#1496 - Colion Noir

Jun 23, 2020

Colion Noir is a gun rights activist, lawyer, member of the National Rifle Association. Check out more of his content on his YouTube channel: 

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time of great unrest this would be a good time to discuss what is important about the Second Amendment and and a very educated persons take on it so please welcome kolyan Noir

The Joe Rogan Experience trained by day Joe Rogan podcast by night all day and we lat hey great to see thank you for being here appreciate you Man O'War this just for you hey yeah like it and thank you for the gift to man you just pandering at this point brother no come on man I do it I had it I knew it I had to go find it my daughter's friend's ex-boyfriend worked for clock okay okay ya know how to get your gift man

It's My Life pot it's like my portable safe because you know I here in California you have to if you're going to travel with the firearm right has to be in a locked case right and so when I travel out here to California I do bring a firearm with me I can't carry because you know my license isn't working either side here but I can't keep a gun in like my hotel and what do you have to do do like Ted Nugent can carry everywhere hmm because he's like a sheriff or something yeah there's always you know you had the whole special licenses yeah you gotta you gotta you ever see that Steven Seagal mucho the TV show

so when he was a cop it's like Steven Seagal Lawman or some shit but it takes so I think I was younger one--he when it came out it was a real cop like he was arresting people like you should you should have been people's houses you know with a gun drought of the like you fucking Steven Seagal like hey man what's going on here wait hold on it was like a reality show reality so this is it right here yeah and he would pull people end because he was in New Orleans he developed this give me some volume on this you could hear his accent

we'll get we'll get kicked off of YouTube if we give us a volume but you got to watch on your own he developed his like see his Louisiana has he did oh yes he did oh yes he did yes he did it was me and my friend Tom Segura is favorite show talk to each other about great things I grew up watching this dude it sounds foot like he's literally running around yeah very sick people ridiculous I make fun of that dude all the time and he deserves it but he was a legit Aikido Master fact that we're looking for is sitting on the ground

right there see now that's a normal accent it varies it varies widely and wildly depending upon who he's actually talking to this is surreal sometimes he's talking to certain folks he'll put on like a deep lousy and so how do I open this bad boy so this your brand yes so basically I teamed up with this company called vaulteq that's when you know you're a real gun not we got your own guns I think it only made sense so how do I open this thing alright so basically there isn't a battery in it yet but what you would do is

you see those clients on the side yeah so you put the clamps on that makes it water tight okay and so it's more it's a lifestyle case also lifestyle yeah so like there are people I just did a post where somebody was on a jet ski and he had his like all his valuables and contents in there and because the flow okay oh I see I see you saying so he dropped in the water anything like that it says here the pew pew pew life get it done people don't know what the fuck that means you say QQ life yeah they've got people are not going to be not excuse me not gonna yeah no they don't know the kind of

what church you mean like peas in a turtle cat circles like no does that mean pew pew like stinky like I've always shirt one time and he was like what's this pew pew and sickness I mean I was like guns he's like oh oh geez people's this is one of the reasons why I contacted you I contact you right when the Looting hit because that's racist no because there are a lot of white people looting yeah it was a thing where I recognized that there was a giant shift in people's perception of the Second Amendment and I said

this is a good time for you again pretty sure to brother yeah because you're out there beating the drums and sounding the alarms and all these people that are anti Second Amendment people were a lot of these motherfuckers that were lined up in California trying to buy a gun last minute because as soon as the lockdown hit people started getting really nervous when people started getting locked in their homes and then people when they realized they weren't going to work people started worry about people stealing and things along those lines I heard about people getting carjacked and or get their groceries

brother were they headed to their car from the grocery store things got real weird and then you saw these giant lines at these La gun stores and that's when I got a hold of you because I'm sure I think it's very it's a really important conversation I think you're the best at explaining it from a very rational perspective that you know people were in during the times before covid they didn't think that this was important yeah but you were what was one of those guys was like Hey what if shit goes down yeah well guess

guess what shit went down it's kinda like me carrying a firearm you know a lot of people ask me to like when I start carrying a gun like why why do you need the care gun like what do you think you're a drug dealer or something like I'm like look it's nothing for me to take my phone's my wallet my keys and then put my gun on and go about my life but nothing for me doing that yeah and it's not much of a it's not much of an encumbrance on my life where it's like okay it's not worth the day-to-day of me carrying a firearm but if I ever needed it that's going to be the most important

and thing I have on me to protect that life so it's a small price to pay for something that has such a huge upside if it ever happens yeah well you're a best-case scenario though your your lawyer your super intelligent you're really nice guy but you also love guns look what people are worried about is worst case scenario they're worried about someone who's a criminal who just wants to rob people who has this ultimate power over folks and that's what everybody's worried about when it comes to guns

worried about a school shooter you know they're worried about a mass murderer they're worried about a guy who breaks into a mosque and starts going to people down that's what they're worried about and that's I totally get it yeah like I really truly honestly get it I know him the guys and sympathize with that but my whole thing is this once we move past that understanding of so you know you have the best case scenario which you pointed out was directly me so to speak and then you have the worst case scenario where you have you know criminals you have crazy people Mass Shooters things of that nature once we get out of that realm so let's talk about the reality because you know there's over

that's right so I usually ask people well what law are you going to come up with that's going to completely stop that

no one knows now I'm not saying that because I have the absolute answer but what I can tell you is this if we don't know what law we can come up with that's going to completely stop that because you can say ban you can ban all the guns tomorrow you're still going to have crime you're still going to have those crazy people doing those same things we have 300 million over 30 million guns in this country not going anywhere you can ban them from law-abiding citizens and we'd have to deal with that as it comes but at the end of the day criminal still going to get their hands on guns and so what you have to understand and accept is from a real

standpoint if you know that when all the barriers at a place to prevent these things don't work the only person that's going to be able to do anything about it is you and you want the best thing possible at your disposal to contend against that and that's that's what the firearm does I'm do I glorify Firearms to a degree yes but that's because I'm a fireman through easiest I love them from a very practical scientific engineering

exactly and even from a sports entertainment all of those things right it's very holistic in that regard but for people who just understanding from a practical perspective like okay from self-defense

if that's the only box you wanted to live in perfect that makes part that's perfectly fine with me I just have a problem where people say things like well no one needs to have a firearm but then you're perfectly aware of all the violence and everything else that goes on in this country and you understand the limitations of the the First Responders that we have in place to be able to prevent it and if you understand that directly speaking you're on your own and I don't mean that from the very sadistic kind of you know no way out kind of

it's just reality reality cases and we just learned and we're learning it now with the whole covid situation yeah you're on your own we're not just covid right like how about I have my friend John Joseph he lives in New York City and in New York City there's a there's a lot of cops are quitting and there's a lot of crazy shit going on he sent me a text message he has a buddy that works in Harlem as a cop and he said there was Twenty Eight shootings in one night which is just fucking Bonkers and this

this guy is like he said in this is New York yeah this is a harlem so he sent me this is the list of all the shootings that he sent me this is his body's 21 years old and he's working in in Harlem keeping my New York has by far some of the strictest gun control it's literally one of the only places that when I travel to I will not bring a gun yeah I like going to bring that up and then the other one I was going to bring up a Chicago which is very similar very much hard yeah and there's a there's a

running total online there's a website that shows all the shootings in Chicago in it's fucking Bonkers like I mean just look at what just happen Father's Day I think it was like a hundred and two people Shot Ya fucking ridiculous fucking crazy and but he does his thing about that too there's there's a consistency in a pattern Behind these types of shootings it's not even like so usually when you deal with the problem first thing you do is you try to look for a pattern to see if you can figure it figure out a pattern so you can try to solve it yeah and you see well okay what

what's the common denominator of all these things and then why is it and you can figure out start to figure out why it happens the idea that we're going to create laws that's going to stop something that's so centralized and it's so it's it's there's a fundamental cause for the types of violence that we're talking about right now because they're happening in very specific areas of our country this isn't widespread right it's not like it's like we just have this Mass violence across the country on the contrary violence and violent crime is actually going down if you look at it from a statistical

however they're very their pockets with their in our country that have this violence and there's consistencies with in that pocket one of the big ones being gun laws not not gonna loss extreme poverty okay you know what I'm saying because a lot of it is is that is our inner cities because if you think about it and some people like to even place it based upon race right and it's like okay well this is a black on black violence issue yeah I can understand that but however if you really

think about it think about some of the most affluent black neighborhoods in the country we don't have those problems right so what poverty is she exactly and it's also an issue of in Chicago in particular I took a ride once I had a guy was driving us was a former cop and he was too saying that they arrested a bunch of the high-level drug dealers and they created a power vacuum and then it started this crazy war and then this war is just and he's like no one knows how to get out of it now

knows what to do about it this is why it south side Chicago to this day is one of the scariest spots in the entire country I've done two of when I was with the NRA I did two two episodes in South Side Chicago are you not with an array and him no no I'm not how come they're the NRA and their Ad Agency of record had a falling out massive falling out I was basically collateral damage within that so for whatever reason after the falling out I haven't had contact with the NRA for almost a year so we're you working for them

am I pretty much pretty much in terms of as much as say Don Lemon work for CNN okay women really works for CNN they give him a fat check you would that's what I mean why don't I don't get done limit I didn't wasn't getting done limit money but essentially what I was doing was I was a commentator and I was a host of my shove two shows on their platform okay that's the extent lot of people thought I wasn't actually still a member of the NRA yeah I'm still a member of them correct yeah okay I thought maybe you had a falling-out with the way the organization was wrong no no it's just

your silence right on their own yeah it's kind of weird I the way I function I just keep I just keep moving that's what I do smart yeah so from that perspective so there's no on my part there's no there's no bad blood I may have some critiques about certain things but other than that there's no bad blood you have you noticed a big uptick in people interested in your message yes yeah especially a lot of people who are buying guns for the first time like I'm pretty sure you're getting to yeah a

of people asking if they could borrow a gun yeah and then they get a first course lesson about how the laws were yeah and it also like people in California that wanted to go buy a gun they realized it takes a long time like gives you a background checked if there's a wait period and a funny thing that I used to get the biggest push back from my defense of not having a waiting period for firearms I used to get I used to get a lot of pushback from that because people were like well at least you don't give people time to calm down and cool off I mean that's that's that's cartoon

and thinking somebody who's made a decision to kill somebody they're going to kill them or at least going to make an attempt to do so maybe the idea that that somehow not being able to buy a gun immediately to commit that crime I personally don't think it does anything I don't I think if I've set out to commit some crime against someone and I go try to get a gun and I can't get a gun I'm going to try to find another Avenue by which to get that tool that I need to commit that crime hmm and so I however on the any

native I can tell you actual stories about people trying to get Firearms who needed them immediately but couldn't get them and thus probably died as a result of it and so and I know other people people like I've had hell I've had girlfriends in the past who have dealt situations with stalkers who would like okay I need I need a gun for tonight because this person showed up at my house right you know things like that and so don't you think that in order to safely that you want to

sure that someone is not a dangerous violent felon before you sell them a gun absolutely so there's got to be some kind of background check we and we have them right yeah but how long do you think you don't want to wait period no I'm against the wait period and what is the logic is if like say if a woman knows that a guy is stalking her and might show up at her house tonight she wants to be able to have a gun absolutely that makes sense do but they're still going to be a background check on that girl yes so so so if she were to it so let's

let's kind of flush that out okay so right now if you go and buy a gun from a dealer right someone who has a license to sell firearms as a business you have to have a background check right in the background checks instant but I think a lot of people misconstrue the the fact that the background check is instant as being insufficient okay and that's not the case it's just that we live in a technical you know we have technology now right allows us to conduct a background check a lot quicker than we probably would 30 40 years yeah I bought my first gun in 94 and the background check

like by Pony you know this I don't know how they did it back that but it takes it took a while it's a lot of paperwork that it make sure you're not a criminal but they there was no internet yeah exactly yeah and so now with the internet I mean it's it's pretty pretty quick yeah I think what people are having a problem with is the private transactions right and so generally speaking in Most states you don't you're not required to force someone to get a background check if you were going to sell them a gun like if you're in the business of selling

guns then that's one thing but if you're like Hey Joe you want a gun and say you want to tell you saw one of my guns and you're like I want to buy that gun right in taxes I can I can meet meet with you as long as I know you're not a felon or have reason to know that you're a felon or prohibit a person of some sort I can tell you the gun so you don't have to do any kind of check no that's interesting now I'm at Liberty to say Hey Joe how about you meet me at this gun store and pay for a background check on top of the price of the gun and then have a back and

conduct a background check which a lot of people do a lot of people that's a wise and so but you don't I don't like the idea that I don't like the idea of mandating private background check right so like if you had a friend and she had a stalker and the stock was going to break into her house you could legally sell her a gun in Texas right there and then actually could take I can just give her as long as Giver guy as long as I like I said as long as I don't know or have reason to know that she's a prohibitive prohibited person other than that yeah I can't either again I bring this back to

to you our best case scenario like for a guy I'd like you to have a gun I don't worry about you having a gun at all I think you what I'm worried about is again people that are psychotic people they're on medication people that are dangerous for the criminals people are Thugs That's what everybody's worried about yeah as am I yeah as of you and when you're talking about giving your friend a gun again that that seems completely reasonable you're a reasonable person I know that if you're going to give a gun to a person and you think they need it this

to be a well thought-out decision yeah absolutely so the alternative the contrary to that is what the idea that somebody who's not like that will just be giving guns away to people right exactly screaming someone who's unscrupulous that's the worry now worry is someone who you know was wants to make a buck and they'll sell guns to felons yeah and that's already illegal yeah yeah it's illegal right it doesn't matter if you make a look yo what happened the government didn't want us talking

around you want dude talking too much shit does the anti-gun Lobby than telling they blew a fuse

technically my voice audio still recording my backup but everything else showed up so the video shut off should we pause for a second here

it's the Russians or the Chinese who do things attacking me that one's going the videos going

we're gonna hold hold folks hopefully nothing will happen here and they won't think that

everything like what okay well let's turn everything back on just in case we'll just pause it ladies and gentlemen something happened there was some sort of a power surge so we're just pause it for a second or C will come back in them all right we're back so something happened folks sorry we had some sort of a power surge all the lights went out for second and pop back on it was like a pop no no we don't know what never have that happen before it's the fucking Russians or the Chinese or the I don't know

aliens I've been I've been I've been having some weird things happen on my end so I wouldn't be surprised yeah that was I was going to ask you that do you feel like because you have this pro-second amendment message do you think people fuck with you because like Europe like if I was someone who had an anti Second Amendment message you're the biggest nightmare a lawyer who's friendly guy good-looking articulate really good at media you're always doing things and you have a passion for these guns you talk about them

like you did this thing where you're walking around is a bunch of tires around you like smiling God I love this guy got and you're shooting it you're talking and like that motherfucker loves guns like this isn't a joke you love guns the way I love muscle cars or bows or you know you're I mean I love guns to know what you know it's funny thing is you know what I love slightly more than guns what cars do yeah what kind of cars I'm more into like the other the the vanity superficial level of cars like like astin's Ferraris Porsches and things of that nature yeah that's

that's my that's my heart really thumps yeah I mean the cars that make me feel yeah like I feel so like like like like like Mount manual transmissions you know I consider it so my my favorite brand is Aston Martin it's a great car and so I consider that the English muscle car hmm because largely they are they all this and Sorrel facts that you get from an American muscle car generally speaking with little bit more refinement you get from Aston Martin's but then they also go wrong and they also lose value incredibly

yeah so go wrong part yeah Dane Cook was telling me about that he said he had an Aston Martin it fell apart but my friend Brendan Schaub has one right now and he loves it which one do you know what is that it's dope whatever it looks like a spaceship that's pretty slim I love them and they evoke an emotional response out of me more than any other generally speaking any other car it's British yeah I don't trust British I don't trust my people Italians can fuck off I'm never buy one of your cars you fucking animals my people are supposed to

pizza and paintings that's supposed to be making cars man they have a lot of character brother oh yeah yeah no I love Ferraris they are gorgeous I mean I'm so stupid I might buy one one day I think you should be that stupid yeah that ran out good they do man the funny thing is I'm not even like a I mean like I remember I went to exotic racing in Vegas and so yeah it's like my first time ever driving a race car around while driving a car around a track like that and I got to dry pretty much anything I wanted and the car wash

get away from that was like I mean anywhere from like a Ferrari Pista to a 911 GT3 and the car that I walked away from like yeah it was actually the Porsche 911 GT3 yeah we're talking about a three or four hundred thousand dollar car versus a hundred and thirty hundred fifty thousand dollar car yeah the GT3 evokes an emotional response because of the this the interaction that you have with the vehicle was it a manual or it wasn't a man he was there pdk well if you want to drive fast the pdk is the way to go

Manuel's really better for A Streetcar yes you know when you're on a track you want to keep your hands on the wheel and just Babbitt you want it so you don't miss chefs and thinking I nature but yeah when you are on the street that level of Engagement between shifting gears and the car it you can't there's nothing that can run only thing I think that may be able to replicate that to a degree is working a bolt-action rifle hmm and I know it sounds I see what you're saying yeah I see what you're saying yeah there's a yeah boom or even like a or even like a lever action mmm like that that same thing is

this this this this like this it's like a combination of the mechanical and organic that just kind of comes together and it's just beautiful do you know that in the hunting world there's like a dispute between the hunting world and the Tactical world and the gun enthusiast world and they called a hunting world fuds the funds like meaning Elmer Fudd yeah and what's ironic is the new Warner Brothers they cut out the gun there's a new remake of Elmer Fudd now this is where it gets crazy folks

thud who's always been hunting Bugs Bunny now he's hunting Bugs Bunny with a scythe which is so easy for being a shit it's the English that in your like even like it literally made me go oh shit like if Elmer shoots Bugs Bunny with a shotgun at least he dies quick he you're hacking away man you're just so what any still allowed use Dynamite they're still using Dynamite so they're using explosives but they can't use a firearm anymore actually did a video on it did you yeah and one of the

has basically said is justification for it was you know during the time when we were working on an actual cartoon it happened really close to the Vegas shooting and so they like everyone immediate wanted to stay away from God so I'm like but the scythe and explosions are okay it look at this give me a give me a let me play some of this just like a look at it can you but just have it in the background just like it I just want to see what this looks like what he's running around with a siphon oh there's something weird man about redoing the past you know Looney

and so this is a new version right this is completely new it's not like they took the gun out oh my God this is so sad so weird decide it's so sick and he sticks a stick of dynamite in his mouth and he blows his fucking face off that's okay

I mean what is first of all what kind of fucking shitty Dynamite I know right yeah that's the worst lesson you teaching kids no Dynamite safety because Dynamite just makes your face dirty for a second and then and then it comes back to normal look even his hat regenerates like what the fuck are we teaching kids there's no consequences to Dinah there is a gratuitous use of dynamite in isn't one look at this but look at how crazy is that Dynamite blows his hat apart but then it fixes the something so I can see it's fine look at this boom and again boom and again

and again boom this is a bit of something you never lands I'll finally his hats fucked up will it stay fucked up let's see let's see it's fucked up he's dancing and it's not going to be back he's got no hat boom then he gives him a cake with dynamite and it says coming soon that is the dumbest shit I've ever seen in my life God that's so weird I think it would been ten times better with a gun but it doesn't make any sense out of so weird I bet this I in

I'm not much of a conspiracy theorist I'm not sometimes I like I look at stuff like that and I look at the decision behind why they removed the firearm and I hear you the whole Vegas thing and you know the sensitivity to it but I'm like but but your altered it was just as or if not more violent then the than a gun so my mind goes okay this is more of a cultural thing right I think I think there's an attempt to be made to erase the idea of firearm ownership in this country because I think there are large lot of lot of people like me like we grew up

even though I didn't grow up with Firearms I still grew up with an understanding of the Second Amendment I was I was taught about the second payment to a certain degree in school I guarantee you they're not teaching about Second Amendment schools now know that I can assure you know they yeah if anything means there's definitely no positive message know so what it tells me is I'm assuming the demographic of people that are going to be watching that are larger would be largely you and I who kind of grew up with it in the past for the Nostalgia effect but then also new generation of kids

it's going to be watching that as well and we all grew up with Thelma Fred having the shotgun yeah he's the hunter with the shotgun and he's very quiet I'm hunting wabbits but see here's a funny thing about that

you know when it comes to be the issue of firearms and we in the gun debate in this country by now you'll get people like Joe Biden talking about you know all you need is a shotgun you don't you don't need an AR-15 shot gunshot who needs a AR-15 for hunting yeah you cast eyes Elmer Fudd and you take away his shotgun

what is that what is that saying well it doesn't make any sense it doesn't it doesn't make any sense and Joe Biden's message doesn't make any sense either because shotguns have a very limited range you know it's also it's you know someone's like on your property breaking in and shooting at you from a distance or something shotguns not have to do much of anything but I think that's the point it's well it's also like that's it's not true that people don't hunt with them people will hunt with a ours all the time a particularly pigs you know that's that's another debate in the hunting World about bolt action versus semi

and that you know especially when people hunt pigs like in Texas you're dealing with massive Pig infestation and when they hunt these wild pigs they like to use guns they can fire more than one round there's a video of me right now on on YouTube where I was hunting I was hunting hogs at night with and they are yeah and and the funny thing is a lot of it to from me

I mean we have cougars in Texas so people don't think about that component so I may be hunting one animal but there may be another animal continue exactly and I don't want to have to deal with the bolt action rifle know possibly deal with that threat fuck that right like I was in new I was in New Mexico I'm not too long ago and I was just kind of drive one of my friends has a huge property out there called The Q Ranch and I was driving around his property and just kind of exploring a little bit and I took an AR with me because he does have bears and things like that on his property I don't want to

I don't want to run into something that could kill me with a bolt action shotgun yeah I want to a are because it's effective at allowing me to defend myself more effectively yeah and I think that's where other people a lot of people don't realize that they just see the see the AR and they say oh my God it looks scary looks dangerous and they assume what a bad guy can do within they are towards you they never really see themselves in power to utilize the AR to defend themselves and I think that's the way they want the conversation to be in this country it's the perpetually see yourself as a possible victim yeah now the irony is

a degree I'm doing the same thing I'm saying haven't they are so that in the event that somebody tries to make you a victim you can defend yourself right only difference is one of one of the conclusive aspects of what I'm saying is empowering the other is depend on me and give me aught and put all of your safety in my hands I EV of the government right and I'm just not with that well and also we're realizing that the people that you put your hands into their their humans and they're severely flawed yeah I mean that's what we're realizing

across the entire country right now and that's what the people forget I think people tend to add this kind of autonomous Godlike aspect to the government Well we'd like that to be the case like the government to be the big daddy that's gonna if we dial nine-one-one they're going to take care of everything yeah but honestly that's probably not the case what's not the case right now in Atlanta no here what's going on Atlanta comes are just not responding yeah and it's at that's a huge huge reality dose yeah we got a lot of messages from people I gotta

messages from cops that think that I had a bad take on the Atlanta case because the guy stole the stuff he stole a taser and then they shot him and they you know what they were saying to me is essentially that this guy had a criminal history and that just because someone is being compliant doesn't necessarily mean that they don't have evil intentions they're just they're just waiting to do something and then this guy got in a tussle with the cop I understand what they're saying but given the current

current climate shooting a guy with a taser that doesn't work you know because that's Jamie that's the case right the taser didn't work that's what I'd read yes that is this had already been fired twice so that means it it's done do we know that for a fact so I read can we pull that up just in case because we are talking on a podcast that millions of people getting here I don't want anybody to misunderstand me I have two positions one I think

it's really hard to be a cop really really really fucking hard to be a cop and I think the defunding of the cops is a terrible idea I think they need way more money and I think they need training and I had Jocko willing gone who's a former Navy SEAL and he was a commander and he would he would set up testing and he would set up training rather and that's what they need they need constant training Jocko was saying he thinks they should be training 20% of the time yeah I mean I honestly probably train a lot more than a lot of cops I bet

train way more than most cops and then I would always be really shocked in Jiu-Jitsu class when cops would come in where there were they had not even experienced until nothing like they literally didn't know what to do in a hand-to-hand fight him like man this is crazy yeah here it goes we have concluded that Roth was aware that the taser and Brooks possession it was fired twice once it's fired twice it presented no danger to him or to other persons okay one thing you could say is it maybe he forgot that is possible

all that he forgot he saw the taser being pointed at him but it also says he shot him in the back two times he was running away from him so the part of the shooting I think the shooting in the back yeah is not as relevant as people make it he says Howard's had office concluded the time of Brooks death he did not pose a threat to the officers he said Brooks was running away from the officers when when Ralph shot him in the back two times that aren't that I carry with that the shooting in the back I don't think it's as important because people move

we'll also all there in the video from what I saw now I could be wrong curtain anybody correct me if they see this when I saw him in the video he's turning back and shooting like this oh so it makes it stands to reason he takes shots firing on him he's going to get hit in the back right but if they knew that the taser had been fired twice that's a different story if you can prove that he knew the taser if he for me you can prove that the taser you can prove that he had knowledge that it was a taser that had already been fired and was inoperable at that point then yeah then we're talking and I was aware of it was

basically example Panic right they they really do there's things that happen to people in high pressure situations that you you can't attribute normal thinking to them in high pressure pressure situation I've had somebody also because I've had multiple conversations so when stuff like this comes out I don't I hadn't I haven't talked about this because I don't think it's a gun issue so I don't talk about it on my channel I understand but I do have these conversations at Nazem at you know partially and so I talked to different people who I know will have different perspectives one thing somebody pointing out

he was the idea that like you talked about in the moment with the adrenaline being pumped and then you have the tunnel vision all that stuff that's going on there is a sort of kind of reactive nature to hearing the sound of Pop going off and then a cop possibly thinking that he's shooting the gun that was that's that's when there is so does it taste your pop even though it's been fired twice from what I'm from what I'm told it does still pop it may not be effective or dispersed anything but it'll pop still make the noise yeah oh well there you go

go on so I think it's that changes things if that if that happened but even still and then the current climate it's just it's yeah there's there's a it's hard man because he's like you're right it's like do we now expect the cops to be politicians as well well do we also expect them to be superhuman in their ability to function Under Pressure exactly very little training that's that's not a problem that's a huge problem that I think of people a lot of people don't realize a lot of people think that cops are just these these

with firearms and a lot of them are not and a lot of it is due to the fact that a large departments don't have enough money to train them adequately exactly yeah it's all like cops that I know personally they go I go to courses training courses and these cops are there paying for it themselves yeah it's not even like that you know like the like the the department sent them there or they're subsidizing the training now they are by themselves paying for the money paying their own money to go to these training courses so that they can be more proficient and better at

firearm handling safety so forth and so on so when I was saying I have two positions my one position is that I think cops need way better training I think it just it should be a higher priority for us to have like Elite people like Navy SEAL caliber people as police officers and people that are trained to diffuse situations and people are trained and also people that live in the community and people that have a relationship with people in the community so that there's more of an investment I do you

better do we want better I say the entirety of our nation needs to be better trained on Firearms we have over 300 million guns in this country there's absolutely no reason why we should have so many people not Versed and have the knowledge necessary to own and operate a firearm safely so you're one of those people like a well armed Society is a polite Society yes I am yeah there's an argument for that in the and the alternative is what right you know to me it's we are a well armed Society

. But I think we need to be better educated yeah and I think the time we spend on a national stage arguing and debating gun control we have three we have over 300 federal gun laws on the books we have over 22,000 on the state and local levels we're past the point of gun control laws solving these issues I think we're at now is the same way we want to teach kids about sex at a certain age we because it's a net but it's inevitable it's the same thing with Firearms you're going to interact you're going to come across a gun at some point in your life in this country

and so as a result of that we should be talking about all right maybe maybe we subsidize the idea of mass distribution of knowledge with respect to firearm use and teaching people to be responsible gun owner so as to create a culture that looks at Firearms one from under the guise of the Second Amendment but also knowing how to operate them safely and responsibly it's so funny because people are in this like they have this contradiction right there part of them does not want that because they don't want to encourage firearms because they think that will create more fire

our arms but I see your point to that it would the Firearms already exist at least this will give people an understanding of the safe way to use them the proper way to use them yeah I mean that people have guns and you never even fired exactly and now think about all of the new gun owners now think about all the people who went out and Panic by I don't like saying it but it's truth yeah they went out and they Panic bought a gun that they really don't know how to use yeah and so now what's left so who but see who has to pick up that slack us in

don't Community right so now people like me and other content creators how are now we're scrambling trying to create videos to teach people what they need to be doing in order to use and operate that firearm safely because right now we have a culture and a society that is so anti-gun we rather try to scare people away from Guns instead of teaching them how to use them safely even though we have a second Amendment which allows us to own and operate these Firearms that's so crazy and so yeah and I so crazy as you people have to go to your Instagram page to be educated

in how to but but there's good in that too because you do have a large following on Instagram and a lot of people are gonna go and they're going to learn some things from those videos if I'm that shadow bit are you are you shouting there yeah I get mad brother it's it's bad I and then I I could tell you more about my business partner here right now we talk about that tell me you saw with our numbers were before in terms of who we were able to reach yeah and what they are now hmm that's ugly yeah that's why

you're too it's weird because like you're not doing anything illegal everything responsible everything is intelligent and you're you're clearly well educated on the subject both in the arguments against gun used in the Second Amendment and also the correct way to use them let me play Devil's Advocate against myself okay because in it's based on something you said could very well be the fact that they may see that aspect of me right right and other people like me but they don't have the same faith in you

other people you get what I'm saying so they don't want the information disseminated out there to those people who they feel may not be as safe I think you're thinking of it too kindly but I think is there's a left-wing perspective on guns guns equal bad yes now then that I'm aware of yeah I'm just trying to get guns bad all those guns equal bad you know I mean this is just it's a really unfair and I was

I told that to when I put up some videos from teheran tactical people are going to get Shadow band like really for for responsible use of guns in a place where they taught John Wick you would think that would not be the case but now do I think you're in danger be shadow man no because that's not what that's not what your Channel or you know which one you're I think mine is is about firearm ownership not to not to mention I was the guy who was part of the NRA who was with the NRA at some point so that doesn't give me any brownie points in that regard

but by and large yes I am Shadow if you take a look at now things have gotten a little bit better but I don't think it's but don't thinks from them loosening things I think it's more people are sharing my content because there's nothing algorithm can do about that right if you see a video and share it there's nothing I can do about but let's tell everybody your name your Instagram handle right now after on this about mr. Cohen on the Water Co L IO n and in oir okay yeah and so let everybody know if you like how do

you don't have to search name little in the Wadley just Google it and it pulls off everything yeah and because some people might be just on this clip and you go who want to go back and listen the whole Punk how it sucks man it sucks because it is a legal thing and you have a real like look if anybody has a legitimate intelligent argument for the pros of gun ownership and and ethical use of guns and correct these it's you I mean you're the best at it you're online when

I mean which will beg the probably the reason why they would probably want to shut me up to its I don't like when people are telling other people what to do and not to do and it's based on their own personal ideology I don't like it I don't like it at all either because I'm very much of look you do what you want to do with your life as long as it doesn't interfere with mine or step on any of my rights we're good how Texas of you Texas through through brother I've texted born and raised yeah it's a great place it's so

this this is my two positions at I was saying before so number one position I am 100% in favor of law enforcement and I think they need to be better trained and I think you need to get rid of those bad motherfuckers I think there's a lot of them I think there's a lot of bad cops need to get rid of those I gotta get this off because this is something that pisses me off a little bit

that is a nuanced perspective however on social media and in general the idea of having a nuanced perspective on a particular issue is so far gone now yes that you can't even really have a conversation I can say in one breath I'm Prokop yeah I am Prokop have a lot of friends who are cops however they're also a good number of them who are evil as fuck probably racist and need be fucking dissolve from the from the sociopaths Psychopaths murderers yes and

some reason it's either nope either all cops are bad or they're all good and that's what I can't get down with yeah I just can't you can't get down with that and I'm with you I think we can also say in one breath I'm Prokop but I'm also Pro these peaceful protests yeah I think this peaceful protests are important and there was some maybe I did a bad job of explaining what I was trying to say whatever basketball player was mad at me the other day because of something I said that I think a lot of these people are fighting like an invisible enemy when they're when they're protesting

what I mean by that is yes we need bad cops yes cops should stop shooting whether it's black people or white people or anybody on the wrong so that people because people love to Tom emmer our last our last segment we made a mistake verbally and people jumped on it you said we need bad cops did I say that yeah can't really imagine saying how dumb my we need bad cops we need cops we need good cops but there and there's definitely bad cops and bad cops had shoot people what

her race they are fucking terrible clearly there's a problem with cops shooting black people clearly there's also statistically not even just shooting people if we look at the see if you look at the the deaths at statistics for cops and black people there's a thing that people like to do where they say well actually cops shoot more white people than black people there are more white people and black and but the other thing that I think is as important

not more important is cops or physical with black people more than they are why people cops are physical with brown people Mexicans Puerto Ricans their physical with them more than they are why people statistically by as much as much or more than 25% there is a problem also there's a problem with people that don't know what they want they just think that getting defunding the cops are bad this is what I meant by fighting an invisible enemy I just did a shitty job of explaining it

the thing we should want is a safe Community including people to get pulled over by cops so that's the one thing that needs to be addressed first right get rid of the bad cops fund them better train them better and we should we should all want this this shouldn't this defund the cop shit is crazy I think a lot of its movement has been co-opted by

and I always always hesitate because I like I said I'm like conspiracy theories but I have to call a spade a spade there are a lot of there are a lot of subversive there's a subversive group in this country that wants to topple the current structure of the United States yeah so that they can gain power because they think they can rule better yeah and a lot of those people generally speaking our Marxist yes that's pretty much it there are that's why I like I make a delineation people ask me about Black lives matter for instance black lives matter the sentiment I can get down with black

not any organization I cannot and why is that because they are not for the same thing so what do you think the he adopted the leader that the founders of black mat like the founders of black lives matter is literally just came out and basically says she's trained Marksman basically said she said blatantly she's trained Marxist she the both of them the founders of black lives matter organization these the same marks its to folks that went on stage with Bernie Sanders at one time I believed so don't quote me on that and took to Mike from whoever the two women are who are who were the founders of black lives matters the organization

they are trained Marxist said it with her own mouth on the show and what so what is their goal what do they want what do Marxist one they want to top of the current structure they utilize they have they have their youth so speak they're useful idiots that create that create chaos it's a top of whatever structure is in place so that they can come in fill the vacuum and then what did they do with the useless chaos what did they do with the useful idiots they dispose of them because they are rebellious and nature and us will topple the power structure that's in place that so now who are they useful idiots that you think

utilizing the people running around spring black lives matters while rioting and looting yes not protesting right rioting and looting that's the distinction this is what I did a shitty job explaining there's a lot of people that are out there protesting and I don't necessarily think they understand what like what needs to be done what needs to be done to keep us safe is not defunding the police who needs to be hungry 8 maybe they need to go through the fucking Police Department with a

a fine-tooth comb and every one of these motherfuckers it has multiple complaints just get rid of them just get rid of find out what the fuck is going on if the multiple complaints don't make sense yeah then leave them alone yeah but find out like that guy that guy that killed that guy and looking for anybody who could do that to a person who can lean on a person's neck like that for me some fucking wrong with you something's fucking wrong with you and you should have never been a cop in the first place and we all know that there are people like that when you talk to people that are in the military hmm there are folks that they have to work with it a

and sociopaths yeah and they hope that buds training and that SEAL training is going to lead those guys out ranger training or whatever the fuck it is that they have to do but it doesn't always doesn't always and sometimes they get in a situation in Jocko was talking about how you'll get an entire Seal Team that they have to disband and re and re set up because they have bad leadership and so the did these same guys and they come in with good leadership and they get trained correctly and it turns around and it turns out you know like look if we if we join some sort of a military group and your being

led by some fucking piece of shit Commander what do you do with where do you go and your faith in the entire organization is fucked up so a lot of this stuff is top down so you have a lot of these cops that are in these bad neighborhoods and they've been dealing with corruption for there's a there's a movie called the seven five and it's about the 75th Precinct in New York and Michael Dowd who is one of the guys in the movie was a bad cough yeah and he's out now and he did time and she'll like that but it's a fucking crazy movie and I had him on the

hard task but his first day on the job did they throw a dude off a balcony or some shit like that he was told to shut his mouth something happened like first day on the job he he witnessed some crazy shit and they were he was basically told hey motherfucker this is how we do shit like get all that fucking goody-two-shoes Dragnet bullshit out of your head this is how we do things here and so then you're indoctrinated into this Force that's already compromised and I think that's where a lot of people kind of that's why I think a lot of people come

from when he talked about the systemic aspect of yes right yes it's that culture that breeds the mentality that says alright this is the way things are going to be done so you either you either get you down are you lay down right right and saw that and so in a lot of that that responsibility is born on the leadership in these places yes and that's what needs to happen there needs to be a restructuring and reorganization of the leadership from the top down perspective that I do believe and I agree with you I'm like you got a guy who has multiple multiple complaint you mean at a certain point where there's smoke there's probably gonna be some fire somewhere yeah

and so at that point if you can't really reasonably justify why this person is getting a lot of complaints and it like you said if it doesn't make sense why they complained then okay cool but if you like all right this is seems real suspect yeah either do a deeper investigation of it or get rid of them yeah and there's a problem with most people when you give them ultimate power over someone else and it's not just the power of having a gun it's the power of being able to tell someone do what I'm telling you to do there's a crazy video I watched the other day of a white guy pulling over another white

guy and he's telling the guy get out of the car and the guys why do you want me to get out of the car he goes because I'm fucking telling you to get out of the car and he pulls out his pepper spray and he goes hey man he goes I'm going I'm speeding I'm going 5 miles an hour over it goes stop filming because I don't have to stop filming and he goes in why you pointing your fucking pepper spray at me and he goes if you don't get out of the car I'm going to hit you with it and so this is back and forth with this guy and he goes to hit it he goes it's out you're lucky this is your lucky day goes no he goes you're fucking crazy he's like you're gonna pepper-spray me because I'm going 5

as an hour over the speed limit so this is an example of a person who should never be in a position of have an ultimate power over somebody like that is that if a guy was a really good cop was a veteran he would have been able to diffuse a situation he would have walked up to you and how you doing sir you know why I pulled you over you're going a little bit fast you're going to 5 miles an hour over the speed limit blah blah whatever it was you know Point fucking pepper spray it a guy who just just because he's filming you when he's filming you he's allowed to do that that's you this is like an audition for you to keep your job

that's what it is like do a good job right there you're because you're going to get on the internet right now and there's a lot of people that are on the internet there was a fucking horrible one that I watch with this guy was in this verbal altercation with this woman and it wasn't heated she can do anything wrong and he's yelling she's not listening so he grabs her ragdolls her to the ground face-plants her and gets her in a rear naked choke and he's screaming at her and these other annual terrible rear naked choke to and these other people are standing by watching this and

wing it and it's fucking Madness this is a terrible way to handle the situation just a person who's either got PTSD or he's all fucked up and my buddy Josh this is a shitty person just a shitty person who happens to get this job now guess what here's the other problem who's going to be a cop down yeah that's the thing who's gonna be a cop sounding I'ma be honest with you I wouldn't want to be a cop or I wouldn't be I don't wanna be a cop now fuck man could only imagine but I think the problem is it's like people don't understand like the relationship between community

and the police should be a symbiotic relationship that's that's what it should be yes because even the same to the same degree there needs to be training I think there needs to be training now mandated training but people should be on a cognate especially if I is a gun owner yeah someone who carries a gun on me 99% of the time in my car on my body on my person I should understand the Dynamics that a police officer is looking at me from and dealing with people who carry guns and vice versa so officer needs to be an understanding be aware of the fact that okay you're living in a population where people carry firearms so

I deal with the presence of a firearm in the hands of civilians should not terrify you that much it just shouldn't now I get it there are bad apples all over the place thus that brings it full circle me as citizens should understand that because there are certain people who are bad apples who carry firearms that are interacting with cops and maybe it may want to do ill will towards the cops that I as a citizen should understand have the responsibility that says all right there are certain things I'm going to do whenever I'm interacting with the cop that signals to them hey I don't mean you no harm I mean you know threat I get pulled over

I ain't the first thing I do is I pull over roll the windows down I have my ID and I have my concealed carry license in hand right everything I'm doing is just to put the cop at ease right I'm demonstrating the cop look I understand you don't know who I am I don't know who you are right so we're going to give each other this mutual respect that's as all right as long as you respect me I'm going to respect you and generally speaking thought that I speed a lot

laughs recognizing you I have it's like 50/50 oh a lot yeah 50s a lot it is a lot actually and the funny thing is the best time was I was in a car at the time I was I was in a car with with my ex at the moment she was my girlfriend I didn't girlfriend anyone her best friends and we were driving back from Houston and so I was speeding and so I think I think I'd like in six at the time and so I was speeding and he was like you need to slow down and I think shut up

so going oh God and then I can pulled over and I get pulled over in her laughing the last haha we told you you idiot ha ha ha ha ha and so I'm sitting there and I'm like I got egg on my face and shit and cop comes over and he's like he's like yeah you know I'm giving you I do what I normally do all the windows down hand in my driver's license he goes he goes to the runs my information comes out he's like yeah you know there might be a weird question but you know are you calling Anwar I was like

and he's like I'm and I thought it was this is why it's a question because your ID is different because your real name my real name is Collins yeah right but do you give out your real name I give out my real first name I don't give out my last name because I don't want to have to shoot anybody I'm being dead serious I mean I get I get a lot of weird stuff so I'm sure yeah and I don't I mean look if you want to find my real name you can find you pull up on Wikipedia right but I don't want to make it easy for you but I mean if you want to have those problems let me have at it but and a cup had people

threaten me before well over what just my stance and things like that I am not people threatening you for your stance on responsible gun ownership honey they want to shoot you and I understand it's so rude it's so ridiculous I don't understand it but you have but I mean there are a lot of psychos out there yeah and even anti Gunners can be Cycles this is the car I've had this conversation about you with people that are not gun owners that don't like guns and I said listen there are people out there like yourself that are the best example of what you would

hope for a gun owner and if your that's your fucking neighbor you should be happy that that guy's armed some shit goes down you need someone to help you if you want people to be able to help themselves but then in my neighborhood I think people are going to have a different attitude about this with all this defund the police talk I really do and the Looting and the right and not only that but here in Santa Monica they have police right the police there and they were told to stand down there were told to stand there while people are looting I think another thing to there I think there is a

say semantics issue going on with the defendant police at least from what I'm staying because initially when I heard about the defund the policeman stuff what the hell I'm talking about like we can't be this stupid I guess there is a segment that's the even within the defunded police there are different Sexes there are the people who are like no we just need to reallocate certain portions of the funding for police in different places and then there are people who are like no we just need absolve all police take away the funding and get rid of them those people are out of

the lucky - but here's a funny thing about that let's take it what's going on in Seattle right yeah in chess yeah how fast do we realize within a blink of an eye that crime is going to happen it doesn't matter it doesn't matter what type of Utopia you think you're going to establish there were going to be messed up people well someone got shot there yesterday being in it and from what I hear it was pretty much a hit was it I think not the one from yesterday but the one before that because it was another shooting and apparently it seemed like it was a hit like

they were looking for this person and they went to kill them and I'm like you were supposed Chaz was supposed to be this Utopia right no cops right no money all of it than and within a blink of an eye what do you have well no more than flies also don't have hospitals in Chaz right like what are you gonna do if someone does get shot and will matter somebody pull it out because because the cops probably don't want to go in there yeah well they would let him in oh God when I saw yeah and so I was not going to end well folks it's not it's not going to end well the the the wait

handle this in my opinion is to fix the the current structure to do it in a logical way that makes sense it's not to take everything down so to take this back to what you were saying about black lives matter don't you think there's probably people in Black lives matter who don't have these sort of marxist ideas they just don't want black market shop absolutely absolutely the sentiment of black lives matter I am all for it I'm on yeah I'm all for it the organization though that's the problem I have because

essentially the leadership of this so you think that the leadership has I think the secret motor do that the people that are involved that are doing all the groundwork probably aren't even aware of no they're not and I did a whole video about it yeah because I remember I remember black lives matter and it was a video I did it take two years ago but I remember liking this one I was at the NRA and black lives matter was attacking then all right basically saying that they don't really care about black gun ownership so forth and so on it was like an attack piece and I think it was the branch

lives matter that's here in La actually and so I did a response video and I went it was like a 15 20 minute video and I broke it down systematically I'm like all right well okay we started off the black lives matter because of police brutality cool I'm all for it but what has happened now all of a sudden they get this massive wave of funding and and their whole directions shifts into some other stuff that I have no idea what it has to do with anything but with respect to now it's become this kind of like all-encompassing umbrella

of lgbtq and some other stuff but then on and then even aspects of I guess I don't want to say and teeth is under the umbrella but the the whole marks is kind of communist socialist aspects of politics kind of creeping into that as well and then when you couple that with the idea that you have the actual founder saying that they're trained in Marxism and then you have what you see now playing out where you have these very peaceful protests being co-opted by violent people who are now just engaging in rioting and looting and then branding It Black

as matter mmm they're wolves handy there wolves hiding among sheep I think there's there's a bunch of things happening at the same time and I think when it comes to the rioting and looting I think there's a lot of just opportunists know I don't know I don't think they're necessarily that organized some of it is organized some of it mainly that and then I need and you're right because there was an elect princess in Dallas in Dallas when the Cop Shop that I go to all the time he was telling me he was like you know all the windows were broken out and really he was like Hey really was just a bunch of kids just running around taking advantage of the chaos

toss and just kind of breaking Windows have to take into consideration these kids haven't worked in three months yeah they're probably broke as fuck and looking for free shit there's a ton of them and there's just opportunist and you saw that New York for sure yeah I'm sorry I'm pretty sure I had that here too yeah for sure for sure but the crazy thing about New York is a lot of it was apartment buildings filming down on the streets because you know in New York everyone's in yeah yeah so they're filming there's so many videos of people filming on the streets while all this mad

is going this one crazy video were all these people breaking into shit and this guy runs in the street and other guy hit some of the car and he goes flying through the air in the car takes off bro it's mad and then they just smashing through Soho and breaking into art galleries and stealing everything and like it's nuts man a bit also but both the question when you have chaos you never believe will get destruction yeah that's I mean that's that's what happens which is why you need structure this is why you need to keep in mind I am no fan of big

government I'll be the first one to tell you I'm no fan of big government however you do need a level of Law and Order here's where I'm a fan of big government and I wish it did a better job when the covid shit went down and no one could work now it turned out that covid was not nearly as deadly as we were worried it was but it could have been and no one could work and that's why everybody stayed locked up when that happened that's when we needed money that's what we needed stimulus checks that's why we need two people to

get that 1,200 bucks that they only handed out once like how fucking crazy is that they handed out trillions of dollars to all these corporations and they handed 1,200 bucks out once too I mean I don't know how many people got it I don't know either but that's not enough for humans to live off to write three fucking months there was a time that ever do that it was then it was then that wasn't in time where big government made sense and it didn't work out no didn't and there was all these empty promises and it's like they got away with giving out one check and then they stopped and put

it was supposed to be a constant thing right it was supposed to be done when I perform I understand yeah I mean I don't get anything clearly but I for my understanding of a supposed to be a constant yeah a constant thing in that they didn't happen the way it happened but it should demonstrate to a lot of people

then you're going to take the same government and put your safety completely in the hands of the same government right I just doesn't make sense to me to me the government is supposed to be value added to what I'm already capable of doing myself hmm that's a good way of looking at and so but I think too many people depend on the government entirely and I don't think that's smart right I just don't and I'm not saying that life is fair I'm not saying that the system we have in place is fair it's not it's not it's not fair it's just but

are you going to do right what are you going to do right II the way I was raised and wait that my mom raised me was literally life is not fair son deal with it figure it out find a way around it right that's that that's the way I go about Life's a lot of people don't like that some people think it's too optimistic it's not optimistic because I realistic unfortunately whether it's optimistic or pessimistic it's realistic what you get a hand of cards yeah and if your Delta shit hand of cards and you just sit around complaining about

it it doesn't do you any good there's people that have been dealt shittier hands and they've figured it out yeah it sucks it sucks to be dealt a shitty hand of cards and I understand Envy I understand when you looking at people that have dealt an amazing hand of cards ya know the funny thing about it is I you know I think a tweet out some time ago I listened to a lot of I listen to a lot of rap like a lot of trap music and I'm not I'm not from the streets yeah sure there was a period of my life where I where I live was basically the slums

I'm not a street dude never sold drugs none of that however there's a there's a certain aspect of that music an understanding that there are a lot of people who've come from worse places than me who have been who have managed to kind of bring themselves out of it that when I look at my life I say well I have no excuse I have no excuse whatsoever so I need to figure out a way to make my situation better however now there's no guarantee I'll be able to do it I make I'm a work my ass off and still fell

but I'm going to keep working my ass that's like the Game of Life the unfortunate thing is that some people are not gifted with a parent that gives them the sort of perspective that your mom gave you that life is not fail fair deal with it and then you go forth with that knowledge just a lot of people out there that unfortunately they're born into terrible households where they're abused and there's crime around them and violence and they never get a chance I never get a chance and I get it because they've developed it means abusive

these mentalities of the develop in this in that something's up situation that's the thing too that I think that's a problem with the conversation that's going on too many people are too dismissive of that reality right right because even though I can sit here and tell I can tell you basically what I'm saying pull yourself up by your bootstraps that's essentially what I'm saying or at least that's the way I look at life I'm like figure out a way if I don't have boots figure out a way to get the boot so I can pull my ass up but to completely ignore the circumstance like you talked about you have to talk about a kid who's a who's a child of somebody who grew up in the 80s crack epidemic yeah

right to parents who are crackheads you can't look at this person and it like you know like a little baby little baby just came out with a song right called Big a picture and then he was like I'm just a product of my environment nobody nobody taught us any better so as a result of that I look at that and I understand what the 80s crack epidemic did to black families during that time period so now you have crackheads

raising crackheads and then having kids that's essentially what's what happened as a result of that so to ignore that and to say no no no you know everybody has a hard which they do but you can't discount it and say that it doesn't have an effect because there is there is a there is an aspect of being so low you really don't stand a chance in hell right right and to dismiss that wholesale I think it's disingenuous now what do we do about it I don't I'm not I'm not smart enough to have the answer for that

but there but there needs to be something

a bare minimum at least have the conversation yeah I think the conversation should be how come you guys had trillions of dollars to bail out these corporations during the covid lockdown but you didn't have trillions of dollars to fix these impoverished communities that have been in the same situation for decades thank you freaking Tech yeah it's nuts man that's what it is it's like there's so much money that you can spend to avoid an economic collapse but yet there's no money to fix what's been an economic collapse for every what are you doing with my map a 30 percent tax

what the fuck are you doing with my money there exactly exactly you know and I've said it again I've said it before I'll say it again if you want to make America great you would want less losers yeah how do you have less losers give people more of an opportunity to get better give people more of an opportunity to succeed and that's they should look at all those spots whether it's Baltimore Detroit or south side Chicago look at all those spots in this country as places where people have much less of a chance so if you give them more of a chance you can have more

two people you can have a stronger country yeah it's really simple it's simple as that it's in the funny thing is it's you'll probably see the most growth happen in those places it's just like lifting weights oh yeah I haven't lived in 20 years you know you start with rights on a regular basis you like yo I'm suggesting that's right only we've been doing it for a while you're like oh man I'm stagnating yeah good point yeah that's a good point you know and it would it's also we're supposed to be a community yeah you know I mean that's one thing that I do love about these peaceful protests all these people marching together with another all going to get

they're not just they're probably a lot of them are we start as a fact you know it's like especially at night apparently Brett Weinstein sent me something Jaime I'll send it to you it's very interesting but one of the things that they found out about covid ID is that it dies almost instantly Airborne covid when it hits UV light really yeah I'm going to send you this Jamie which is really kind of crazy yeah so at it

it's one of the reasons why apparently that it wasn't like really I'm sorry hold on

I'll do this and then I'll do this yeah little this will work

here we go it's rapidly inactivated by simulated sunlight or sunlight yeah just UV light kills it yeah you can see we run around my house is gonna look like a rape I know but but but what's interesting is what Brett Weinstein's / what his theory was or his thought was it's this he's a biologist and was unwell podcast last week one of the things that he pointed out was there's all these indications that this is something that escaped from a

yeah like very specific indications yeah and these indications are basically the weight of all that evolved far too quickly and then he pointed out some things that I'm not gonna remember because I'm a moron but he said also it seems like because of the fact that it dies in sunlight but it spreads very easily with without sunlight good it's very contagious he thinks it may have evolved in this laboratory environment to be more contagious while indoors so his thought is that this is something that they

probably had created in order to test various antiviral medications and all these different things and that during this process somehow or another got out and it's one of the reasons why this thing spread so quickly to people indoors gotcha yeah but it's so fucking it's so crazy so contentious that's another thing people got mad at me because I was saying that you didn't have to wear a mask well that's what I read the CC was saying that unless you're dealing with

did patients or was it the World Health Organization but then again also I was saying it to fuck with my friend Bill Burr I think you should know this folks when I was saying that I was trolling Bill Burr to try to get em to go on a rant but maybe was the Kyle Dunnigan show to listen don't listen to me I'm a moron go online but don't get mad at me either I don't know what the fuck I'm talking about oh good but I do know that there's these giant spikes in all these cities where they had big protest yeah I mean that me that's how that's gonna happen

and I mean yeah I mean you got to have a highly dense populated area with a bunch of people marching sweating and know what's hilarious is they're blaming it on Republican Governors opening up the states to early as they keep blaming this party policy stuff so it drives me insane but it's happening in California to I can't do that is this is super liberal Progressive state it is happening right here to we manage ourselves crazy with this we are man political they should make pop this should make political parties illegal the really shy I'm not like you can't you can't

say you're Republican or a governor or a or a Democrat it's just too confusing to people I just want you to tell me what you want to do to tell ya tell me what your want look what do you want to do yeah what do you want to do and then we can talk and that's let's have that conversation stop hiding behind a donkey or an elephant it confused the fuck out of me you know I'm of the same nature you know like what do you what are we doing man we keep playing this game what it does is it creates extremes yep right and so without exchange again no Nuance yeah without

Nuance really don't solve anything everything just becomes everything becomes a now and everyone's in Hammer yeah that's pretty much what happens exactly and so we need we need more scalpels that's what we need we need more options you know this to party option that's left us with Joe Biden or Donald Trump is so Bonkers that's another big thing people got mad at me last week because I said that Joe Biden is experiencing cognitive decline and people are how is it how is anybody not seeing that thank you how was that nothing else that's a really I think that I think it's just people that think that I'm going to fuck up the

that's options that the somewhere another pill going to listen to me and not come on look it's so it's not even like look I don't debatable it's not it's not it's a night man its massive Trump was that confused all the time they would be hammering and hammering him hard and by the way he has been confused before don't get it wrong let me put the both hold what's that they're both always fuck and also I think Trump's medicated I think when I've seen these videos where he's like slurring David pakman had a bunch of the put up where he's like slur

in his words I think he's like coming down off some shit or you know what I mean like I think he's on some uppers I think he's on some I think that's how he's so peppy well if that does those rallies that's the case give the same shit to Joe Biden because it's ridiculous man it's beyond politics yes Ian politics just his cognitive ability I can't vote for him alone on that right now granted his politics completely he's not just gonna stand a chance in hell with me but

no it's not decided man who are you gonna vote for do you know right now I'll probably do the same thing I did last time

but yeah yeah that's where I'm at what does that mean I voted for Trump last night did you how dare you I know right people get mad at you oh all the time really yeah but I'm a pragmatic vote did they get mad at you for that more or the black lives matter purpose position you were just describing well the black lives matter will find out the black lives matter position I described I hadn't talked about that in almost two years but you talked about it on video I did it before yeah and I got a lot I got some people understood where I was coming from something people have to

I really really really try to remove all sense of emotion when I try to assess or analyze the situation I look at I look at things as pragmatic as I possibly can not discounting my emotions I just try to remove it when I'm analyzing it and then make my decision I'm still human right right so I'm going to have my biases but I am very practical and I also understand I have a platform that is rather large yeah so it's irresponsible for me to just go off on emotional tie rates based on how I feel

he'll without investigating facts now have I been wrong have I may be shot my mouth off a little bit beforehand before I should have yeah but I try to learn from those mistakes right and so within another thing too because there is no Nuance most of the people who are mad at me about specially with the black lives matter aspect of things like I don't have a problem with the black lives matter sentiment I'm freaking black right I understand that yeah however

just I'm not a fan of the organization you're not a fan of Marxism I'm not yeah actually you know what that's that's a beautiful way of putting it yeah remove that Marxist element of it when we talk that's what's interesting is like every movement gets kind of co-opted by some of the ideas that are attached to the movement it's like sometimes they have a really good bill right in the trying to pass like a stimulus Bill and then you look in the bill there's all sorts of way and the shit I mean that's what we're trying to shove into think on deliberate something you know they'll pollute it so it doesn't get past that's that's a big part of

of politics yeah but you don't expect that from something that seems so organic like black lives matter like Michael Che has a great bit about it but he's like think about I'm going to fuck up the bit but it's like basically just the sentiment is so like all were saying is they matter yeah exactly even people argue that that's that's where I look at the disingenuous nature of the conversations that are being had like it's as simple as this like I don't see why anybody would get mad at black lives matter and I don't understand why anybody would get mad at all lives matter

but I can see why somebody would get mad at someone saying all lives matter in response to Black lives matter because what it seems like it's doing is just undermining and just kind of tossing aside the aspect of the complaint write the complaint is cops have been killing black people and it's on video and we all should be outraged shit yes yes and if and if it is akin to people because people do make the argument that well they're all lives matter and more white people are killed by cops and you're right and I think you should be as equally mad

I do if you if you have the police brutality should not stop it race right police brutality police brutality so my but my thing is this if we live in a country and we're supposed to be all one all eyes do matter hmm we do however if there is a particularized group of people within that within that that inclusiveness that feel like their lives don't matter a bare minimum we should have that conversation right we should just at least have that conversation say all right why do you feel that way why why well what is it

Factory that makes you think that your life doesn't matter and then when we go through the particular points in address each one you know what it may be coming from nowhere it may be delusion or it may be completely utterly valid but a bare minimum if we can't even get to the point we have the conversation because our instinctive gut is to say no All Eyes matter what you talking about right it's not it's not fair it's not fair I'm not saying one one side is right at the other what I'm saying is we're going to be a country that's all one people and there's a part of it that's telling you

if we don't feel like we matter right but we need to address it yes and understand why the fuck they feel that way just if the Indian people were saying the same thing any lies don't matter I don't really I'm not Indian I didn't grow up in the culture I don't know what particular eyes issues you may have growing up in a society I don't what the hell you talking about but talk to me let me hear you out right because kids clearly you feel some type of way so let me hear what you have to say about that and then we can have that conversation and say all right maybe we'll reach

where they go you know what maybe I was taking this a little too far or maybe I go damn I didn't realize that I've been so consumed with my life that I didn't realize that you had to go through these difficulties as well that I didn't have to write you know but we can't even get to that point because we're so polarized mmm so polarized I think like I think we're doing better at it than we ever have before though just because the fact is been these gigantic peaceful protest in the conversation is going and also because like I don't think it's good that people get fired for saying all lives

matter but they do get fired for saying all lives matter hey campus culture crazy I can't stand I think people should be allowed to say whatever they want without fear of Retribution I do too but it's fascinating to me that there's these feel fearful people that want to cancel people for every every mistake and everything they've done wrong one thing that I had a conversation with somebody about it when they were saying like what's wrong with saying all lives matter I'm like there's nothing wrong with saying all lives matter but here's the problem the only reason why people are saying black lives matter is because there's people out there

the don't feel like they matter yeah if you said White lives matter people would be like duh yeah you couldn't have a movement in this country that says white lives matter people be like what the fuck are you complaining about but see really but here's the thing about that too though everybody has the ever in a country is is mixes we are everyone has the particularize issues in this country everybody has their own problems as a group I'm not going to Discount your problems because I don't suffer from

um so if you want to tell me all while White lives matter cool I'm not white I don't know what the hell you're going through I mean I'll hear you out what's the issue because I'm still in I'm slipping in this country with you I consider you my brother so we may have a different upbringing a different cultural background but tell me what what is the issue that you're dealing with and why do you feel that way because right now from my standpoint I mean I met as a black person I mean look at you and say well what the hell are you complaining it's so ridiculous all lives matter at least makes some sense that we should all be together

like if you're talking police about police brutality and particular yeah bad cops kill all kinds of people there's plenty of videos of cops killing white people there's a horrible video those cops pushing that old man down he's down you can't even walk now so messed up that old man has a broken skull and he can't fucking walk and he's got permanent brain damage and he's old as fuck and then Trump goes and says some crazy shit like he might have been antifa and he might have been like he's old as fuck that's so crazy that is the crazy

like to look at that video and not say Hey you shouldn't push an old man like that yeah I thought I was under Lease Office hell I don't know what the guy was saying to cops but there's no real mean and I mean it's old guys like a Mitchum said he felt he felt too easy i'm like bitch you can't even walk down a ramp I think what happened right he spent 10 minutes in his fucking specie of the day talking about why he could why it was so hard to walk down the red my shoes were slippery I'm dead it man but you can't even walk down a ramp if you have the slippery shoes on

tell me you wouldn't fall down like that old man I bet you would I bet you fucking would but I think sometimes when have I think it's weird because I think the problem is sometimes is and I suffer from it too and we get so much information so fast right and it's hard to keep up with it is hard for me people ask me why don't you talk about this on to talk about that as is not a gun issue why did you say I can barely keep up with the gun issue right much less anything else I think he suffers from that sometimes too well here see something neat suffers from the same kind of headline Focus you'll see it and won't really

any further and then he'll just and then he'll kind of take whatever confirmation bias he may have over here and here it's kind of throw it together and then he'll say something I think you're a hundred percent right I think he has too many things going on yeah I think first of all I don't think anybody should be president I think it's a ridiculous position and I think it should be like a council of wise folks that's what it should be when that becomes an oligarchy maybe yeah good point well what the fuck man between a presence not that's not good at either the me but even then within that I mean some people don't with argue president nothing more than a

position right but we keep in all these problems on them it's like weep in covid on them weep in North Korea on and weep in China trade relations weep in war with Iran War with Syria war with this that there's so many different things the environment all what are you doing these fucking fracking I respect anybody who's the president I mean I'd agree with you but to be in a position to do what you have to do with I have no choice but to respect which is why I will always respect the office and who's in it well

well I hope they do well that's what I do yeah I want them to do well the idea that there's some people that wanted Trump to fail and they wanted economy to collapse to prove himself so he would get removed from office now they just want to prove themselves there's a little bit of that too but this also like come on man that is bad for everybody which you which you really should be is like what everybody should be hopeful or should have been hopeful for when he got erected is to be pleasantly surprised pleasantly surprised that he said look I'm sorry all the shit I said about Mexicans being

best but now I'm not going to do that anymore I'm gonna do my best to make this really isn't the best place it's crazy even that even that was taken out of context yes and so it's like it's and it sucks because he has nothing because people always like to say that man people are dumb and and I'm like I don't want to think that more and more stock to think that but what I think a lot of it is is man we have so much information now and so many people are angling for their own agenda based on the on the same information you don't know what's what

and so we were getting these bits of different if I'm worried about raising my kids working providing for my family it's hard it's going to be hard for me to intellectualize I mean we do this for a living right so it's going to be hard for somebody who's just trying to raise a family and Wilhelm it's not like you don't have a family to raise either but it's hard to be able to parse through all the information we have at our disposal to come out with what's actually true and correct or full context right and have a good take on yeah you know I mean that's the other thing it's so difficult for someone like me who does talk for a living and I

fuck things up all the time you know and I can't imagine being in charge of as many things as anybody that is a president or Governor or even a mayor is in charge of must be fucking insane yeah no it's not a mint I I know what I have to deal with yeah in terms of just my little platform over here in this little small area and it's a lot man because especially if you actually give a damn yes if I'm if I was just out here acting and just saying shit because you know just feeding my base whatever they want to hear right then that would be

different story but I challenge I challenge my base all the time well I think that's one of the reasons why you resonate because you are a genuine person like you're it's very obvious that the things you say you say them because you mean it and this is your perspective and this is your your well-thought-out perspective on things and I think that that's that there's a big difference between that and someone who just says shit because they think that this is their their brand yeah and this is Their audience is going to respond to this and this is probably going to get me more likes

yeah and that that's a real problem with social media and the thing is it's frustrating like I did I did a piece on a Model Bree I'm not Aubree case the shooting in Georgia I didn't see it though I know that guy okay so I think I did I did a complete legal analysis of it which essentially what I did in that 20 minute video lawyers get paid five hundred to a thousand dollars an hour for

because so much time it took me two days to put that video together because I needed to make sure all my facts and elements were correct I basically had to go back to being lost all over again and while that's happening there are tons of other things happening to that I need to comment on as well but I'm just I'd rather err on the side of falling behind on being the first on the news to make sure or try to get it as right as possible and that requires a lot of fucking time man and then on top of that I still got to review guns and do all the other stuff so

it frustrates me but like my mom said you made your bed and I laying it right my complaining about it but I just need some people to understand the perspective and where I'm coming from and why I'm not quick to talk about a lot of stuff because sometimes I just need time to figure out what the hell is going on because there are a lot of people I get messages who rely on my information to make their decision they don't just follow what I say they just use my information to make their decision so I want to give them the best piece of information like putting gas in your car don't put shitty gas in the car right I want to call the Run function

optionally so I'm gonna try to get the best gas as possible and so that's what I try to do especially when I talk about the gun issue yeah because right now there's so much misinformation on the gun issue and a lot of times people don't even know what they don't know like for instance would like when you had Alonzo bodden on here like I could tell liability sounds coming from a good place he just does something he just didn't know he knew or didn't know right then so that's how that's kind of where I put myself I said okay how do I tailor and craft videos in such a way that somebody who isn't necessarily A

one person can understand it what it Alonzo bodden said what would bother you part of it so some of the misinformation with respect to like background checks the background check aspect of it where he kind of talked about it from the standpoint of the the waiting period the questionnaire that you filled out in the beginning before you submit yourself with the background check that that was the background check and it wasn't until because a lot of people think that a lot of people think that I'll use go there fill out a yes or no question yes or no question here

about whether or not you can own a gun and then you get a gun and that's not the case and so I corrected that and then also what I did I just critiqued his position on a couple of things like for instance high-capacity magazines because he says he's like you don't need 50 rounds in a clip so to speak hmm well it's actually a magazine but that's neither here nor there but I disagree with that now in that regard he's not wrong that's his opinion my opinion is I think I do need a magazine that has 50 rounds and then I went on to explain why

would you say you want to kill 50 people no man what did you say well do so with respect to Y do we own Farms we want we owned Firearms a lot of people on our only firearms for self-defense right and as a regular person I'm not a criminal I just go about my day I don't want to be I'm already I'm already coming on the backend I'm already at a disadvantage because a criminal who's going out to commit a crime knows he's going to commit a crime and what can you do when you know you're about to do something you prepare

and since he's a criminal he doesn't have to deal with all of the restraints that come with what loss so if there's a law that says you can't have more than 10 rounds in like here in California right I can't have a magazine that has more than 10 rounds if I'm a criminal and I know I'm going to commit a crime do I really give a damn about a law says I can't come I can't carry 10 Rounds in my magazine right I don't however as a citizen when I'm going about my life carrying a gun on me is hot enough

right and because like you know there's hope this whole dialogues about what size gun you can have how many rounds you want to have what bullet caliber things of that nature I don't know what I'm going to face I could face one guy I can taste one guy whose high as hell I can face two three four five guys I don't know so why artificially limit the number of bullets I can have in my gun when I don't know what I might be facing to protect my life from what's a weird thing to it's like I don't know

if you're preserving any life by limiting the size of a magazine you're not I don't understand it it's not I think Martin in quechua no go ahead what the argument is is it they're looking at it from a mass shooter perspective right there saying if you limit the amount of bullets at the mass you can have to have more Clips yeah but again he's going out to commit mass murder you think he cares about breaking the law that says he can only have 10 Rounds in his magazine I think their ideas that it makes it harder for him to get

those clips because he can't get them at the local gun store more those out there than guns and we have over 300 million guns in this country right they're going to have them but you know with a lot of these Mass Shooters here's the other problem they're actually getting the guns illegally they're getting them from someone well they're stealing them from someone's gun safe or from someone's house that's what a lot of it is coming from anyway I think what a lot of I think a lot of the the kind of project not so much the politics and I think the politicians are by and large very disingenuous but a lot of people who support these ideas who are just regular people

I think it's their way of trying to figure out some way to of control because because mass shootings terrifies because they're so Random like they're like tornadoes to hurricanes you can kind of prepare for Hurricane you kind of have an idea of where the path is coming where it's going tornadoes they just touched down and Destroy shit right and you don't know where it's coming same thing with mass shootings mass shootings are terrifying because they just kind of happen out of nowhere like whoa what okay what can we do because you feel helpless you really feel helpless and even though they count pharmacist

Code Zero of gun of gun violence in this country they still terrifies because we don't know when or where it's going to happen see the other gun violence stuff doesn't really terrifies as much because we know where it happens right happens in the inner cities right don't get anything exactly right yeah but mass shootings terrifies from that stands because we don't know when it's going to come so we think okay well if we limit this and we restrict this then then it'll minimize it even more and it's like no it's not going to happen we have to deal with the reality and the reality terrifies me just as much as

one else but what are you going to do we're gonna lay down and die no you fight yeah and that and that's it and then now I'm the one I was on Bill Maher and we talked about arming teachers right the idea of arming teachers and he was like I was like well if a teacher is willing to sacrifice my teachers have sacrificed their lives for their students doing that shoot during school shootings so I'm like a teacher's willing to sacrifice their life for their kids why not put a gun in your hand to give them the power to fight for their life when he goes fonts because their teachers he's like they're there

there to teach and I'm like well they're already dying for the students well the idea is that it's mutually exclusive seems kind of silly yeah like there's a lot of really intelligent people that can teach and also know how to shoot a gun exactly that's not and and I think a misconception to was I was like a lot of people thought I was saying we need to mandate that teachers own firearms that's not what I was saying what I was saying was if some if there's a teacher who wants to go through the process of being able to carry a firearm enzyme rule

why not let them do that right that's all I'm saying when he said because their teachers and everybody clapped oh my God yes it was thunderous yes yes you got him that's a problem with doing a show in front of an audience yeah yeah no you do shit for clap because they're teach that now in all fairness doing the conversation he poked and he prodded and I think he gave me more of a fair shot than anybody else General he's working yeah he's intelligent guy yeah he is now when I went to the when I went to the

Round Table discussion I was a different story and part of it was I thought I could approach it rationally yeah and I couldn't because all the person that I was dealing with was doing was appealing to emotion hmm and so what were they saying basically there was like I would talk about the idea of background checks for instance and I was like well how are you going to enforce them and her like she was just kind of stutter and stammer but then if they should the Bill Maher posted a picture of a guy who had like a bunch in California had a bunch of guns that were

Aziz and she's like oh my God all those kinds who needs all those guns I'm like I'm like look I get it like you see in the you attribute a very nefarious nature to firearms in general I don't have a lot of guns I don't go around killing people and I only have two hands yeah guy only has two hands the number of guns he has is irrelevant then she's like but they can use those guns give other people to kill as many people like it just just just hysteria and I'm just like oh God that's not how this works well it's also a long conversation

station and this is my problem with any of those shows is that you got like three minutes to discuss something should be three hours yeah and at the end of three hours you're probably still yeah you still got to like walk away with a lot of questions and maybe not even really coming up with any solution and most likely now most likely not coming up with any solution it seems like it's a very particular human problem you know the problem of gun ownership in this country you're damned if you do and you're damned if you don't you know it's

and I think again one of the reasons why I want to bring you on right after this covid thing when I contacted you because I think that people are now understanding that hey this police thing that you were counting on to protect you well you just saw a lot of people that are trying to defund them now yeah you're not going to get them in certain places because they're in conflict with the state and the the government like in Atlanta or in New York where they're quitting left and right and

in California the trying to get the sheriff of Santa Monica step to step down I mean you got a lot of problems with the police yeah it's not as simple as call the police they'll be there for you they even when it was that simple yeah even when it wasn't effect it's an illusion right and this is what you and I and I know we talked about this before that this this idea that you shouldn't be self-reliant and you should be dependent upon the government this is what the second amendment was written for

people say it was designed like a well armed militia was designed in case you know someone was coming and attacking you like know it could be the government themselves government is filled with people Excuse me yes they're humans and when is the when have you ever seen a time where the government has said no we want less power you never and want to get power than ever give his own back and I keep trying to tell people like look I get you want to try things they just want to throw things on the wall hope it sticks yeah let's let's ban these guns let's limit this capacitors do this like you do that you don't get

back so even if it's a whip it doesn't work you think the government's going to say or better yet this this whole idea that they're going to have a gun buyback program right the voluntary by back you think they're going to give you your guns back if it doesn't work if the crime rate still stays the same which it has in other places that have done the same thing but Australia and they don't talk about about Australia is when they did it actually crime spiked did it yeah because you gotta think about it like the whole notion or idea that like criminals are criminals

annals of opportunity right right so no one has a gun has a gun think about it's just like what's going on in inchesnow was going on in Atlanta if there are no cops around criminals are going to show up and they want to take advantage of the chaos yes period and you're not going to tell me that no the cops will always be there look what happened in Canada the guy stole a gun from a cop killed the cop and went on a rampage Killing Spree for almost 12 13 hours he shut down an entire city

himself that one is a weird one and I was reading something about it last night see if you can find this that he withdrew a huge amount of money like more than 400 I saw this shit yeah cheers yeah he withdrew more than $400,000 from a bank account how does he even helps he even able to do that exactly and there's some concern that this might have been some sort of intelligence operation that there's something more

more to this story because they were talking about the way he got that money that it very well could have been that he was involved in something totally different level Nova Scotia shooter case has Hallmarks of an undercover operation police say the Killer's withdrawal $475,000 was highly irregular and how the RCMP agent would get money how n RCMP I don't know what that Royal Canadian Mounted Police I think that is withdrawal form of $75,000

cash by the man who killed 22 Nova scotians in April matches the method that is Royal Canadian Mounted Police Mounted Police right I use this to send money to confidential informants and agents sources say Gabrielle whatman who's responsible for the largest mass killing and Canadian history withdrew the money from a Brinks deposit and Dartmouth Nova Scotia March 30th stashing a carry-all filled with hundred dollar bills in the trunk of his car wow what a my thing is is like this for an operation that

Plex you think they'd be that sloppy

yeah yeah the filled with people government and the Canadian so they're actually nice sources in both Banking and the RCMP say the transaction is consistent with how the RCMP funnels money to its confidential informants and agents and is not an option available to private banking customers the RCMP has repeatedly said that has no in quotes special relationship with Wortman which means the regular relationship that's what court documents show that Wortman own

New Brunswick registered company called Berkshire Broman the legal owner of two of his Vehicles including one of the police replica car so he was a crazy person he had a police replica car and a lot of them whatever the purpose of the company there's no public evidence that could have been able to move large quantities of cash Wortman also ran his own what does it denturist business you make big teeth so it is denturist basic goodness oh wow okay so we had a fake teeth business yeah and there's no reason to believe that it would also require

that it would it also would require him to handle large amounts of cash if Wortman is or was an RCMP informant our agent it would explain while the force appeared not to take action on complaints about his illegal guns and is assault on his common-law wife whoa so he might have been a fucking informant

so you might have been working for the government that makes sense because there's a lot of sense if a doesn't make sense in there's a lot of sick fucks in all lines of business including dentists how many dentists have been accused of feeling up ladies after they put them under right I've yeah yeah there's some sick fucks that are in all lines of work including informants puss informants like you're a fucking rat so he's a he's a rat that went bad yeah could be so there's

complex is a complex backstory which I very much so yeah MLS still happen yeah I don't get it but then again it's funny because immediately after that yes unilaterally Trudeau basically said no more guns yeah but he's no more no assault rifles which are which Drive gun people crazy yes because what does that mean all right so salt rifle and assault rifle is a good to put it simply and I'm tried explaining some plain language people who don't know any different

and most people think when they see us here salt rifle they think a machine gun which is fully automatic or semi-automatic somatic fully automatic or burst basically it's like three rounds at a time each time you pull the trigger that's an assault rifle

AR-15 is are not assault rifles right single shot yeah the single shotgun you pull trigger once you get one bullet it's kind of synonymous it's like comparing a Rolls-Royce to a Chrysler 300 yeah why do they call it an assault rifle because it looks badass Waters who calling us all right A lot of people call an AR and assault rifle well because that's the language used by the anti-gun is who are pushing an agenda so what they want to do is they want to closely tie the idea of a machine gun that people

actually see being used in movies to what's being sold on the street so the distinction would be automatic versus semi automatic yes and the difference between an AR is you don't have to Cock it like a bolt action rifle every time you fire a shot yes yeah and that's one of the like one of the arguments in the hunting world is that you don't need an AR and it's not it wouldn't be effective and I've actually heard people say that I'm like no no as a hunter it would be more effective because oftentimes you need a second shot and you get that shot up you get out this

second shot instantly bang bang but it's ironic lie that's the same argument though used to why we need to ban them because it allows the shooter to shoot and it allows the shooter to shoot faster than normal and a now argue that's why we need him for self-defense yeah again it becomes one of those like really messy people problems yeah I could some messy is the common denominator behind all of it yeah 50 people people but now they've even what they'll do is they'll try to invalidate that argument is there cuckoo could put them into people problem and I'll try to endure try to undermine it by acting like

just a stupid Trope yeah but it's the truth why I made a tweet a long time ago I said this country has a mental health problem disguise as a gun problem I agree with you that's really what it is I absolutely agree with you that's really what it is it's and this is one thing that never gets discussed whenever one of these people does something really fucked up they don't look at the amount of medication these people are on that's funny they don't they don't think they're only dolls all on medication almost all there's a common denominator guns and medication and one gets looked

at very closely and the other gets blatantly ignore what do you think that is because the pharmaceutical industry has a shitload of money and there's a lot of these politicians that are in the pocket of the pharmaceutical industry they they have a firm grip on the narrative and the Lagoon is the perfect scapegoat and they also don't want all the other people that are on these psychotropic medications to feel bad that they're on them that they could be lumped in with the same people that like imagine if we just started like if it's ssris or antidepressants

or anti-anxiety medication imagine if that becomes the narrative in the news like that people on ssris are fucking dangerous because all these School shooters are on ssris now see that that's injured but hold on one second because that would almost be a better argument than the NRA because if you look at the NRA and you look at NRA members and the amount of NRA members that have actually done these horrible mass shootings it's like none yeah

it's crazy that the medication is a better correlation than the NRA like saying that people's fucking guys are gonna explode Rogan you shell you government shell they have information on you know I'm just I'm just saying the fans responsible gun owners are not the people that are doing these things it's crazy people and unfortunately crazy people are often times on medication now there's that that's like a correlation causation argument X well I'm not saying that the

station is forcing these people into doing that but I am saying that I have known people that have taken ssris and have taken antidepressants and a lot of different psycho psycho psychotropic medicines and one of the things that they've said is that it makes them not care about things it's real weird that stuff can happen it's like think it's a it disassociates them from emotions at this is so and things don't bother them and like that that's scary that's scary to me because I'm I am the total opposite I'm here I feel

feel everything I mean I really do I'm a very sensitive person I know how to handle it but I'm very sensitive could speak to the notion at me when you hear people describe the account of interacting with the mass shooter yes them having this kind of stoic gerbil eyes yeah they've got shark eyes yeah yeah they're all on medication man I mean it's really like the numbers are staggering and I'm not saying medication causes people to do that yeah I'm not mean it's something it's something that we need that needs to be talked about it doesn't explored like I said on the board

the of walk to talk America which is a mental health fire to a Mental Health Organization and whose goal basically is to address the correlation if any or between firearm ownership and mental health and is this something that you got involved because of the attacks on gun ownership and the recognition that there is some sort of correlation so the Catalyst for was to say because a lot of gun owners will say well it's a mental health issue

and we'll always say that yeah analyze the you and I agree we do believe that is the case so what Walter talk America does is it says Okay so let's walk the talk let's try to figure out how to fix or deal with the mental health issue component right if we're going to say that's what it is and it's not the gun and we do believe that so let's start having that conversation and doing what needs to do so what the with appropriate organization does is it it crosses the aisle with people in the mental health space and brings them over into the gun side and vice versa and so we can have those conversations to figure out a way how we can kind of

Alan's the firearm ownership with mental health because that conversation is not being had right and so I think if we're going to talk about it and say it is mental health issue okay so let's start this deep-sea dive into the mental health issue and see if we can come up with a solution that that speaks to why we have so many people that have these mental health issues and then how do we exist in a world where this many people have mental health issues in a world also where we have this many guns yeah and so so that we can better solve whatever problems we think we have instead

of just throwing around well we need to bend this we need to come up with this stupid law like instead of doing that I couldn't agree more I don't think it's that simple yeah I don't think it's as simple as Banning things because I think there's a lot of people that are responsible gun you know the gun users and gun owners and I don't think you should do anything to take away their rights yeah I really don't I did and I get in arguments with people about that particularly my liberal friends yeah you know they like how can you call yourself a liberal when you have those that perspective I'm like because it's rational I don't understand why

the gun debate is even politicized it should not be it shouldn't be political the fact that there's the things that Vision between like the fact that you can't be a liberal and and pro-gun it's raising me same way that like I can't be like the idea of being conservative and pro-gun is seen as a crazy thing that doesn't make any sense to me either I think the gun should live in a space that is it's it's outside of the idea politics within reason of course because you know there's always going to be everything politics is kind of everything right but I don't think it should be that

two fists of divisive lead to find between being a liberal or conservative yeah it's just so weird to me what's the prize I'm like we're divisive about everything it's raining there's there's certain topics like here's a good one global warming like I guarantee you man is global if you had across the board how much of climate change is natural versus how much of it is man-made and you just just a simple question and you threw that out there I guarantee if you looked at the numbers and

could get a real accurate assessment of how many conservatives and how many liberals responded and I think that if you said is it a hoax on you and you went to the the yes I'd yes it's a hoax it's overwhelmingly conservative people who think it's a hoax or that it's not not an issue I think the reason for that to a degree is because you have so many people you have you have very very out front figureheads who've tried to utilize global climate change as a way to kind of undermine the economic structure in this country

in what way like you know the green power and all this stuff like that like I'm like look at the green deal to me that's just economics version it's just trying to entirely change the economic structure of our country but can be more beneficial the new green deal for people don't know what it means like what they're trying to do but as far as the we need basically trying to try and replace all of our kind of conservative means of production with respect to energy and and replace it with green energy and I don't think it's I don't think it's completely sustainable and it's not even like it's Progressive it's a complete turnaround

a hundred and eighty and I just think that's irresponsible now here's the thing about that

from my standpoint right I could see myself just write a sinner as far as ideology I have not done enough research on climate change to have a definitive opinion about it

so what I'm telling you is what I'm seeing other people say and that's why I think there are a lot of people on the conservative aspect of it that are like it's a hoax because they see it as basic economics inversion now as far as climate change in it of itself I don't know I'm probably the last person to talk to about that because I like my car to destroy the environment have you ever driven electric car yeah you drove a Tesla yeah what did we shake you like like you're not impressed I don't want to be impressed you know

impressed all what do you mean because I'm like I'm I want to hear the rumble yes I'm concerned I love it now and here's the thing

the Tesla truck is kind of calling me

it's calling me kind of yeah I'm still alive I mean my favorite my favorite SUV or truck I call it a truck is a G wagon so and then that is probably the biggest pollutant on the planet with respect to SUVs but dope I love them yeah absolutely love them they're so heavy too yeah but I love them yeah they're dope the door you have to cut a chunk and you have to stick up a bank vault yeah and see that's all I kind of like that old same thing with the defender I'll get it like I love Sanders the Opposites aluminum your shirts dorm

is that actually true they made a fucking beer can yeah but this whole suspension but they looked oh yeah they're doing is they looked up whereas the Mercedes the G wagon is actually dope it's a difference explain it's a different animal the more Salient the drivers G-Wagon that motherfucker first of all super modern like especially the new one which are independent front suspension yeah it handles really well by the way none of these fucking Suburban housewives are ever taken those goddamn things off roading so I don't even know why it ever had to live axl's right

right it's like most of what it is is like moms are picking up their kids in these fucking be rich people but here's the funny thing about that because I had I had a 63 had a 2013 63 and I'll all the time like people think that's my dream car that's my dream and then they ride in it I'm like oh it's bumpy and terrible but the new ones aren't ya know the new ones are the ones handling sane and there's so fast for what it is yeah no I get it dude it's dope but going back to the Tesla to me is the future when I drive one of those

things and here's the thing too when covid Lon the lockdown happened Los Angeles all of a sudden our air quality was fucking amazing you could see the mountains it was crazy and I was like oh my God what are we doing ourselves what are we doing to ourselves I guess everybody had electric cars that would be the case all day long everyday happened to some people make the argument that what you need like the batteries and so forth and so on caused much destruction as to good argument so also conflict minerals getting these from like these poor countries they talking about about Janice tan and you know

I'm I don't know man I'm have a hard time having this conversation because I'm so biased right and I'm being selfish listen you got my garage seem to shit I have man I've got a lot of muscle cars man I love those guys but I also love my Tesla and I drive it all the time I love it man I'd love that it's silent I love that it's stupid fast I love that it feels like it's from the future it makes other cars filled dumb man it does it's just so Advanced ya know you and you're writing a funny thing is

all the reasons why I love the new do you Agate are the same reasons that you love the Tesla yeah it's my notwithstanding the electric engine so for me it's just me not wanting to I romanticize the idea of car ownership so much and driving and feel and all of that stuff you do lose that with some of the electric cars so that's why I'm kind of hard pressed to kind of completely jump on the electric card card been well here's a crazy thing to do we look this up I think we did because it was

something that Jeremy Clarkson said on Top Gear that when the exhaust that comes out of a 911 turbo is actually cleaner than the air in a polluted area like if you think I remember him saying I do driving downtown LA in a 911 turbo your act the exhaust is actually cleaner than the air that's getting sucked into the engine

that's how that's it is possible to make a low emissions combustion vehicle got this that the tyke on from Porsche well that's it laughter yeah it is but I mean yeah there was because in Dallas they did a the reveal and I was there and nothing's dope man I'm not gonna lie I was like okay so now this is the this is where we get the marriage between the Practical efficiency of electric cars and then the sensorial effect of having oh the old world cars that's right now it's starting to get that marriage and that balance right right

that only makes noise like it accelerates like you can press a button and make some Jetsons noises so like as you hit the gas of brewed with that you can deal with it I rather you mimic the sound of like an old muscle car yeah I can't get down with that yeah I might hate when like M3s were doing that pumpkin pie pumpkin is that yes they did in my m6 and you know what you know you're right shit what kind of yeah it was kind of weird yeah well that's the problem with turbos they sound whack

but you can get so much power out of yes but the am G's are also turbos like a mgg wagons are turbo and if they sound fucking nasty yeah they do figured out how to do it right with the exhaust that Porsche has not figured that out with their nose they haven't but man they figured out so many other things they figured out so much look if you drive one of their naturally aspirated engines use the the noise is So Glorious yeah that you don't ever want to go back to

the GT3 yes all the GT cars and I guess they're all those are generally there is the GT3 RS in the GT3 yeah they make yeah they make beautiful they make a beautiful sound yeah the GT2 RS sounds pretty fucking good to Porsche states that under normal driving conditions this car exceeds 31 miles per gallon and does indeed only produce a maximum carbon output of 300 units so in retrospect Jeremy Clarkson's conclusion upon the heavily polluted cities is plausibly correct and therefore quite amazing holy

yeah because you know Allah as dirty as fuck under normal conditions pretty amazing thank you Jamie man this better than James I like so heartbreaking yeah it's hard how about now and that's what I'm saying is you go down through Hollywood and see all the boarded windows and shut up staying in Hollywood oh dude tell me what it's like for someone who hasn't been here since the what's that thing Remember The Walking Dead yeah kinda close to that yeah it's Hollywood I mean Holly was already dirty anyway right

right and then you add the board everything's boarded up it's kind of like now it's starting to seem a little more likely to things open back up a little bit so it's not as bad but it's bad enough to go like man this is bad well like there's a friend of mine who is buddies with his photographer and this photographer is like he whenever the shit goes down he goes out and gets photographs and videos and he got this insane video of Hollywood the very night where everybody was smashing and burning everything

it's so crazy it's so crazy this video I mean I don't want to share it because it's his personal video but he's he's walking down the street and he's panning and it's just people smashing windows and things are on fire and people are running out of stores with packages and and it's all happening on the street in front of them the streets are covered with debris and dirt and and he's just he's just panning back and forth to this camera I'm like oh my God like this is Hollywood this is where I drive to go tell jokes like what is happening it's

man dude it's and it's such a beautiful city like you can see the beauty through the grime yeah and it's like

I don't know how it bounces back either I don't know what percentage of the small businesses were already on the way out before the rioting and the Looting because the covid fucked up so many businesses they were estimating this somewhere around 40 percent of small businesses we're going to go under and then you light everything on fire and looting and all this crazy shit is like oh my God La was hard to live in inexpensive enough to live in as is well the taxes are so crazy the California state taxes like 13.5%

percent taxes on gots yeah that's zero same as the movie we get Cruisers that were in the NRA differently we get crushed or property tax yeah but we get crush with that too yeah you know you're right yeah just not on specifically your house but yeah it's yeah it's like look there's beautiful parts of LA there's a is this so it's a lot of fun to this place this there's a lot of good things there's a lot of good people so a lot of good people because there's a

of people but it's one of the problems with it is there's too many folks I think when you get to a size that's sort of unmanageable whether it is you know New York City or Los Angeles where whenever things go sideways they go really really sideways in fast yeah and eat soft fast went from zero to a hundred with Conan like yeah your will to win and not only that and that was a point that I made to with respect to firearm ownership people don't understand how fast

you can collapse yes even if only temporarily right it happens overnight yeah that video came out just like that mmm police station on fire yeah buy-in and whole city was burning yeah and and then but people tell me that I'm ridiculous for wanting to own a firearm yeah they're ridiculous and they look ridiculous now you know that I mean again say it again this is one of the reasons why I wanted to have you on right after it hit know when I contacted you I was like this is the time to really talk about this stuff because

this is where people are more open to this idea we live in a messy world and I know that there's a lot of good people that don't want guns like I had a conversation with this comedian friend of mine when one of the mass shooting happens and he was like we just got to take away all the guns I was like okay well I don't know what to say but because that's your so off base I don't even know what to do it's conversation I know and that's the problem it's so many people don't have the conversation emotionally and therefore they start spouting out with essentially is juvenile Solutions same guy

years later trying to buy a gun stop it now Karis worried scared trying to buy a gun what do I do trying to buy a gun I want to buy a gun be confronted with reality what do I do yeah I don't know man and it's it but here's the best part about it to take California for instance I can you brought it up earlier in the conversation now you have all these people who are panicking went in to buy a gun because they feel they need one soon and fast they can't get it because you have what 10-day waiting period in California right and these are laws that they voted for

or white so they're just waiting nine eight exactly in every day Chuck and looking out the window we saw an entire city go from perfectly functional to on fire in a night yeah so it's so that's another reason why the whole notion of having waiting periods for me I'm just like Mama I can't get with it it's so crazy how everything went sideways like almost like I'm not a conspiracy theorist in the fact that I did I don't think like I had a really dumb person tried to explain to me that they think that George Floyd

was murdered so that the riots could have heard it too oh my God it's the dumbest argument of all time like yeah you got a fucking sociopath who's unknown sociopath he just happened to have him arrested guy that he's already had a personal beef with it's a dumb conversation but if it wasn't God damn it's like it's perfect it's the perfect storm you have this this

polemic sort of polarizing President right and then you have this disease that comes from another country and he's calling it the Chinese virus and you know we're already in trade War talks with China so you go wow imagine if China like release this virus there's all these crazy can speak if you're one of those people who's always crazy conspiracies you can come up with you then the George Floyd murder which is months into this horrible lockdown where everybody's losing their fucking my nobody has any crazy yeah angry man I was watching people

having they were driving so aggressive I could feel it the tension that because when people start losing money and there's no way to get it back and then it just losing their businesses through no fault of their own and then on top of that you see a video of a guy getting murdered by a cop and it's a slow torture murder and it's horrific and then the fucking City explodes and then what's unprecedented is that the whole world responds like when is the whole world responded gravy man is crazy I could have Glory

and like and now here we are here we are to gun enthusiasts gunshots on we're late for that one yeah if you hate me for this now like come on man there's I've you know I've been a hunter for eight years and I've had guns for more than 20 it's just I don't I don't want anybody to die I want anybody to get hurt I don't want anybody to cry I don't want anybody to feel bad I don't I'm a sensitive person is where is it

it's however I'm a realist I understand humans and I understand that we are a strange animal there and we live in this bizarre state of civilization that has a thin veneer that that thin veneer that protects us from all of our survival instincts and chaos and all of our tribal instincts and our brutality that we have just under the surface and I'm very aware of that you just some very very aware of the propensity

City that human beings have for violence and that's why I'm a gun advocate and that's why I support people like you and that's why I want to have these kind of conversations because I don't I don't think there's enough people looking at it realistically and I think there's more now and I think having a conversation with someone who's so well reasoned about this is very important right now yeah now it's I don't know why or how it came about but it's just something I've become really incredibly passionate about when did you first shoot a gun like what was the first time how old were you

like 24:23 so you were fairly old terms of oh yeah no I was not pro-gun I was not probably good what kicked it off shooting so what made you go to arrange my best friend asked me to go yeah he randomly was like hey you want to go shoot and I was like and I was scared I was more scared than I was anti-gun were you in law school at the time yes weight on it Dom and stuff starts getting so blurry I was either in the process of going to law school

school always already in law school I can't remember exactly okay but after that first shot

second shot actually let me let it lie the first osteophyte second shot I was like oh yeah now people hate hearing that II no no no it's not but it's no different for me a woman dude the last time I was here I was in hearing me in California I was in San Francisco to be specific I was filming for my show after we finished filming I decided to stay over for several days as kind of like a getaway

I rented a Porsche 911 GT3 on turo

found the most remote to row two rows like a it's like Airbnb for cars oh so you read somebody else's car they should pay me a lot of money for this right now it's basically yeah you can take whatever you card you have heard of yeah so I found the most remote Diner in San Francisco I could possibly find for my hotel I rented this 911 GT3 and I drove about an hour and 30 minutes to this Diner had some eggs had some oatmeal 8 got back in the car

drop back down the mountain went back to my hotel and then the next day I plot out another course and I did the same shit I drove down to 101 and just drove and it was most exhilarating awesome shit I've ever done in my life why can't I have that type of reaction to doing that but not to shooting a firearm it's the same thing well I think you should I don't have a problem with it at all the people that do have a problem with it is this emotional

oil in my opinion narrow-minded perspective I think it's narrow-minded in that well okay it's I think in one way it's not narrow-minded and one way if you would want to look at it with the best perspective possible you would hope that we have evolved to the point where we no longer need guns no one needs guns all across the land everywhere in the world and that might and strength are no longer factors in the way people interact with each other

our people would never no longer threaten people's lives are break down their doors or rape people or murder people or steal from them I would love that I would love that look I think if the three of us lived in a world was just you me and Jamie we would need guns to protect ourselves you're a nice guy Jamie's great I'm a nice guy we wouldn't have any problems so Jamie wears his hat back he's fine trust me he's trust me but you know I'm saying I mean that's the problem the problem is the unknown people that you don't love people that you don't you don't know anything about them

M and then people that look at you like an opportunity or like a victim rather than like a brother or a sister that's the problem with people and that problem largely comes from a bunch of different factors and one of those factors is overpopulation one of those factors is we don't need each other you know not necessarily as much and that you look at people that have more than you have and you look at them as have somehow or another they've gotten that through some nefarious way that's another perspective thing I've noticed too

yeah that that's a mentality that it's way more pervasive than it needs to be right the way that people look at success I was raised by my mom and I should be a fucking failure to be honest with you I am like the epitome of having a background where I should be nothing my mom was like look

if them why not you and not meaning any specific race or any specific type of people but just anything if you want something and you see someone that has something that you want work and figure out a way so that you can get it it actually be a motivation not something I looked down on and say well why do they get to have that that's not fair I should have that I think there's too much of that thought process in mentality in this country it's a mind as a yeah and I think it's scary it's scary because then what it does is it Bill if I success in

now instead of success being something that people aspire to it's now become something that people attack yes and I think that's incredibly dangerous incredibly dangerous yeah I agree it it's it's a very weak minded perspective to this one kinda mean there's different kinds of success to write this is success of someone who built a business versus success of someone who's doing some shady shit with which is true with loans and you know and fucking over people with

you know subprime mortgages and that there's different things that make you successful you know there's The Wolf of Wall Street money that you get from ripping people off but I think that goes without being said though yes that's pretty blatant but it's also like the done problem and people are messy yeah you know if everybody was like you know one have a problem with guns it's a messy problem that comes with just human beings because we're just weird people are weird now you're right and I but here's a funny

go like I have this kind of utopic vision of this this like Mass education on firearms and the reason I have it and I know it's a little naive to a degree but I do believe like the gun changed the way I looked at the world and I think the gun like a lot of like you know change the way you look at the world it taught me to work even though my mom really kind of beat it into my head the gun almost heard there's like a physical symbol symbol of self-reliance not

that I don't need anyone but to trust in my own ability to find a way to deal with any problems that I have sometimes that ability means go to somebody who's better at it than you that can help you do something to learn exactly or it means find the strength within yourself to overcome issue that you're dealing with the gun show me and not only taught me that it taught me responsibility because now we're talking however I want to Disney Phi it as far as the the

whirring Enthusiast aspect of it it's still something that's life and death that is a tool of life and death that can be used to take a life and can be used to save one so because of that that that part is a big responsibility especially when I'm carrying that very thing on me everywhere I go so it had me really appreciate life more I started to Value life a lot more most people think you get a gun and all the sudden you just want to take a life no like the I tell people this all the time the day I have to use the gun to defend myself

self I'm going to need therapy

Plateau I'm going to need therapy because it's made me value like they're not that I didn't buy you like before but it's something that brings it to the Forefront of your Consciousness when you have a gun and you understand what that gun can be used to do hmm and so that happens to a way more people than people realize most people think that people get a gun and they just become Reckless murderers we want to kill everybody when in reality there are number of stories people out there who I know a guy who the firearm help him get out of his depression

I know I know I sound crazy it sounds crazy but he'll tell you the speech about it and he's and he's very he should be I mean he grew up in the streets of st. Louis and he didn't he didn't have a good life he was young and he was depressed but then when he got in the firearms that allowed him to do with his depression because he found something he was passionate about isn't that that is crazy but that's something that does actually work when you find something you really love and pursue it and you get some like

that's one of the problems I have with the term depression like boy that's a blanket that you throw over so many different factors like what it's almost like the term drugs like if you say you on drugs yeah I drank a cup of coffee I mean really or are you on heroin it's really they're both drugs it's weird but depression is in many ways like that in that there are people and I know these people that have a real problem with their brain and the way the brain produces chemicals

owls same way some people have problems with their liver some people have their born with ineffective lungs these are all just parts of us being a person yeah and some people have like legitimate issues that I think they need medication for and then there's other people that these don't feel good and they call it depression because their life sucks and their job sucks and no one wants have sex with them and they don't have any money so they're depressed and they say I'm suffering from depression and so what do you do with that well some of those people get on medication and I don't know if that's really the answer

this is a lot of those people that I know that have discovered Jiu-Jitsu or discovered other things that they do yoga Eva it physical things often because they release endorphins and because they're actually healthy for you but also you get passionate about something and you see this Improvement and we were talking about that with guns I was trying to describe to someone why I like shooting guns I said one of the reasons why I like I said I'm not very good at it yeah you know I like learning things I like learning all kinds of things yeah I'm sure when I started a YouTube channel

annal when I started my YouTube channel I would go like I was I started with I think called IDPA Diaries which is like a shooting competition oh it's bad but you did it openly yes which is great so people can see oh this guy's in just because I see you now it's like if I didn't know anything about God's yeah yours is so good this is crazy and I see that's what I wanted when I started doing it I wanted people because I was like I'm a city boy I didn't grow up with guns so when I started putting my when I started my channel I was like okay I know there are a lot of people

hoard like me right and so I want them to be able to feel to be able to relate to the idea of okay I'm starting afresh and I'm not that good so YouTube channel was almost a way to quantify eyes my growth and if you start from video one and you go to my last video you can literally watch the entire progression and that's what I wanted it to be so I knew and I was it was hard because I knew Islands going to look bad yeah real bad and started with video one for IDP Diaries and then as

as time went on I stopped doing the Diaries but I was still shooting in front of the camera and even to this day I'm known for not editing out my messes mmm you're still going to see me Miss hey there are some people in this heart am I gonna like it's hard because I do so much shooting now there's an expectation that I should be good mmm so when I go out and do a gun review and I'm missing with a particular gun and an icy comets man you couldn't hit shit with their gun and you don't know turn it does hit my ego a little bit don't read the comments and I know right

the key yeah I mean you're on the right path you have great content just don't read the comments yeah do your best don't read the comments I think I know and I've started doing it actually have to cut it I've cut it by 50% so important so important for mental health yeah really is it really is because you don't realize how much of an effect it's having until it starts having an effect yeah and then you like why am I why am I such a shitty mood all the time it's just a terrible way to communicate with people you know through little text messages on comments and you don't even know them you know anything about them

they're saying mean shit to you - yeah I'm gonna tell you something the audacity of anonymity is insane it is it's a great way to put it it's a great way to put it yeah audacity of identity yeah Anonymous people can get away with a lot a lot it's also it's like a shitty way to communicate with people personally it's bad for you to shit on people like anonymous little comments on someone's Instagram page other YouTube channel it's just it's shitty shitty for you it's bad for you and I guess it before

I can a group grow my friends are assholes so I know how to give it back but if but if I do it now I'm gonna pull it out right that's the problem if you give it back and then people will find you as a Target in the start coming after you yeah you can't do that you can't do that yeah it's you better off just ignoring it yeah just keep moving do your best keep moving that's that's that's the plan now yeah that's the plan because I mean it's so the platform so big now to try to let all that in like I'm going to lose that

like it's going to affect me emotion how many Instagram followers you have right now six hundred and twenty four thousand imagine that in the room imagine a room with six imagine like the amount of like how many look up giant football arena is like what Jamie you would know this was like a big ass football arena 15 okay imagine six of them bitches six of them and that's just instantly like fuck you you fucking this all over you fucking loser

it should with a gun imagine all that that number there's too many people that unmanageable here's how bad it is or how bad it was I was reading Instagram comments if you to comments where I 1.4 million Facebook where I have 1.3 million uh dude 108,000 on in on Twitter sighs I was going back and forth reading all of that oh my God and and I was just I hit a point one day I was like dude this is not healthy so Facebook that's the entire city of Austin

you're the entire city of Oslo and fuck you fuck you you can't do that it's not can't do that no one can manage that no they can't yeah it's just too many people it's too much opportunity for people to suck which is true yeah just trace the face is the best way to talk to people always if I'm going to be honest I think some of it is my ego where I think I can handle it it's like this this false sense of stability that my ego has like I can handle a kiss him I can handle it but

the war of attrition is real it's still energy coming at you whether you like it or not it's still energy it is and if it's negative it's going to feel bad yep it might not feel as bad as it will for someone who's mentally unstable and I've seen some comedians who just get really crushed by comments and it's horrible yeah man like they come on the show and then they read I go don't read the comments like it's

Donnell Rawlings when he was on with the Riza from Wu-Tang I said well after the well Donnell is just he's a wild motherfucker and he's funny as shit and he's always loud and he just crazy Donnell is crazy but he was talking over there is a bunch of times and people I know they were going to get mad and he I love Donnell so when he was doing I was just laughing my ass off I thought it was awesome I would that was a great podcast and then at the end I said don't read the comments I hugged him like oh that was great Matt don't read the comments he's like you fucking told me

he told me not to read the kind of hard to do sometimes it's really hard because you know what it is sometimes and it's your own fault because what you what you go to do is to get your ego stroked that's really what you're doing yeah you're really going on there hoping everyone was like man he was awesome but I love them yeah I'm a produce a the minute you get up there you're like you suck and you're like oh shit all right okay yeah

I'm two polarizing to read the comments because people either love me or they fuck yeah which is true I've learned that yeah it's weird so I just go okay I'm just going to keep doing what I do something's going right I think I don't know man it's just a little bit I mean I think I think you can step it up a little bit you know do you know just turned up a little bit try to do my best I really am I mean I'm not I'm not a fan of me yeah you know I don't like what I do I think I could always do better you know it's funny a lot of people don't realize that people who put themselves out like you know fun to kind of like you and I

if it's not like even though we make kind of get affected by your comments there never anywhere close is to it being as bad as what we tell ourselves in our heads oh for sure we are I have the worst self talk on the planet yeah like it's bad it's toxic I do too yeah but I think that's also what drives you yeah you know it's just like I have a good self love to like I'm not as much as because I have a problem in that I'm a I don't want

say I'm too driven but I'm I get very focused on things and especially things I'm trying to get good at ya and things I take seriously whether it's stand up or whether it's doing this podcast or other things that I do UFC commentary and so if I fall short I'm very hard on myself yeah so that if I read other people that also are mad at me for fallen short in the piles on so like what's the matter I'm right there with you you know I do you like you're not gonna get an argument

from me other whether or not I suck like I'm right there with ya I'm pretty terrible everything I've ever done wrong fucking furious at myself for yep I'm the same way yeah I'm the same way and it's like I said it's nothing's ever enough no nothing's I mean I can have any Amy type in this can't be healthy but any type of thing I succeed at anything that I do that is a milestone that people are like oh this is awesome it lasts maybe 10 seconds and I'm like all right you need to do better yes but that's also why you really good at things and this is another thing that you see from

um people that are mediocre and if infuriates me where they come up with excuses for why they fall short for the come up for excuses for why they didn't succeed in their chosen profession they come up with excuses for why other people do well but they've been ostracized or they've been cast out and they never were accepted or they were treated like a second-class citizen no you were mediocre your mediocre and you're not critical and yourself yeah and I don't you know I don't wish that on anybody that's true I mean it is what it is

and I've in new thing is you have to get past I called the eagle wall you have to get past the eagle because yeah you get there just some shit you're just not good at right and so it's either one or two things you either pivot find something you're good at and go that direction or if you're willing to put in the effort figure out how to get better at what you're not good at right and then and then apply those things now it's going to be hard it's gonna suck you still may not even get to the same level or degree of somebody else's naturally talented in that in that sense but what's the alternative bitch about it and like you said

Ed complain complain complain when I see people particularly this happens when you see people come who are not very good commenting on people who are successful they start saying this is one of the reasons why I could never make it because the people that made their sellouts or their this or there that and like okay yeah is that you know who doesn't leave comments like that Winners this is still true that's the facts very true that's the fuck you Dave Chappelle's not going on fucking Twitter talking shit about people this is that's the facts it's

people who are really successful are the ones who are analyzing themselves looking at their own work and keep moving it doesn't mean you don't fail doesn't mean you don't fuck with me don't make mistakes and they think of the difference though is you do it publicly yeah you mess up publicly oh yeah that's a lot to take in and like even like when I went on when I was on there when I was on Bill Maher nose on the round table I didn't think I did a good job I don't it's fucking it almost impossible to do a good job in that goddamn Roundtable it was it was probably

probably my work showings now for reasons that I think I went into it thinking I could I went into it like a lawyer I thought I can go on reason and to be understand I was out class because they had a great command of using emotion and clapping well there's that yeah their teachers yeah I don't think it's a good way to

communicate and I said it wouldn't go on the show he's trying to talk me into doing a show and I think I agreed to it but then I found ways to get out of it this is why man talking one-on-one is hard enough like you have a thought sometimes you're expanding and I have a thought I'm holding on to it but then you keep talking and I'll know when to get it in there I lose it now when there's three other fucking people and they're all trying to get sound bites they're hoping you're going to be on YouTube while performative it is a lot of it a lot of is performative and then on top of it it really is performative because there's a fucking

audience yeah you're right and yeah and they're all liberal and they're all clapping and cheering and they're all in which they should be there his fans know nothing wrong with that a couple times I wanted to be like I'd make a point and I'm like really you're not going to clap it's a bad way to communicate in front of people like that it's one thing to perform if you're doing stand-up or singing a song or something like that in front of a large crowd that's one thing yeah but like having conversations in front of crowds it's like that's weird animal man weird added element and you're appealing to other

is to chime in and reinforce your thoughts yeah no no you're absolutely right now I will forever ever ever be grateful that he gave me the opportunity to go into that lines then because it's a place that I think a lot of pro-gun people haven't been able to get going to hopefully I communicated in a manner that was that resonated with a lot of people in the same way here it's I'd be lying if I said I did not value the ability to have the

for the time being with in this two-hour three-hour space to have access to your audience at the same time because I don't understand why I mean I understand why but I'm just passionate about this in a way that sometimes even I have a hard time articulating and so when I see all of these new people because I know your audience is very vast like I have a base there's a base of my audience right the gun people and a lot of them very conservative and with your audience it gives me the ability to

be to a wider Gap people who would otherwise never even looked in my direction because of what I talk about and so it in aren't that many platforms that are available right now that are willing to open their doors to the opposite perspective because you got it you made in your smart guy you know this this puts you in a very peculiar situation you can end up looking really bad because you're literally confronting

and testing out all of your ideas right and front of the your audience that thinks to know everything right and so many people aren't willing to do that because they're worried about looking bad which is why I give mad props to Bill Maher's well because there aren't that many platform most people just want to sit in there Echo Chambers right yell at the audience and say all right

right yeah so I can't I got I'm hard-pressed to think about any other type of platforms that may have a different perspective that would let me come on like this and that's just me being honest well I think it's important to talk to people that have all sorts of different ideas you know the thing there's nothing going on today where people talk about giving someone a platform you shouldn't be giving them access to your platform I'm like well what the fuck is the purpose of a platform if it's not to

start ideas if it's not like if you want to talk to someone I mean I'm not talking about someone like was in the KKK yeah minutes but talking to people that have controversial viewpoints one of the best ways to sort those viewpoints out is to challenge them and in fact there's a lot of people that would support a lot of there's people that have had on where I've confronted them on their ideas and it they lost a lot of fans because of it because of it because these ideas now fall

apart under scrutiny under someone who could talk to you for long periods of time and just start go okay well why do you think that and then they say this and that and then you go but where's that coming from yeah and then they see this and then as you get deeper and deeper you get to the basement and you go oh this is a shit there's nothing in here it's kind of me but I think the problem too is that people don't understand you can't know everything right so for instance we started talking halfway through we started talking about climate change right my knowledge of climate change is very limited

very limited you can help him like dude I don't know your mother some mines pretty limited to yeah so but I think the problem is some people have this expectation where they they tell themselves where I have to know this because people expect me to know yeah and if I say that I don't know then I'm going to lose and look I made I don't know maybe there's some DieHard climate maybe you know somebody is my argument that says okay well yeah that's because most people don't follow you for climate change right sure slip the climate change our argument to me is one of the things that's really fascinating about

and as I think and I mean this in a very this is a hard way to grasp this but this is the way I'm going to I'm going to try to parse this out I think it's a control issue and I don't think it's a control issue and meaning that people are trying to control people and that people are trying to gain control of one very small factor in our mortality and I think it's good to do that I think it's good to make the world cleaner and I think it's good to use clean energy and I think it's good to use solar

sure I think all these things are good but I think we're fucked anyway I think we're fucked anywhere from because of solar flares and volcanoes and earthquakes and tsunamis and asteroids and pandemics I think we're fucked anyway and I think if you look at the history of the world there's been radical changes before we ever came about whether it's asteroid impacts or massive fucking ice ages are all kinds of crazy shit that's killed off people from the beginning of fucking people there's been a lot of

and if you think that switch and totally to solar is going to stop all that other shit from happening you got another thing coming it doesn't mean that solar is not good it doesn't mean that cleaning the air is not good I think these are very important factors but the idea that it's going to save us but that's why I say that's why I say I think based on my limited knowledge it's both respected like the green New Deal things of that nature I think some of it if not more of it seems to me economically subversive I don't know I don't know about that I've heard a lot of criticisms about the green New Deal yeah

most of them from We're from Republicans I haven't heard any criticisms I would like to hear criticisms from Democrats at don't support it but I think the the idea behind green energy is great I do too it'd be wonderful you know I had electric cars less pollution you know the real it was really crazy as the best energy is really fucking nuclear has the least amount of impact just a taste it pretty sucky back in the Fukushima days didn't know what they were doing I mean they the energy that they have now

Snickers really fucking good looks we do a small impact fucking are massive City ships I can't believe I forgot statement that every called are you know they're big warships their carriers aircraft submarines as well I mean that's an insane yeah their nuclear yeah like yeah like I said this is out of my wheelhouse you know I got a business partner he's the electrical engineer maybe talk to you about that crap but I don't know about it either when

I say nuclear submarine that goes in one ear and she comes flying out the other my stupid champ brand I don't know what the hell I only know about them in the past everybody from like I watch it like I tend to like drink and then watch like documentaries on Netflix about to World War II and stuff like that yeah I hardly watch a lot of Hitler documentaries because the manner in which the people out in this shit so fascinating me scary scary way scary the strong leader

yeah the amount of power a strong leader has over whether it's kim-jong un or you know any that's the thing I would keep saying to people when they don't think that all that chicken happened yeah man I'm like listen they're human beings in 2020 and human beings in 2020 or under the control of a military dictatorship that's that's happening right now and it's happening in more than one country it's a it's a style of civilization that exists and has existed since the beginning of time I don't want it to happen here people don't understand our our way of living

is still a baby yep it's still a baby compared to the other structures that are out there in the world yeah and I thought experiment yeah it's experiment in self-government and you know a lot of people like this experiment should be canceled let's get rid of it for start from scratch and do the same shit that didn't work before I don't know man I mean I don't think we could start a new country you know I mean I know this trying to Chaz is supposed to be a new country but bitch you didn't even build it in those buildings you're basically doing the exact same thing that we did to the Native Americans didn't even take a week

they build borders yeah people with guns maybe people up for not complying they had bad cops they had they beat this to death for taking pictures like come on man you would be so pissed if the cops did that oh my God it's human man it's a human issue I think humans have control over humans I've told this story forgive me if you've heard it before I used to work as a security guard for a short period of time when I was 19 years old I worked at Great would Center for the Performing Arts it's this Mansfield Massachusetts amp

a theater that all these concerts are played out I saw Jon Bon Jovi there or Bon Jovi the band I saw I saw Bill Cosby perform there I saw a lot of what I was working there I saw a lot of shit and I developed in a very short period of time most of the guys that I got the job because one of the guys that I trained with at my Taekwondo school was a security guard who said hey you want this job it pays really good it's really easy to get to see concerts yeah and I was like okay so he hired they hide like a bunch of black belts to be security so it was

yeah it was like a bunch of us that were like belt in martial arts okay yeah like mixed martial arts or knows Taekwondo fish okay this is like before this was 1986 I was 19 so is 86 yeah it was like just a bunch of karate people yeah right so we're out there and we almost instantly develop this US versus them mentality almost instantly we would yell at people when they were doing things wrong we treat them like shit

shit and I recognized that I was like wow this is weird like instantly I'll become like I've developed this attitude that these people because they didn't want to listen they kept doing things are not supposed to do and you're supposed to enforce it you get mad and you do have some power because you have the security Jack and I'm so stupid never walkie-talkie the first day I was there this kid stole a golf cart first day and this guy who is the head security guys name was a leak at tackle this dude and beat the shit out of him with a walkie-talkie he beat this guy in the head with a walk

talk my first day on the job was like oh okay so that's how we're doing it like and again I'm a fucking child 19 years old I'm a moron I don't know anything and but I was smart enough to recognize like this is weird like this this attitude that we evolved developed as a security team this US versus them now magnify that times fucking hundred million and you get cops and grow yeah it wasn't their social experiment done like this famous social experience whether you like definitely

- yeah well because it's Chris yeah gotcha he nearly started abusing the inmates treat them like shit and it's funny because it's like so like I watch a lot Temple you know he calls me cause like cause it LARPing When ya authors like temps great yeah I loved him of this is funny because it's like how quickly how quickly they relegated themselves to doing the exact same shit that they were critiquing and grass hundred percent there pretending to be Progressive and they have borders now like let everybody

you fucks but they wanted to control it well how do you control things you control things with borders how do you reinforce your ideas what you have to be people up it's fucking crazy it's like these are it's like you're doing it's almost like a petri dish you do an experiment so this is a human lab and in this this lab is failing I know people think like people watch you do what you do and especially when they don't realize you've been doing this

for years and I like he doesn't do shit it's about a microphone and talk

I like all right I want you to come on camera find somebody who you even kind of sort of agree with have a three-hour conversation with them and then keep it engaging them in the entire conversation see how long you last and then do that multiple times a day it's not that easy but it's something you get better at yeah I know that's what's weird but I've got better at it through repetition yes and so in funny we kind of talked about this the last time I was here and the problem is is that when you only

watch the end result of your repetition and getting to where you are now people oversimplify what it is that you do

and so what happens is they think they can do it better even though they haven't engaged in the same level of repetition or thought process to really think it out so what I think is happening is you got all these kids with these grandiose ideas mmm right they go to these schools at Sydney's grandiose ideas from festive table like this is why we can do it also right we can do it and then they're like yeah keep us the country we can do it a lot better than they can

oh really okay well you see the result of that you have Seattle and things go shit like that and a funny thing is it's going to shit while still having the support structure of an entire city yeah it's as if you leave it is not like they don't have the resources of the other of the city to be provided for them basically a tumor bye see ya and so it's like if I was the government I'd be pumping guns into them about you guys need guns you should

get explosives you guys here's some some C4 here some biological weapons are some Anthrax else because if I'm trying to collapse it and the crazy thing is the founding fathers understood that human nature that there's always if there's a vacuum of power there's always going to be someone or something willing to fill it yes and if left unchecked it will become a black hole of power which is why they tried to organize our country the way that they did

by separating the powers the serves as a check against other other entities people don't really appreciate the beauty of that because they think that they can go into things all twisted lie and think that okay no I'll get the taste the power I think my you think money is intoxicating power is a whole nother thing like you pointed out even on a minor level of being a security guard at a concert it's intoxicating yeah now imagine being in charge of millions of people

all right oh come on Mal being a general that can lead people into war yeah you could decide to just fucking light up this city yeah nuts it's not it's been in people I don't think people have a big enough appreciation for how intoxicating power really is exactly and I think that's one of the reasons why you need a stringent evaluation process before you let someone be a police officer yeah instead of just like trying to recruit people it should be something where you don't want to recruit people you want to say listen

the shopping for you you know you gotta you gotta jump through hoops and ladders to get this fucking job the problem though is its we kind of have to measure that against

the problem is that means there will be less cops yes and we don't exactly have an overemphasis we don't like we have too many cops now right so it's like we don't have enough like how do we balance that right and then what do we do about the places where they want to defund the cops where they're voting overwhelmingly in Minneapolis to defund the police department I mean I don't know what that means let them eat cake I don't like because it's like if you what do you do when they're doing it to themselves I don't know but because night there's good people that live in Minneapolis the fairy true they're really turn that

yeah continue right because there's a lot of people that like in the gun debate or Anna Gunn discussion that you know when we talk about places like California and people are like oh it's not fair the gun laws here suck and a lot of people who like live in Texas or living more for your States like will move it's not that easy no it's not always that easy so you're right so I take that back because you're right there a lot of people in these places that don't really have a say and they can't just meet they can't just leave especially now right because post covid most people are broke yeah there's a lot of people that didn't work at all for three fucking

and whole months went through all their savings you're right all right try to move now and then also wears the jobs where this work yeah if you're stuck in Minneapolis and they defund the cops and like oh my God you better buy some bullets you better get get some guns and get some bullets and get some friends who also have guns and and form a small militia but you don't need that the founding fathers had a modest care how much you hate that argument

and for this they wrote that back when they had muskets but then we'll be so quick to invalidate the notion that well you know they also wrote it when they only had quill pens it's true you know yeah there were parts of parchment the tour I don't like so weird like Candlelight Bingo yeah yeah right fucking dope well they know they don't have no internet it's amazing how really well thought out there their system of government was seriously consider the fact that we still use it in 2020 I think

it's I think it's beautiful it is not perfect no not perfect at all nothing with people involved is perfect it's exactly nothing and I said that I used to say that when I was in law school and I talked about the law the practice the law and the idea that I was like theoretically be justice system is perfect it's just executed by imperfect people yeah the concepts are perfect they're just when you add the element of people who are imperfect then that inherently is what

the imperfection in the system right in the system is designed to sort of mitigate the affections of people exactly and it's done a pretty fucking good job think about how goddamn old it is yeah yeah now like I said there were there you know people do fall through the cracks and then there are you know there are some things that are deteriorating as a result of it in those things need to be addressed but by and large people need to understand that like it's the shoe hundred and forty-four years old or whatever the fuck

fuck it is my God damn it sold its really all it's crazy I mean I guess it's young compared to other oh yeah those systems those fucking dummies think about how they're doing it look at what's going on in China that's the oldest one we got yeah and that's crazy man the government and all businesses are intertwined inexorably want to run a corporation great you work for the fucking government you imagine could you imagine and people are wondering why they don't want to let wall

in like I've had people explain that to me like like companies that have been accused of using third-party backdoors to steal data and Espionage and all kinds of shit that's why they won't let them sell their cell phones here like that's a part of the that's a branch of the Chinese government action like they're not really a corporation it's like free and independent like apple or or you know and he's not even know how independent they are and they get to a certain size that is true and probably another chicken yeah at some point hey y'all yeah like there was access to data

there is a there is a such thing as being too big yeah well especially when you're dealing with information like with Google and you know and apple and you're collecting so much data and the government would love to take a look at that stuff we could save a lot of lives we could just see what this man's browser history is oh the beautiful pretext to tyranny we can save lives and that is that that is yeah man I can't get down with that I know I can't get down with it either but it's like what do we do

what do we do to keep it from sliding into the abyss I mean yeah get a gun I don't know Joe you can you get a little too extreme for me now brother like you couldn't have made five months ago people would really couldn't but now people like mmmm maybe hmm and it's a bit bittersweet it's very bittersweet because I hate that it had to come to this for

well to kind of start realizing it right but I can't be too surprised I've been preaching it for how long now that this could possibly happen right so it's kind of I shouldn't be too surprised but it still kind of Bittersweet my only thing is right now is I just I just for all the new people I implore you

go out I know I know sometimes a heart money's tight but if you have the ability it bare minimum get on YouTube and Just Gorge there's so much information even though YouTube has done a good job of trying to like you know filter shit out you can still search you can still get there you could just search it literally search what you want you're thinking they're definitely not promoting you never definitely not promoting like this this video will never hit the trending section of YouTube nope you know what else didn't know

musk wow right but he's a controversial yeah so they probably decide what trends and what doesn't Trend yeah I like you I love them he's awesome yeah I still I needed I still need I think we should have a conversation where I can sit down with you and talk to him about these electric cars though what will you say to him there he makes awesome electric cars broken you make can you make a non electric car as awesome as the electric yeah I know

he's also being facetious I think if you got a hold of one of them roadsters when they come out you'd be all in I don't doubt I don't doubt that that keep in mind keep my I'm telling you I'm being willingly stubborn about this I know yes we're doing yeah right with you a lot of my friends are right with you to a lot of my friends like no no no I need an exhaust note I need a rumble I need to feel it yeah I get it I get it it's magical man there's something to it that's undeniable it's also very American yeah

a V8 whoo that's American is frog when I drive my Corvette I-65 prevent I feel like a goddamn bald eagle you know it's like that's as American as it gets 65 Corvette side pipes they can't I can't beat it man no can't be can't be it's also you can shoot and beat it but that's up there too that's another thing that people don't want to hear you know want to know want to hear that but it's there's a thrill to shooting I mean think about it like like I've taken

some courses like course I take in New Mexico we're shooting out to 600 sometimes a thousand meters that's crazy naughty but so far and it's but it didn't you also talk about how beautiful it is people love long range shooting they get very addicted I'm giving them when you get to a thousand yards what's the amount of time between boom and think man it's it's extremely noticeable but here's where it's we really trippy I don't know the exact seconds because it all depends on

you talking about different bullet speeds we should tell people that Dinkins you're hitting the middle tonight name still Target yeah so the crazy thing is when you're watching it through your optic you see the paper trail yes you see the vapor trail and then you see the impact but you don't hear anything and then you see it thing and you're like whoa it takes time for it to come back because sound travels slower yeah it's crazy Craigslist bullets literally traveling faster than the speed of sound people realize that

yeah and it's naughty man and it's and then you take that you couple that with being in a beautiful environment oh my gosh you can't beat it yeah well I've shot at the range of really only shot rifles up to like 200 yards and that you hear Boom dink yeah so there is a difference though it's not instantaneous yeah I still do you still get the delay because otherwise you wouldn't even hear the dink you just to be drowned out by the boom actually which is how which is a lot of times it's like that's how suppressors work

because people think suppressors make things super super super quiet they really don't what because all the suppressor doing is its mitigating the noise at the muzzle right and people don't realize that when a bullet breaks the sound barrier you get a crack so when you shoot a gun typically speaking you hearing to sounds at once you're hearing the bullet leave the muzzle and then you're hearing the crack of the bullet break the sound barrier because it's traveling that fast so it's like a cow but it's happening at what it sounds like it's happening at once auditorially right but when you put a suppressor

us on it people are surprised because once it mitigates the noise at the muzzle all you're hearing is the sound of the action if it's not a bolt action and then you're hearing the bullet break the sound barrier right and so it's kind of kind of cool actually when you when you hear it now granted you wouldn't want to do that too much because so damaging to ears that's what about it was that what about a suppressor with subsonics so Emma that's the only one where it actually gets really damn quiet now but the problem is is unless you're shooting a bolt-action the sound of that

smacking back and forth it's loud as hell too hmm but what about a pistol same thing because your smack smack yeah you get to get the sound of the other side rocking back and forth so unless you're shooting a bolt-action you want a good we want to get as quiet as possible use a bolt action let's all Jackson with subsonic rounds the opposite of a suppressor is a muzzle brake and I have a rifle with a muzzle brake and it mitigates the kick yeah but it also well it's so loud yeah people get mad because you got kids you're outside of the cone

of blast right and so everybody on the side of you is getting hit by that blast ya fucked up by this last man they're really loud makes shooting a gun so much more enjoyable yeah it's like 50% less recoil yeah yeah really feels like oh it's like either one just presses do the same thing suppress mitigate The Recoil to so okay so you can go suppressor or you can go now and I tell people all the time the whole suppressor thing I think that's a that's a health issue I think so too I think it's healthy for your ear yeah like it's loud man

don't realize they have this ignorant idea the people going to sneak up on people to choose from no one's going to hear anything you mean the same way people do with knives yeah yeah I'm everywhere like but I mean that they think it's gonna be like the movies yeah it doesn't happen like that now it's not it's pretty loud flat is like a like I told you like I don't shoot when I shoot suppressed I still wear ear protection oh yeah like people were like oh you ain't like people in my videos like why are you wearing eye protection and you're allowed a hunt was suppressors and they do it out of courtesy the other

people yeah yeah I mean look it really would be good for people if they had suppressor but it's a thing in California I think they're totally yeah now you can't miss the person but I think it's also an ignorant thing I think it's been able to don't understand because you head-ons because you have people making policies based on movies right exactly these well you know I'll do defense this is where we actually make the movies so well they're very influenced by them here they use

like movies here they're making less of them in less of them here because attacks Texas yeah they're eating it California is eating itself yeah it is now like I don't understand that it's such a beautiful place it is beautiful it'll be all right it'll bounce back maybe soon as I get the fuck out I don't know I don't know but I think the suppressor thing is a really dumb argument I don't but they're trying to do almost everything to limit the amount of options that someone who wants to have a gun has here now

nothing nothing that people talk about because people are talking about oh it's just he's just a lot of make it a little bit harder well that that should Aggregates and at certain point what you start doing start pricing people out of the market right and so if you start adding because all these laws they're not to not free mmm like background checks aren't free people don't realize that right I'm not free so you have all these little these little fees and taxes and all this stuff you and I not gonna have a problem paying for him but you know who will people live in shitty environments and don't have a lot of money

that's who's going to have a problem buying guns to protection who arguably probably need more right and people don't understand or think about that or people don't understand oh well these are just reasonable laws and there's nothing unreasonable yeah but see here's the problem you stack them on top of each other it just becomes more of a barrier to firearm ownership the a lot of times a lot of these laws are designed to make it so hard and annoying to own a gun that you just don't want to do it hmm it's just too much and people like why don't you like mandated training well because I've already

seen what they done with other laws so all that's going to happen is they're going to start off with saying okay you need three hours of mandated training then it's going to be for there's going to be seven then another shooting will happen 20 now as somebody who's an entrepreneur who can generally speaking make their schedule maybe they may be able to do that somebody working two jobs

for dough of or five to nine they can't take there's no way they're going to be able to satisfy that right you know and people don't think about the real implications of that and so and it even even then even from a an inner city perspective right people who are talking about policing that that we police the inner city too much well where do you think they're going to go and enforce these laws if we have more of them where do you think they're going to enforce them they're not they're not going to to

to Malibu to enforce gun laws they're enforcing them in south-central like I mean that's just is what it is so people don't think about the actual real consequences of these laws they look at them and say oh well it's not that it's not that bad it's pretty reasonable no okay what about the other ten eleven twelve other laws on top of that that were considered just reasonable I think so many people are just buying the party narrative whatever the part of the narrative is you know whether it's the party narrative that we don't need Dunn's gun should be eliminated any guns

are bad they don't have like this nuanced very detailed perspective on what what gun ownership actually is and the reason they don't is because of the way we have the conversation hmm right now the conversation is the owner side on this side and we throw shit at each other but the problem also is who controls most of the mass media liberal people exactly and where drama and most people are your Shadow band

what it is that is what it is much man it's nuts man I have like it's like I look at stuff I'm lying I look at it I look numbers and then I look at it compared to people who are like in I don't know like Tech hmm they make Tech videos and stuff like that and I'm like our numbers are on par but I guaranteed all her videos and monetize well I shall have been he's real yeah you know it's real on Instagram it's real and YouTube it's real and Twitter it's real and all those things yeah and it's it does really not much that we can do I mean what mean I know what I

I do I just I pivot yeah you know one thing is shot and it's happened before like they'll just keep shutting it shutting doors on me and I just tried to Pivot and figure it out but now what I've done is that like which emphasizes the importance of having your own independent platform it does it does and we just hit three hours believe it oh shit really sturdy 3:30 then but I just want to say I think you're doing a great job and I think you know at all the people that are promoting guns and you do it in my opinion the most reasonable and well thought out

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