#1050 - Dr. Shawn Baker

Dec 7, 2017

Dr. Shawn Baker is an orthopedic surgeon, weight lifting world record holder, and carnivore diet advocate.

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my guest today is Shaun Baker and Shaun Baker is what you would call okay Shaun Baker is what you would call a carnivore meaning he is an advocate of the carnivore diet he only eats meat that's it no vegetables no nothing and we had a long conversation about that as well as his service overseas as a medic working with whoo

did people in Afghanistan which is quite harrowing and his experience in the medical industry but the idea of just consuming meat sounds crazy right until you hear him talk about it and you go how crazy is it really and maybe it's not for me maybe it's for some people maybe it is for me I don't know I enjoy talking to them give it up for Shaun Baker The Joe Rogan Experience trained by day Joe Rogan podcast

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and we're live all right Sean welcome aboard ma'am thank you thanks for doing this appreciate it thanks for having me Joe you're one of those guys that came up so many times on Twitter I had to reach out to you so many people were like if you checked out what this guys doing he's eating nothing but meat and he's a doctor he's super healthy I was like okay let me check out what this guy's deal and I saw you and I was like he's serious about this I was like okay this isn't a gimmick you're actually an educated guy and

you you're pursuing this carnivore diet yeah I mean it's you know if you would have asked pull this thing up close to if you could you go if you would have asked me two years ago I would have said that's fucking crazy yeah I mean it's what I want to say you know if you'd asked me even five years ago I'd say a Dye doesn't really matter that much just train your ass off because I had been an athlete just training my whole life and you know I didn't really until I got in my mid-40s and then all of a sudden I was like crap training and working I'm getting fat I'm getting you know high blood

I sure you know probably pre-diabetic and that I you know that I went down this you know this dietary Journey where I went from you know doing the low-fat low-calorie fish and vegetables almost vegetarian training three day three times a day just about trying to trying to get lean and then I went down to you know that I was like man this sucks I'm miserable I can't can't can't maintain this you know then I went on a Paleo diet started like I was like man bacon looks pretty good and then I went and I started reading some more than I want on to

you know low carb high fat and then I did ketogenic for about 2-3 years because I think you do stuff like that do you think I do and then I just started reading about these people that do this carnivore diet and then I want to start a reward you read about it well there's there's actually a Facebook group it's called zeroing in on health is going to Charles Washington he's been doing about 10 years and so they got about 10 things about 13,000 people's right people so he's been exclusively on a carnivorous diet for 10 years 10 years so no vegetables no carbs no nothing nope I mean he basically eats

I think eat steak and pork ribs stuff like that there's another guy there's more impressive there's a guy named Joe Anderson and his wife Shawna they've been doing it for 20 years and then you know I could probably show you a picture I got it he I mean he's 60 and he looks like he's 30 his wife as his mid-40s and she looks like she's 25 I mean there I mean while by looking at these people you're like they're crazy healthy you know what happened was she had Lyme disease real band was kind of overweight and really sick and he started doing like a same stuff I was doing he's reading about these old cold body builders remember

I don't remember getting Vince gironda so he promoted this steak and eggs died back in the 1950s 60s and he was jacked I mean he was like this is you know 1956 it was kind of before most of the steroid stuff was hitting you know I mean there were there were still some steroids back in the 1940s you know the Nazis play with that with the truth but you know I didn't really get into the bottom only culture told Charlie to 60s you know and then the seventies not you know not everywhere right but he was doing this stuff when he if you look up if you look up Vince gironda and look at his physique from the 1940s

50 he's friggin pretty amazing and he's just eating me he was you know his diet was basically I think it was five days of just eating meat and eggs have steak and eggs and then every every one day like every fifth or sixth day you could eat you know whatever so that's what that's what he did so that was his not so that's what he looked like back in nineteen he left probably 50s you know so that's pretty decent for back then you know they jacked well I mean for a Ferrari for a non-steroid guy I mean this yeah and also taking into consideration how

little they really knew about training back there yeah I know yeah they didn't know I mean if you go back into history well well I mean we talked about that but then there's the got any Larry Scott who was like the first mr. Olympia he was another guy that was eating just tons of meat you know for five pounds of meat a day and he wanted to turn Olympian died again you know there's some of their drug use you know and some of this stuff but I was just reading about this stuff and I was just like well I'm you know I'm an athlete I like trying this stuff and so I said well I'm just going to try it for a month so I did it for a month and I was like man I feel pretty good

sighs like well I'm gonna dumb sighs I could get a month I'm like well I'm gonna go back and go back to my ketogenic diet and so I started where that day I did a I did I was like I'm gonna eat some apples a little almond butter you know had some berries and creamy and stuff you'd normally it is a treat and I just didn't feel as good you know like my back started hurting a little bit I was like well maybe that's where someone saw that on one said well I'm just going back to eating meat again well your back started hurting from eating apples well I mean it was just like you know this is one of the things that I've seen and we can talk about this in detail but

I've seen a lot of people what they'll say is you know this what I saw you know when I was working as a surgeon when I put people on a ketogenic diet their joint pain was starting to go away right this is pretty common a lot of people believe that joint pain is connected to the consumption of simple carbohydrates well I think yeah I think it's you know I find carbohydrates I don't know what it is for sure but it's something we eaten most like you know a lot of cases not always but I think there's something out there we're getting I'm pretty convinced is not meet you know that's what I can tell you for sure from what I know you know whether it's

you know sugar whether it's you know processed gluten or wheat or stuff like that whether it's vegetable oil whether it's you know or even some vegetables potentially and so this is what I'm seeing and this is what I saw you know I studied these large Facebook groups like an anthropologist you know like they used to study these people you know a hundred years ago they go out you know Weston Price we go out and see all these people and study their teeth and stuff the problem with that is you know you don't speak their language you know he's pretty remote you can't you got to translate and so some of those are

observations you know while they're valid they're hard to do now you know but so when you go on these groups and you just want you know you notice like reading this like a scientist going okay this guy went on this diet has joint pain away in the sky one of those night and it's tyroid disease went away the sky one in this diet and his skin got psoriasis wanted when I kept seeing this over and over and over and over again I mean thousands of them but the big thing for most people is removing refined carbohydrates removing sugar and a lot of people Dairy yeah I would say

that if that's a good strategy for most people you know here's the deal I don't care what people you didn't eat whatever makes you healthy you know I think this is a thing we had these National guidelines to tell people what to eat but there they don't work for most people obviously I'm looking at look at our country I mean it's just it's sad to see all these people that are you know really really getting sick and so I think you know there's a guy named Vinnie tour to has there's no sugar no grain I think that will that will successfully helped a huge percentage of people you know but I think you have to be objective about it you have to do it long enough for two

have an effect and you know I think you have to you know be really cool be really clinical about it and so one of the big problems I see as a physician and this is a big problem because people will go on a low carb diets or ketogenic diets and they'll say I feel the best I've ever felt in my life I mean my mood is better my mental cognition is better my joints feel better my guts don't hurt my skin is better my sex drive is better everything you would say is that means you're getting healthy and I'll go to their doctor and get some blood drawn

and their cholesterol Bhai and the doctor will say well you're going to kill yourself you're going to have a heart attack right so people get scared away from that and they go back to eating their other stuff and they get then they feel crappy again but they're like well least my cholesterol is not bad so one of the big problems and I've kind of sort of basically preaching this stuff is I think and this is a problem with health care in general is we have so gotten away from just defining what's healthy you know if somebody comes into your office and you say you know you meet you talking for 2-3 mins because Healthcare is just you got 10 minutes to see a patient

make a decision so what you're going to do is like how you doing order a bunch of labs you look at the results of the lads and say okay this lab is low this lab is high this lab to normal go on this drug or you know do this or that and in the patient may be saying why but I feel great or the or maybe conversely may say I feel like crap well your Labs look fine so go exercise a little bit of so let me bring you back to the beginning So you you're you're a physician right so you understand a lot about the human body do what you worried when decide to go on this Carnival

only diet will you worried that you were going to be deficient in some sort of nutrients and vitamins and fiber and all these different things like and where you cautious yeah I mean II was very very I'm still skeptical I mean I mean that's just the way you should be but I mean I was well aware of what's not in me you know if you look at the RDA you know if you look at the already and it says meat is low and and vitamin C slow and manganese it slow and you know potassium it slow and you know bite even a vitamin E there's a whole bunch of things

hello and you know on paper right so I was like why don't I can't Rectify why these people are doing so well just eating meat and we know historically that there are populations out there in the you know what the Masai the Sammy and all these people you know and anyway it's probably the best example right because they had an extremely low incidence of cancer and no vegetables there's nothing up there yeah I mean I mean you know if you go to you know if you go to Northern Alaska in the winter time you good luck trying to find a fruit or vegetable let me not and so but

people would say when they would they would just today would justify say yeah but they had a lot of their organs and got some vitamin C from their liver and you know some of the some of the whale scan had some and so they would try to justify that and try to make this as how it worked and then the same thing the Messiah they would say well sometimes they would eat some berries once in a while so they were always trying to justify them like you know those things aren't available year-round so you know you can't get berries you know it did especially in Alaska or wherever the anyone are you know you can't get it you can't get that 12 months out of here so that's not what's having a significant impact

packed on their diet I don't thinks it's coming from the meat itself well this is this is what this is what I have to do a lot of research on this stuff so we've known so it's interesting so when we look at the development of the rdas you know the recommended daily allowances those are divided those were developed back in the 1940s and they were developed basically for soldiers to figure out what the heck you supposed to feed people so they can survive and so they did research on this and what they did was they take populations of people that are consuming a normal diet like you know back in the 1940s you know people would eat

through everything was fairly high in carbohydrate not as high as it is now by the way but it was a mixed diet and so what they see is you know if you eat that diet and you're deficient in this nutrient if you don't get x amount of this nutrient you're going to develop some sort of nutrient deficiency syndrome so they said okay well we know that this level of nutrient deficiency causes Z so therefore we're going to recommend this you know everybody gets this amount right so but they knew what they found out back even in 1897 there's a study where they're looking at animals and they looked at some

the called thiamine you know they didn't notice climbing back then but they saw that certain animals if they're on a lower carb diet they didn't get this disease where animals on a high card carbohydrate did get this disease and the disease was called beriberi and so that's a fireman deficiency which causes neurologic problems or congestive heart failure type problems and so there are noticing that these animals are on a low carb diet even though they're thiamine levels were really really low they weren't getting diseases so if you look at that and you look at all these other nutrients you know things like man

your knees your manganese has highly required for carbohydrate metabolism and so if you're on a diet where you're not taking any carbohydrate all of a sudden you got to say maybe I don't need as much manganese and despite with the RTA Aces and you can look at that for nutrient after nutrient glucose and vitamin C is a huge one right so vitamin C you don't you don't take vitamin C and you get really really you get scurvy you get sick you diamonds they'll kill you I mean you end up with bleeding in your joy

Point your teeth fall out your gums rot your skin opens up with swords horrible disease and these people are not getting scurvy and so what's happening is we know that a molecule of glucose and a molecule of vitamin C are almost identical and so they compete for the same Transporters and so if you don't have a lot of glucose floating around you need way way less vitamin C really so there's a nation and this has been known for quite a while as well so well that's fascinating because are obviously orange juice tons of glucose tons of vitamin C they're right they did basically count can

each other out and so I think what's happening and this is one of the things I think potentially miss needs to be investigated but I think that a lot of people that we have all these vitamin deficiency vitamin D deficiency magnesium deficiency a lot of that may be caused by just ingesting too much carbohydrate and creating a creating a higher than normal need so basically we're creating higher needs for vitamins now you do blood work on yourself I haven't you know I haven't yet I'm gonna probably do it once I get you know I'm a year at this you haven't done

any no I don't you know here's the deal GI me I've got a lot of people do it all the time I'm not that interested in it because I just don't I don't think it makes that big of a difference for me I'll do it just out of just to satisfy as other people's curiosity I don't really have that much curiosity personally about your blood work now I would think really radical change in your diet where you just consuming only meat I would I would want to see what kind of results I'm getting well I mean it's mean it depends you know if you can tell me what blood test tells me I'm healthy and I don't think you can't well I think if you get a really good doctor want

is different Sheen's HDL cholesterol and LDL cholesterol and free testosterone available and all the different nutrients that are essential and if you get someone who really understands that and can have a comprehensive examination of your blood work I think you could benefit from it greatly but also the knowledge that you can tell them like how do you feel I feel great you know and they can get a look at this what are you eating and what kind of meat you eating where you getting in it yeah so that's an interesting point because I you know we've started this

this you know you know again I was nine I started doing this and got public on it and Twitter and a lot of people were saying well yeah you're you're doing well you're you know I'm breaking some more records and stuff like that let's explain now what record World Records you bright so on the you know so I'm gonna need this so I've been an athlete my whole life jumping I've done look like an athlete with priests tell me all you know about 240 right now but I mean I was you know so when I was when I was younger I played rugby in New Zealand I was playing with about some of the All Blacks you know that high level as before it was perfect that's the name of the team by the way news

don't know it's not a race like please don't play with blacks is that what you think there's even All Blacks you know this is you know yeah you want to know the history on this kind of an interesting sort of thing so back back in the 1900s in New Zealand guys were so fast and there's forwards and back Sforza like the lineman in the backs of the fast guys and they were also super fit and so they said they look like they're all backs but somebody type made a typo so that's all that's interested there but they're they're like the best rugby players in the world you know some people say South Africa's

you have a New Zealand's pretty much the best so I played out of those guys and then I went into wait powerlifting and I had an American record in the deadlift I was developing close to 800 pounds there's a drug-free athlete back in my 30s and then I went on to do some strong man stuff for a few years and then I went on to throwing you know like track and feel like discus and shot put and then the Highland games where you you know you run around with a big caber and wear a kilt and I want to World Championships in that and then you know what I got in my mid-40s I was about close to 300 pounds back then I was about

80 to 85 and I was like man I just can't keep me doing this side so that's why I started diving and stuff and so I got down to pretty lean about to 40-ish where I'm at now and I started doing this into a rowing stuff which is not a concept to so you remember I know you don't Conor McGregor on his you remember the machine he was rolling on me I'm sure it'll on the amendment showing guys know that so I got on there and I started training for that and so what I did was there's a 500-meter row which is you know and this is kind of cheating because highly highly glycolytic I'm

mean it's like it's not like running a marathon like Zach bitter explain glycolytic so glycolytic means you're burning glucose using muscle glycogen now I know you had who's a fell on a couple weeks ago scratcher no it was the other guy with any Galpin okay yeah you say you know you got to have glycogen and I'm like well to do highly electrolytic activity and so this is a highly High glycolytic active it takes about right a minute a minute to minute 30 and that's that's intense you know like you're going all out right and so I was able to break the world the 50-plus world record

that it was when I went out on when it was when I got 250 it was 1 minute 18 point three seconds and so I put it down all the way down to 114 so I took 4 seconds out the world record without a single gram of carbohydrate totally I mean but doesn't when you mean this is one of the issues with the ketogenic diet if you eat too much protein your body converts that protein back to glucose that's one of the things that they were saying that you have to have like the you you're supposed to have like somewhere in the neighborhood of 70% fats 30%

proteins right so this is a this is another sort of thing that I think a lot of people sort of have have questions about one things we know about gluconeogenesis so that's converting protein or fat into glucose is its demand-driven so your body doesn't just make it so if you eat a lot of protein it doesn't just say I'm just going to make a bunch of blood sugar for the heck of it cuz you might as needed so one of the things that glucose is extremely important to the body I mean if you really need it I mean it's absolutely so the nice thing about it is if you

it really really well and the best way to regulate it really really well it's just to make your own so rather than you know getting it from kombucha or you know hitting a bunch of carbs you know where is going to be all over the place so this is what happened Soso ketosis and again I probably spend you know significant periods of time in ketosis but I'm not always in contention that's not the point of this you know but I may I think ptosis is probably a good thing you know periodically but I don't you know like I said I don't think you know we

can talk about evolutionary why would it excuse me for interrupting but why would it very if your diet is not varying why would you be in ketosis or out of ketosis if you're not varying your diet or just eating only meat right so you know because it depends how long ago between meals so if I'm not you no matter what intermittent fast so I intermittent Feast so this is what I think is you know I think this is probably more Pro I will often go well here's funny yes I was in Denver come on I said I went to the big Brazilian you know get down all you

me place and ideas to Haas Korea yeah yeah I just picked up with a shower so I went there and I just I had him come back 50 times wow click I clicked everyone aside 50 freakin orders of food a little bit about six pounds of meat hundred put it away in one setting you ate six pounds of meat that's insane dude yeah yeah so I would so I put away about six pounds and then I'm not hungry for like 30 some hours so I'm basically it's not that I'm intentionally fasting is this I feasted so much that I just don't feel like it

even so I think here's what I think huh you know you haven't why do you think we have an appetite I mean what's the point of an appetite tell you when to eat right right that's exactly right but if you're eating the crappy wrong food your appetites all screwed up so one of the problems we have people eating the wrong food you know we have this all this process garbage it's full of calories sugar and crap but it doesn't have any nutrients in there so every time you're hungry your body saying give me more nutrition well if all you do is pour in garbage your body you're always going to be saying I'm Brian Unger so what's the insulin spikes

that stuff I mean so you want to eat insulin is not you know we need some insulin right we need insulin for muscle growth it's a mutual thing the goal of insulin is nonzero that's what people need to understand it's not we don't our glucose to be 0 we know what our ancient enemy zero but we don't want it always always always spiking and so you know when you eat a big meal of something you're supposed to be eating and all argue that I think me to pretty damn good meal and we can argue we can talk about how it's completed not but so when you do that you know you're just like the next time you're hungry it's time to eat

everybody said I need somebody to energy so you can get from fat when you meet but I also need structure and so by you know eating meat you know you're basically giving your body what it's asking for and I think that works pretty well whose phones no Mom that's very interesting because most people would say you should eat a balanced diet right most people would say that in order to be healthy you should consume certain amount of fruits a certain amount of vegetables you should have some some whole grain

you should eat some meat and if you come along and tell people like this is what I'm doing I mean six pounds of meat and I don't need for 30 hours like this guy's out of his fucking mind yeah I mean I agree I mean it sounds crazy you know 2017 that's crazy it's crap I mean I can't I can point the thousand two thousand people and doing it in an excellent Health which is interesting but I mean you know balanced diet is just a friggin cop-out I mean it's like I don't know what that fucking to tell you so I'm going to tell you to Mom's diet I wish you'd done some blood work so you should to get us some data I mean it seems like

like with someone who's espousing this diet like it'd be nice he had some hard data yeah so I mean you know because I didn't know I was gonna do this I just started doing I'm like well I you know I've already done it so I'll probably get some you know so what do you just decide like am on try this for a month and then just keep going I've tried I said I'm going to try it for a month and I just felt so good I was like well and you've been on it for so I started last December so here wow so wholly whole year I've just eaten me cuz I got to do some blood work done well I probably will I mean that you know but the point is I'm on the point I'm making

is what is it going to tell me her here's the thing we don't know one of the things is you know I'll tell you what I'll probably cuz I've seen hundreds of hundreds of people who've already done blood work so I know it's going to show basically you know so I've gotten we've got this study going we've got all these people are submitting blood work but the you know probably my HDL will go up my triglycerides we go down my blood sugar will stabilize to a low-level my inflammatory markers will be normal just because I've seen lots and lots of other people's blood work or any so I know it's going to show my cholesterol Maybe

up or down and that's and that's something that we a lot of people worried about that and we you know I can talk about cholesterol my view is a pretty worthless marker you know by itself you know you have to take it into context and so there's a you know there's a couple people that are really really intelligent about cholesterol that are really testing this source of one guy's name is Dave Feldman on Twitter's name of Dave Kito there's another guy named Ivor coming Susan Australian things both engineers and so this was what happened this guy date he goes on a ketogenic diet

cholesterol goes sky for a nice like 400 you know way way up there and his doctors freaking out and he's freaking out so he's like I don't understand this I mean I feel great everything about me is just best health I've ever felt in my life so what he does is he starts drawing his blood every single day he gets a blood test and what he finds out is that his blood cholesterol is all over the place one day it's 300 next day's 201 days 350 the next day did so what we can we go to the doctor every six months or a year and they get a blood

cholesterol you something well that's my cholesterol is always that way well he found out that it's so variable they've actually known about this since the 1950s but no one has been talking about so what he figured out he's a systems engineer and he's Engineers are some smart guys I mean I that's one thing I kind of talked about it just because somebody's an MD or PhD doesn't mean they know everything there's a lot of people that are plumbers and whatever they don't have any formal training that can figure they're smart people and they can figure this stuff out so he's in this he's an engineer real smart guy and so what he does is he

girls out to cholesterol is basically all it is is it's traveling around in your blood based on energy flux so how much so if you eat a lot so if you've eaten a whole bunch of food and you're full your liver is saying I don't need to put out a bunch of fat because you can we burn fat as fuel no all even if we're not only teaching died so what it does is it transports fat so when you're hungry you haven't eaten for a while like you fasted for a blood test your liver says we need fat in the Cisco's were low on energy and so it shoots out all this fat

fat and what happens is cholesterol is it is cruising around for a ride so it's just sitting there you know you know as a passenger so depending on how much you've eaten when you've eaten I will change your cholesterol and so it's not a very good marker I mean you can you can find studies that show for all cause mortality like if you're like you and me on a because you're the same age as I am I think you do right visiting yeah we're both happy so if we look at you know and again associational studies are not that great but if you look at that and you say all cause mortality if I'm am I going to die

not if your cholesterol is high you're less likely to die if your cholesterols high you're less likely to get Parkinson's disease if your cholesterols high you're less likely to get a bunch of cancers you know so it's like see you saying that though but most people hear this and they go Bubba if your cholesterol is how you gonna get hardtack well here's the deal will die here's our here's the deal of heart attack so this is interesting because if you know vegetarians are being told me to pick on vegetarians and vegans because you know I know some great ones are great people and I think you know there should be war between us but vegetarians or vegans the number one killer of

vegetarian and vegan is heart disease and that's what kills them to it kills everybody so it's just like you know you know do you trade them I got it off cancer am I going to try to die of heart disease you know which one to pick your poison most people don't understand that the sugar Industries hijacking of Science in the 1950s the way they paid off those scientists to literally false advertise the idea that sugar is safe for you but that saturated fat and cholesterol is what's causing all these issues with people and heart attacks to the

day people just sort of repeat that think they think it's gospel yeah I mean it's in it is it's part of the it's part of the framework of society now I mean it's like what was the push that got you to say I'm just going to eat nothing but meat was there anybody that you knew that was doing it really well that you were talking to did you get some well like I said it was just reading about people online you know you know there's a you know if there's a tell you what if there's a guy named Joe Anderson on Twitter and his handle is Joe Charlene 98 88 98 or 98 this guy you know

it's just a guy who's been doing it for 20 years I'm just like this is pretty cool like I said reading back on that stuff and then just because I'm an athlete I'm like and I don't you know I've never taken drugs and stuff like that and I was always like what can get me to the next level as far as athletic coptics I'm just a really competitive guy I mean I just I just like to you know push myself and see what works I know a lot of savage people that eat mostly meet my friend cam Haynes eats almost all meet occasionally eats like something else but most of what he eats his meat my friend Jocko willing yeah when he's tired he goes I need more steak

it's weird that he eats meat it's a freaking health food I could totally is I mean in your there's a guy named Bobby Maximus who's this guy he was he I guess he was just a man I'm a guy years ago or something like that but I know he did this steak every day thing and I some if we look back into history I mean there's all kinds of accounts of people using meat as an athletic performance enhancer and you know back in the original Greek Olympics those guys knew that they had a lot of meat there perform better you know the beefeaters out of London you know these guys were the guards for the king

as you know they gave them extra meat because I know they would fight better the you know the Mongols you know they just decimated you know all through Asia they basically just ate their horses and their meat that's what they did I travel with that you know and so you've got all these historical examples of people performing better hear the end of it they were laborers they were known to have this incredible work capacity and all that you know they was seal meeting and reindeer and you know stuff like that so what's a typical diet for you like I'd give me a normal day you wake up in the morning so you do I'll tell you what to do so today

I mean you know eating was something you know generally either one meal or two meals depending on what my workout training is going to be so this morning you know cause I knew I was coming up here I trained real early morning was fast so I set a new record by the way in my personal record is doing that but I had a couple of New York strips I had them out two pounds so you a two pounds of meat that's a snack name is that your phone line to keep it a good thing might be might have your little thing on notifications people are saying hey bro seoeon you too bro let me turn it's amazing man

you look just like you so you had to New York strips today yeah I mean that's you know pounds of meat yeah it took me a while to build up to this before you know like a pound of meat would be you know it'll be tough not I can I can put down four pounds at one time with the people looking at you would go well he's the super lean I got obviously whatever you're eating your body is processing it really well when you don't have a you know have what someone think of as a steak eater gut like you tell guy someone guy eats two steaks a day and like

I must have a gut that's all the mashed potatoes macaroni and cheese and bread yummy stuff you eat with it I mean you know I'm just you know I put like I said on that Instagram page I've got you know me exercising doing stuff and you know pictures and even that was something you talked about outside the studio right before we came in that the studies that have been done on people consuming meat and I brought this up as well that there's a lot of misconceptions about these studies because they're not very clear when they say that people

who who eat meat five times a week or more likely to get cancer what they're not telling you is what these people ate along with the meat are they eating cheeseburgers are they eating grass fed beef or it's grass-finished grass-fed you know high in essential fatty acids healthy for you or are they eating some bullshit cheeseburger with a sugary drink like what is the rest of their diet are they consuming a lot of refined carbohydrates so they consuming a lot of sugar are they drinking alcohol they smoking cigarettes

all you're saying is they're eating meat five days a week it's not it's not specifying in any way their actual overall diet yeah they don't they don't sort that very good very well out and so they've got all these epidemiology studies and basically a mediator is basically someone and you know we statistically we know they're more likely to smoke them more likely to drink the more likely not to wear their seatbelt they're more likely to be in accidents or more likely not to go to their doctor or not the more likely just not to care so you've got that's what I mean is that what's this because people because if I tell you I say Joe

eating Meats bad for you and you say FU I don't care I don't care about my health right right so you just don't care so this is it so they can't separate that out so they've got all these studies where they try to separate out let's say We'll kind of what kind of even up the smokers but they never can take that I don't give it up you know I don't know I don't give a fuck right thing out of it and so you've got this stuff and then all the studies are really really low strength so if we look at you know and we can talk about this about me being me being a causing cancer because it wasn't there some concern about that with colon cancer

but if we look at smoking you know when they determined that smoking caused cancer the epidemiology showed a two thousand percent increase in the incidence of Cancer and a lot of studies when they compared that to meat and cancer they found an 18% increase which is nothing I mean it's like it's like it doesn't even matter it's so 10% is in high not not when you look at relative risk right so if your risk if your risk of getting colon cancer is one or say your risk of getting colon cancer is

five in a million right uh-huh and now it's 6 in a million I mean it's like nothing I mean it's just like it's so minor but if your risk is going from five in a million to 300 and a million then you're like well that's pretty powerful rash there's a problem so it depends on the incident so if it's really low to begin with and you only raised about tiny amount it's so small and so what we know there was a guy named Bradford Hill to talk about statistical correlations on

the things actually matter and not to you get to 200% to 300% does it even matter you can't draw any conclusion from that the problem is 203 and percent difference out of like a thousand yeah so instead of two it would be sex something like so instead of people out of towels right so instead of being 18 percent more likely your 200% more like those numbers are confusing to people though the way you're saying right 200% like what when you that's a lot of people right so so you would have to double or triple your

ask okay 18% is not double or triple actually putting it up by it by a fraction right so when you when you separate all that stuff out and then you know there was a you know the World Health Organization two years ago last year two years ago declared that red meat was a class to carcinogen a processed Meats was a Class 1 carcinogen you know they said it's like plutonium and smoking and you know everybody runs to runs all over the place where that why did they do that so here's why they do that so first of all and you can you can go on their website and you know they'll tell

what their what their conclusions were so this was done by an organization called The International Association for research on cancer they're based out of Lyon France and they are that's what the World Health Organization uses to determine their stuff and so they're written in this is you know besides appointment right now the IRC is under under investigation by US Congress for using crappy science and you know promoting a political agenda so I don't know if that's true or not a part of that generated by probably corporations don't like their findings but so they're under investigation

for that but what they say is we have some weak epidemiology which is this 18% stuff but we think we have some strong mechanistic reasons for this right so if everybody you know there's a there's a doctor named George e-e de who's who's a psychiatrist out in Maryland who's got this just remembered that she analyzed the whole thing she has a website called diagnosis diet.com so she did an analyst analysis of all the 800 studies they used and she found that what they ended up doing is most of them

would meet didn't cause cancer there was a small percentage it did they looked at all these rat studies and there was about 20 20 25 rat studies and they found like three or four of them showed meet you know if we gave this type of cancer if we gave this rat a certain amount of meat and we genetically bred them and we gave them a medicine that makes them get cancer that they get a little bit of change in their colon that might turn into camps what medicine to make some get cancer no I don't remember something they there's a special way to make brats get cancer so

I have this model that makes them get cancer really really easy so what they did is they felt why do they do that of a trying to find out if something gives something cancer well because they want to make it they want to be able to you know they want to differentiate that quick as possible because it because I was actually get they got to use a million rats and I can I see what you're saying it's the real fast way to show up they had cancer but the problem with that and she explains every well is that we don't know that they would get cancer it's not shown and the other thing and I when we talked about this before is that if you want to look at rat studies and it's not to say that plants can be cancer but

there are pesticides in plants that have been studied in rats that we eat everyday natural foods and vegetables and fruits that also give rats cancer and so the only difference is we've got you know cement some real evidence decides you mean things that natural compounds that plants extract or the right secrete in order to discourage predation exactly so these natural substances when they feed them to RADS the isolate them and feed them to rats gives a rat's cancer 52 they kept tested 27 I'm sure this is just normal food that we eat

on a daily basis almost if we don't a daily basis so it's not scare people out of eating that stuff right but it's just saying that's how much BS is stuff is based upon but it just seems to me to be so crazy that they would they're doing a cancer study and they give the rat something that induces cancer in order to find out what gives them cancer more so they give them this compound and on top of the compound and they check their diet right I'll see you soon they also feeding sugar with it you know so it's kind of like it's just the way they do it you know and so you know you can you can extrapolate those that really matter to him

you're not so hard to tell and mean there's so many things that animals can eat that we can it's just the whole thing is bizarre yeah I mean we're not rats you know that's interesting you know it's like the same thing when we talked about you know cancer rates in the historical populations you know when Messiah didn't they didn't have much cancer you know until we started feeding them you know the 1940s 30s and stuff like that not until we started feeding them all our crap that they that they started to get those diseases Mmm Yeah that's it's all very strange right when you think about diet and and

health you also have to take into account Geographic the geography that your ancestors evolved in and what they what were they accustomed to eating like there's different adaptations for the anyway for example adaptations to cold they probably have requirements for certain amount of dietary fat yeah I think it's you know this is why things that I think we're all you know this is one of the things that people talk about there's like you know everybody's so different we have all these different genetics we all need special diets I tend to say that you know

but in certain circumstances that make sense but I think you know evolutionary you know we we sort of split from primates you know we had we shared a common ancestor with primates chimpanzees bonobos gorillas somewhere 8 to 10 million years ago we don't know for sure you know it's back and then and so what happens is you know the human the pre humans kind of went one way and then the Apes and chimpanzees went up to swing went up went up into the trees and if you look at you know even the difference between a chimp on them and I'm an ape you know an

Cape not an ape or a gorilla really crushes all these you know these all really fibrous food lots of fiber and stuff like that chimpanzees can't tolerate that as well because they're there: got a little smaller well humans Colin's got way way smaller right and so what happened is why you and I can throw a rock really far you don't a chimpanzee and a chimpanzee can throw him you know if you have a chimpanzee or baseball they can throw in about 20 miles an hour it's not very strong you and I can throw a baseball 60 miles an hour average guy you know if you get

major league baseball player players are thrown in 95 plus right the reason we evolved to do that because we are throwing shit at animals we were hunting right right that's what drove I mean our scapula is rotated you know Tim if you'll get a chimpanzee scapula it's on the side and allows them to Crown climb trees and do this stuff and so these strong climate based evolutionary pressures which drove us to saying you know there's you know you know there's all this Ice Age stuff going on the the climate's drawing out the fruits and then jungles are going away now

it's all this grassland and you know there's not much eat in the grassland you know except for some animals you know people eat some bugs and stuff like that for a while that's what you know chimpanzees even chimpanzees you three percent of their diet you know there's a lot of people super frugivores and always use fruit but even chimpanzees eat about three percent of that comes from killing other animals I mean yeah there's this red colobus monkey somewhere in Uganda or somewhere in Africa the chimpanzees are hunting this thing to Extinction yeah they're they're good little Hunters but yeah there's a David Attenborough

Rihanna it's terrifying you see how organized they are to kill monkeys they have chimps at one end of this tree line and they're coming this way they have chimps on the side and they'd chase them in and they Corner him to Ambush them they get them in the center they just swarm them yeah it's amazing I'm eating you know think about their brain is not even half as big as ours I mean so when human sort of and I think that's I think it's pretty clear that what drove a lot of our evolet Evolution our ability to communicate to strategizing some of the anatomic things was based around hunting I mean honey

I know you're a big hunter Geo and I know it's it's not an easy thing to do you've got to think a lot you know you've got to be pretty smart to outsmart these animals and especially when you're in big groups and have been back then when they've got you know I got 2 Spears basically you know you look at there's a population in Central Europe called the gravettian is right and so if you look at population markers for nutrition right the one of the things they look at is population height so if there's a real topic piped all population of means that they had really good nutrition and so if

the tallest people that probably ever lived where these curved veterans these guys just decimating mammoths I mean they were so efficient at killing mammoths and so that's probably basically all they ate you know for the most part they might have on little vegetables but there they were there advertise it was like 6 foot 2 and this is like 30,000 years ago that's crazy so these they must have been Giants were giants and so the people that have that have sort of genetically related to those people now are people from Croatia in the Netherlands which are again the tallest people in the world the only yeah other group that rivaled that are than the lat

like Africans which are like the what to see in the Messiah which are all about six feet tall and average and their diet is primarily as we know livestock based and then the other tall population historically were the plains in the into particularly the Cheyenne injury Indians and they just lived on mostly Buffalo so it's kind of its kind of interesting as far as what's the best food for nutrition you know and that's what I'm finding from a performance standpoint you know it's just what makes me feel the best work the best do you supplement do you take vitamins or minerals or

anything you know I don't you know what I just you know I kind of you know just yeah well I will say I take some salt you know I saw them I mean you know I'm not have some Himalayan salt or some regular salt how do you normally cook you cook for yourself also time and you get pretty good at cooking steaks yeah so I'll either reverse here you know you know I don't you know how to reverse Syrian reverse sear a steak and I can tell you cook it slowly slowly low heat to about internal temperature of rare and then I throw in the pan for a couple minutes and Stir It Up and then eat it or I'll

throw it on the grill you know depends where I'm where I'm at from California I got a grill here she'll throw it on the grill from back you know another New Mexico I'll just I'll do it I don't know girl there so I do that but that's that you know takes a couple minutes to do so you must do a lot of Supermarket runs second expensive it's got to be an expensive diet yeah so I mean it's you know it depends you know depends on you know again how much I'm probably eating more than he had the average person that does this diet that I'm aware of she only goes about two pounds two pounds of meat and so they can stay down

right and Soma lot of people people that are that are don't have the budget of this do like ground beef and stuff like that and you can do you can eat two pounds of ground beef for under 10 bucks a day which is right way you know it's two cups of Starbucks you know something like that yeah it's actually not that bad for a lot of people now there's also people that have ethical concerns about the consumption of animals especially the consumption of factory farmed animals here on a mass basis of your probably responsible for a whole goddamn field of dead cows yeah so I mean I think that

mean I think I have a concern I think people that eat meat should be concerned about and we're the ones that primarily need to make sure that's not happening and so I think you know as you know you know I would argue that you know since Evolution began humans have been eating meat and that's just what happens in nature you know if you look at how an animal is killed in a while and if a lion takes down a zebra it's not a pleasant experience for that animal and sometimes most of the way that humans kill these animals now you know from a from a Humane say it's pretty darn Humane I'm even as a hunter you know if you hit a

don't you don't get them you know you don't hitting the right spot you got to track him down he's going to be may take an hour yeah or long so the issue is not necessarily even just the eventual death of the animal it's also right life the and owner was killed yeah I agree with that too and so I think that you know you have to look at you know if they animals like if you got chickens in cages and they can't turn around right and they're just cramped in there that's all from that shouldn't be allowed one of the reasons they put chicken in case because I'll pick the hell out of each other

either you know if they don't sin triangle this care each other up so that you know there's different considerations on that you know if you have an animal that you're you know cuz I talk a lot of cattle ranchers and most of them I mean most of them they really care about their animals are out in the snow and the rain making sure their animals are fed making sure they're sheltered you know if an animal goes down there taking care of that so you know there's probably some bad apples out there and if we know about that stuff and some vegan documentary guy wants to make a film about that then yeah those guys should be saying hey don't mistreat your animals you know don't you know in 10

we hurt them don't have them standing in a pile of crap you know give him some getting some fresh air and some some ability to move but you know you know if you like cows or animals in the wild they're hurting animals anyway so they hang out together anyway it's not like if they're indoors now if they're indoors and they've got you know room to move around and they go in and go out I think that'll look that's a big issue and so I think you have to kind of you know you can't just make it all black and white right there's some people that are good at it some people are bad the bad ones need to be made not to do that anymore but I mean it doesn't change the

we all need to eat there's a company called butcher box that will sell you grass-fed grass-finished beef to they send it to you they're one of the sponsors of the show and I've eaten their meats very good and if you're a certain if you're in a place so we have it like a is now like some sort of a

like a like a password or something that we give them to see what you'd find that but there's ways to get you mean you have to search for it though it's not mean that you get you don't really exactly know how the person is Raising it it's hard men even go unless you go to some sort of a farmer's market or something like that okay you can get $10 off plus free bacon by using the code word Rogan at butcher box.com

so butcher box is one option there's I'm sure there's like I said farmers markets are great too you can actually meet the ranchers and you know get a sense of how they raise these animals but I think for health-wise it's really critical to get grass fed grass raise to get the best dude you pay attention to that or do you just take whatever you can get yeah so I think I think you know I think you're right in the fact that if you say what is the most nutrient-dense what is the best quality I can get

grass-fed grass-finished is going to fill that bill now if you compare that to something that was you know fed corn right and given hormones and given antibiotics and what else did I do yeah so you've got those things and it's fed you know great the difference nutritionally compared to you know because you don't have any money and you can't afford to stuff compared to the rest of the crap in the supermarket is you know so so I'll use a use a MMA analogy for you so of grass-fed and grain-fed beef is you know

Conor McGregor or GSP right then this other stuff is say some guy who's like the number three contenders something like that really it's that that close difference isn't you know because you look at hormones and beep you know so you don't need hormones in your meeting right right you don't want antibiotics and your media the right so you're in your grass fed beef even though even the lq kill you've got hormones in that stuff because the animal makes it now horse so you're getting natural Harbor getting on very low level and so what they do is they give those animals generally the same hormones

so it increases the percentage a little bit more compared to what you and I make normally so if they if we look at like nanograms you know maybe and I can remember the numbers exactly but the scale is what's important so if they give you if grass-fed beef gives you five nanograms of estrogen okay grain-fed beef gives you 10 nanograms of estrogen and then you compare it to eggs which give you maybe 90 and you compare it to Dairy which gives you a hundred and ten and then you compare it to

you know if you look at phytoestrogens you know that's and that's in the millions right so things like soybeans and stuff like that and then you compare to what is your body naturally make and that's like 30 or 40 thousand and so it's a really small level so I think if you can afford grass-fed and grain-fed you know I'm not saying how can you solve The World's problems I think if you're just so if we just isolate for health only say you're a poor guy and all you can afford is you know I can't afford is grasping me I can't for 20 bucks a pound for this stuff right

butcher box is still too expensive for me then that's probably still a better option than going back and eating you know the other crap they'll create the Cheetos and you know all this other stuff and even though when you like the organic fruits and stuff like that you know it's just expensive for people so I mean I think it's you know like I said depends on who your audience is you know if you've got unlimited resources and most people don't then you have to say what's you know what's you know from a health standpoint what is most affordable what's practical

Optical how do I get my health back because this is you know I don't like I said I don't really I'm not like saying this is the best time in the world for everybody I'm just saying you need to find out what works for you right basically what you're saying is that grass-fed beef is better but it's only slightly better for you right I mean in the grand scheme of things right so if you're saying I want to be as good as I possibly can be that I said probably grass-fed and grain-fed Grassman is probably better if you're like saying I'm just sick and I don't want to be sick anymore then I'd say get what you can afford so you really think that meat is in some ways

Panacea for health you think that it really if you just eat more meat that your body will be what more vibrant more healthy and what is what is it about meat specifically well I think it's you know so this is another sort of misconception so I think a lot of people it's extremely well absorbed in our body I mean it's look at the end result why we what do we do when we were eating okay what's the end result we eat for two reasons we Elite to get energy and to build an animal tissue I mean you and I are animals or animal tissue

the most efficient way to do that is just to eat something because your body has it has it says everything in the in the proportions and we need it right right it is you know it's a misconception you know when you hear a lot of people will say you know if you need to be a bunch of meat is kind of sit there and rot in your intestines and it's going to putrefied stuff like that so they've done studies on people who have had ileostomy knees and these are people that have had their colon removed right so you've had colon cancer or you know inflammatory bowel disease like Crohn's disease where they

your whole cold and now you got a little bag which you poop into a little bag right so they've looked at people and they've looked at what comes out when they eat meat almost nothing comes out there's a little bit of liquid right so that means all that meat is being absorbed you know but when you eat a bunch of fiber and vegetables and plants all that stuff goes up in the bag because you can't digest it you got to have you have to have bacteria in your colon that do that and humans are not really good at it compared to other primates we're really bad at it what about probiotics so I think probiotics you know

the microbiome is fascinating and there's a lot of research going on there's a lot of people to talk in all about the side effects your help one of the things that we try to say is how do we Define a healthy microbiome you can't yet we just don't know enough there are you know we can't we don't even know everything about the human body and then to put in tens of billions of different bacteria all different different species and say this is the perfect combination that's perfect time we're so far away from knowing that were in the very infancy what that means so what I would say is if you're

healthy you know if your joints don't hurt if everything's going good then probably by definition your microbiome is fine if you're eating just a meat-based diet your microbiome is going to be different in the probiotics are probably not going to make a difference for you but if you're eating again if you're getting a crappy diet you know and you're feeding your gut a bunch of sugar you're going to get this dysbiosis which is bad you know bad bacteria and then you know maybe the private probiotics might help in that situation I'm not convinced you know I don't know I just I just don't

I think there's enough evidence to show that that's a big deal that's interesting so you think that perhaps maybe the probiotics exist or maybe the probiotics are healthy for my

freaking out well audio levels yeah too loud not allowed not long ago I was toxic so the probiotics you think maybe only beneficial if people are consuming a lot of variable things are a varied diet like carbohydrates all sorts of different things and maybe the the probiotics are necessary to sort of balance you out is that what you're thinking I mean that potentially could be the case so you think that the microbiome of someone who eats meat is probably

designed to eat meat what is I mean I you your microbiome reacts to whatever you do how much sleep you get how much exercise you do how much you eat how much stress isn't your Leverage is very very adaptable I can change in a day right you know so whatever you're feeding it chronically is going to change what Mike what bacteria live there so you know it's like this thing about you know again back to his meat putrefaction thing so if we look at the definition of putrefaction you know it sounds awful right is putrefying right putrefaction is the act area of bacteria on

protein right so protein gets in your colon it'll prove to fry right so again we go back to these ileostomy patients they study people that were getting soy protein and meat and guess which one had more protein going into the colon

soy protein yeah so meeting a bunch of soybeans stuff means more proteins going in your column and you're getting more putrefaction that way is that rumor like I know very little about what so I supposed to do to you in terms of like raising your estrogen levels is that supposed to be a real thing well I mean there's a lot of people think so I mean there's some studies that support that I don't know for sure I mean I don't I don't think so is a particularly good food for us I know some people will say that fermented soy you know is it a little better yeah we're that's good for you actually right

what is it called not to not only not I think it's an Asian type thing but yeah you know I'd I think that you know there's certainly some people that think there's a lot of associations guys getting gynecomastia and stuff like that from eating too much so I don't guys really done that I feel like that's one of those things where people just tell you man your bitch tits I you know I've got no idea I never see guys getting that from anything other than steroids yeah I mean they're they're they're supposedly our I don't know for sure I can't say I can't say for sure okay yeah so now that you've been

on this do you plan on you've done it for a year now do you plan on continuing this for life is this your diet now are you going to mix it up a little like right so I'm gonna you know I seriously doubt I will not eat a ton of meat yeah I just think I feel too good I mean I think I want to feel good and perform as good as I can for as long as I can so whether I say and this is what I tell people you know do it for a couple months you know because this is one of the problems so many people have health problems and I think a lot of its food related it's really hard to sort that out you know if you're eating a hundred different types

of food which one is it I don't know I'm going to I'm going to I'm going to drop this out right right so and it's obviously variable in terms of like your own individual biology right so but I mean when you drop down to just meet then it's pretty easy you just say okay I'm only meeting now if I add fruit back in does that F me up or not you know if it does and I'm like man I shouldn't probably eat that right if I Dairy back in so probably there will be a point when I'll say hey I'm gonna you know me you know maybe once in a while I have a you know have some berries again you know

and then to see how I do with that I mean there's nothing wrong with that there are a lot of people I'll tell you that so she's guys have been doing it for five eight ten fifteen years I mean they're like man that's up to the best screws me up and I don't want to do that who was the guy that you were saying did you find that gentleman online young Jamie the you get the tab I had a few people up but I pulled him off which one the guy that he was saying oh Anderson Joanna sudden actually couldn't find him it was can you go out of if you go on my Instagram there is about I don't know

no about a month or two ago I've got a picture I put up four of these people these are all the people that have done it for total of 55 years okay there's one guy's a marathon runner and then these other two couples have been doing it for 20 years another gal there's nothing gallons Kelly Hogan that she was like big morbidly obese woman and she wanted a confident she's not for eight years and she got super lean she was two totally infertile couldn't have kids right super lean carnivore debt three kids later happy as can be all she does is he

hamburgers every day I mean that's right I mean it's if you know the the stories I get you know this is because now I'm this kind of central point I get all these crazy crazy stories people just just from talking about it online just for Todd yeah it's kind of fascinating is that well it's kind of like a little movement I think I think what you'll see over the next year or two there's gonna be a lot more people doing this just to try it you know and I think it's you know it's a crazy some people are going to do it just to say hey it's cool I'm gonna be a carnivore I'm just going to I'm going to screw around when I think there's people that honestly are doing it and they're really

Lee seriously improving their health and I think whatever works is what you should do well I think that the removal of refined carbohydrates almost helps everybody yeah I agree all right send it if not the removal the severe restriction just restrict most cough I mean I think a day a week just have at it have a fucking slice of pizza who gives a shit go to town I don't think there's anything wrong with a cheat day but I think overall refined carbohydrates just do not seem to be a

the nor normal thing for your body to consume well if we look at you know historically I mean you know we didn't start consuming Dairy till about 12,000 years ago and start farming till about the same time so those things are really coming novel you know we didn't start eating all this process stuffed all about a hundred you know Crisco came out in 1910 or something like this all that crap we've invented in the last century and then when high fructose corn syrup came in the 70s all this stuff our human body just hasn't evolved for yet so I think we're getting we're getting seriously messed up at stuff yeah and if

you look at the change in our diet there's a corresponding uptick and diabetes and all sorts of other obesity factors and health issues sugar and refined carbohydrates does the two big ones though the other debate is whether or not eating all this meat is healthy for you and what about diverticulitis have you ever heard about people getting that because I know that's what Brock Lesnar got and one of the things that they said that he got it from just eating mostly meat yeah this is interesting because there's actually a guy named piripi ery to study 2014 he did

colonoscopies right so we actually looking people who was one of the first ones to do this and he looked at people on these diets and he found that the people that ate the highest amount of fiber and had the most bowel movements had the most incidents of diverticulosis of diverticulosis proceeds diverticulitis so diverticula just a little pouch that shoots out from your: seems like a little sack so what happens is that eventually gets infected then you get diverticulitis from people that were developing diverticulosis and most in his study he did two or three like this

the ones that were eating lots of fiber and there's also studies on so that fiber gets caught or something so potentially so the question is what is you know that this is another thing people don't understand you know just because a lot of people when they talk about ketogenic diets and they cut out their fiber like you're going to get all constipated right I mean you know I so I basically I haven't had a bowel movement in a year you know it's got yeah it's not true obviously but so what happens is you just don't make anything I mean you don't all that meat it goes right into your small intestines absorb some next to nothing gets to your colon and so it looks yeah there's nothing

there's hardly anything you see you take little tiny poops exactly what if you like one of those dudes it's backed up you don't even realize it and you got like 20 pounds of undigested isn't that always the funny that's the thing like John Wayne stuff like that but what happens is what was the story well he died with a colon full of stuff but they said we going ball well but I mean who knows probably it was it wasn't me you know look at this Joe if you go to the bathroom and you too much corn he looked on there sometimes there's some corn floating around when's the last time you times almost every time when's the last time you saw a piece of steak floating around in the toilet bone

T-Bone at Major eaten by it but I mean he just doesn't get there I mean it's a total myth and so when we talk about what causes constipation is probably a neurologic things probably a neuromuscular things to them the coal is not correct Contracting correctly it may have to do with electrolyte deficiency certainly varies depending on my diet when I eat a lot of vegetables man it just comes flying out like well it's because you just put more in all right so you're not constantly you're just you're just put your stuff in one of your just shoving more stuff through the tube sort of but it seems like it comes out

like when I drink the craziest thing for short for me is kale shakes when I drink kale shakes whoo hang on Hannah where you going to buy your I mean you're getting a bunch of you know liquid fibers getting here: a lot quicker cleans it all out makes you feel good though well it may be you know some people do but there's no real prize for the most violent when you get into your life that you're not going to get an award for more having more about moments you don't you don't you don't shit yeah are you sure well I'm not a hundred percent sure but I'm not I'm not so but that's lied to again

but most people think that just in all seriousness sort seriousness that that consuming fiber is important for like bowel movements and you overall intestinal health and all that stuff yeah there's no doubt the more fiber eat more battles you're going to have but what happens if you get constipated there's another study about this it looked at people with chronic constipation they were always constipating the only thing that helped them was taking all fiber out of their diet really that there's a study but that's crazy because that's what people like mute what does that come uses

no what is that stuff that want to talk about a beautiful Metamucil cylinder is not like yeah yeah but what happens is what you have is you've got a neuromuscular problem with a colon is not Contracting the right way and so your blacked up and then you just shove more fiber in there and it just fills up more and more and eventually just come maybe you might be able force it all through but that's not you know how that's you know that it's a lot of people will say that I will tell you there's a lot of people tell me five or just jacks up their intestines I mean they feel awful and they take a lot of fiber

huh I have heard that before when people try five or supplements that they have issues now do you very dewy lamb occasionally or Wild game or yeah I mean depends what's available I mean you know I'm pretty happy with with beef but I mean when I was I was in France earlier this year and I had just a bunch of lamb you know that's that's easier to get I'll have some of that chicken you know having a gaming will happen again in gaming since I've started this but I used to have eaten Elka foreign deer and you know chilies and stu stuff like that so that's that's fine

but I mean but you don't necessarily eat a lot of chicken hawks mostly red meat yeah I just find it and there's a lot of people like me to do this they just find chicken is not as satisfying it's just it's probably not as nutritious you know it's just kind of like it doesn't feel as satisfying when you're eating it not so it's probably not you know I think it's just harder yeah I'm always trying to figure out like what is that response that you get when you slice into a steak and it's Juicy and Delicious and your whole body goes like oh well I think that's you know I think that's a primitive thing that goes back a hundred thousand a year

I mean yeah that's like that's like the point of you know all that's hunting we did and it's just what what what kind of satisfies that's why I always try to explain to people that the difference between like domestic beef versus like a slice of like moose tenderloin like the difference in the richness of the flavor and the Darkness of the meat and the the nutrition content of the food is so much higher that the mm is higher to like the one you slice into and you're like oh my God it just your body's like that

more of that there we go that's what we're looking at me I think it's a primal thing I think it's just like this is satisfaction I mean it really is well the vegan Army has they've got their troops pointed in your direction right I'm sure yeah I mean I got a bunch of tweets about you and one of the one of the tweets was talking about your record as a doctor in Mexico and stuff that you and I went back and forth sure so let's let's like get that out and try to figure out what the issue was or all right so

so so you know I was you know like I said I'll just go to my back on a little bit so I you know I go to I go to medical school you know go to you know degree in biology then I go to medical school that I drop out of medical school to play professional rugby you know I just kind of crazy crazy career then I go into the military and I launch nuclear bombs for you know five years you know nuclear bombs yeah that was a nuclear bomb launch officer for about five year deal still launch nuclear bombs well I mean up in Wyoming and Nebraska and Colorado and there'd actually detonate them

no no you know that's where that's where you shoot them from rights okay so he didn't actually launch a but you were working I was out and I was the guy that if we went to war Donald Trump says we want to Nuke North Korea out of and the guy goes boom right but unless I did that so you know they do all this crazy psychological screening to make sure you're not some psychopath you know so I'm just like straight ethical guy that's just like you know you know good you know just a good solid guy that's top secret clearance and all this stuff so I do all this stuff so then I go play rugby and then I get tired I get my head kicked in

I was playing you remember last match has plenty of some Russian team I'm laying on the ground and I just cannot teed off on my head kicking me in the head I got blood coming out of my ears and I'm like I'm 30 years old I'm like f and I'm going to go back to medical school so so I go back to medical school with military pays for it this time so then you know I do my time and you know go through this go through school and my training and graduate top and you know right at the top of my class in medical school because getting Orthopedics you got to you got to be like this one is real competitive so you got to be really at the top of the class to do

so I do that stuff do all my training bust my ass to really well get all these Awards and training then I get to Military and then they send me to war all right so they send me to Afghanistan and this is if it's okay I'll give tell you a little bit of yeah this place so I'm you know I come out of training that long I training and mean this other dude is name's Tom large is excellent excellent surgeon good one of the gusev great guy great people me and him were the only two guys at the main Center in Afghanistan see fly out there takes about three days you go to Bangor Maine and the old lady's give you a lobster bisque on

the way out it's kind of cool then you fly in a turkey and then we sat there for like six hours on a Runway wouldn't let us move they want us off the plane they flashing to Kurdistan which is that used to be part of the Soviet Union Soviet Union so we've got a US base and what was usually the Soviet Union so we stay there for one is freezing cold and then we then we get on this C-130 which is a military planning and you packed in there with the cargo and you fly in Afghanistan they're shooting at just they turn off the lights so that you know so hopefully they'll hit you they're shooting at you come in so we get in there

and then I get off the plane and they put you in his giant Hall with like 300 guys on cots first night and then we go to the first day to go to work right and we're taking over from the Army and I was in here for some time so we're taking over the arm of the first thing rolls in is poor I mean I remember this and it was it was like welcome to fucking War there was a guy Canadian guy who's 23 year old kid his special forces guy you know full beard because you know the Special Forces guys will wear beards because it was so they could blend in right both legs blown right off I mean looking like holy shit you know this is like this

you know stuff that's got real so every day boom boom boom boom trunk crazy trying we would get people blown up by bombs I mean their whole their legs are being on I mean the second third day we got there we had a kid in the 17 year old kid in his Anatomy we're taking your enemies to right he's setting up a roadside bomb to kill our guys right he's from his 17 year old kid from Pakistan It Blow he blows himself up blows up both his legs above the knee blows off one of his arm and most of his hand so he's basically I mean he's got nothing left some were operating on this guy we do

all these operations especially save the kid's life even though he's an enemy because as a physician you just that's just your job right so what happens to this guy is so we fix him up and takes us you know month to get him stabilized and they take them out the gate Afghan Army just goes and shoots him in the head well I think we're like fuck yeah we're like what the hell we doing here you know it's like we're doing all this work a nice cotton kill these people they did that because they knew who he was and what he has done really news an enemy and so you know they don't you know they don't play games don't play games and so on this

the other way to round we saw that seems like a lot of wasted money it is it's a waste it's heartbreaking you know you didn't there and so we getting I'm getting these people they're blown up our Rockets our whole lives can attach to I mean it's likes even if it's the enemy like you're in the military you're working as a surgeon you're overseas you taken care of I mean obviously it's a 17 year old kid right Ike it sounds like not even his fall this is the thing I mean a lot of that it was a Taliban at the time and these guys are like you know if you don't come fight for us we're going

to kill your family right so a lot of these little kids are out there damn sure that they don't know what they want to do it's not wearing a big guys so you kind of do I mean it's like you know it's like hey you know it's not my job to punish these people it's my job to take care of these people so you there when they shot the kid or did you see her own has heard about it we're like what happened to him while he killed you know we heard about several our patience has happened is it's pretty pretty frustrating so we get in there and there's like people like I mean little kids were getting these little kids to three year old kids stepping on land mines legs blown off we had one little three-year-old kid

I mean he was I mean he was I mean somebody drugged him behind a truck for like a mile and they drugged this kid through the streets to the rough asphalt Street and they his legs fucking ripped off I mean his kids Road Rash actually his legs were ripped off he was burned everywhere and wearing her trading this stuff why did they do that to him I don't know just mad at their parents I don't know it's just this is not this is not a life friendly place right this is life is inconsequential there there was a guy there was our art but we had a pediatrician who is talking to this guy who was a

amirite and he was telling us about his tractor right he's real proud he had to track his real expensive have a tractor in there so what he would do because tractors were valuable he would have his kids walk in front of the tractor so they didn't hit any land mines oh my God so if your kid he's like I can make another kid this is this is the mentality there you know it's just God oh my God I can't even hear this I mean it's crazy stuff so we get into imagine you have kids could you imagine telling your fucking

to walk in front of landlines I can do it I mean it would be it would be it would be awful oh Jesus Christ so we get this stuff and then once you know just get scheming gets this keeps getting worse I mean it's like every day we get these people with you know they're blown up in there you're looking at their hip socket you let your like a guy's laying or was late completely gone you can see a spine is hip socket day in and day out we're seeing this stuff we get we had this one we had so he's had some remember Dick Cheney was a vice president right yeah so

he flies into the base right and it was supposed to be secret no one's supposed to know about it but that Telemann guys found out about it right so what they do is they go to our gate set off a suicide bomb and they just kill I mean tons of people and we get all of these casualties and you know most of them most of them are civilians right so we get all these civilian casualties little kids and adults you know in their suicide vests they put all these more you like these metal bearings you know like half inch thick metal bearing

they cover them up and cover them shit so they get infected and they blow through people I mean you get people with stuff going through their brains and shattered bones everywhere and all these people that are just you know dinosaurs Chaos you know all these people get swarmed in and we're getting this stuff all the time this was the biggest one we had and so we were I mean we literally 40 hours straight you're working you know you're trying to save people's lives you know I'm operating with a general surgeon on people's bellies which I'm not trying to do but I'm just helping you trying to do this stuff so in the middle of this operation we're in their operating you know take trying to take care of these people and you're

right in the operating room is just a little I mean it's like a little metal storage building you know it's like a like a little like a little like you're moving you little pods things you know so they stick a couple of operating beds in there and we're going as fast and we're wearing body armor and we have nine millimeter strap to us and we're trying operating you know it's hard to move around it's real small and we're sitting in there and they say hey guys we think there's another bomber inside the hospital you know in the hospital people off so you're if you're going you know your butthole tightens up your life

fuck I gotta keep operating you because I'm trying to save this guy's life so we keep we just like well we're going to go we're going to go right so we just keep we keep operating fortunately they you know they didn't think like oh they thought it is a somebody snuck in as a casualty so they sometimes do that they blow people up and then they'd sneak in as a casualty on blow more people up that change tracks Christ so it's like you know it's got a freaky inside you know I was like what an insane environment how long were you there for six months yeah yeah so that's I mean that's

that's that's pretty crazy stuff so you know we get out of there and you know I mean it was just it was just you know was a tremendous experience I mean it was just like because there was nothing I could see that after that it was like that ain't nothing you know everything I saw after that I just Sergeant was like this is no big deal right right so then I get out and then I you know I get out of the military I do it on the five years is taken care of normal guys and military right doing you take your troops and stuff like that doing fine I work for all these other hospitals and did find and never had any problems and then I get to this other hospital and I

join this group and they make me the head of the group right kind of group it's just like an orthopedic surgery group so and there were when I got there they were like two guys and they weren't doing hardly any business at all of like really slow no one knew they were there you know they were in part of this big huge group handle each other doctor didn't even know they existed so I got there and I said well this is crap one of the reasons because no one was saying anything they refused all these patient I got there and I said hey man I'm going to go talk to all these other doctors and I don't know we're alive that we're here and that

that we're going to see anything you want to send us and we'll take care of it if we can't we'll make sure it gets taken care of the right way so that happened and we started growing right so we went from two guys to 12 guys in about three years and so and we were very very busy real busy group in the Rival group from out of town from across the street didn't really like it that much could we were taking millions of dollars from that mean tens of millions of dollars in their business right because it's worth Pedic surgery is very very lucrative for a hospital you know things like Cardiology where they're putting in a stent and surgery

these procedure based practices make a lot of money for hospital so they really like it right so they're really happy they're happy with me I'm like the you know I'm like to hear oh right because they're like man you're making us a lot of money the group crossed out doesn't like me very much because I'm taking all their money away so they approached us and they said you know why don't you join our group will you know will take care and I said no I don't want to do that and but to my partner's did they eventually left so I'm the only holdout guy but I'm still going up so building the group and so I'm like the head I'm like the head of the snake the Rivalry

right but here's what kind of happened so I'm busy I'm doing well my patients are happy I'm doing really well I've got a low real low complication rates you know you know everybody's you know I'm very popular you know I'm on Billboard's I'm on magazines I'm on a radios you know I'm you know I'm just I'm just their poster board basically right so then as I found with my diet I started seeing patients getting better by just changing their diet and when you look in the Orthopaedic you know like bone disease like our threat there's nothing about died in there I mean you were studying

if somebody comes in your office you know you'll tell them you know we can give you some Tylenol we can give them you some you know another anti-inflammatory drug we can we can stick some cortisone in your knee you know if that doesn't work maybe we'll pay you know Finch send you to physical therapy might put a scope in there and if none of that works on into this is and Stage we're going to replace your name right so what I was Finding you know as I started doing this with patients is that these patients are getting better just by changing or not put him on a ketogenic diet I was at that time I was doing Quito

so I was like hey man try this so mine in my nurse and I had this this is one of the things that kind of very jaded about the way the business side of medicine is now this has been a pretty pretty interesting experience for me so I had to nurse it was just I mean she was a wonderful person I mean the nicest sweetest girl in the world she would work so hard for these patients who take care of you know anything you needed done you tell her hey take care and she was awesome right the hospital said you're staying too late and we have to pay you overtime she's like well I'm taking care of patients but we don't care I don't want you to work late because it cost us too much

wanting so I was just like it was only sings where you're starting to see that you know it's all about the money and then they were like so all these surgeons are you know what as a certain you get used to using certain equipment you know it's like you know I'm using this particular thing to replace people joints and you do it for years and years and years and you get pretty good at so at the hospital said is hey we got a bargain deal with this other company so your guys are going to use that you know we're like no we don't use that we learn how to do this when you're not to use that stuff so they force everybody to do this you know just to say you know what some new surgical equipment is on your side

yeah they will basically you know there's a system it's like if you drive a Ford truck your whole life you know zero I understand what you're saying and then they see no you're going to grab she having it right but this is surgical this is so messed up this sort of knitted the whole reason is that we're going to save you money all the straps were bitching the ones guys were already using like I don't care and this is the other group we don't care but our group was like we don't use this stuff - its stuff we don't even know how to use this right you're not adapt to your not adapt and you're going to compromise patient care a little bit for this so yeah this is one of those things where I was I was very vocal against this I was like man I don't you know

BS is going to this is this is what we're trained on you know we're going to we're going to end up you know there's many patients are going to be problematic from this stuff so that was an aside thing and then there was a system where it's another thing they put in the you know this is one thing that all Physicians hate missing got an electronic medical record yes a computer-based record not that it's a computer-based thing but they're awful I mean they sit there and their main function is to collect billing and to do coding so it's a capture as much information as you can so you can build more

or right that's that's you know why cause people like them so they put this on you and it's like you know it's like really hard to take you know to put good information there because all it does is generate a bunch of data that's totally illegible you can't you look at it it's like you get 20 pages of BS and write two paragraphs of stuff you need right so where'd it all go bad so then we so basically what happened is when I started telling people I don't want to you know I'm tardy to I start talking people out of surgery right I started saying I don't think you need sir

and then I started talking to the minister and say hey guys I really want to spend a day a week just doing lifestyle counseling I don't want to you know I don't want to you know constantly do this because I think this can work on so you making the cutting motion like oh it's costly surgery right so they are basically said no there's no appetite for that your skill is a certain we want you there you know in other words keep making us a lot of money right right so I'm like you know you know and my nurse will tell you man I was printing out I buy made a list of all this reading you remember like Gary I know he had Gary Thompson died

had his book and I had need a tie cause his book on and I had this kind of butter Bob Briggs you know all these ketogenic things references and I was handing them out 2025 though that every single day and I was spending time with the patient's you know because normally you'd only get like eight minutes to see a patient you know figure out the problem figure out a plan go go go and I was like now I'm spending 20 minutes talking these guys about diet and so you know that I'm seeing less patients in the hospital keep saying you know you know we don't we don't really like that so because I was ahead of the

group and I was well liked by everybody I really good patient records I mean really good patient satisfaction you'll really low complication rate I mean they were there like we don't like that so then they go there's something called peer review right so they can just pull your records and say we don't like the way you did this and you know we're going to we're going to we're going to we're going to criticize your work and so they did that and they went through there and with this is one of the things they said well every surgeon will have X amount of complications right it's like you know if

you do you know a hundred surgeries about 5% of the time there's going to be some complications somebody's going to get an infection some is going to bleed too much so I'm going to get a blood clot you know if is an orthopedic surgeon may be one of the screws you put in breaks or somebody those things are all complication that happens to everybody no matter what so what they said is there's there's a low threshold right there's like a we're going to say every year we're going to give you two complications that were your fault right because most of the time you have a complication it's like matters don't like

equipment failure yeah are so they'll say you made the wrong decision that led to a complicate so let's say you get to a year right and it doesn't matter if you do a hundred surgeries a year or you do five hundred surgeries here the number still too right I'm like you know because I was there for like five years and like every year was like one one one one just nothing minimum right one year one year they go back so you had three this year I'm like yeah but I did five times as many surgeries than anybody else and I sent it doesn't matter we're going to work in so put you through peer review so what

they do is they hire remember this other group that I was pissing off and taken ten million dollars a year from they hire their guy that guy to look through my stuff why would they do that because that's what they want to do but why would they do that if that person on the other side is the competition because he was in the position to do it right so and that's not supposed to happen to be like if you were Bellator guy and said I want the Bellator guy to review the UFC right I think Joe Rogan sucks as an announcer I might have a Billet or guy go after him right so it's total

with the mattress right so I you know I'm in I'm like this naive ethical guys like well you know I know I could care and rest for doing fine and then you know I was just like okay well okay that's fine and so they get it back in the guy and they look at these they looked at a dozen cases or save selected you know so I can pick whatever they want and they said well he said I think six these cases were below average you know I don't like the way you documented stuff and this and I disagree what you did so I'm like find they said well that's okay you know you know you're fine

I said what do I need to stop operating some like they say no no no you're fine what we're going to do is we're going to get an independent review right and this is supposed to be someone with no conflicts of interests right so the way this is supposed to happen is that there were supposed to let me see what the case is our and put my comments in there right and they were supposed to supposed to be totally damaged so what they did and did instead is they wouldn't let me know any of the cases they told me you can't see anything right and the guy

would have the conflicts of interest they gave him all of his findings and said under this guy right in this guy and I you know I don't know the situation where this guy but you know I found this out about six months later he is either senile or totally drunk I mean it was just like you know so he gets this report right and it's just bad it's like looks really bad and I'll talk about some of the details in a second buddy that just looks really bad and they come they pulled me off and say we got this really bad in up independent report right and I'm like well what cases where we can't tell you

but it's really bad and we're going to we're going to suspend you privileges We're not gonna let you work here anymore so essentially what you're trying to say is they targeted you and they targeted you because you were changing what you were doing and you were trying to counsel people with lifestyle and they decided to pick on you and try to find things that were wrong and some of the past surgeries that you don't actually I think there's a combination I think there was a combination of being problems we're not some people were doing it intentionally but there was there was definitely possibly some of the and some of that going on but

anyway so they get this report and the guy there's two people everybody off and say you know we're going to shut down you can't go to your clinic you can't talk to anybody you work with we're going to deny you access to all the clinic charts we're going to shut off your email you can't look at anything right like I'm like I just committed murder like I'm some Pariah and then they say then the guy and I'm like you know I'm like I mean it's like some my kid just died I mean this is something I spent my whole life trying for you know I'm doing this stuff and it's like you know I mean

it's like you're like days and confusion um I mean I'm like nah I'm like I don't know I'm like I'm like I'm going to drive my freaking car off a cliff you know you're like suicidal almost you know so the guy comes to meeting you is hey man we got this really bad stuff on you it's going to go really bad we're going to take it to a committee in a couple of days and I think the best thing you can do is just say you're sorry write a letter I'll even help you write this letter you know basically say confess it you did the wrong thing so I'm like you know I didn't I didn't have a lawyer at the time and I know it's going on so I said okay I'll do this and so I write this letter saying yeah

you know I probably could have done no stuff different I don't know what the cases were but probably and so you're saying this without even have reviewed the cases that they're condemning you on absolutely because I was sighs I fuck did you not get a lawyer I did afterwards but I don't know Jesus because I know you know I'd been a straight-laced ethical guy my whole life so when you did afterwards did the lawyer go back and look at that confession or whatever you would call it she says they will this is preposterous because you're not even talking about a specific case where she said it was probably something you shouldn't have done and I yeah Kelsey but this guy was on the committee

that condemn me right so this is a guy that's always they set you up so in some way so this is going to want to say that because you still want to be a doctor well so this is so basically they take this committee right and they hand this report it says all this bad stuff and they hand My Confession right and this is all I had this is basically what they have in going on no one knows anything about the cases and this is all these people that are doctors but they're not surgeons right all they are is it would be like if you were reviewing MMA guys like so it's a you want to kick

the out of the UFC because you said it's performance isn't up to Snuff and you went to a bunch of tennis players and golfers and said okay hey man we don't think he hasn't his take 10% it sucks I see what I said so these people have no friggin clue right right no clue about what and they don't have specific cases to go specification I'm not a lot of talk about this like I don't know the specific cases so then on a railroad job so so then I you know I kind of will come out of this Haze and I look and I said we'll give you a fair hearing since what they call it a ferret

Law requires us to give you a fair hearing right so I get a lawyer and this is expensive as shit you know I'm not not have an income anymore some spend all this money on the lawyers fees and it stay in the hospital to drags out they won't release records for like six months so six months goes by I mean here I got for small kids I'm like fuck am I going to feed my kid my kids are in school I want autistic son and needs therapy and you know this is this is tough you know from going through the stuff so six months ago the later and then I finally get 2 cases right and I started looking

the case is and what the guy wrote and not only of their errors there are egregious errors and there's multiple and they're just horrible I mean they're just so wrong I mean I just wasted the dress senile or drunk I'll give you a couple examples and any with Peak surgeons is listening to us know immediately what I'm talking about but I'll try to make it make sense for other people so of these 12 cases two of them were something called a reverse shoulder replacement so what happens is you have your shoulder wears out you can replace your shoulder right you did shoulder replacement some people yeah what do you put in there

like some sort of an artificial joint yeah so this is what it's this one I'm talking about some normally it's a ball and socket joint right so there's something called a reverse shell replacement which you basically switch it around you put the ball where the socket was and the socket where the ball was which sounds totally crazy right this was developed in France in the 80s and then the FDA approved this in 2004 that's a 2004 was approved in the US and originally it was approved for one reason right if your shoulder is totally arthritic you know real bad Arthur and you don't have a rotator cuff anymore it's completely gone

right so that's what it was first approved for but over the years over the next 5-10 years people started using it for all these other things and getting really really good results with it so if you come in there with a blasted apart shoulder that's crashed and broke and you're an older person people do that all the time and so that's what I did I basically put a noise you know reverse shoulder and a person that broke their arm at this twice and not only did the patient do well I mean the patient was happy as can be they're great they're like no one knew at the outcomes of these patient or this patient is happy as can be but the guy writes because

sold I think or drunker doesn't know the new record he hasn't read literature and he writes he put it in backwards no he puts it's not indicated for the student the only reason to do it is for an arthritic a guy with a missing rotator cuff but he doesn't know that over the last 10 years all kinds of different reasons to use it so he basically tells this committee he's doing the wrong operation When anybody today knows that that's not the case right there's another case there's a guy called it's okay we don't have to keep just going over case after case is gonna get a little drag down but what where does it stand right now

basically what happens is so they dragged us out from a year and a half right and they finally you know and at the end you know I tell it because it because they I got to tell you this part so I go through this is important I go through and compile all these cases right and get all the data to refute this and pull all these references and textbooks and all this stuff and I'm like this is a walk in the park right I'm going to anybody that sees this in their right mind is going to see that they screwed up in his home in all these areas and strong so I see in Discovery process is sent

all this information in and then they fav then they realize that wait a minute there's a lot of errands in here so now they have to pick a hearing officer right who's like the judge right his word goes they pick another they get another search they give me a list of Surgeons to choose from you said you can have any of these guys you want and I look the listen there's one guy you remember that group that I was competing with them he's in that group and I'm like I don't want him because he's on the other group and they said no he just retired

and we went we're going to make you use him right so they pick the judge and then on top of that day pay him now grab so they're paying this guy right so they review all this stuff and I've got this stuff and I'm going through case after case where I'm like the patient didn't get the patient was doing great they didn't get hurt there's nothing wrong with them and the lawyers from the other side I like well you can't do this no harm no foul stuff like what are you talking about you know no one got everybody's doing great but he's like well I think you know you could have done something different or something like that and he like if you look at a malpractice case the

you have to do is prove harm right yep if no one gets hurt there's nothing there and it's not that anyone knowing I'd heard no one did but it's just like so they could so the guy at the end of it goes through he says yeah there were a lot of Errors right and they're paying this guy and they check Jones him but I think you gave patients too much choice in their care which is I'm like what are you talking about you know so if I if I was the criticism was that was that's all they have is to the errors now he said it was really bad errors and then he said you gave patients too much choice

and you didn't document stuff as well as you should have right and I still think that they should have just suspended you so this is this is a decision to make based on that and I will guarantee if anybody was on that committee that knew me because those people who knew me on the committee knew I was a good guy they never had problems when they said that's why they were shocked when this came out but if they knew that information I'm 100% convinced that would be a different so where does it stand so then you know I get done with that and then the state gets involved because state has to respond any complaints of state state gets his complaint said New Mexico

kind of weird cause my next door neighbor's on the State Board I'm just like totally avoiding tax I don't want to influence anything right I'd be giving them flowers know but I just didn't want to do I even told him I said hey my next-door neighbor is on your War right okay I don't want to be totally ethical about this this is a story so I you know they say dues are like flowers yeah well maybe we could maybe give me that elk steak or something yeah so then you know this the board gets this nice a hey man this is this is a bad recommendation and we're going to give you two options you can suspend your license you can voluntarily suspend your surrender your license

or you can go to trial you know we can do another hearing which probably take a year it's going to cost you tons of money you know which I don't know I'm just tired of this I'm tired of lawyers spending all this money and I'm not I'm still trying to figure how am I going to feed my kids so then you know the states is or what you can do is we'll send you to a place to evaluate you independently and then if everything goes well we'll give you a license back so that's I said okay that's what I'm gonna do is I'm tired as I don't want to spend $100,000 and wait a year what I can go to this place and spend $12,000 and get evaluated

go from there so I was that's where I was this week in fact I was in Denver meeting with these other surgeon they're just like going through all these Case Case Case what would you do what would you do what would you do and I am clearly even though I've done this stuff in two years I'm clearly convinced that they're going to say hey man you're fine and they're going to say here go operate with somebody for they allowed to look at those cases where you were judged upon poorly they're not they're not they're not because I wanted to be totally in fucking insane so how do you make a living now I'm living off my savings you know

I saved up some money so I live in off that and that's mostly yet you know so I'm just kind of slowly watching my savings dwindle down Jesus Christ that's got to be stressful and it's kind of stressful I mean you know I've got a girlfriend makes a good living but I don't want to be you know but I've got kids who we've got kids I've got a kid with her and I've got three kids of my ex-wife and they're all young kids and so I'm back in the Swiss I'm traveling back in time man back and forth you know trying to support these kids I had to pull my kids out of school at the time a different school because they can wasn't there anymore and yeah it's so it's kind of a pain that's kind of it kind of sucks

so where's the stand as far as like getting your license reinstated yeah so probably so I was just in Denver they say it'll take about eight weeks so they'll give me a go get me a plan they'll say okay we think that you know I am almost a hundred percent convinced they're going to say you know we need you to go work with some dude for a couple months because you're out of practice and I think I'll probably end up doing that then the board the state board will review what they say and how they say hey man you're you know what you're doing they'll give it back to me so it's saying yeah so anyway it's you know

it's again I don't blame the State Board I don't blame the people who are on the committee because they were clueless I didn't know what I blame some incompetence by the administrators you know and just whoever reviewed me you know if it were a caveman times job you're the big club and like what the right after you know I understand and that's that's very disheartening but it's I've I have a friend who's going through a very similar type situation who's also a surgeon there's a yeah it's theirs I think people need to understand that

medical business is in fact a business and we think of hospitals as being these completely you know egalitarian places that just they exist to heal people and to do the best job they sort of do but they also they need to make a lot of money well I got a pig like them yeah I understand that but there's a point where you know it's kind of like you've got to make a decision between patient care and you know yeah the CEO making making a life know they do that with animals to I mean you got to be real

be careful I had a friend who had a recent situation happen with his dog where there were telling his dog him his dog needed to get some crazy surgery and he didn't have the money for it and he's like are you sure you sure they need to any said I had to ask them over and over and over again and he said and finally the veterinarian said well we could try a steroid on the dog and see if that works fucking fixed it a hundred percent and the steroid cost like a hundred fifty bucks versus some $30,000 surgery but they kept pushing the

which would have fuse the dogs discs they were like this needs to happen need to do this and he's like it's just there's no other options we've exhausted all possible options and then finally after asking over and over and over again she suggested meekly this which instantly fixed it yeah it's kind of been like two months the dog was a hundred percent you know it's got out because I know he had Chris Chris around here well I'm going to listen a little bit of stuff and then in his premise at the beginning which I haven't read this book yet but I think it's great I mean here's a problem Western medicine you know

we are facing that us I mean it's like a war against chronic disease it's like we're being invaded by you know remember Independence Day with that all yes you know and doctors we got BB guns I mean the stuff we are shooting at them doesn't work for chronic disease now cute stuff it's different you know there's some stuff that we have this wonderful technology but the run-of-the-mill diabetes and obesity doctors are great for fixing broken jump joyous broke as long as there's no doubt about that even even like arthritis that I saw every day you know if we were trained properly

nutrition and exercise you know that's what I've done my whole life you know I know what I'm doing exercise wise but you know if we were allowed to do that and instead of training all these you know Radiology technicians and blood draw technicians and nursing assistants if you had an army of preventive people right of medicine people you know and then we train all these people to go into people's homes yeah I think Chris was talking about that and just get the crap out of their diet and show them how to be healthier you know I mean you would use

I'd save you know it's funny watching the politicians debate about health care how to fund it you know it's like you guys are arguing about the Titanic as it's coming up an iceberg and you're not you're arguing about the color of the deck chairs I mean we are going over a cliff and then we're not fixing it by keeping putting Band-Aids you're not going to write your the technology is not going to fix diabetes nutrition is you know that this is your dear essentially dealing with the problem when it's already gotten to a point where you're in the hospital yeah I mean there's you know like I said there's a guy Peter a TIA

if you know he is but he talks about when he was a certain he felt like he was at the bottom of a building and somebody's throwing eggs off and his job is to catch the eggs are gone right and he's like why would it have a guy stop fucking throwing out of here that's what medicine is you're just getting the eggs and so instead of that we should be investing you know all we talk about prevention but it's bullshit we don't do anything for prevention it's so little and little problem the problem is a lot of it is it doesn't work the way we've designed it you know yeah there's a there's a lot of money in fixing you

you and there's not a whole lot of money and telling you to eat well no there's not there's not enough and but it is a changing climate though with because of people like Chris Crosser and Rob wolf and dr. Rhonda Patrick and a lot of others they're giving out really good nutrition advice and people changing the way they eat and think about food and it's having a massive effect on the information that they carry their body I know so many people that used to have joint pain a great example is

the Primal kitchen just marks Essence book which is fantastic and his story Mark's story about having his own inflammatory issues with his hands he had some pretty severe arthritis that he thought was just going to be with him forever he changed his diet reduces all the refined carbohydrates it goes on this protein high fat diet it all goes away I mean looked yeah there's so many examples of that and I just watched this documentary called what's with wheat and it's all about

about glyphosate in the wheat Roundup and how when they say it's safe for people to consume they say what only affects plants and bacteria they like what about your microbiome your microbiome is filled with bacteria you're killing that stuff like we don't think of that as being an issue you know we don't think of sedentary lifestyle as being an issue when it comes to the the ultimate cause for you to wind up in the hospital needing surgery but it absolutely

is it is I can tell you one of the things I used to see because you know when you're when you're searching you like someone comes with bad arthritis in your place her name and they feel better for a while you're like oh that's great man I really hope this person then they come in next year and there are other knees all jacked up and then you replace that well you should have just done something so they didn't need our threaded didn't get you know didn't need surgery on another time that's yeah I've had conversations with people that their dad that needs an artificial knee and I'm like are you sure yeah are you sure like yeah he's limping bad I mean he really can't take it anymore

more like a view exhausted all possible options like what have you done about the diet no he won't he's not into that he's always not into that okay here's a problem because no one's demonstrated the dye works but I will tell you this is this is a specimen you know well no one's demonstrated it in terms of like scientific right but I will tell you that you know just because I told you not because I'm a freak because I'm just eating me and I'm doing this Athletics up and nobody says you're an outlier your genetic free whatever right you're an N equals 1 so we made this website called n equals many - other Air Force guy that he's

record of our we got this thing we said well what if people started gathering this information together and we could start documenting that that's what we did so we put out a survey on Twitter I said hey how many you guys would be willing to go 90 days just eat a bunch of steaks and I had like 400 I don't have that many followers by like 400 people yeah we'll do it that's amazing so we put the weed and we developed this website and its called n equals mania.com for people want to see so we developed this website and we can we start getting these first and equal sign or EQ EQ spell I don't think I put an equals

Ana website now and he Q UA LL okay Manny right so we do this and we get all these people that sign up and we ended up having a bottle close to a hundred people just do 90 days of just eating meat and then we and it's and again there's a lot of scientific route things you can criticize about this you know it's just guys ate me anecdotal stuff anecdotal stuff but you know when we got done and I've got the results are we just want you know we're still analyzing the data convert all doing this for free and we're not you know we're trying to

People Help Us analyze the data and you know but of these hundred people you know there's about 85 actually of these people we asked them what happened to your General Health what happened your sexual health what happened to your Exercise capacity what happened your GI Health your skin right every we asked all these questions and all there was maybe one percent or they said I got worse 99% got better much better or say to say you know it was just like unanimously everybody got you know pretty much either the same it is it is it possible that there's

I'm biased in that group because they're following you absolutely I'd be I'm fully aware that right and that's that's you know that's but it's interesting but then we're getting some little abdic I know you like about lab data so I get people and I don't have access to all the data and I didn't want it I didn't want to have access to that I don't want to bias myself against it so I'm getting fed the data and I'm seeing that people's blood pressure is normalizing people's hemoglobin A1c which is measure and measure glucose is normalizing people's inflammation markers are normalizing you know all these markers of disease

are going in the right direction you know Rob we're just seeing good stuff you know because a lot of the people will say meat causes diabetes me causes hypertension see I've got only time I've ever seen me causes diabetes isn't that wacky what the health documented which has been widely disproven you know we had on it we wrote a whole piece about that debunking that like how much stuff in that is like fake science like what they're saying about meat causing diabetes there's no evidence of that yeah I mean they look some estate use an associational stuff and that's all they ever do I mean it's like some associations yeah but there

putting it out as if it's a hundred percent factual and like the sounding the alarms like this is what's causing diabetes it's meat be while they're completely ignoring the consumption of all these refined carbohydrates these people are eating with the meat yeah I mean hundred percent I mean that's totally true I mean the you know and so one of the thing is so nice about studying these people they're just eating me time you isolate that's really very lonely and isolating so we know what happens when you just eat no are they allowed to take supplements during the time we had we had so many we would the what we said was documented yeah

him document stuff and some of them do some you know it's kind of like one of those things where we because we've never done this before and like we're in we made them document all kinds of stuff and a lot of people some of the people initially dropped out cause we made him document too much stuff like it's too much of a hassle I can write worldly stuff so we had certain percentage dropped out because it just didn't want to document stuff we had a certain percentage of dropped out because they didn't feel they felt like they had a low energy right and so a lot of people when they do this they just can't eat very much I mean the full and they're not eating enough and so that's one of the biggest things I tell people when they switch over this

at me like it's your job that's why I tell them you got to eat EDD initially and then they just eat till they're not hungry anymore well the problem is you the problem is a lot of people lose weight on this you know a lot of people get to lean on this stuff is that you know your hunger goes down pretty low because you're you know you're eating a lot of fattening a lot of protein you know especially if you're eating three and ribeye steaks you know it's probably about 70% fat 30% protein something like that so I mean it's really really satisfying and so you know they end up they tend up they tend to under because no one's used to like if

told you Joe go eat four pounds of meat a day you're going to be like I mean I know you like eating meat but I mean even that's probably a big test a lot it's a lot you know and so to get used to that it takes a while yeah you know it depends on your activity level because I work out pretty damn hard and I do it pretty often so I mean you do some crazy shit man it's all your box jumps yeah yeah I mean I you know this is like I said this is a you know back to that glycolytic stuff I do I mean I'm you know I'm my capacity to exercise great and one of the things is because I felt no different

France I'm sorry to interrupt you but you felt no difference between going from the ketogenic diet to eating meat or did it feel like you had more energy and more energy I had better libido you know you wake up every day you know you're ready to go you know it's like you know I've had a couple people that I haven't test this but I've had a couple people have done this and again we need to get more data I've had a couple done it said their testosterone level went up you know they went on all meet their testosterone went up about 20% and so I don't like well that's interesting you know I don't put a lot of faith and

couple of anecdotes that happens to a lot of people that go on the ketogenic diet because the cholesterol is actually the precursor to testosterone sure absolutely yeah it's kind of interesting if you look at you know red meat consumption in the US and spot 1977 so red meat has gone down about 30 to 40 percent really yeah we used to be way more in the seventies we ate about 30 to 40% more red meat than we do now no kidding yep and also our testosterone levels have dropped significantly population testosterone levels have dropped about that same amount I'm not

people eat a lot of red mean I would have never imagined we less now we listen we used to wow yeah there's another interesting fact Hong Kong right Hong Kong right now if you look up you Google Hong Kong life expectancy they live the longest out of anybody on the world right they eat about 40% more red meat than we do in the US and they don't know and they have the longest live people in the world which is interesting yeah I'd read something that said that a hundred percent of all people that live over

under it no it was some high number of all people that live over a hundred consume red meat yeah I don't doubt it you know it's interesting because you know that the another vegan is really like to point out Okinawa it's a Blue Zone and alien vessels they looked at the people that lived over a hundred in in Okinawa none of them were vegetarians all of them ate meat yeah so it's there's not a lot of not a lot of good solid evidence that being a vegan is a solution to a long life well I mean you know that you know obviously there's different propaganda out there and I think you know here's what I'd say

you know if you want to do veganism and it makes you healthy fun most people can't do it I mean we know that about right but but the thing is we're not just talking about if you want to do it we're talking about people that are proselytizing like they have this idea and they push this idea down everybody's throats but if we're just looking at the actual data the Health Data like what's good for you once bad for you it's there's no like overwhelming evidence that the vegan way is the way to go now there's not I mean they're there their studies they like to push but there's also studies that show that you know the opposite

if you look at the Epic Oxford study which had about 60 thousand people in it you know they showed that vegetarians vegans live no longer than meat eaters there's no difference right even though the meat eaters are probably the guys that don't care about their health true so they maintain not only is it not protective it may be a negative you can look at a study at Austria they looked at 240,000 people called the 45 and up study same thing vegans vegetarians no Lo no lever no longer life no better health so it's kind of like you know who do you believe in these guys have their studies if they're going to quote and you can

chair and I can cherry-pick all day and other people can cherry-pick all day it's just BSO my best Advantage advice is and this is I think the best advice you can give anybody you know until we start seeing dudes walking around that are in shape and jacked it a hundred twenty years old you're not going to know what the right thing to do is and so the best advice you can have is to get strong get healthy you don't move well do everything you can to make your health good and that's the best you can do because if you're healthy today odds are you're going to be healthier tomorrow so you know

you know Joe you're still got a lot of muscle on you at 50 means you're more likely to have someone you're 60 I mean there's this no not that's the biggest correlator the best one of the best predictors of long life is your Exercise capacity and I think we should bring this up while we're talking about vegan diets or some other diets if you have a standard American diet of even eating a bunch of shitty food and fried chicken and bullshit and cheeseburgers and so it is and you go vegan you will be healthier sure because you're going to remove all that shitty processed food out of your day

died all the nitrites all the stuff that's unnecessary all the preservatives if you do that you will be healthier but it doesn't necessarily mean the vegan diets the way to go I mean it just it means that the American diet that everybody like rightly criticized is the wrong way to go vegan diet certainly better than that yeah I mean you can do but anytime it's better than that I'm yeah that's like a lot of things you know this is another point I bring on you know because one of the one of the differences between what I sort of think is healthy and I don't I'll come out and say I don't know if

your I'm still learning the stuff but I'm willing to investigate it and I'm willing to put my body to test and have other people no give me data but what I what we want there's a big group out there says you shouldn't eat a lot of protein you should really restrict your protein there are some data that talks about something called mtor that you know maybe you know it causes cancer maybe inhibits longevity and then these lesser animals like mice and a little tadpole nematode things and you know Brian and then there's another group of scientists

us out there was getting Stuart Phillips out of Canada that's looking at that and it shows that you know the more protein you have especially when you get older the longer you're going to preserve muscle the better quality life isn't likely long as you're going to live you know and so what you know what happens if you autopsy and old person you get some of you and you go to an old folks home their brain has shrunk me their muscles of shrunken away the protein in their bones of shrunken away their kidneys have shrunk their heart has shrunk their skin has shrunk everything shrunk because lost all this protein and what happens is

as you get older and older you lose some of the capacity to digest meat and so what happens is where does your body get that protein from it just starts taking it from yourself you start AutoCAD mm cannibalizing yourself to sustain function you know it sustained cellular function so if you're not getting that replaced you know through diet and meat is outstanding source of that you know you're going to be further and further you know we have an obesity epidemic but we also have a Frailty epidemic there are people that are just I mean by the time they're 40

they may be obese but they're weak as can be yeah there's so many people that just sedentary Lifestyles one of the biggest killers of your body for sure and there's so many people that you look at him like I was talking to a guy the other day and it looked like you could just grab his arm and pull it off his body like his shoulders were sunk in there was like no muscle tone at all he had no exercise is that there was none in his life ever like maybe they made him do gym in high school and that was it and he just younger than me he was falling apart so I can not you know

good night 50 are like the bar for a healthy 50 or normal 50 year old is you know way down low and you know we're like total outliers you know this effectively exercise and have a little muscle I mean I that puts you in the 99% all right and it's interesting if you just continue it the thing about it is like I if I take a week off man boy do I feel it more that 50 than I did at third no it's crazy that's true but I could still get back in shape and once you get back in shape you just got to keep it going and if you just keep it going it will work for you

you bought it's what we compare it's really interesting because what we compare in terms of normal body function like the normal capacity that your body has we're really generally looking at people that are just the average person will the average person doesn't really exercise very hard they don't so we don't have a lot of data on people that are in their 50s is still go you know what I'm not letting this go I'm going to keep his fucking body strong I'm going to make sure I lift heavy weights I'm going to do hard cardio I'm going to do sprinting and kickboxing and a bunch of

shit that requires explosive energy and if you do that your body can stay vibrant but you have to be diligent it's very important for people to understand this is not if you're just a casual person who just kind of like half-asses oh maybe we'll take a spin class good luck bitch your body's going to die it's going to rot off and fall apart but if you just decide to be militant about this you can keep a functional body far longer and it's not just about ego it's also just about the use of your

meet vehicle like my body could do a lot of shit that most people's bodies can't like if I want to pick something up I don't have to call somebody I just pick it up you know and that just that alone you know to know that you can carry yourself to know that you can do 50 chin-ups to know that you can move your body around in a way that most people find to be almost impossible it's like I want my body to work better you know it's like having a race car and you can choose what horsepower engine it is based on how much work you put on it I mean that's essentially what your

as you can choose how much tried you have in your tires you can choose how good the suspension is how Supple it is and how well it can maneuver based on how much pyogenic exercises you do or how many different explosive maneuvers you know clean and presses and things along those lines you can get that body to work right yeah I think that you know if you look at animals in the wild right you know if you're looking at a pack of animals getting hunted which one is going to get killed which one are they going to pick out their Flair to the frail the slow week one the old one so if you're a human and we don't get hunted by a lie

Lions but if you're a human if you say you know my when was my Peak athleticism you know maybe 25 maybe 30 you know somewhere in our 33rd 35 somewhere in there that's like your that's your top performance for most people yeah it's a closer you can maintain to that ability as long as you possibly can and do whatever it takes to get there the farther you are away from Death I mean that's just that's just simple nature you know yeah slow the week they get eaten they die they get disease they become disabled I don't want to be a you know I'm 15 I don't want to be a 60 year old guys walking around limping around you know needing

assistant somebody that you know lift my groceries for me in this what we have or even a woman I mean women should be out there strength training getting stronger swinging heavy kettlebells jumping that's the other thing that you brought up explosiveness because I think we're finally starting to see you know we finally went away from jogging right you know we went from the 1960s to the early 2000s everybody's jogging that's what you do for health then people started discovering strength training so now we get people that are in there lifting a little bit but I think what you also have to do and this is something cuz I've got this whole training system that

you know helping people with but I think you have to do the explosive work too yeah I do you know I get in there with medicine balls and I think a lot of you want to use I take medicine balls and I try to break the fucking things I mean I throw them at hard as I can you know I'm jumping like I said I'm jumping with a vest on the other stuff you have to build up to it has to be done in a safe manner you know what I'm spraying them on are done by you've been on are dying yeah yeah I love those I can just those are the as I said you gotta get one for here yeah we're getting one good ones no here's what I would tell you to do

company called octane Fitness it makes an air Dynex it's probably better than that are assault bike really yeah pull that up aha what's it called octane Fitness scared I next 9x what's better about it it's just solid I mean it's solid as can be I mean it's just it's just you just you know in my view you know because I've done I don't everything trami a broken World Records on the concept to so I know how to do the intense stuff that aerodyne those type things in the best thing you can do for those short Sprint's I mean they're still out there yeah there's so many

follically demanding I mean I don't know if they charge I mean I think they're the only things I've always had reservations about it's like the sitting down part as far as what well I could feel that like you would get more exercise of you're supporting your body weight well I mean you know I don't you know there's a skier you can do stuff like that you know right but I mean if you if you get on that thing and you go as hard as you fucking can for 30 seconds or a minute two minutes even more cement every time idea from it I feel like I'm literally going to drowned I'm going to die you know it's just like because I you know here's what I do I tell I call

things chainsaw intervals so I tell people pretend there's some fucking Maniac with a chainsaw she was gonna go as hard as you can tell there's a I've got it I've got don't have that at home I've got to order the regular down version I keep breaking the damn thing because I go too hard you know it's just not strong enough but when I go to the commercial gym there's a guy that they just made that and they showed a totally had me doing it ahead of there's another MMA guy that made I can't remember any members name but he was like a pride Champion guy I'm like Pride six or seven they wanted and he's at the gym I'm at sometimes in Southern California

me but but I mean that thing is you just tried to do you have those I'm sure those guys would come up here and let you demo it you know and just get on there and go you know this is the thing I talk about when I talk about high intensity interval training you know a lot of people they don't get the high-intensity part you know the do they'll do two bottles where they'll go 90% a hundred percent of the first one in the by the time the third one there down to like 60% right because the rest intervals are too short so I'm like man go like somebody going to kill you for 20 seconds and then rest three or four minutes and then go again because then you keep hitting

and that's what I do with exercise when it comes to weight lifting I take big breaks now used to for weightlifting I used to do like I start to burn myself out go to failure short is like if I get 30 seconds break I come on next step next set I mean I don't do that anymore the problem with that as you're just tired and that's what you're training at the time now there's a time to do the training you know like I said you know what I break it up I tell people how to train them like look you train it for explosive and that's the only thing you care about you don't get tired because you're going to you're going to you're going to waste you're not going to be an intense enough the same

thing with the sprinting the same thing with the lift and give yourself enough of a break so that you can focus and do what you need to do then when it's conditioning time then you can go get tired right shits right do it with light weights yeah it's you that's one of the problems with like you know I think CrossFit there's a lot of good elements to their I mean there's a lot of people that do well with it but some of the exercises they pick you know like when you get tired doing snatches the odds of you getting fucked up our high very high so I'm always I tell people do something that's you know it's hard and it's tiring and when you get tired in your form breaks down you're not

I get hurt you know she may do medicine ball slams right if you're jumping up and down on a box and then you fuck up right your shins bloody you know what's the point of that so I'll read you know I just have a little ropes are a great one for that too there's no consequence to be to exhaust exactly I think that's that's the way to do that and I've been you know I've been training now for almost 40 years you don't I haven't taken a week off take a week off is all that y'all take a week off and same thing with you I know is you take too much time you just don't feel good and that's the other thing about this diet my recovery passage capacity is huge I mean I can train

super intense every single day you know without a break which is kind of nice I mean this is the other thing that I get people telling me all the time is you know they're I mean they're hitting PR es en deadlifts are doing all this personal record for non-athletes yeah I'm sorry so I'm not used to it you know yeah you know not but I mean it's like you know I get these people all the time they're like man I'm hitting push-up records chin up records but deadlift went up a hundred pounds in three months from just eating meat and stuff like that so I think there's something to it I mean I have people that are telling me my dad I put my dad missed

right he's 74 years old two months in the diet he goes hey man this is biggest my biceps ever been in my life he's just eating meat that is crazy so he's like he just putting on muscle just because he's taken in so much animal tissue so listen man keep us posted on this keep me posted on like how your yeah you know your own personal Journeys gone and whatever evidence that you collect with other people and I'm very curious I'm curious about this I might give it a try for one month yeah here's what I'll tell you co so January as do it in January World carnivore month

all right Jesus so we're trying to get as many people we get thousands of people on there and just give us your data at n equals many dot-coms do a month and you world carnivore month there's instructions on how to do that and this submit your day you're going to do you say you allowed to eat anything else yeah so I tell people you can eat meat eggs dairy you know cheese you know you can drink coffee stuff like that so we didn't we just know vegetables for a month no fruits and vegetables for one no plans for a month see you put the seasoning on I'm gonna get a chance I'll give it a chance I'll try I'll try some month one month I don't know if I can do January well try to find a month tell me

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