew but they're not coverage they have that I got pretty good

it coverage in their area I mean they dismantled some cell phone networks in the past also like whole cities with hidden cameras that are cartel controlled as he will goes in and out of the of the town's wow like so they looks sophisticated oh yeah so the Mexicans Mexican government is working with uniformed agents patrolling and pickup trucks in the back and these guys are living in 2025 and using

drones to to to surveil the the Patrols in the area and they're using their own cell phone network so they don't have to worry about government tapping into their Communications they're utilizing encrypted phone technology that is available now commercially throughout the world to get around some of these things and they're in they're working they're constantly evolving and how they work you know I remember the first time I was working in Baja and all the cartel guys were

move around and Suburbans dressed like federal agents and they would look exactly like the legit federal agents or there were federal agents with the cartel guys so you would oh my God so they'd be together yeah and then we started working with the military and the military didn't give a shit who you were as I would stop everybody she would everybody and the guys immediately saying so now we're using taxi cabs to move around and different types of cars and we're going to paint the the Vans like taxi vans or we can move around

and ambulances so they change their tactics so we were always after these convoys of Suburbans and now they're doing something else that's how they evolved like they just you know you're trying to go after him with a hammer and these guys are mosquitoes does it make you want to move to Canada no no that's the furthest you can get away from all the chaos you know must be going on up there as well right they may also have a so I interviewed a Smuggler

a coyote for one of the articles I wrote and he asked him directly like what do you think about the the border wall and the immigration policies of this current Administration is a lot it's good for business you know it makes it seem like it's harder to put people in the United States so I mean that wall is pretty hard like how do you do it I fly them into Canada and they walk down

well we talked about it before the border the United States is a wall to Mexico the border from the United States to Canada is a giant clearing that's a hundred yards wide it's real clear you can see it like it's almost like they make it easy hey just go right here yeah I mean a lot of people that want to get into u.s.

you hear you hear numbers from $8,000 to fifteen thousand dollars depending on who you are where you're trying to do how you're trying to get up here as far as feeding smuggled up and he's like past Mexican passport get a Mexican password if you're Mexican will get you a Mexican passport we'll put two thousand dollars in an account somewhere so if they want to verify if you're financially solvent they will check that and just fly to Canada I just walk down and that's what we do well Canada super liberal now

to Justin Trudeau guys super liberal that's a lot of a lot of their a lot of their business as part of smuggling people that's how they do it right now instead of going through the desert you know there is that there is a lot of that going on now to like some there's a lot of people moved from Africa African out migrants coming into into Mexico people Middle East as well which is worrying for some people coming in through Mexico trying to make their way up but it's pretty hard for these people now because there's a lot of security

Now on both sides of the Border Mexican why didn't as your now and on this side of the Border things are kind of more stringent a lot of the people that claim Asylum like a lot of the Mac my Caravan members coming to the u.s. claimed Asylum and say okay there's a number to wait but you going to wait in Mexico so they get sent back even if they're not from Mexico they we have to wait in Mexico really interesting yeah there's a lot of these immigrant waiting encampments in places like Texas and even teach

I mean in Tijuana places where people get cross Asylum okay here's your number you have to wait in Mexico they get sent back yeah

man are you hopeful do you think this is going to work out okay when you mean this okay like even this this is what we're all talking about yeah this is going to become better a better situation the future or is it going to get more and more crazy is the United States going to become like Mexico I think on a global scale we're going to need each other before before you know before too long you know you guys are gonna need Mexico and Mexico is going to need you there's going to be some sort

situation we're going to have to come together probably you mean like a global war I don't know could be oh Jesus said I mean there's a lot I mean why you're freaking me out there's a lot of Chinese influences and Industry in Mexico yes as soon as Trump said we're going to when Trump was going into into office he said we're going to bring jobs back in on this whole thing so a lot of factories American factories and businesses moved out of Mexico and the Chinese moved in in exactly well that's what's dumb about shortsightedness right yeah well

not understanding for detailed three-dimensional chess you know there's a lot of moving pieces yeah and and and you know people can say whatever they want about the United States American companies in Mexico were pretty good companies and the pretty good with their workers and their their ethics are pretty good A lot better than China lot better than China you know it's a different it's a different game and you know it's again you you see the these influences going into Mexico because they realize that Mexico is

valuable place where them to have influence in especially with what you're talking about with lithium and what I mean with Battery Technology and Green Technology becoming in the Forefront of American culture right now I mean everybody wants electric cars all these manufacturers Ford Mercedes they're all coming out with electric cars Porsche is going to electric car now yeah that I mean that's a big deal yeah Andy those batteries yeah that let them that's the next you know that's the next Oil grip that oil type situation is going to be lithium and that's right next door

all right so I think again I think as a second largest consumer of American Products in the world is Mexico second largest so economies are intertwined they have a lot of America's living down there there's a lot of Blood Ties to in within the country of course Americans don't want America to be Mexico and of course a lot of Mexicans want Mexico to be more like America that's what would say fix things

greasing the opportunities and making Mexico a better place yeah we need to make some make Mexico great again shirts and yeah and get getting fights at the airport I mean really if we're connected to Mexico Mexico was like Canada where you know like Canada is fucking wonderful you go over there this amazing cities it's great it's safe it's clean if we can make Mexico like that then we'd have you know it would be better for everybody including

Mexico including the United States everybody post 9/11 at the border you could see how businesses started failing in San Diego because it became harder to cross the border so your interests are says there's their symbiotic relationship with some of these border towns it specifically California is very dependent on some more towels in Mexico yeah we've ever see that documentary a day without Mexicans yeah this is shut this whole fucking place down man there's nothing going on without Mexicans here yeah that's why an time

skin racism some of the dumbest racism in all of the United States but particularly for California it's so stupid I you know I got to see how like in places like a Fallbrook California where the the avocado capital of the world cutting down all the avocado trees because there's the drought and there's nobody to pick them really yeah there's less no one to pickle less people coming up and it's harder to maintain like a

people they hire illegals and there's holy shit that's Farms need to organize start working on border control it's like the old added oh man I I'm I'm one of those people that believes in borders but I also believe if you're a hardworking person who wants to do better you should have an opportunity and I don't think a lot of people particularly poor people within aren't very well-educated there's not an opportunity it can't there's no reason for them to be

here so if they applied for United States citizenship well there's will why you want to come here while I want to come here for opportunity well what do you have to offer you know I'm a hard worker was a lot of hard workers I mean that's really the attitude yeah you know and I think we all just got mean me I got lucky I got lucky my grandparents came here that got lucky that's all it is it's just luck and the deny that and to deny these other people this opportunity this just got to be a way to filter out bad people yeah maybe as technology gets better we can

recognize bad people better yeah I mean I went through a bunch of questioning look at my background I got a lot of questions for long are you sure do right I gotta looks and it's fine you know and I you know I was like I didn't I didn't do anything wrong so like I'm here it's fine but you know there's a lot of people like again there's the Luna Garza Luna was here on a green card and he got nabbed when he went to process his full citizenship so he was here for a long time

wow he said just stuck with a green card I would have kept quiet for a layer that's why he's in jail right he lied to a to an immigration agent that's one of the charges he has on oh wow right so it's pretty interesting that people like him have been a long time of year things like open Secrets and

you know yeah I mean again not all not all Mexicans are good guys you know not all humans are good yeah I know yeah so y'all hard-working people come up here I got some of the people that I've met out here that are kind of on the same boat as I am fresh in the country no doing manual labor construction working at Kentucky ice I met a bunch of guys that were working on the Kentucky Derby or the horse stalls around them all Mexicans

you can smell the tortillas the good food is usually you can smell you know you can you know where they are dude there's a place if you're hungry there's a place I don't tell anybody the name because I don't want to fuck it up okay and I can place down the street from here that like every time you go in there Mexican soap operas playing nobody speaks English the food's off the charts I know lengua tacos oh yeah language quesadillas yeah make organ meat great again yeah that's another thing talking about yeah working Morgan me don't throw away the tongue no

don't throw away that on the tripe yeah tripe to do I love liver light heart and liver that's another thing weird thing I see all the stuff you throw away from the I know they've never had menudo oh that's sad this place up here has menudo oh it's off the charts but best hangover food menudo and right why how does that work there's like a science behind that you know organ meat I don't know there's a lot of nutrients in it basically a lot of nutrient gets stored in organic and it's a soup so you go

get the rehydration from that yeah and it's like a common thing Mexico about liver specifically hmm I grew up on a pig pig farm and my mom would have this rule if you killed it you have to eat it so kill the rattlesnake once and I was peeling it and the liver the rattlesnake was the like a treat that she would give us right really yeah rah rah whoo it's a prosthetic or well my mom was pretty hardcore the cow sounds so yeah but listen

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