#968 - Kelly Brogan

May 31, 2017

Kelly Brogan, M.D. is a holistic women’s health psychiatrist and author of the NY Times Bestselling book, A Mind of Your Own.

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is actually effective and what's what is more effective is it diet is it exercise is it medication hmm it's going to be very controversial it's very it's talking to these people especially when you're a dummy like me is always a problem because I don't really I can't really argue against it so I'm sure he's going to be a ton of people that are emailing me right now going I wanted to do one more shot was a quack and I want to stop it save it

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alive that's it just like that so thank you for doing this welcome it's going on total pleasure or nothing happy to be in LA are you I am always New York's good right now though right it's good it's like Jewish it's like an addictive relationship but most of us would rather be in California New York is yeah yeah yeah it's your psychiatrist yeah I would think that there is ample work in

York just the environment that New York provides people stacked on top of each other like that beep beep honk honk fuck you all that like I would assume all that stress leads to a lot of people with absolutely I think you're a fisherman you want to live near a river right and it's fetishized in New York to to have a psychiatrist it's sort of almost expected that you do so not only is there like ample supply and demand but then it's you know it's a thing I talk

yeah yeah what's that about it can you explain that I think it's like you know Woody Allen level right like sort of embracing Your Shadow and there's something refreshing about it because we don't pretend to be okay I mean we're deeply not okay in New York chronically well it's someone okay it like in general anywhere is there a spot like oh yeah Seattle they've got it nailed I mean there's this term actually in the medical literature believe it or not called paleo deficit disorder and it just refers to like how far have you

from the path in your lifestyle like basic stuff Green Space movement you know sleep and I would imagine that if you have more of those components intact you're probably a bit more okay than if you're living you know right and you know Midtown Manhattan like Seattle in the summer to me is a really good place because it's so green and it's so pretty and the oceans right there so you're getting some good air and then you getting sun because it's the summer so you don't have to season

no depression thing that goes on I mean I imagine they're doing better they're doing their best summer you never have heard it's like crazy beautiful yeah it's awesome it's awesome but those winners they get to you after the 30th day array annular come on this is stupid like how much water do you need yeah I'm like a big big winter complainer and I have been my whole life so I complain 10 months of the year of what it's like to live in the Northeast but recently I've been playing around with the idea that there's actually something cool about like

you know sort of cyclical living it's almost just like if you embrace it then there's something just like everything is dead and miserable for a period of time and then it blooms and then you get to experience like this rebirth and then it you know flourishes and then it dies again that there's another perspective on that actually being I don't know like if you work with it it's sort of like a woman who's on birth control has no idea that there's any point

you know a cycle of energy over the course of the month Ryan just sort of thinks is that that's annoying but there's a way you can wrap your mind around it where you would like okay so like if you're on birth control you have no menstrual cycle right so you're just like oh you're like a man you're like a flat line the whole month but there's actually something really empowering if you understand how to work with your energy shifts because naturally like a woman's natural mint I know this is really what you want to be talking about right I don't mean it

it's alien to me so I do want to hear like I figured this out I'm 39 I was on birth control for 12 years so I never knew what it was what it meant to have like a menstrual cycle until very recently because and I had two kids breastfeeding so a couple decades into my life I'm just figuring this out but you have like totally different kinds of energy over the course of the month and you have to know how to work with that so there is a kind of energy that you want to go out and socialize or you want to stay in and work or you want to sleep more or less and if you don't know how to

that then you could be sort of taken off guard by it but if you know how to work with it it's so much more powerful than just having this like artificial hijacking of your endocrine system that's interesting so there's like some sort of analogy to be drawn between the cycles of Nature and the cycles of your body month to month ago yeah I would have never considered that I never even thought about it but I have thought about birth control before about how crazy it is that you give a woman a hormone that convinces her body that she's perpetually pregnant

and that a giant percentage of women are on it for convenience or even from other medical issues like skin issues rightly exactly yeah I mean when I have always been a feminist right so even when I was younger and very much asleep I identified as a feminist and I was one of those people who thought that birth control was like a female entitlement like how dare you not make this free and widely available but as I began to research more about it and more about how it's in many ways like the

damn it you know not to sound too inflammatory but the ultimate tool for oppression of you know the Modern Woman now I find it incredible that we you know there were still taking it because it seems like a good idea right who wants to deal with your annoying menstrual cycle who wants to get pregnant who wants to have endometriosis or polycystic ovary you know who wants to have acne or like hair growing in weird places but it's the magic pill illusion there's no free lunch there's never going to be

something that just fixes it for you and you just Waltz off into the sunset there's always a cost and the cost is so much more vast like ranging from literally death all the way to just like subtle alterations in your personality and like the fear moans you secrete you know and there there was just a million woman study in Scandinavia that showed about the vast increase in antidepressant prescribing for teenagers who are prescribed birth control so it's the

meaning of sort of is a gateway drug sometimes for psych meds to I heard I had a friend who one of his good friends his daughter died from some complications with taking birth control pills and smoking cigarettes yes pulmonary embolism probably smoking cigarettes apparently along with the birth control pills are extremely dangerous but so many do it of course and you don't even have to have that additional risk factor you know because birth control whether it's the pill or something called the NuvaRing buy it

itself has that you know I'm contacted Often by parents of girls who have died from pulmonary embolism who have now become like activists in this realm that's because of birth control pills yeah I know it's like a known mechanism and it's a known risk factor like I think that's not being suppressed or hidden it's just that we are sort of in trained to dismiss the risks as we attached to the promise so we sort of like collude and ignoring that potential you know that's so interesting because most people

they think about the birth control pill they think about it as something that liberated women because they can control whether or not they got pregnant and they were allowed for the first time to have careers and do whatever they wanted to because they didn't have to worry about being trapped that's right right that's so sorry but that's the biological free lunch thing right there's isn't there also a lot of issues Chris Ryan was on here dr. Chris Ryan the author of sex at dawn he was on here and he was talking about how women

can like if you smell the clothes of other men you can literally tell the men that you are attracted to you would be biologically compatible with those men and that when they did these same studies on women who are on the birth control pill they couldn't smell the difference that's right it's called the T-shirt study yeah how's that work could you explain that well essentially the the premise of pharmaceutical medicine is that you can just pull like one little thread of the spider web and leave the rest of it intact

else has to be fine we're only working on this one area so with birth control for example the idea is we're just you know taking over the management of your sex hormones but the rest of your body is going to be totally unaffected and of course as we learn more about how all of these systems are totally and inextricably interconnected we have a better understanding of how you know when you interfere with sex hormones you also potentially have other effects including raising

things called binding globulins including inflammatory response you're depleting a number of nutrients and we're having you know it's possible that we haven't even begun to look through the keyhole of the effects on brain and you know sort of neuropeptides in these Arenas where we don't have any idea what for monel secretion is about like we just have to defer to the probability that our bodies are more complex than we've right like begun to understand so your biology

is meant to guide you it's meant to empower you and it's meant to you know create a sense of Vitality if you can inhabit your body and be in a truce with it that's part of the problem with the mindset of birth control is I'm just going to you know take this over I'm going to some manage this and who knows maybe even it's a top down like mindset thing that begins to sort of divorce you from your sensibilities we don't really know is the point that's going to that's

going to be a common answer I think yeah I have to give you is that we don't really know but it does make sense that you're you know the subtle nature of your biology that involves you know sort of guiding your human interactions and particularly sex-related interactions is going to be derailed I mean low libido is one of ironically the most common disclose side effects of birth control so you're taking it so that you can have unprotected sex we don't feel like having sex ultimately anyway so it's not even really

that well-thought-out I think by most of us it's very bizarre but what other alternatives are there I mean if you're a woman and you want to have control of whether or not you get pregnant there's not a whole lot of options other than weird ones like iuds which seemed real weird yeah I mean there is some of my patients use what's called a copper IUD you know it's funny because I had one put in and to and out it costs like $700 in two and a half weeks later I had it taken out because I just felt weird about having like a pharmaceutical metal

my body was felt like a tracking device if I feel in there no no no it's not raining it's just like psychologically felt weird but I use something called a daisy which is like this highly calibrated thermometer and you track your you know because you have six fertile days a month this isn't you know like some major sacrifice you have to make in order to learn how your cycle works and then you get the benefits of being in your hormonal milieu you know like it's not

it's not that complicated but it real quick there's a learning curve you know requires like learning how to be a woman and also sharing the onus because you know with all of these side effects have been talking about you know there was like a male birth control study that was just terminated because of how many side effects like the men didn't want to deal with you know so there's such a socio-cultural double-standard around this but if we're talking about six days a month like how do we collaborate and try and figure something out you know that doesn't involve a risk of death perhaps so

so this Daisy thing just monitors your temperature and tells you exactly what's going on yeah I mean it's a little more sophisticated than that it actually has the efficacy like above 99% efficacy if you listen to it that's part of the you know right room for human error but it basically just tells you like have sex now if you want to conceive or if you don't then don't write a little like a little lights green red or yellow how many women are on birth control if you had to guess Nationwide you know I would

that's a good question I don't know the stat offhand upwards of like 10 million I would say but that's how it's staggering number of people taking some sort of a substance that alters the very nature of who they are exactly yeah I mean my interest in it really came from looking at the psychiatric side effects because I'm very interested in medications that have potential you know Gateway effects around psychiatric meds that we aren't informing women of before

they start the prescription so you know whether it's like acid blocking medications you know or antibiotics you know birth control vaccines these things have known a psycho biological effects if you don't know that then you'll never connect the dots and then you end up in the polypharmacy realm where you're taking multiple meds right without ever knowing where the dominoes like started to fall yeah I remember there was a commercial that used to have I don't know if they still are at but it was for

psychiatric medication that you take who's an antidepressant when you were depressed from antidepressants do you know what I'm talking about I think you're probably talking about Abilify yes yeah it's exactly the number one prescription in America I recently terrifying it's a he's psychotic yeah well you read the side effects it's like whoa slow down like what is this like psychotic thoughts and death and yeah bleeding and right and if what you were taking that had similar

if x isn't working then you can just layer this on it's very common practice it's very rare I would say actually for people to be on just once I get Rick Med it's almost real industry standard to be taking upwards of I would say you know two three sometimes even five many of the patients I work with come to me on a cocktail of like five medic Jesus Christ yeah well you're chasing something for like years right because you're never really going to feel yourself

the way you want to and that's what I found is really what we want you know like we just want to feel comfortable in her own skin we just want to feel ourselves like in fact we don't want to you know be her or him or be rich or beautiful we just want to feel cool being who we are and you're never going to I don't want to say never it's a very unlikely you'd feel that way while on a medication that has Consciousness altering effects and a slew of side effects and so you're going to be chasing that with other with the promise of other

it's you know a stimulant because Europe axles making you tired and then you need a benzodiazepine because you can't sleep and you know then you're sort of depressed again and so you have another antidepressant layered on and then there's a fad you know sort of you know bipolar to medication that you could try out like Lamictal or Abilify and so this is sort of the culturally sanctioned approach to mental health today yeah so how does the doctor know like say

if you they get they put you on some Zoloft or something like that and not to pick on Zoloft but then they say well it's just not really totally doing it for you while we're thinking about stacking Abilify in with the Zoloft and I think that just might be the ticket to your happiness right right right yeah well it's is important to remember right like particularly in Psychiatry there's no objective testing measures all give a broken arm like hey I see you have a broken arm we're going to put your arm in

Cast Away the broken arm you can get an x-ray right right improve they have a broken arm right in Psychiatry there's no blood test there's no EEG there's no you know scan of any kind it's a conversation sometimes as short as 10 minutes like say if I came into your office and my office is a little different okay but just save your regular Psychiatry yeah and I'm like man I don't know Kelly I'm a fucking mess I can't keep it together what do I do what do I take just start someone off on a low dose of something and see if it helps and they come back in a couple weeks like

how does it work yeah it's like it it's like an art form I mean you have your personal favorite medications that you feel comfortable prescribing so you're more likely to prescribe them but then also in this is also you know in the literature itself if a patient comes in asking for a particular medication then you 49% I think it was like of prescriptions that are written are written because of specific patient requests so like Jesus where are people getting shot exactly they're getting these ideas from the fact that we are one of three

countries in the world that allows for direct to Consumer and there's other ones North Korea and Russia no it's the other one I think it's a friend Brazil and New Zealand oh wow that is surprising it's weird right it confuses the hell out of me when I watch those commercials in those like Beautiful piano music playing and there's cartoon flowers or smiling and everybody was like what are they selling me this is ask your doctor multi billions are put Angeles

commercials yeah for good reason so there's no real like there's not like a blood test or something they give you they say I think this is going to be the ticket for you nope yeah no it's very impressionistic and that's sort of the issue I mean the diagnostic and statistical manual the DSM is sort of the dictionary so to speak in Psychiatry and like in the 50s it was like a hundred and fifty pages and now it's 886 pages

and it's grown in volume largely because of the consensus decisions of a bunch of older white men sitting around a table and damn white man was definitely say that the Bane you know almost all of them have industry ties and this is out there this isn't like conspiracy yeah no my wife's mom was a nurse and she was always telling me that they would get taken out on these really nice dinners by these pharmaceutical companies take you to

real nice restaurant by steak and champagne know and everybody can have a drink and you know they would be so willing to be like very complimentary of this medication while I know a girl who took this and it really helped her a lot and you don't like I was in that you know generation to where I got taken out to five star restaurants in Manhattan all the time buy you stuff it feels really good because you're making like 20 grand a year working your ass off and so when someone takes you to a fancy restaurant with your friends

yeah but you could convince yourself that it's not actually going to you know that you're an intellectual and you're going to make your own decisions but all of the data suggests otherwise that you are unduly influenced by that kind of courtship behavior and it's it's true so we have this like you know sort of collusion on the part of the doctor and the patients to support industry interests over any sort of no shred of a scientific or evidence-based process for really diagnosing someone

well especially when we're talking about something that is so subjective where it's not like a broken arm right where I like Joe you've got a broken arm like I know what to do we're gonna set your arm and give you a cast it's like so you feeling down hey man right I don't like do they even asked you like does this distance does a normal cycle like I guess like someone who's really good wood but is your diet and your sleep patterns is that a consideration before they prescribe medication medication No in fact

most sort of turncoat doctors like me will tell you that we have one hour of nutrition education in all of our medical school and residency training 1q a turncoat are you like considered like a rat be a bad person in the industry and not welcome in the really Halls anymore now I like about Michael T positions and yeah why and it's not just for being honest and stuff because I guess the kind of

of science that I bring to the table which is not my own I don't have any original ideas but I am really good I think at curating information and collecting it and synthesizing and presenting it right so what I have to shine a light on is very inconvenient science for industry interest but also for conventional practice because you know I don't prescribe medication anymore under any circumstances ever but I do have an entire practice you know

to taking people off of medication so I have sort of my thing and it's a lot based on lifestyle changes you mentioned right if you don't have your methodology as an alternative to prescribing and you're going to acknowledge what a lot of the science says that condemns the pharmaceutical approach what you going to do instead you just invested $200,000 of debt Blood Sweat and Tears indentured servitude for like a decade of your training you're going to give that up you know so it's a lot

what to expect the average psychiatrist to acknowledge you know anything beyond what's called like consensus medicine it's called that because it doesn't even have a connection to the evidence is not evidence based it's just they all agree on it and they're just going to keep doing it you know so this consensus medicine like in Psychiatry there's kind of like this understanding that you don't criticize the the system that everybody is operating under you just work within that system yeah why would you bother you know because it's going to get you

you're comfortable for you is going to get you in trouble and it's okay there's no incentive you know like I read more science than probably all my conventional colleagues put together because I have a lot of incentive to do so because I'm practicing outside of the you know the gold standard so to speak so when you're in the fold why would you bother reading science who cares you just do what you were taught to do don't question it you know so it's you know the reason that lifestyle

is not presented as a relevant factor in conventional medicine is because it flies in the face of the whole model right like the model is still a gene based model it's still you were born with it you know it's like cuddling the victim there's nothing you can do about it so you know you better just be a good boy and take your medication it's the only thing you can do because diet doesn't matter you know whether you're you know huffing fumes through your window doesn't matter

you're eating six cans of tuna a day and mercury poisoning yourself doesn't none of that matters really maybe it's like of minor interest but the real problem is your inborn genetic chemical imbalance right so if that is the premise and it's not just in psychiatrists in all of medicine is gene-based determinism freeze Pharma to offer the only solution and it actually validates people on some level as the victim right so like a lot of people want

to feel weirdly you know like their own victimization it feels comfortable even though there's science that supports that having a healthy nutrient-dense diet allows your body to produce the all the healthy hormones and chemicals and neurotransmitters and all the fat and then along with exercise which also increases it stuff is the having there were studies also show that exercise regular aerobic exercise in particular it does as

much to treat depression as ssris more yeah actually because the efficacy of most antidepressants is pretty embarrassing like you know to be frank because if you really dig into the literature it's not what you think it is in terms of really being a viable treatment option so many of these natural alternatives like far outpaced I mean things even like herbs like tumeric or acupuncture yoga you know exercise and that's just a

single intervention so there's nothing miraculous about my Approach is basically just putting all those things together at once for like a synergistic effect so you can send your body and Minds like a signal of safety right and it works right so if you're just doing one of those things in isolation and even one of those things is more effective than you know it's really it really comes down to the mindset because if you want it in a pill it's going to be challenging for you to get results

through effort or something behavioral so the mindset pieces become a real Focus for me as being maybe the most important determinant of what's going to be ineffective the mindset peace meaning meaning what you believe like about health and if you want to you know believe that you're broken and that you know chemicals are necessary to manage your scary body and my change a lot of smart people who believe that I have a friend she's a scientist she's very smart and she's on antidepressants

oppressions and if you talk to her she will argue to the death and these are critical for her life and that she needs them and she has some sort of a brain imbalance and it's no different than having you know some other organ in your body doesn't function properly you need medication for that we've been told that I was told that and I believe that for sure you know the analogy is often well it's like insulin to a diabetic it's the same thing and the more you you know challenge that you're stigmatizing mental illness yes how dare you you know I've been excused actually approached yeah

an accused of shaming yeah women which is of course the last you know all I care about is is empowering women around their health literally I wake up every single day and devote my life to that purpose like the last thing I have any intention of doing is shaming anyone who's made this decision well it's just whenever something make someone uncomfortable with their choices they immediately want to turn someone else into an aggressor or someone who's victimizing them this this woman that I'm friends with it's unfortunate because

I feel like if she exercised only she would know they she doesn't exercise so if you don't exercise do you don't really know if that would help right you know but I hate to be that guy because I already am you know I thought proselytizing you got to work out God has fucking annoying that's like the CrossFit person or the asset izing vegan or whatever exactly new cult member you know they just you just want to and it doesn't work because you never going to convince them why people they hate you it's true and it's like the you know you bring

horse to water thing yeah you know you can't you can't make it happen course but there is more Readiness now than I think ever before like people are ready and once they have the information it's sort of like you know you like and then they just transform all these conversations are happening now more and more with people where they're starting to look at like what what is it in my life that's causing me stress what is it in my life that is depleting my sleep patterns or my health

'The have I ever gotten my blood test done and find out where my nutrient levels are stuff yeah see and you know and everybody's nutrient needs are very different biologically people like people are going to respond differently to drugs people are going to respond differently to food it's just we come from different parts of the world and some people need different stuff and this is being called like end of one medicine and meaning like meaning the number of people in a study so like the phrases and of one medicine because we're beginning to understand exactly what you're saying which is that

it's you this is your thing this is your journey this is very specific to you right so like you know your depression let's say could be because you have a B12 deficiency it could be because you have low thyroid function it could be because you're taking birth control it could be because you know your dog died it could be because you have a shitty job that you hate it could be because your marriage has to go and it could be because you're ready for some psycho-spiritual emergence you know and

you are the only one who really knows and who really can figure it out but we on the conventional side of things seek to depersonalize it so it's not you it has nothing to do with you it's just a chemical process that's unfolding and you need this one-size-fits-all intervention it's very disingenuous but it's also super common isn't that weird that that that everyone know I mean there's the access to the data is there for everybody it's there for psychiatrist as well like they would know the efficiency or the effectiveness rather of

us right but that's what I'm saying it's really coming down to like almost religious level belief systems like either you believe right which I used to PS either you believe that we're sort of machines right like as Alan Watts would say we're like flesh robots on a dead rock floating in the middle of nowhere so everything is purposeless and random and it's just bad luck and bad genes and you know it's like the other shoe could fall at any moment and life is just a hustle and you're just

to survive and you got to Avail yourself of real medicine which is pharmaceutical medicine is the only legit option and you just got to do it and you know what you want some credit for even Having the courage to actually take the steps to take your meds right so that's one mindset and then the other which is I believe growing is that we have no idea what we're doing scientifically and we're just looking through the keyhole and science is a process it's not like a destination

in where the science is settled my favorite phrase so you know the body itself has this you know chiropractors call it vitalism like has this innate wisdom and it doesn't make mistakes like it doesn't mess up every single thing your body is doing is in Wise response to a perceived you know stimulus right and of diseases of course right like answer no leukemia no it would include without exceptionally without any could explain what I'm okay I mean by that

that but but right so so if I have an acre of pain or I my hair is falling out or I have a tumor growing out of the side of my body

My First Response it's possible could be curiosity like it could be what is this about you know where am I off right because in like indigenous cultures for example illness is not like something that your body is doing it's the you know sort of manifestation of things out of balance with you and your soul you know with you and the relationships in your life with you and nature and maybe the collective itself so it's this

it's this physical manifestation of something much deeper that has roots and until you understand what those roots are for you you won't resolve it right Billy serious error is like birth defects and things along those lines that's not like a wise response to anything right it's an error it's a good question you know the the sort of like congenital question like if you're just like born without right leg I mean you could take it to the extent where you say okay so what drove the birth defect whether it was some sort of

if you know okay so let's back up a second because epigenetics right is the word du jour for Beyond or above actually technically jeans right so there's the jeans are interesting but perhaps as insignificant as like 1% of what makes us sick right or well we never study what makes as well that's like a total black box but epigenetics is like how does the environment impact our genes right so you could argue that a lot of congenital you know

of malformations and things like that because this was an area of study for me when I was prescribing to pregnant women which believe it or not was my specialty prescribing psychiatric meds to pregnant women that it is a risk in response to that exposure and it's the body's method of adapting to an exposure is an adaptation or is it just an error like if someone's born without a leg what kind of adaptation is that it seems like such as some sort of a genetic error know it depends how you want

to look at it I mean to me there are no errors because the body is responding to a perceived stimulus now if you throw a lot of toxicity you know in the way of your body there may be a limit to which it can or will accommodate right because like something confusing for me was at one point I was reflecting on the fact that you know we've had all of these environmental exposures for like about a hundred hundred fifty years like since the Industrial Revolution right so we like live totally different lives now with all these toxic

there's that we sit all day and we don't sleep and we have Monsanto and all the rest pretty much for like the past a hundred years or so we can adapt like my body is adapting within the hours that were you know hanging out so why would it not have adapted over the past 100 years and like a Paleo argument is like like we've evolved the same way for 95% of our evolution in and now we just haven't taken enough time to

evolved to catch up with today's modern influences right but I actually think we're not meant to accommodate this and we will self extinguish like if we don't course-correct which I have faith we will do but we're not meant to adapt to this kind of like cubicle life traffic yeah exactly so that you remember goals you know to be the end of people if we don't course correct I think we will and I think it eat yours happening pretty much like I think even though we could

we adapt I think we won't because there is like a cosmic intelligence that is holding us accountable to a certain level of respect for this human organism a certain level of respect for the privilege of being alive you know and the way we're living today just like thrashing ourselves and trashing this planet is in is a violation so I don't know I just like a subtle point but I think the point is we're not going to adapt so don't wait for it

it you know and we're just going to get sicker and sicker and sicker and die and perhaps that is the most intelligent damn someone's this Doom and Gloom no I said it's going to get better remember right yeah it seems like the sacrifice for productivity the daily sacrifice productivity that comes at the expense of health and happiness is the norm you know it's like that that's what a lot of people deal with they deal with having bills like as you were pointing about to pointing out about exorbitant medical bills right me so many people that

in the medical industry start their practice or start practicing being a doctor of professional doctor with quarter million dollar debt right which is crazy it's so much money it's so crazy yes it's so what a terrible idea like what's almost mandatory for any civilization well you need healthcare for sure you need to be able to take care of people I got an idea let's take those people that you need to make these critical decisions to save your life and let's fuck them over let's see

battle those people up with crazy debt and leave them trapped in a world of stress and I got an even better idea when they're going through the residency let's not let him sleep right exactly right keep them caffeinated sugar and work and give them pills give them get them and feta means you know give them Adderall you need a prescription Sally are you tired Sally I got a little pick-me-up it's called Adderall sweetie it's not your fault you've got ADHD DST UV exactly URS but that's how it's like a hey

Zing it's a hazing process not unlike the military you know spray that you remain loyal I mean that's obviously one perspective on it but this one I'm saying right like I was $200,000 in debt it took a lot for me to just like jump ship and say okay whatever I you know invested that am just going to walk away from it most people you know are not in a position to do that and perhaps that's part of the design I don't know well I don't even if it's not design it's a very efficient efficient survival mechanism for the industry you know just seems like

like one of the worst ways for someone to start a career in taking care of people's to be all fucked up themselves that they need to be broken down in that way to stay in line that's kind of that's just basically you know sort of hierarchical systems work this way they're gonna say is it a conspiracy or is it people just taking advantage of this need and being greedy and and just charging exorbitant amounts of money and having the whole thing subsidized by the government so that it could be expensive

and then the whole thing is crazy and also here's the big one that a lot of people maybe if you're a kid you're not aware of this your student loans haunt you till you're dead you cannot get out of those fuckers like you can get out you could you could buy Ferrari you could be stupid and buy a Ferrari and go God damn it I can't afford this car you go bankrupt and they will allow you to go bankrupt that's that can happen you can have a business make terrible decisions lose all your money go bankrupt and literally be

resolve your debt except your student loans that shit is in your DNA to third they keep you you have to pay that you have to it's crazy it's so nuts how much money it is when you find out what the student loan industry is in this country and how much money children go you're a fucking child when you're 18 years old right so you make some ridiculous decision to go to some school and you get some Grant or you get some sort of scholarship

up and then the rest of it you going to get loans or whatever the hell your situation is and then you get out of four years and then you go and do your Masters you go and do some graduate work you're fucked you're fucked you're so broke and then if you get out what are the odds even get a job in your field you know you have to scramble to try to make some money and then you have this never-ending that pool of debt that you have to suck a little bit out of every month it's like living

in for the Oasis on the horizon but that's what we do in this country you know we just are constantly waiting for it to feel okay constantly waiting to we get there we're not getting there I think that free education I mean if it would be possible if it is possible to do it without ruining the educational system if it's not already ruined if it is possible to do that it would be like one of the best things we could ever do for young people just keep them from being saddled down with some bullshit that you have to keep with you for the rest of your life

see you like are handicapped out the gate yeah it's crazy and it also it inhibits any risk-taking that you're going to have exactly any chance like to jump ship and try something new like maybe you're doing something but all the while you have this idea God I think this is really what I'm supposed to be doing I'm always thinking about it I got to take a chance but I have this fucking debt and the only way to really pay this debt off as if I enter into this same that's it oh that's a really important point because if you sort of look across Dimensions culturally

they're all geared towards supporting a certain kind of mindset of mentality which is productivity oriented which is you know capitalism and consumer supportive in terms of that you know sort of financial apparatus and so the things and elements you know like Graham Hancock is talked about this you know that the elements that are convenient to that Paradigm including psychiatric meds and even alcohol on some level like these more sort of suppressive Consciousness oppressive tools are sanctioned

maybe the things that would encourage risk-taking encourage creative expression and courage you know sort of Consciousness expansion are you know demonized or you know rendered a legal because they're inconvenient to the Paradigm I guess but honestly I think they're it's a victim of circumstance more than anything when I uh I don't I'm not necessarily I believe that when the Psychedelic Act of 1970 was put into play it was clearly put into play because they were trying to arrest people that were in the Civil

movement and the anti-war movement that's been proven it's been proven that there was a collusion and that what they were trying to do was make it so that they could go after these people in the Civil Rights Movement go after these people that were in the anti-war movement they would catch them for drugs and arrest them and they would cripple these movements and this is all like documented real clear by the Nixon Administration the reason why they passed that sweeping psychedelics Act of 1970 which covered a lot of stuff that's not even psychoactive they didn't even know what they're doing and they miss

some of the big ones they missed like 5 methoxy DMT which some of the most potent psychedelic drugs known to man just a few years ago used to be able to buy that shit online from a chemical companies they would give you like a jug of it they could get a whole city high for a month and you could go buy it with a credit card not that I know of anybody did it it's just I certainly didn't and I definitely still still don't have any of it but if I did it's not even illegal that's what's crazy it's like they they made stuff that was like a normal part of human use

for thousands and thousands of years that made it highly illegal and they did it at a time when they were trying to break down these people that were trying to change society right so that was 1970 but along the way I think what's really happened is it became a matter of Financial Risk like marijuana is a big one like Financial Risk of the pharmaceutical drug companies if they found out that there's so many different things that marijuana get help whether it is people

Paul's appetite or certain arthritic conditions or you can go down the list kids with epilepsy it's a huge Factor on children with autism especially edible marijuana all these different things all these different things that it treats if that was made legal and people started turning to that and exercise and a holistic approach it would cost the pharmaceutical companies literally billions of dollars a year so I think that's the big conspiracy I think it's not really a

a dime Consciousness sort of a thing as much as it's a financial thing I don't think the people that don't ever totally related I don't think the people that are suppressing it or even aware of the exact degree no I would just pours know like Master you know puppet string puller it's like this organism that's just moved only in One Direction you know yes money towards yeah the same reason why also involved in trying to keep these drugs illegal you have prison guard unions

because they want to keep their money coming in you have police unions I mean there's a lot of that where you find lobbying by these unlikely groups you know like I don't understand what and then you go oh they just want to make more money like they're more than willing to lock people up there more than willing to demonize helpful things that grow naturally and have virtually no negative effects in terms of like your health things like marijuana totally I mean that's that's why I you know when I speak about this because I used to be really in like Warrior

mode on this topic huh household like what you mean by Warrior because I just thought okay like I've you know once I woke up whatever was almost 10 years ago you ever use hashtag woke dorota and now no okay should I mention it's just it's a joke for the kids today hashtag walk or hashtagwar KF I'm old I'm old too okay if that's good well as fuck yeah thanks I got that I'm a quick study so when you came

aware of when I became aware I was pissed what was it was it a gradual process no no I I would I got like sick I guess wasn't very dramatic but my big sob story is that I was diagnosed with my first health condition which is an autoimmune disorder as ER my first pregnancy Hashimoto's oh have that oh really yes oh interesting my dad and my brother do my mom has it all so we're just like not as common in men but probably because nobody's looking for it yeah

so I was diagnosed with that and I just had this like intuitive sense that I wasn't going to go to a conventional doctor even though I had never ever you know done anything but dismiss alternative medicine like I was Hardcore into the pharmaceutical model very into science from that perspective right and so I but I knew that all they had to offer was Synthroid and I had enough patients that never felt well on it and so throw it's weird stuff stuff for a while and then I switched to Armor Thyroid yeah and that's

one reason why I got pissed at dr. Drew when dr. Drew was giving that that when he was talking about Hillary Clinton and all of her health issues and he was going over her prescription he was mocking the fact that she was on Armor Thyroid you saying that that's old that's an old way of treating like he doesn't know what the fuck he's talking about yeah I'm for he's actually wrong because I went through a bunch of different stuff and then when I took Armor Thyroid all of the symptoms went away gone and that's what the data shows that people feel subjectively better on T3 containing yeah well explain what that is it

and pig thyroid yeah which suggested it's a glandular and he's not wrong because it is an old-fashioned medicine if I'm wrong that it's ineffective though he's talking about how outdated and that's subject that all people feel better on it yeah so I took that for something similar called nature thyroid for a while but I went to a naturopath because which is so funny that I did that you know at that time it sounds like a hippie did you go to it's just a dirty place with like macrame and stuff oh no it was it like now it's really good

Burns they have any friends be friendly oh she's friendly yeah did you smell like Patchouli or incense yes she did absolutely hmm that was good that's that's it felt right even though really seen probably wrong at the moment no I did and she I put it into remission in the space of like a year in my antibodies were like in the high 2000s my TSH was like 20 and I had to do to put in remission so the same things I do in my patients so I initially just changed my diet so initially

I just very simply at her recommendation and I'm Italian I remember telling my mom's from Italy and I ate cheese and bread of some variety like five times a day literally for my whole life right so the two things of course she asked me to take out were gluten and dairy damn it so is it wasn't a very amazing transition but I early win was that I started like pooping every day and hadn't ever done that in my whole life regulation thank you thank you these things

a big matter and so I was like wow she must be onto something and then later I layered in other stuff when you eating a lot of vegetables the time

no I think it was more about what I took out then at that point then like what I put in but when I saw the change on paper I was like this is not even supposed to be possible literally not even we're not even taught that this is possible let alone that it is anything you know the pudding autoimmune conditions into remission has anything to do with diet right and so I was really indignant and I've always been a science nut I've always spent Saturday you know like a good four hours every Saturday on PubMed

of course I'm looking at different stuff over time but I went to PubMed and I was like what else didn't I learn and I was like on an obsessive Rampage for like a good couple years and that's when I just turned over every stone like everything every sacred cow whether all these meds we were talking about like you know statins or acid blockers or antibiotics then I got on to psych meds and then I started to look at the science supporting a very different kind of

perspective on you know this interconnected model and the gut microbiome and you know sort of the impact of belief on our you know biology that we can sort of like reprogram our Hardware you know and with our software which is like we're the only species that can really do that that we can literally change through meditation yeah exactly and but also where your brain interacts with your body and then you change your body you literally change your body so what did you do to do that

what methods so I was very reluctant to meditate I was an atheist my whole like a belligerent you know sort of like Dawkins level atheist my whole life because I was a science worshipper and I was like well you know spirituality and religion is for like week people who like need to believe in some fairy tale to make them feel better about typical New Yorker New York liberal coming at you New York liberals scientist exactly well it's

scientism right it literally is the Church of Science and so you know when I had this crisis of Faith so to speak like I was lost for a long time because science had sort of you know or when I believed his sort of failed me in some ways and then I didn't have I don't know what the Readiness to start meditating or find out what you know people are talking about when it comes to spirituality although I followed the literature so like I read the literature on meditation and

genetic expression for years and years and years and I used to tell my patients to do it but you didn't do it but I didn't do it huh what held you back

because I liked feeling stressed out yeah well he's so honest when you don't do something you're not doing it because you like actually being sick you like how you're feeling you're invested in it is it that you like or that your addictive familiar in this unit it's comfortable yeah and the unknown for some of my patients the meditation pieces the last part because they know it's going to be the game changer and they're not ready for everything to just be totally reconfigured they're not ready for that level of transformation something what they say to about sometimes people that are addicted to cigarettes

the you're almost addicted to the idea that you're doing something bad to yourself you're addicted to that Rush of being naughty yeah so good totally so good it confirms yeah yeah some like self loops on the hook too because you like fucking I'm alive who gives a shit is all bullshit I'm not the future fuck the future nihilist settle down right like so many fucking smart people smoke cigarettes and it's so confusing it's like you're making a deal to slowly pay

a to poison yourself you like throwing a little bit of money in the pot every month guarantee you yeah guaranteeing that 20 years down the line 30 years down the line however long it takes you're going to have some some bolt is going to come off the machinery and hey Mike you got a tumor in your lungs it's not good we gonna have to cut one of these things out of your chest you can get by on One Long buddy this is what we got to do though we gotta you gotta start eating papaya is like what and nothing why I'm even alive you know we all do stuff like that I mean it's

not always dream of being recognized right yeah we do because we you know we're invested in reflecting a felt wrongness you know I would call it felt wrong like we feel deep inside something is wrong wrong with us wrong with Society right something's missing and then we don't want to pretend that everything is okay so we self-medicate you know either with you no drugs or cigarettes or you know workaholism or you know sex addiction or

we're all sort of in this place not wanting to acknowledge that there's a reason you know like one of my favorite quotes is this like krishnamurti quote that it's no measure of Health to be well adapted to a profoundly sick Society hmm right so right we really really love I love New York it's the best I love the traffic I love like oh you're a sick person man is wrong with you totally love it yeah that's a weird one of my very very

best friends is just addicted to York yeah it's like he loves it he's been there forever he's like an abusive relationship loves the city totally but he loves the energy likes to all the cars and traffic I don't you know I don't know what it is but he's healthy like fairly like physical he's got a few issues but like mentally it's very healthy fats in usual yeah like just one thing sorted out it's a smart guys just it's problematic he just loves the I don't know what it is honk honk you know

no that's the thing though like if you if you think about what the messaging is from the top down we were talking about right like the messaging is keep it together punch the clock on Monday like you know sort it out right and you're supposed to be like fine be fine yeah right but many of us don't feel fine like range a huge range of not fine - that's what I'm saying when I say like a felt wrongness

that's actually healthy you know to sense that and a lot of artists I would say are the canaries in the coal mine so to speak like they're the ones who feel you know the the collective wound you know if you want to call it that more than we do their sensitive in ways well I don't want to put you in my category it's more of an artist and I am I'm not an artist so I sort of can think of yourself as an artist no no don't know it's interesting actually because most of my patients are real or they become

after I get them off meds yeah whoa wait a minute yeah so they weren't artists you get them off meds and all sudden they start like composing music or something or making paintings or exactly they find some repressed expression something like that you know but if you also look at you know like I just wrote an article recently that tied in Chris Cornell and his yeah that one hurts I know I know I'm bothered me I know and it's not an isolated I mean listen I don't know

details I don't know what happened but I still his wife Bluebell or at yeah let's just say what his wife believes believe she believes he took too many of his hand antidepressants or anti-anxiety medications but wasn't there a like some rumor about him having a relapse was there a rumor

rumor that there was like try track marks fresh track marks TV find anything on that how the hell would anybody know that that seems like some shit that people just start making up and listen and I could be accused of doing the same thing even commenting but his wife who is married to him was the one that said that she believed like when she talked to him on the phone that he had taken too much of his anti-anxiety medication and it'd be one thing to just be like oh she's like a grieving Widow if there wasn't like a very indicting body of evidence that unequivocally like literally two new studies just

this week that unequivocally implicate benzodiazepines in homicide and suicide right so you are a very important finished study you know demonstrated that benzodiazepines are led to like a 223 percent increase risk of committing homicide Jesus Christ they along with antidepressants and actually other psychotropics including stimulants you know all of these medications have been linked to an increase in and suicide as well so when I

I hear about a school shooting or I hear about the germanwings you know played Crashlings that guy Lou big like who took down the plane the germanwings plane he just like suicided with a whole plane of people and crashed the plane like when I hear about these mass murderer like Menace to Society kind of situations my first thought is what segments were they on and you know my training basically conditioned me to say oh well they're mentally

ill so obviously they're taking psych meds that's like saying umbrellas cause the rain right it's that's not how it works causation correlation exactly yeah but actually there's a massive suppress body of literature that implicates these medications all of them and we know why we think right so we think that it has to do with the way you metabolize some people metabolize these medications so they you might be born with a genetic variant and your

liver that makes it so that you by Design metabolize medications differently than someone else right so you can enter into a state of what's called Auto intoxication more easily than someone else even sometimes in a couple of Doses and you develop what's called akathisia induced impulsivity impulsivity which is like akathisia is like this feeling like you just want to crawl into your skin but you seem really chill wow really creepy like horror movie

so no one around you knows you're about to fucking boil over and explode I had a I spoke in July in London I did this like workshop and this guy contacted me named David Carmichael and he's like I'd love to meet you followed your work and I want to sort of tell you about my story I had known about this paper of which he was one of 11 10 or 11 subjects by these authors lucier and karate is from 2011

even older paper where they took all these people who had committed like heinous acts right like you know murdered their therapist or killed their child or themselves jumped in front of a train or whatever and they were prescribed antidepressants for totally run-of-the-mill stress right so like work stress or a dog dying not because they had like severe mental illness and were suicidal right these people were not suicidal they were not homicide all they were normal citizens

went on to do this crazy thing and what they found was when they analyze each of these you know victims perpetrators however you want to look at it they found they all had these liver variants that I'm talking about so that they were basically poisoned by medication but before they were poisoned they were put into this altered state where they did impulsive Lee violent things so this guy basically gets on the stage where I was speaking and he talks about how he was

I would Paxil because he works I think as an accountant and he was prescribed it for work-related stress like I was just like taking on too much stress at work right and he remembers feeling like his mind like slip away like he began you entered this realm of like psychosis essentially and he started to you know develop all of these paranoid beliefs but he looked and people told him like oh you're getting better so glad you're feeling better long story short he's

mangled his eleven-year-old son oh Dad and that's before after you met him after this is actually years ago and but we are not doing that him and he was telling you about all this and then after that he killed his kid no he killed his son before we met years ago okay but he wanted you know to share you know with the audience of doctors I was speaking to like listen so the exonerated him based on this medication which is rare actually believe it or not because a lot of times these people are

jailed so it's like you know punishing the punishing the victim so to speak but that's sort of the issue that it's an important issue right because your friend right okay so let's say some people this is in line with their Consciousness to not have any curiosity about why they're having symptoms not want to see what they can do in terms of optimizing their lifestyle it's just like not their deal right so they want to take a medication and they want to suppress their symptoms and just like hope it works out

that's fine I don't care what people do this is should be a free country right you do what you want to do is practice the medicine that makes sense to you but the sort of like chink in the armor is perhaps this issue which is that we don't really have a good way of identifying you know it's Russian Roulette we'd have a good way of identifying if you're going to be David Carmichael right so and it's you know it's one thing to kill yourself impulsively but like you know the school shootings for example

of without an exception been committed by people who are kids who are recently medicated so these are all man's or coming off psych meds right it's almost changes a hundred percent yes if not 100 it is it is really crazy that that's tonight and when you bring that up by the way people call you a gun rights apologist well you're distorting the issue you're turning it to a psych meds issue when it's a gun issue if these people don't have guns they

can't commit these crimes like that to me is a very bizarre way of looking at like 1 year the science which is why would they but it's what you were talking about before where psychiatrists aren't talking about this this is this is such a taboo subject that by the time it gets to the average educated and informed person who for the most part was probably liberal and you know your weak because we're talking about people that want to get rid of guns what that's what they're seeing is only the gun

they're not seeing the mindset behind the ability to do something like that was very relevant context yeah this liver issue that you're talking about is this testable and it is actually so and nobody tests for it I was like literally apart from functional medicine doctors perhaps but for the most part they're not going to be the ones starting patients on psychiatric meds most psych meds are started by primary care doctors after 10 minutes and there's a scientific consensus that this issue exists that this with this liver issue that if you take these medications it can

turn turn you into this or take you to the psychotic State yes yes and you would be surprised how much scientific acknowledgement there is of some really good I'm sorry it's called akathisia induced impulsivity akathisia is the experience the symptom neurologic symptoms that's induced by the impaired it's thought to be impaired metabolism on the liver level of these medications so this is not like a theory it's not a theory it's right yeah but there's a lot of stuff like that

there's you know in the literature there's something called antidepressant tachyphylaxis which is the acknowledgement in the scientific literature that like a good thirty percent of the time they just stopped having an effect like stopped working yeah that's the thing that people that I know that have taken the most sad that the doctor will tell you hey this is going to work for a little while and then it's not going to work anymore just hope you don't like it might have been puzzling me injure well my friend who got on them and actually I have two friends that

that got a great benefit from getting on ssris they had a great benefit and they both eventually got off of them cool they got on them and then their life improved they improve the just the overall existence that they experience like they improved their job they improve their just their their status in life relationship stuff all these different things improved and then they slowly wean themselves off and now they don't need them anymore but both of my friends that were on them say that it was a great

of them to get on them

so that's a rare story I would say it's a pretty rare story now you could argue that I have a skewed exposure to the population because I only see the people who have been on 10 20 years and want to desperately get off and can't you know but I am again this public health issue aside which is that you know these medications could be inducing impulsive violence at random and like perhaps we should at least be talking about this as a society right right that issue aside I'm you know a crusader for it

armed consent I believe that you just should know all the options and all of the available science and then you make your own damn decision right with your free will you do what's right for you what matches your level of Consciousness right because

the problem is that most people are not taking off of meds and they are maintained for long term even though all of the long-term science suggests that people do worse long-term on all categories of psychiatric meds than if they were never medicated and this includes is crunchy psychotics for schizophrenia all of them all of them and the person who expose this and really you know sort of blew the whistle on this issue his book changed my life and made me put down my prescription pad is

Robert Whittaker whose investigative journalist and he wrote a book called anatomy of an epidemic and I've read it you know when it came out and I was ready to read it because and receive it because I just had this health experience of my own right so I read it and basically what he says is okay so we have escalating rates of treatment right like more and more people you know sixteen percent of the American population is on these meds

write a lot of your friends my friends and with more treatment shouldn't we have less disability right like shouldn't people be more functional and less sick and what we find is that the reverse is true you know that we have more disability with more medicating so his book goes through all of these studies I never heard about one of them in my ivy league training all of these studies that are not industry-funded right because we know that

pharmaceutical industry is four times more likely to publish something when it's positive then when it's not and they can publish whatever they want and not publish whatever they don't want right so they are in charge of their own policing which is the fox guarding the hen house kind of a situation so these were all non industry-funded studies and the story they tell is quite different than what you might imagine and it's like almost shocking right that you have schizophrenia right obviously you need to take

meds right right well but what if like doing something is not as good as doing nothing according to the published literature right so doing nothing is better according to the published literature then doing something then doing medication so taking medication for site some sort of a psychotic disorder what what are the odds that it's going to work so when we're looking at the data that suggests that it's effective to take an anti-psychotic there without exception short-term studies so 6 to 8

weeks but people are taking these medications for months to years and they lose their efficiency over time where their effectiveness sedating effects usually upfront the same as ssris in terms of no no there the story is similar because if we look at out outcomes in the long term like like do you have a job you know do you have a friend Network you like are you a functional member of society if we look at those parameters in the long term

will do worse and that's his argument you know is that that's why we have more and more of the population literally getting checks from the government because they cannot function in society even though they're medicated to the hilt you know like they're fully treated so to speak and he makes this argument for benzodiazepines for stimulants and if you look into the literature you understand that all that's happening is you're forcing an adaptation on the part of the body this is a chemical it is not fixing anything and

like alcohol okay like some people love alcohols for some people it's very relaxing right some people hit it and it's terrible and it makes them sick so just like any other chemical substance with unpredictably psychoactive effects it may be adaptive for a given period of time but we know through the alcohol analogy that there's no free lunch right so even if it's adaptive in the short-term your body adapts habituates you become potentially dependent although that's a more

a complex conversation you know what drives that dependency but the long-term is known to us like the long-term picture of like chronic use of alcohol for let's say social anxiety doesn't look pretty if you want to just stop drinking 15 years down the line after you've been drinking every day right so but we've been told to think of psych meds differently and what I'm trying to say is we shouldn't be right because they are just chemicals having chemical effects that your body is adapting to so obviously that chemical effect is not going to

you're late like it's not going to last and then there's going to be a cost so one of the major pieces of informed consent I would like to see for grounded for people is it may be nearly physically impossible for you to come off of this medication after several years of use are you cool with that right like are you actually physically impossible and all you have to do is Google like antidepressant withdrawal or benzodiazepine

withdrawal right because we're keeping people on these meds long term because of course we're not fixing the root cause of the problem right it's like if you have glass in your foot we're not taking the glass out we're just like putting a bandaid on it giving you a Tylenol and being like okay get out of here you know so we're not fixing the problem so to speak so we're masking it and there's going to be you know sort of it's going to it's like a whack-a-mole like is this going to keep manifesting in other ways so people are kept on these meds

long term and then coming off them is I've come to the conclusion that they're more habit-forming than any chemicals on the planet crack Oxycontin nothing they do not hold a candle to how hard it can be to come off of segments Jesus Kyle you need to do is ask him into your friends are very rare examples because there are millions of people on the internet right now trying to help each other like survive the process of coming physically survive let alone you know psycho spiritually survive the process of

coming off of meds so that's what I focus on you know in my day-to-day practice now know are there certain meds that are more difficult to come off than others I would say yes although I've seen exceptions to that too you know I would say that there are certain antidepressants that are notoriously challenging you know meds like Paxil or Effexor but then Prozac which is supposed to be like have this long Half-Life and be easy to come off of and I have patients who develop what looks like AIDS like they get

I was sick in such complicated ways that No One Believes them and then they think that they're you know well you must have MS or you must have you know mono or you must have you know some new diagnosis and the literature since 2014 has told us no this is a withdrawal is a complicated protracted withdrawal that is worse than any other meds out there and so if you knew that you might be like all right well what are my other options do I have other options and you know since I

put down my prescription I have many years now of experience of treating all manner of bipolar disorder suicidality psychosis without medication and let me tell you like the outcomes that I get today I couldn't have fantasized about when I was prescribing I don't even know that this is possible so if you know that these outcomes are possible then maybe you would consider a lifestyle approach

but you have to know it's possible so that's informed consent best case scenario when you were prescribing and did what did it ever feel like like what I mean did it ever get to the point where you were wondering like none of these people are really getting better they're they're improving in certain ways but they're not getting better I think you could do that or getting them totally better that was our goal management that's it management exempt so the idea is you have an issue this issue is never going away

let's just throw a wet blanket on this sucker yeah see if we could hold down the fire exactly and you know what I have a lot of compassion I've many of my friends are conventional psychiatrist so I have compassion for people who are in the trenches practicing conventional approaches because I thought I was doing good you know when I was prescribing I thought I was doing good things for these people friends how do they feel about what you're doing now they sort of like tolerate me I don't know that's it well it's funny because because I have this

I don't know what you want to call like scientific Advantage meaning like I know more of the literature I've read more of it I've to obsessively devoted my life to this subject they know sort of not to fuck with me on some level like so I have respect but they also it's like my thing that I do over here right the level of Kelly we have a business my business giving pills crazy people like me alone yeah exactly I share an office one of my best friend's you know you really rents

from my office you know please let all the food is everywhere and I mean he's very he's more conscious about it than the actually works in forensics which means that he works to sort of identify where people in the legal system are being medicated necessarily are unnecessarily God there's all sorts of weird specializations within the Guild of Psychiatry it's like a many tentacled animal So when you say management like did you ever take someone from being like a real mess and

him off the ledge and then their life improved yes that is that's the good summary of what I do today so I see the sickest people that no one can help because they've gotten to the end of the road so they've done electroconvulsive therapy they're on six medications they've been hospitalized even in state facilities there you know at the end of their rope because they're not well and even conventional Psychiatry has nothing left offer them so I you know people think like oh I treat the worried well like some upper east

had you know woman who's having an affair and she stressed out or whatever they're called the worried well the worried well yeah but it's not you know it's not true like my patients are very sick and you know I have an online version of what I do in the office and the outcomes they're even wilder than the ones in my office so you can even do this totally on your own it's not like some Voodoo I'm working on Madison Avenue and York but like for example okay so one of my so I've started to video interview

these people social proof and like it's all of my website and you can see what they have to say about it because why would you believe me because it sounds crazy what I'm saying so like what do you do them like say I come to you and I say I've got real problems press alt I'm super bummed out can't keep it together 99 problems so

this I'll tell you what a woman Ali okay so she her real name no she's a she's on my website in a video yeah the she's a she is an Intrepid woman she's incredible she's beloved I've never said that about a person there Intrepid she is Olivia that's the point I'm ultimately going to make is that this process of moving through the fire of your mental illness

which I don't believe in Mental Illness but moving down the fire I don't what do you believe I believe that we are by Design as humans you know that we feel things intensely and some people have experiences you know like in other cultural settings some of the early experiences as what we would label schizophrenic you know there is an elder that is assigned to you to Shepherd you through your psycho-spiritual emergence you know we just don't have a cultural context for anything other than full and

little complacency full and total adaptation to this sick Society right so just remember regardless of environmental influences and whatever genetic problems you might have people can have something really wrong with their mind right I don't ever think it's really wrong when it gets really wrong is under the influence of psych meds always so you're some very few exceptions if someone's experiencing psychotic breaks and they don't get put on psych medication does

go away I mean that's what the long-term data I was describing for you it does it does so we have turned What Might Have Been a single episode experience that when properly supported were totally completely resolves and you get back to life which is what used to happen even in the early 1900s you know when we documented the Natural History so to speak of these illnesses we would see that they would go away on their own within a year you know 80% of the time so when they would come up out of nowhere they would go away out of nowhere as well

right huh and we've turned the how many people you're talking about Isis sorry to interrupt you but like what how big is this study like how many people are being any many and this is where Whitaker is like you know my knight in shining armor Robert Whittaker because he's catalogued all of this data it's there's a robust amount of data and importantly it wasn't paid for by the industry so that's an important bias to control for right so if someone comes to you and they're psychotic so so that's I'm going to talk about a lie right

and her video is my website is all you know fully with her consent that I share it and she came to me end of her rope she came with her husband from Kansas to my office and she was actively you know in an episode what are her episodes okay her episodes are three days before her period for years she would develop psychotic symptoms become totally paranoid and delusional to the extent that at one point she was digging a hole in her face trying to get it like

thread she thought was in there she commit attempted to commit suicide multiple times she had been on at least seven different psychiatric medications in and out of hospitals like a laundry list of diagnoses like this literally including bipolar disorder with psychotic features premenstrual dysphoric disorder you know all manner of dating back from like eating disorders in her earlier history she'd been through the ringer okay so she was like a professional psych patient and I was the last stop before and

inpatient facility basically like institutionalization okay I told her this is how it's going to go so I have like a very heavy hand up front and I can be a hard-ass for sure but it's in service of passing the Baton to these women because I don't have long-term patients like there's an intense window and then they are done with me right once they're through the birth canal so to speak right so what I ask her to do was follow a very

strict diet no cheating none like zero bullshit okay so what's the diet okay so the template for the diet that I recommend is based not only on like my personal experience but also on my work with my mentor dr. Nicholas Gonzalez who was the most badass figure in modern medicine he passed suddenly in 2015 but he for 27 years treated terminal cancer you know metastatic like no hope cancer

literally neurodegenerative illnesses Lyme disease you know diabetes all with 100% holistic approach that was based on three pillars a personalized diet so like one of ten diets coffee enemas oh you know that is part of it you heard it right because it's like in the Zeitgeist like people are hearing about why coffee enemas why are you sticking coffee up your butt yeah I know it's only necessary because we live in like a pretty toxic World at

fight but what happens is the caffeine okay so you're sticking this little tube like 12 inches yeah actually I know and it seems totally crazy and weird but you do it all yourself you don't go somewhere to do it it's not like that and you're hitting this like it's called a flexure you're hitting this point right here where your intestines come across and then down okay and right there is a nerve bundle that reflexes to your it's called a parasympathetic nerve bundle it

us to your liver and it basically helps your liver to dump toxicants like it's a it's like a super charging of your livers ability to detox you write putting coffee in there because the caffeine stimulates that nerve bundle it's basically like jacking up your liver because we don't know how to detox better than our own body does your liver is charged with that responsibility so if you can help your liver do it it's going to be best and this is most relevant in cancer

radical Cancer Treatments because when the tumors are breaking down you need to flush that waste or you'll die like literally it's called tumor lysis syndrome so you know some early Pioneers discover that coffee enemas are critical like literally life or death critical for helping you flush those waste so I learned about them from the master and since using them in my practice completely change my practice so like a med taper that would take two to three years now takes me

like six months was a given patient and Ali so so Ali started doing coffee enemas twice a day so but the dietary template is is a little bit I wouldn't say it's like totally people think healthy Ray and they think like vegan or they think vegetarian or the think you know tons of green juice or whatever and I noticed early on that as long as my patients say to fair amount of red meat they got better and I used to be like an ethical vegetarian when I

seating like cheese Doodles and Pepsi basically and so it was very confusing to me that you know red meat could be a healthy part of anyone's life style or you know anything I could ever wrap my mind around recommending but over the past 10 years and now with the understanding of Nick's metric you know where there are some people who do require red meat to balance their nervous system essentially you know I was just a actual requirement or is this is can this be

be mitigated through like a very smart and conscious vegetarian diet like if you're really careful about your nutrients and making sure they get the essential fatty acids making sure you get the essential amino acids and a really balanced profile of vegetable protein it's a great question ultimately my goal in this month is to clear the Slate right of all the stuff that's like yanking on your brain and your immune system and driving inflammation so that you can begin

to sense what you need have you ever had anybody that attempted to do it was so like hemp protein or pea protein or vegetable based protein this point I'm going for gold right so I'm interested in like massive transformation for people not just like I guess I feel a little better so I won't even see a new patient if they're not willing to at least try for the month to eat red meat really hmm But is this all anecdotal so it's all just like what you've experienced for working with patients this but if you ever an experienced a single patient the try

to do it correctly through vegetable protein no but I try it I wouldn't because you know I'm saying like but I do have this online program where there are people who get well on and they stick to a vegetarian diet so it's apparently possible well that's turn it was she can get eggs you know right in his model there were no vegan diets and it's based on the work of Weston Price you know is Weston price for the name yeah he's like a dentist

in the 1900s who like went around the world with his wife and studied all of these different people who like indigenous people all over like Eskimos like Himalayan you know folks Mexican folks and South American and studied the healthy indigenous populations that were not eating industrialized food right and what he found was they all a different stuff so there isn't like a diet right right so how do you know what is your version right so like an Eskimo

doesn't eat coconuts and like a mess I Warrior doesn't eat whale blubber so like how do you know what's your version the truth is only you know but like our signals are so distorted and suppress that we can't figure it out right but you'll begin to like clear the like lower the White Noise enough if you have this month long experience of detox so I asked I asked for daily meditation three minutes I told you I'm a Kundalini Zealot so I asked for people to do you tell me that before the

yeah yeah okay but in here me please okay yeah so so I came to condoling yoga basically out of sheer desperation at a very difficult time in my life after my largely after my mentor died and it totally changed my like rewired my nervous system literally literally wear now nothing stresses me out but if you have someone I mean I'm obviously not a vegan but if you have someone that comes to you that does not want to eat meat but wants to try this

us out and wants to try this out with I mean it's really just the science of nutrition I mean you can eat a vegan diet and be healthy as long as you do it right can't you well so his model is that there are different kinds of people and different kinds of people and I can explain a little more require require for for their health certain dietary compliments and what are called the parasympathetic dominance right which is more like the eskimos recall

fire red meat to be healthy you will not only never be fully healthy but then you're at risk for developing the the illnesses that parasympathetic dominance develop like Leukemia Lymphoma hypothyroidism you know chemical sensitivity chronic fatigue depression right so many many many many many former vegetarians converted from vegetarianism because they felt depressed right so while

oh that's true on the other side of the spectrum are the sympathetic dominance who don't need to eat red meat and who do really well on like a full force like plants grains you know even a high carb diet and they feel well and it's when they eat too much red meat particularly industrial red meat that they develop solid tumors like you know breast cancer pancreatic cancer colon cancer is a very common you know so essentially when you're dealing with particularly indigenous

Nations and people that have a very strong gene pool to comes from one very strong area in the world like Eskimos or like people that live in the Pacific Northwest or something like that not Pacific Northwest be done I mean like Alaskan people like there's people that live on like nunivak and all these different islands that have eaten seal for hundreds and hundreds of years and have very little access to vegetables right and meanwhile have their healthy super low instances of cancer so it's just

as their bodies have adapted and evolved for those requirements with the environment right exactly that's exactly what your body like say if you came from Vietnam you would have a very different nutritional requirement than that person right and you will never be fully vital or healthy on the wrong version of the diet now this all science or is this an anecdotal guesswork when it comes to nutrition based science there ain't none right there's just none because the idea of nutrition research is like taking one knew

ran out of the context of the person out of the context of their life out of the context of their cultural you know surroundings that's how we treat it like a pharmaceutical we look at single nutrient out of you know a whole complement of information so we just don't I tried learning about nutrition that way and I drove myself crazy because I was like what the hell do I tell my patients eat I can't find any science to support this and that's why I looked for outcomes so Nick and Solace is outcomes

are unprecedented in medical history literally like 34-year terminal pancreatic cancer survivor do you know how long you have to live when you're diagnosed with pancreatic cancer 3 to 6 months I know there's been a lot of a few years on it but he's actually taking meds and that's a very good right yeah I know it's amazing still eat sugar this fucker gummy bears and shit do you know Rob wolf to know Robbo first yeah not personally I know his work

abs are really interesting guy and one of the things that he does that's kind of fascinating is on his Instagram he and his wife will do these tests they'll they'll do carbohydrate absorption test and ketosis tests and they'll both eat the same things but he'll test her and then test him and the results vary widely yes like his his reaction is like he just jokes around about how poor his genetics are and how about how robust his wife's genetics are apparently nothing can

knock her out a ketosis she can eat like crazy amounts of food and then like a couple hours later she's like back on base line that's as far as his buyers all are not like his body just goes off the tracks yeah he's literally the weakest yeah so his studies though and it's a little tests although you know they're very small just him and his wife they're really fascinating to see how two people who are in the exact same household same environment you know one's male one female but also just different genetic and backgrounds and how wildly they vary it

really so what do you do with that right like that's right how do you know who you are and of one medicine right so so the truth is that you have an intuitive Compass right especially with food you are going to want to eat the diet that is going to make you well oh candy and ice cream that's Chris Vegas intuitive dude people think but the truth is if you actually like take this break and and detox so to speak from all those addictive foods and you have this shift in your body you're not going to want it you're

it's going to be where you're wrong tiramisu after you have like a nice dinner and you see that on the menu you like come on roll it out let's do this get that cream with the oh my God will call on the top of it so good it's gross I never liked it oh I'm very happy like nine years ago and now I know those ladies and touch it mmm what about chocolate ice cream is that okay no nothing doesn't do anything for you would you like some sort of an Android that no years into this stuff so

that's it starts to like deconditioned and then if you like really really feel like something like that then you're like what's up like what am I like you know what I mean like what am I scream that's the fuck is up shit is good she ever had like an ice cream sundae whipped cream I'm sorry I grew up in New Jersey okay I was born with two friendlies like on the regular and I got the happy ending can you believe it was called that I know I don't

Sunday I know and the fries and a grilled cheese I used to eat sounds good through my training when I was up by train to Bellevue in New York and at the gift store they used to know me so they'd have Twizzlers and dark chocolate Milky Way waiting for me every day every day so I was dealers like an addict you know by any definition and you can resolve that you know and then you figure out like what actually you're meant to eat because nickel we said you will eat the food that

you're meant to eat you'll want it but you have to sort of get your brain out of the way so if you have you know all of these nutrition gurus in your head telling you like red meats going to kill you and give you a heart attack then you're going to not want it but if you can that's why I demand the openness as a criteria you know to participate with me anyway clinical setting because then like I can't tell you how many of my patients were former vegans and now they're totally thriving okay so let me finish telling you about a lie which opens I'm sorry okay so that's basically what

she did right she was off all meds except for as as needed Klonopin when she met me so she had already done what is Klonopin do it's like Ativan like the one we're talking about with Chris Cornell it's an anti-anxiety medicine like Xanax or Valium if you've heard of those yes it's one of the most challenging to get off of in the long term and that why wouldn't it be long term like that's the confusing part like why would you just voluntarily stop

taking something that makes you feel chilled out when you're feeling anxious right but what if your anxiety is because you have unstable blood sugar and you're having this like fight or flight explosion every hour and a half if you're not resolving that then it's like putting a Band-Aid on a piece of glass in your foot it's like okay but what do you just fix it and then you won't need it so you make them eat a certain amount of red meat do you limit the portions to know there's no calorie counting there's no portion anything because you are

dating yourself into the process of determining what's best for you so the whole point of this month this like military month that I impose on people is that it's like an initiation to your own self so the stuff you're doing whether it's the meditation enemas detoxing your products and stuff like that basic you know functional medicine stuff or the diet is all in your control which is why you can do this without me which has been the best like evidence I've ever you know I never even

dream that was totally possible and now I'm super pumped about it because the last thing I wanted to be as like about you know the Kelly Brogan effect or something like this right at all what I'm interested in So yeah so you do all this yourself do you make the meat though besides red meat okay so basically food okay so you're eating food beautiful day fine like person literally never listen it's because tell me this isn't food so it's animal food including you know any kinds of meat fish eggs whole eggs not

just the whites any kind of vegetables except for white potatoes I'll explain why any kinds of fruit nuts and Seed seeds natural salt as much as you want tons of filtered water that's important and then natural fats so like ghee which is like a clarified butter coconut oil olive oil that kind of thing that's food by the way what you're taking out is a little more challenging for some people so you're taking out all this is just

a month it gets so much easier in the future but you're saying that all grains all beans all Dairy

and that's the ice cream is going and then all refined sugars are like honey and maple syrup are fine and then coffee and alcohol but listen if you were really desperate yes you might think about this oh yeah sure and it can be challenging for the first like week and then you start to see the dividends and you want to just have one month in your adult life where you just see what's up when you control for these variables it's worth it because then you know what

sort of relationships are between you your personal you know biology and these you know elements of your nutrition so what's the general reaction when you get someone to get rid of processed sugars cut out the grains cut out the nonsense Dairy and just eat regular healthy food what's the what's a normal reaction that sometimes you feel worse really depending on how much of the stuff you were eating you can literally go through like a mini withdrawal like headache fluish symptoms

just fatigue irritability and it's all that like the keto flu will get off of - oh yeah are paleo exactly so that can be real from the coffee to obviously anyone is ever yeah tried to work you know but it's like a couple days then you move through it and then what normally starts to happen is you start to like sort of feel the clearing right so your energy is better your sleep is better one of the most interesting things is how many people tell me that they sleep better when they eat more red meat like you would never make that connection right sounds crazy I didn't mention

as I hope it goes without saying that there's less massive like militant focus on organic and sourcing like I would tell people never to touch an animal food if they don't know you know that it was consciously raised okay so that's a caveat important caveat so so sleep gets better A lot of the like ravenous hunger like I have patients who can't even go as long as we've been talking without like having a snack or they get hangry right like the other yeah irritable lightheaded you know sort of racing heart

some are batiks yeah pretty much but like who is it you know when you're just eating convenience food like that's a natural response and then sometimes it's much more radical so like in in Ali's case within two cycles she was completely symptom free so she went from grossly psychotic and suicidal to not only totally symptom-free but now she's like moved through is moving through I would say a

of Awakening like it's a spiritual shift right because it's like you know Gibran says like the the wound is where the light enters and we don't have that Consciousness as a society because we think that sufferings I mean the wound is where the light enters it means that grief pain suffering is where you grow like it's where the real experience of being human and where the real contact with who you are right so this is true even for

something like Ayahuasca like why would anyone ever do something like that right but the point is through that experience of humbling surrender you meet yourself right but we don't have a Consciousness for that in America in fact crying like literally tears is a symptom in the DSM so it's literally a pathological symptom to cry that is the most basic evidence of our humanity is that we cry and if we are living in a culture that says

sick when you're crying stop doing that you know take this so that you can stop feeling we have a bigger problem on our hands right so I know I can't just sit in my Madison Avenue office taking people off of meds and think like oh you know I'm changing the world that this is a systemic cultural issue that we make no room for things to fall apart we make no room do you know that with the DSM-5 so like the latest DSM they took out something called the bereavement

giant Claws from the depression diagnostic category and that means that if you meet criteria for depression which is what you would imagine you know well to changes in sleep changes in appetite low mood poor concentration hopelessness if you meet that criteria it for two weeks it doesn't matter if your kid just died or your wife or like your dad so that's bereavement right it doesn't

you're still a candidate for treatment or if you have fired or if you experience a natural disaster or if you lost your house in a fire-- doesn't matter right so some people saw that as like wow really a last straw of pathologizing normal human experience so there's that one of the issues with these disassociative sort of chemicals that people get put on because that's like one of the ways to describe a lot of people's reaction to ssris and antidepressants is it

a disassociative yes like they have a very they can anything can happen and they're okay with it it's fine no worries no big deal so they don't get these highs and lows and so because they don't get the lows they don't get to rebound and get the highs and then also find themselves understand themselves so they can manage how low the lows get exact through the mind and through you're just living in the moment and understanding exactly understanding that this is just a natural process of life and you've been through it before so

taking a pill just suck it up 100% I mean we don't write like in tribal cultures like men are initiated right like I've got a video I'll show you right like really tooth yanked out or you gotta like survive the wild can circumcision video If you really want to get crap my gosh yeah well you know so weak think of ourselves as being lucky like the we don't have to go see my sure I'm not taking responsibility for what's in this video

in any way related to what I'm talking about no definitely not you wouldn't approve but it's true like we're just like we just baby our way through life because no one is teaching us how to to confront our deepest fears like explore the shadow Realms and integrated into our own power right we have no understanding of how we make fun of that we think it's like whoo whoo weirdness that like other cultures can

no do in their little Tropical Islands but what I have found is that taking people off of psych meds somehow is seeming to serve as like an initiation process for like thousands today so interestingly right like that you took it because you thought it was a good idea and it's so challenging to come off it and forces you to confront a lot of elements of your Consciousness live differently if forces you to work with your body

ADI differently if forces you to begin to look at why you went on them in the first place and then there's a whole other layer of just it's being really physically disabling in some cases to come off these meds and it really brings you to your knees sometimes and so a lot of what I think of myself as doing is just like holding space for that process to happen and then once it happens they move through into this like awakened State I mean the vast majority of my patients and you know online course completers go on to become Healers

why else would that happen if they weren't making people crazy that's why it turned to healers but you surely must declare it's a massive blow back from just conventional psychiatric medicine practitioners who are looking at what you're saying and saying so you're telling someone all they have to do is just stop eating sugar they won't be psychotic anymore that's fucking crazy I'm not saying I don't know I know you're not saying that but I'm boiling down to that you're saying that you took this woman and you took

for processed foods you made her eat healthy vegetables and meat and eggs and healthy tax and meditate coconut oil and avocado oil and detox and medication and all the inflammation went away the problem of the the insulin spikes and all the blood sugar spikes that goes away and then the body somehow or another comes back to some sort of a baseline that's right and you know in the New England Journal of Medicine recently there was a case report right 37 year old woman

woman who was so psychotic that her family took out a restraining order on her okay paranoid delusional totally psychotic she was treated with Risperdal and Zoloft and antipsychotic and an antidepressant which did nothing a year of this nonsense later she was finally diagnosed with gluten sensitivity because a wheat sensitivity right they put her on a 3 this is in the hospital this is not like in some quacks office you know in Boulder they how dare you go after bulldog

it's one spot though that is a spot and Sedona that's another one I'm going there actually Mexico can't wait to check it out totally so in three months on this strict gluten-free diet she was totally normal again wow so this is not like a wellness fad it there are real root drivers but we don't know what it is for you right like I said it could be physiologic where it's like you know there's a similar story about a lifelong vegetarian woman this is in the published literature who became

umm psychotically depressed was admitted for Catatonia Catatonia is like the worst diagnosis in school in Psychiatry right she's basically unresponsive she was so mentally ill okay they treated her with electroshock therapy because the antipsychotics and antidepressants they use didn't work finally she gets transferred to an outside hospital because they were like well we don't know what to do with this woman they check her B12 level and it's like you know tanked they give

a couple of B12 injections and not only is she better but she's better than she's been in like 14 years from a couple of B12 so my point is that for her it was B12 for her it was weak for someone else it could be blood sugar instability for someone else thyroid autoimmune thyroid can make you crazy can make you suicidal according to the literature is not a theory right you ever had anybody that you put on this diet and they didn't respond and they stayed psychotic or whatever the issue was here's why

why not a long time because I screened for Readiness right so I screen for mindset and that's what we're talking about earlier because if you're ready and you believe that you're like a whole radical next chapter of your life is like forthcoming then I'm just part of the ritual you know and it's like using the placebo effect even I don't know I mean I'm very into some really fancy bow right but it is a belief

the if you don't believe that this is going to do anything for you and you're a skeptic it won't write it won't and I can show you all the science in the world and it won't work for you but the physiological changes of adjusting your diet those are real right so like why won't it but your beliefs can even override that whoa I think that's dreams are possible okay so I'll tell you about another study so these are people like your friends and millions of others who think they were treated to remission think

medication really help them right right with Prozac okay so they're like well on Prozac okay so they're put in this study 12-week study and they get to either stay with their same dose of Prozac that help them or they get crossed over to the placebo arm the sugar pill arm and they don't know which is going to happen right so what happened interestingly in that study is that the time they were crossed over or not they both both groups became

sickly significantly depressed right so like Mary takes her 40 milligrams on Tuesday enters the study is still taking her 40 milligrams like next Thursday but now all the sudden she's acutely depressed just because of the possibility that she might have gotten the sugar pill that's called the nocebo effect so the nocebo effect is the impact of fear or negative beliefs that limit your ability to respond to a given intervention it's real it's more important than anything we're actually doing is

is what you believe is so somebody convinces you the Krispy Kreme Doughnuts could fix you that there literally might be some truth to that there could be and and I was like I wouldn't wait on some level like psych meds with Krispy Kreme Donuts so there are some people who are going to say like wow that really helped me so this guy Irving Kirsch right he's a psychologist who's like a placebo effect expert arguably what what he identified was that when you control for

it's called the active placebo effect which is what happens when you feel the side effects you've been warned about of a given medication and then you feel the medication is working and then it actually works right so when you control for the active placebo effect by giving people in a trial edgy depressant but then also a medication like atropine for example that has very similar side effects dry mouth you know headache

in this kind of thing there's no difference so what he showed is that there is no statistically significant effect of antidepressants above and beyond Placebo and that the reason that people believe that they're working and they are right so they believe it and then they do is because they feel a shift they feel a change and they've been educated by commercials and their doctor maybe about these side effects and then they start to say oh my chemical imbalance is being

just adjusted right so it's subtle but this is not in just in Psychiatry it's really relevant to Psychiatry but it's true in surgery you know they do sham operations in Orthopedics and it's true in even you know pain management you know that the placebo effect is so real and it's not like you're being fooled like you know like in my training I was taught to dismiss the placebo effect like some nuisance we have to control for but it's if we could Bruce Lipton said this like if we

we could harness this we would have a side effect free medicine for everyone you know but we don't study it we don't understand it and we just assume it's like people being tricked or something it wants a placebo effects fairly limited like nothing really truly miraculous it's true it's about 30% but that's exactly the efficacy of antidepressants is around 30%

so there was a study once that was done on some a kid who had some horrible wart disease where it was incurable and it was like spreading all over their body and over their arm do you know the study I don't and they gave this kid some sort of a placebo and it completely cleared it up

and that's amazing I should know that yeah that and then when they found out that it was a placebo then it became a problem I think it came back yeah I think that there's something going on with the mind and the body right and that's what the placebo effect is demonstrating right but this is unharnessed and this is untrained and this is very different than what's going on with the mind with meditation which is harnessed and trained and focused so your thought is that this

mine factor is not just an inconvenience it's not just a variable but maybe one of the most crucial aspects to overall health that if not the most crucial yeah and again conventional medicine is interested in this to some extent now noticing that what people believe like that you'll lose less blood and surgery if you visualize losing less blood and surgery that that actually happens how can you control the physiologic activity of your body but you

you can that's why I'm saying like we have soft proof that it's a it's a it's a study on puppy how do they convince them that they're going to lose last broad they met it they visualize it they meditate on it visualize losing less blood so they have one group that says you're going to do a visualization where you just like visualize your body letting go of less blood after the surgery or during the surgery and then the other group does does the thing you know if you have one group he said dude you're gonna spray like a fountain you'll got broken fire hydrant you're gonna just be crushing all the

able you're going to be a sprinkler you're right you should conduct this study that would be fascinating to see if the nocebo effect would have it probably would they probably would yeah I would imagine there's probably a way you can mind fuck someone into some terrible state right that so you know where we see this is in cancer diagnosis it's called medical hexing that you know when you are diagnosed with cancer you're risking your you know the completion of suicide but also other accidents and your health basically declines simply because of the

the diagnosis and that's why it's considered to be as like bone pointing or something so it's Voodoo it's what we've always known that like someone could put a hex on you and if you know that a hexes on you you know I goddamn is a goddamn hex on me that's and you start believing it's right and then it could really cause a huge issue I that's what I has become clear to me is real and we don't want to think about it that way because we think medicine is science and it's you know this you know sort of impenetrable you know the hallowed Halls of truth but it's a religion just

anything else in fact nickens all is my mentor said it's the last really unrecognized religion on the planet is medicine and you know we have special language and we wear costumes and there's initiatory rights were talking about The Hazing process of but it's real in a lot of aspects like the medicine involved in treating a bacterial infection antibiotics that medicine involved in healing a broken arm you know there's there's real stuff their products is a whole nother conversation for sure emergency medicine

Ian listen if you know I get hit by a bus don't like bring me to my don't bring out you know my naturopath in her she's gonna love it exactly it's gonna be fine staging my body for emergencies that's what conventional medicine is really designed for we only ran into trouble when we started extrapolating from acute setting medicine into the outpatient world will also the denial of the aspects of nutrition I did denial the influence of nutrition like this this

D of the only concentrating on the medicine and not concentrating on what we know to be viable Alternatives and things that can make your body healthier like not taking that into account seems it seems almost insane it seems like you're going to fix a car like I hear a banging I'm just gonna inflate these fucking tires and you know like what about the engine there's a banging in the engine should I fix the engine like no no no just turn off the alarm light just turned out he on like it's almost like there's there's but it's not an aspects they're looking at that

aspects of medication and because of all the aforementioned variables like student loans the consensus of your peers everybody's in this sort of group together is all those unspoken word that you're not going to criticize The Establishment and you can't really do that because if you do you're out of a job and all your money that you spent on God yeah I mean

it's important to remember that the pharmaceutical industry is a business right when you when you forget that and you think that they're in it to protect your well-being bus I see if you forget that which is easy to do right you know especially because they work with doctors and we think of doctors as priests ill if you forget that then you can get into trouble because you take their word for something you perhaps should be doing a broader investigation

Asian I'm but if you remember that it's a business and it's very lucrative successful business I mean it's the business model of all time then you'll look with some circumspection upon their claims and their approach you know but our education as doctors is totally through the lens of pharmaceutical model you know Regulatory Agencies famously like the FDA CDC and industry it's like a revolving door literally you know and this is totally available information on the internet

that they're all the same people so we really do have the fox guarding the hen house and that's where we get into trouble if we don't have transparency around a true regulatory body that is not you know fiscally invested we're gonna have a problem especially for presenting this as the only legitimate course of action for a sick patient you know where you can actually as a parent have your children taken away from you if you don't participate in the model have there ever been any serious suggestions that way

remove this whole ask your doctor commercial aspect of medicine I could just see nothing so much it seems so crazy that we know how influential commercials are right when they're so influential and these are not just fact-based commercials they've got cheery music going on there's sunshine and butterflies and shit and it just makes you feel like super happy I want to be like these people they're smiling all the time totally and it's conditioning crazy that that they can do that for drugs but you could argue right now

you're just empowering patients with knowledge to help themselves right like that's why we're allowing the commercials you know because your doctor for Bill if eyes and keep you from jumping off a bridge or make you doing after dr. oh my God yeah she said Abilify was at one point in time the most prescribed now recently it was the number one prescription I think it was two years ago centroids always up there but yeah it was and it's because it's it's there's these Trends I guess these

stylistic Trends in prescribing that of course have no evidence based in Psychiatry were really vulnerable to that because there isn't a clear you know a to be in terms of presenting symptoms and medication recommendation it's sort of a free for all you know you can pile on as many or as few as you want and there are algorithms but they're very loose we're trying to say is scientology's right

who said that it's kind of what you're trying to say right I mean aren't they like super anti-scientology remember when Tom Cruise was on what's his face what's that dude's name the dude's name the Good Morning America guy be on Oprah Matt Lauer yeah Matt Lauer that's right your glib Matt yeah he's been on that but an Oprah was when he was in love he's jumping on the couch and he was in love like no straight man who's ever lived on the face of the planet

he's in love I'm your love of my life now I'm divorced but back then I was into it but no when he's was saying that on the Good Morning America show with Matt Lauer he was essentially just saying what Scientology is always had like if you go down sunset or Hollywood where was this Psychiatry kills Center oh right you know it's on Sunset there's some part of Hollywood we have had tests outside people would like electroshock helmets on like ah

and like it's like Psychiatry kills like what is this it's a fucking Scientology center now you go in there they'll like you don't need Scientology you need to hold on to these cans they're attached to the e-meter we got to find out what Stickin you know and then they start manipulating your beliefs and that in turn helps you feel better so there is some sort of a correlation between the mind you know getting I mean you know in a way like they're almost like not totally misguided in their efforts right yes and I would say an important difference

in my perspective perhaps and there's is that I believe in like individual empowerment also not asking for 10% of all their income you don't require two and a half hours of study every night yeah no this is hopefully more differences than that but but no I mean it's you know if you're subsuming someone into a want to say like Colt culture how about a culture that's cool pause before I say the church or cult sure then you're just

just transferring dependents you know from one model to the next and you know sort of my bag is to really be coming back there are power through a methodology that's you know their own alone I think that highlights why that stuff works for people and why a lot of different things work for people a lot of different kinds of religions and unfortunately a lot of different Cults and a lot of different ideologies and a lot of different mindsets do work for people even fucking CrossFit there was a great article that I read about equating CrossFit too

the fact that people do not have these religious groups they don't have these social bonding through Community because we're not going to church anymore so now they're going to this gym and they'll like a lot of them literally call the gym Church totally yeah have you heard of the Rat Park studies rat Park ya rat like the rodent what what is it which studies on what so the their these Canadian studies that basically looked at the addictive model of cocaine right so like you put we know right if you put a rat in a cage

by itself and you give it the choice of water or cook or cocaine it's going to drink the cocaine until it dies yeah I'm aware of these but then these yeah so then these researchers are basically like well hold on a minute that's like totally unnatural environment for got to be in so if we what if we like put it in Rat heaven where I can like have sex with other rats and hang out and have like a community and there's things to play with and little wheels and whatever then what happens and if you give them cocaine or water they don't touch the cocaine and you can even a dick them in isolation and they will volunteer

only detox in red Heaven there's nothing to rattling yeah so what does that mean right it means that we fundamentally need Community like we need each other like it or not and we don't have that as a part of the fabric we live in boxes we don't know our neighbors like we don't have communities anymore right and so any time we have the opportunity whether through AA or CrossFit to plug into a community we fix something inside ourselves so we have less

of a vulnerability to abuse the effects of a substance like cocaine or right that the rat Park study so important because so many people will cite that as evidence that cocaine is so incredibly addictive well no when they find out about this because this is a different variation on that study in the old okay I'm going to wrap our contacts yeah the context matters me you're kind of in a red Park every day if you're in a cubicle environment exactly car in traffic

you're on the bus no one's talking anybody you're in a little cubicle by yourself you know with and then there's a shared suffering that's coming from things like CrossFit we have these paint these moments of your bonding together almost like you guys are you know you're in the trenches right yeah yeah there's suffering together there's something to yoga class like that people get all sot Namaste on you means there's like that there's a lot of struggles that it's hard it's hard to provide yeah yoga's really hard and that's part of what's good about it

is that we need I think we need hard things I think your body if you're just constantly nerfed and everything soft and everything's a free ride and there's no Ops or downs and everything's middle like what is that that's not a human it's not life and 2% it's not what your design for so like when you're having a difficult window in your life you know and maybe you know why like you had a loss or you don't know why and things are just off yeah right like

either you have a Consciousness that says there's something here you know there's something to this or some meaning to this I got to look deeper I got to pay attention to things I got to rebalance in different I gotta up my game you know self-care or your like this sucks I don't want to feel this way and there are thousands of prescribers like happy to open their door to you yeah and that is really the problem right the real problem is that there's so many different options other than what's going to make you healthy and there's so many different ways to just numb this

whole experience just numb at all down right like let's put some ice on it baby you're going to be fine let's numb this whole thing down I I have been of the opinion especially over the last few years I've really focused on this heavily I've talked about it maybe too much but I think people need to struggle in order to appreciate how nice things are and also to mitigate the effects of actual bad things that happen to you if you can do difficult hard things on a daily basis

regular basis you know whatever your schedule allows for but whether it's martial arts or whether it's yoga or the difficult struggle physical struggles we have to test yourself we have to pull through you have to have discipline and resolve and it's hard to do when you get through that you develop that muscle and that understanding of struggle and believe it or not this is where it's going to seem really weird the struggle that you get in a yoga class is so much harder than the struggle that you'll ever experience outside of

of that right when you're ready sense like know you're going to work out like this is just like no this is not spin class man this is something like very intense not that's been class hey I was gonna say I was like yeah I'm about to spin classes are too I mean it's a bad example what I should say is it's not like going to the gym and doing like a simple round of light calisthenics it's pushing you into your discomfort real serious discomfort when you want to quit you want to stop and you have to push through and

that intense focus on difficult things it makes life more bearable total makes more enjoyable my Awakening so to speak began when I gave birth for the first time well right yeah and I had a natural birth and doing a bathtub to get crazy so the second time I did a birthing center the first time the second time I had a home birth why'd you do that though what if there was anything wrong you need to get to the hospital it's interesting because my first birth I was still in the Matrix right

so like I was still eating McDonald's and you know prescribing and you like that kid less than the second kid like Yeah The Matrix baby totally than it meanwhile she's like a stage she had to compensate for all my dark energy so I actually had a natural birth because of the science because I was like in this real like know-it-all place in my life are believe it or not I've tried to move past that but I had this Oba

time and I was like she doesn't know what she's talking about and I researched like what is the evidence you OB is actually like Psychiatry only about 30% of obstetric all practices are evidence-based and the rest is consensus like the rest is just they're just doing it because they're doing it like what about like the cord is wrapped around the baby or any of that what if nothing we've been doing this since the beginning of time and if you babies have died since the beginning of time because of these things so we actually have a home birth versus Hospital birth data which is should be totally unnecessary

three right right but we actually have it at this point to demonstrate that that's like patent is fear mongering it's like patently but people do get choked by umbilical cords right yes so where do anything is possible of course so when that's going down but the truth is that when you know hospital when you research the interventions you will find so I had a natural birth because the research that I did on the interventions things like fetal monitoring episiotomy even ultrasound let alone C-section

you know antibiotics during delivery Etc what I found was that there wasn't science to support them and actually the science suggest that they should be abandoned so what I was left with was that what is the science suggest should be abandoned these interventions C-sections yeah oh and the consensus even the who which is part of the machine but even even the who says they should be less than 10% I mean there are over in New York there are upwards of almost almost 40 percent of births are see why Greg why women doing that

they doing that to save the vaginas they're doing it because they don't want to feel bad feelings and they don't feel pain it's exactly what we're talking about I've heard women like specifically say they don't want to get stretched out I don't think that's a big yes certainly but I don't think that's a huge motivator I think people are really men have been made to feel afraid of their own bodies it's the birth control thing we were talking about earlier if you think of your body as a total pain you know that's dangerous it's going to fuck up at any given time and you're going to you know

I wish you would listen to your you know Doctor Who's a man and never had a baby then you could obviously be led down this path that says let me manage your body I know better science knows better how to do this your body messes up all the time right so that's the mentality and in that mentality my opinion is that your robbed of this opportunity like psychedelic level opportunity to have a transformation of your

- because it is hard and it is scary and it breaks your mind my mind broke on that day broke and it's also never been recovered because it was literally so intense that my mind was telling me you're going to die you're going to die you're going to die you're gonna die pain it´s like a pain but it's more more than that it's not pain that you've ever you would have recognized because it's purposeful pain it's not just a signal of something wrong

right so it's a sensation that is a part of the process of moving a human being through and out of your body so it's not we call it pain but you know midwives don't call it pain for example it's not pleasure either it's just another thing is another thing so but Martha screaming it's pain because when you're in that intense portal you moan you have there are these Primal sounds we make you know when we're making love or when we're experiencing you know fear when we're really

in it you know we make those kinds of sounds and and there is a lot of fear but ultimately if you don't succumb to it you it breaks and you see oh that was trying to tell me I couldn't do this and look I just did it do you ever think that if you could meet your old self that your old self be like listen to this crazy bitch 100% I wouldn't even have hung out with me I like laughs I don't even like talk to me at a bar Kundalini placebos huh

what do you want me to do eat eggs the fuck out of here this girl's crazy get around killing you need pills no you need pills you're delusional you're talking about healers and holistic medicine would have in the eye roll of all time totally that's hilarious how do you how do you you know reconcile yeah because I feel myself like I feel 100% myself and I know is it there is there a self-conscious aspect of it where you do recognize

Nuys that there are certain science-based practitioners that will be like rolling their eyes at you oh I don't care you don't care no no I don't care about that and it was interesting right so I published this book last year in March what's called again a mind of your own and I published it was really weird experience because I you know I was total newbie I never written a book before whatever and out the gate I got like this very generous advance from a mainstream publisher which shocked me and then it comes time to publish it

and they can't get me on a single you know the Today Show dr. Oz 60 minutes and they're used to Waltzing their authors who they give these large advances to like right onto these platforms right mainstream media platforms I told them it is not going to work with me like you haven't worked with someone like me before trust me it's not going to work out these are all Pharma funded Outlets even NPR PBS they all are so you know we're gonna have to come up with something else and ultimately they didn't listen and and they started to

spaz when I a month before launch didn't have a single interview they never had that happen before and so it was cool because alt media you know like this I just called on a bunch of my friends and colleagues and we was like top 20 on Amazon within the first week and that's like the power like mainstream media is totally dead and I'm still you that but weird it was so quiet for like the whole year afterward if you Google my book there is not a negative review of this like very

controversial text on the internet very weird because we have trolls on our site every single day on Facebook for example or you know Twitter even Instagram it's like part of the deal of being an activist is that you deal with astroturfing and you deal with that whole you know sort of astroturfing oh yeah you should there is an amazing Ted Talk that you need to watch by sharyl attkisson who's like a turncoat journalist right like she used to be an anchor I don't know where

and so she has this Ted Talk on AstroTurf and she basically breaks it down as her turfing is like what so the word right it's consits like a fake Grassroots movement on social media right so it's paid industry paid Bots basically who generate the impression that there is an opinion and teii anyone who threatens The Establishment right and then they there are people who like

organically glom onto that so they create this this okay so they'll come on my site by the thousands right and it immediately after a comment is written like you quack like where did you get that fake medical degree like you're killing people you should be ashamed of yourself you're reckless and yeah exactly and they almost always call me Atwater account that's like almost always part of it that's how you know and there will be like 500 likes within 10 minutes that's like one of the indications that it's

troll you know what I mean so like the be a faithful you know that that's the troll and not just people resonating with this idea that they hate quacks because I don't have that many people on my Facebook page that that would ever be a metric you know it's not even like probably algorithmically possible that it would be an organic phenomenon did you see that thing recently Jamie brought it up yesterday about Donald Trump they it turns out that he just had millions of bots follow him on Twitter

I know where there's like something like 4 million Bots yeah just joined on it and everyone's like okay what's going on here what happened here what is this these are fake accounts yeah it's like a thing that's not surprising that the note events right you like part of that they can manipulate this thing's half of President Trump's Twitter followers are Bots holy shit this is so crazy so you generate the impression that there's a Grassroots energy and that's it's actually not real he picked up three

million Twitter followers in recent days most of which appeared to be recently created Twitter bot screenwriter John Niven pointed out Tuesday Morning the Trump's accounts all you big spike and followers over the weekend most of them newly created accounts without photos or tweets tells Harold tons signs of Twitter Bots wow thats for this is actually easy so that is something that they're doing they're making it an active campaign sort of bolster up his public appeal and his right and in that case

you know I don't know specifically but in that case it would be to generate the impression that it's Grassroots right when it's not that's why it's called astroturfing God it's fake Grassroots got it but yeah so so I have all that energy in my daily life but I didn't have a single negative review of this book in like a you last night weird

says it's false while this is mostly false this is President Trump like other Twitter users with large following has a large number of followers that appear to be Bots or inauthentic automated user profiles what's false Trump did not receive an influx of five million new Twitter followers in three days oh so Snopes questioning yeah so what how much how many did I thought they said three million

as of May 1st it had 28.5 so it couldn't have gone up that fast over the month because it's Elena one and a half million gain I don't know that's not even no abnormal for someone with that many millions he is 28 million I would feel like I don't know what the story just got weirder so yeah hmm according to the image archive damages 22-page rumors of a surgeon files were greatly exaggerated wow that's that what that's

that's fake news I mean what he's talking about a jumped on the fake story - yeah well I'm sure there's a ton of bots following him I know there's a ton of bots following me yeah I get them all the time these women that are fake women that want to talk about sex like come to come chat with me about sex comes sex me up and they're like it's all like the worst broken English like it's the same tried to have a conversation with them it's not worked out who explained it to it yeah I try to DM them they don't ignore me who try to explain that to us

that they use intentionally was it malice was it Michael Mal's that they used intentionally shitty language so that if you follow them like they're poor grammar yeah sort of like alerts them to suspicious people so the suspicious people don't interact with them but dumb people so they are there a honey pot that creates this environment that stupid people are attracted to because they can't see the grammatical errors because they're dumb and so it makes it more

effective so these Nigerian scammers apparently purposely use bad grammar like they're more than capable of using good English but they use this shitty grammar so that the people that they do get are just really dumb they're not trying to snag like they try to sell you the ivy Leaguers yeah well anybody who's got a Discerning idea of you know what this may or may not be they're not trying to get that the trying to get the gullible and there's plenty of them like why why go fishing for sharks we can catch guppy you know and get Nets

Polly Guppies it came to their own way through the net this is Easy Pickins talkable Taco try to catch a whale dude that's too much work you know it's really interesting though it's I mean if that is how sophisticated they truly are it's kind of fascinating but once you know this stuff then you can interpret you know it just helps to be aware of it it would be a big big deal if we found out that pharmaceutical companies were actively engaging in the use of these Bots to attack people like you like if you had

like Wikileaks on your side that like dug into this shit and you know Scott some whistleblower from the pharmaceutical industry that cares and release that stuff that would be pretty giant where I have some colleagues working on that really yeah don't tell people now they're going to have enjoyed over the tracks they'll never know no I mean the truth is that I don't think it's going to require that because I think people are waking up just like by sheared Zeitgeist energy like people are waking up they are calling

bullshit on a lot of the heavy-handed claims of the pharmaceutical industry they know their doctors aren't helping them you know they know that the conventional model has a very limited ability to help them and or they've tried it and it's not worked so people are waking up and that's why in more recent time I focus my energy not unlike fighting this is like some David and Goliath you know situation but I I'm just focusing on making sure people know like what's possible it's like Muniz Bucky Fuller quote like you don't fight the existence

system you know you create one that makes the existing system obsolete basically I don't know who made this quote but it's a wonderful one in this regard that before diagnosing yourself with depression first make sure you're not surrounded by assholes whose quote is that texts a great quote on quote it is you know and also you might have a shitty life you know you might be bummed out because you're working all the time and a job that's uninspiring you might be bummed out because you got an abusive spouse you might be bummed out because you live in a crime-infested

neighborhood you might be bummed out for you know you might have some environmental issues that are causing health problems it's a lot going on you might work in a job that gets you exposed to toxic fumes or chemicals or right but variables we you know we're in a medical system that blames your biology

that's it just blames your biology so if it's convenient and because it suits the Paradigm that someplace right that's exactly right

is that what it should be a lot of people ascribe it to Freud right but this quote investigator.com says that it actually should go to this Twitter account a Twitter account yeah which Twitter account Debbie hope should be credited with Debbie attracting the saying it says Debbie wizard you whoever it was she nailed it did she nail it and attributed to Freud I just that's not kind of a clever move I don't like attention the radius of the version yeah really awesome and attributed

some dead due to is a genius found the site before it they kind of like do the telephone game with quotes and sort of like this is what we're saying and then they go through like this doll the iterations of How It's been translated out well do you remember that one Greg Giraldo joke that got attributed to me online and people had a photos of me with Greg draw those quote and something that I never said it's absolutely not mine I didn't know whose it was and then someone had to say that's great girl jurado's and then people say why are you stealing Greg Giraldo shit my I'm making memes like I'm not

doing that somebody else did that but I put it on Twitter this is not mine I think I might have put it on Instagram too long time ago but it was weird it was like I kept getting them or like you get them these memes come and waves yes you know I get ones that I did say I get those in waves to I get these pictures of me with like weird quotes that I had said memes are very powerful yeah videos even more powerful though because I think people have come like to this conclusion that they can't trust anything anymore names are funny that's one of the things

a good solid shame that's one of the things that was so egregious about that fat Jewish guy yeah he was stealing these brilliant ideas and it made him look brilliant when really he's just sort of this aggregator of other people's awesome ideas without giving them credit and he just got in on this plagiarism loophole and everybody's like what and now he's got this weird thing that he does where he says that he puts up the the meme he writes his own quote and then just puts The Originators name at the end of it he doesn't even say

only created by he just puts their name and that's like attribute incredible some sort of a weird way it's super slimy like what's going on now with like and the problem is like some it'll send you something and I have a real issue with this like someone sends me something that's hilarious and I want to put it on Instagram like I don't know made it can I just put it up like what do I do do I say hey I don't know who the fuck made this let me know and then put it up and then people go to see what Joe Rogan said this is hilariously I didn't say it in

Butters I'm big into attribution because it makes it like it's like I have company around me you know I got also pick red her onto a business yeah like the mean business is a business and then they have sponsored sponsored Instagram posts and sponsored tweets and they make a lot of money like there's a lot of money to be made if people were getting these development deals to do television shows and all sorts of other things based on the content of other people's ideas they're just aggregating that's amazing yeah well it's just a weird loopholes like if you were doing

it with music like say if you just wanted to take riffs that you thought were really awesome and put them on your music page people go will fuck you you can't do that this is my stuff I created this but we that signature unless you're putting watermarks on everything the signature is not necessarily available with memes right because they're that powerful that's yeah and if you do put a watermark you know what they do they just find the original photo put their own quote over it and just don't tribute anything to you because they don't want you to have the watermark on their page

sneaky it's like some weird copyright loophole that exists now well no one knows exactly what to do about it it's am ambulance-chasing lawyers to catch up yes ambulance Chambers Chasers so what blowback have you experienced other than this influx of trolls and people there and I was saying right is that for a whole year none like I took out a large life-insurance policy did you when I published my book expecting like

pretty serious where do you were going to die it's happened I have colleagues you know what college did you have that have died I believe that mystery hanger but it's you think people have been killed because they've criticized pharmaceutical companies you just have to know that it's the most powerful industry in the public eye anyway that's intense though what you just said like you you have colleagues that you believe may have been

killing me you don't want to talk about it obviously he clamped right up it's hard to shut me up it is hard to tell me you really believe that serves like to Ted still you know what I mean is like focus on this layer and but I do I like it's a powerful narrative how about that so possible narrative they might silence you and in the in the realm of independent journalism and media where some random Schmo like me can actually have influence especially you know that I am

I'm credentialed in a way that people might pay attention to right then why would they not want to you know quiet me but well they put labels on cigarettes no one gives a shit yeah you know I don't know if what you're saying is worth killing somebody over who knows I mean I'm still here so apparently not right and what we don't I mean it means like all those whistleblowers when it came to cigarettes and cancer those people who gives a shit it's people they make more money from cigarettes now than ever less people smoke so they just charge more for cigarettes and they make more than ever they make more now

for cigarettes and they have in the last 15 years yeah no I believe that and and it's true that just because but I write like I'm not just trying to scare people out of taking meds kind of hot but also showing that you can totally shed your chronic illnesses completely forever while Cacho forever but the you can have long-term shedding of your chronic illnesses that to me is a more threatening element of what I have to say than just like these pills are dangerous you shouldn't take them I'm not saying that I'm saying

saying you might have been told you're broken that you have a mental illness for life but in fact you know like I have a woman who completed my online program had such bad migraine headaches that she had to be on IV treatment she was treated by the top neurologist at Emory she was on multiple Pharmaceuticals she was bed bound for two years okay and she completed my program which we talked about this is not rocket science okay and she's totally symptom-free totally yeah so that's pretty threatening right to show you

in fact what you're told is a permanent problem you just have to deal with and live with with pharmaceutical medicine could be completely dissolved is a very threatening concept and I'm not the only one I mean many functional medicine doctors and holistic healers are are you know working to create awareness of this possibility but regardless it was pretty weird that you know the book made the New York Times list strangely and there wasn't a mention of it in mainstream media for a year not one

it's like nobody wanted you to have to have you on the show this is amazing that's not a negative review like not a single mention in mainstream media so the negative review is the problem with that is that you could refute the negative reviews and also caused tension attention on it and like let's see what her response and they decided to ignore me wish I was totally cool with because I had a very chill year but it's your life insurance policy yeah right exactly just just waiting a you know to get my couple million to my kids but it's changing like even in the

month or so there's been like a more of a targeted effort and a couple of alluring Cosmo and a couple of mainstream Outlets have begun to suggest that I am you know a dangerous Reckless person who shames women who take meds they've said this In Articles yeah I mean yeah wow I want to give it the claim that like energy but not funny that like if you give advice that

based on actual studies actual medicine give advice about you know hey maybe it's not a good idea that you take these crazy medications where we don't exactly know why you're taking them we don't know exactly if these are the right medications for you they're testing them on you literally as you go along that you're shaming I'm not even saying maybe it's not a good idea I'm just saying here's what the science says that you might not have been told and here's what's additionally possible you should just at least know okay and here's the social proof you know interviews I'm publishing for case reports as we speak in the peer-reviewed index Medical

sure you know so this is not like some random blog I wrote okay so just know that that's possible and then make your decision and guess what if you're on meds and this sounds interesting to you then I'm showing you there's a path to a new you know approach right that's you know that's it but actually you know and I hate to even given Airwaves because it's just sort of ridiculous and I do believe a lot of initiated with astroturfing but I'm being called an ableist

it's one of the new ones the kids are using all these little snowflakes good to know I love it so like some shaming people who can't do what I'm able to do including have a home birth you know it's not but the list this has been around for a while like to turn white to I know but have white privilege your woman it's not as bad white woman privilege is not real it is real no it's real certainly is only as but you guys have a you know struggle with that a bit more yes perhaps

I'm a conqueror I'm a man terrible person done are really things throughout history really all men are response your problem stuff Yes mine yeah ableist is a wonderful term you ever use that Jamie no of call me buddy neighborhood no one actually does yeah well I mean if they do and they do online who knew I don't know where I've been that I never heard that term people are just it's too easy to get by sooo easy to eat it's too easy to survive it's not enough difficulty out there people go looking for insults and looking

four things that our office yeah there's a constant searching for outrage this quest for recreational outrage you know and people find things to be appalled at and then attacked him and go nuts over it's just very strange time it's a I think it's beautiful though I think it's all it's all really good like we're coming to grips with how Preposterous we are and we're doing so in the middle of these embroiled battles over ideologies over cultural expression there's a some

in Portland that are taking a rash of shit because they're selling burritos and they're white they made a burrito truck and people are going crazy to try to shut them down shot them down because they're not Mexican and they're selling burritos like they're not you know they're not pretending they're not like putting shoe polish on and pretending they're not putting Brown face on they're just fucking selling burritos like it's so crazy now you said there is no yours critics are saying that clothes white womens Portland breathe

so stand for cultural theft what the fuck man there burrito the assholes Mexicans don't even eat burritos just a do how dare you when you want to bet she's gonna do you eat burritos I've eaten burritos and email Mexican food yes I have had a real chicken burrito in Mexico it was quite delicious I love Mexico I just don't understand why anybody thinks that there's something wrong with learning a style of cooking it's like I think if you have cultural appropriation if you have like a

person who's pretending they're from Laos and they start talking with the fake accent and you know and you go hey man you're fucking Cleveland you're not even you're not even have loused a scent like you do at 23andMe on you and your find out like your family's from Finland like the fuck is wrong with you but there are people that do that and that is crazy right but that's just deceptive this is not deceptive is someone who likes making burritos they're making burritos and then these goofy white kids are fucking closing them down and that's what it is

it's cultural appropriation Heroes just shouting out from the rooftop that you're wrong right you're wrong and it's like you said we're just always looking for who to blame who to be mad at who to make sort of the the persecutor of our felt wrongness it's that same issue it's so crazy no it is a weird it is a weird time and the trouble is you know that the more that we this infighting is like in some ways a distraction from the greater

choose that for sure government overreach and these greater issues that are allowed to unfold while we're busy calling each other names yeah you doing that on Twitter and the government's literally reading your emails while you're doing it right and you're like no but we have to worry about this burrito stank you think you're fine can of salsa you can't have tortillas you're not from here like what is wrong with people that never existed before I like whatever here's the thing here's what's fascinating it only works if the people that you're supposedly

be culturally stealing from our Brown like if you tried cooking French food and you're not a French descent nobody gives a shit you could cook Italian food all day long and no one cares about cultural appropriation like you could be a white woman from Switzerland who lives in New Jersey and runs an Italian restaurant and no one cares they won't care well arguably they haven't been like a pressed I guess in the same way that we're at one point in time he's got through it now you can technique you know it's Mexican but it mean for real mean that's

literally the path of boxing in America was it was Jewish people Italians Irish it was this oppressed people black folks it was always the people that were the most economically suppress that Rose to and then they were also like my grandparents Came From Italy and they experienced horrible racism back then back in the early 1900s but by the time they integrate into society like being Italian isn't even thought of as being not white anymore interesting yeah but when my grandparents were

kids it was like just like being Mexican it was the same kind of thing it was like you were treated like someone from somewhere else that they didn't want here right you know they called them Guinea wops and all these crazy slangs is horrible Expressions it don't even mean anything anymore right there so ineffective now and our hope is right that one day it's going to get like that with Mexicans the same way it's like you can't really mock someone from being from Holland no one gives a shit like you can say oh you're from Holland like a bit Yeah like it's not what about Guido though like design

matter they call it as themselves Guido's like people in my family when they call themselves Guido and now the call himself guineas the call themselves all and it's like almost like a term of endearment now and Liz is its and this is power it's true totally lost its power because it's culturally acceptable to be Italian and then one day I mean but the idea that these girls are stealing for Mexicans is worth so crazy like they're just they're just selling burritos folks just food just a certain way of preparing it you know it's not like they're pretending we invented this

no one else did it's a wrap like the people who make wraps those should be slapped that's not a rap motherfucker that's a burrito you're making a shitty burrito and you're calling it a wrap right gluten-free goes the real problem those the problem people they're calling it wraps that's looks like a tortilla no no no no rap what is what do they call did they call a rabbit or in they say it's a tortilla

what do they call that outside of a rap right when the co-opting it's like a cooperatively co-opting right that's the real theft is wraps but is it even tastes good look at those girls were just selling wraps everybody be like oh that's cool since crap they just mislabeled it wasn't have a Mexican flag anywhere any like a cartoon of a chili pepper some rera it's just I really feel like this goes I mean it's a stretch granted but I really feel like this goes back to what we're talking

came out is that people need difficulty in their life they really do and that way they don't seek out difficulties you can manufacture it ya know it's true and I think that's one of the reasons why you're getting a lot of this from these college kids whether tuitions being paid for their you know they don't they don't have jobs they're not competing in the real world they're just operating on ideologies and they're being taught by these Knuckleheads that are just trying to keep their tenure and they're trying to spread the same sort of ideology that they had when they were in college

and they never really entered into the workforce in a lot of examples a lot of these people went from Academia to teaching right I mean right in there just embed it into the system totally no hey ho ho these racist teachers have got to go right it's just people are going crazy today and I think a lot of it has to do with the same thing I think it's this newfound ability to communicate which is fantastic and it's going to have its hiccups it's going to be some issues and is going to be some some real co-opting of the system like what you're experiencing

trolls attacking an idea but over all those ideas are spreading in a way that's unprecedented and impossible just a few decades ago like your ideas spreading the way they have where I hear about them and now you know you and I sit down and talk about this millions of people going to hear this conversation yeah and this and this is unprecedented like this has never been available before so all the bad stuff you got to take it with all the good stuff light and a dark one hundred percent yeah it like what you're expressing

saying what you're trying to get out to people this is all this is all new stuff like no one was saying this 20 years ago because we were all asleep you know tricks talk this is more hippie talk to you would hate 20 years ago you'd like oh my God I'm so crazy when I'm older but that's why it's a it is a cool time because it's sort of like the democratization of information where I've if you want to learn about other perspectives on anything you look it up you know and then you make your own decision so it is a time where you have

the potential to be an individual in ways that were not honored in a more conformist you know controlled media environment I mean the trouble is that many people are still you know still believe that mainstream media is telling them the truth that that deconditioning is very challenging yeah but yeah that's a real problem I mean I think even though like the Trump stuff all those fake News Talk is so detrimental ultimately it is like you're getting

people even if they realized this guy's like knucklehead and he's wrong about a lot of stuff they're going to they're at least challenging these ideas that these networks are only giving you the news I mean Fox News is a goddamn sexual assault Paradise over there I mean these these guys just keep getting kicked out of Fox News over and over again it's all these sexual harassment allegations and people are resigning left and right right well because of all that stuff it makes you go oh

all these guys are creeps like there's a lot of creeps even there like when Brian Williams got busted lying and you're like oh that news guy is just like another asshole they just make shit up like just because he's saying the real news right sometimes doesn't mean everything he says is true like and there's no way to filter it so everybody has to question things now in a way that you never questioned during the Walter Cronkite era you know when people were giving the news back when Ted Koppel was on the air you weren't quickly Ted Koppel full of shit

saying that you know right but Brian Williams is clearly full of shit but that's why it's weirder now to follow mainstream media because if you're not saying that like how are you have how do you so much allegiance to the machine that you would never question it like to me that's surprising I could also that machine is the only vehicle for these pharmaceutical companies they have to sandwich those commercials in between you know right whatever show you're watching that's healthy

360 whatever the fuck it is this guy is only 10 minutes yeah and they just sandwich I'm in there whereas you're not going to see those commercials like no one's going to read those drug ads on a podcast you're not going to say okay well hey been really nice talking to you and I want to talk to you folks about a bill of Phi are you right now thinking about being suicidal and really want to cement those thoughts and solidify them to eat and make actions so not funny

it's right I shouldn't say it because I don't even know what I'm talking about you should be talking about this not me but here I am what is this Abilify drug blame for compulsive gambling Eating shopping sex that's just life bro how can you get blame Abilify here's one you can because of this yeah impulsivity thing I'm telling you yeah whoa no boy a gambling habit cost of between 1 million and two million in less than five years you just suck

get gambling lady stop blaming drugs the woman had been living in Las Vegas since 1999 but she had never Bears have the gamble until she started taking the drug get the fuck out of here that lady got a good lawyer she got a good lawyer and she's crazy I got 200 people on this lawsuit that I all have claimed that gambling has I want to get in on it I want to take Abilify so I can get some of that cash there was a drug called re-equip

and there was a man in Ireland that took this drug and said before the drug he was a healthy heterosexual and after he took the drug he became gay and a gambling addict and he would engage in Risky sex and he would meet men and chat rooms and have unprotected sex with them and then he got off the drug was like what did I do what anyone the equivalent of us somewhere in the neighborhood of $600,000 from glaxo Klein Smith yeah here it is

man says Parkinson's drug made him addicted to gambling and gay sex was that from 2000 what was it say up there yeah there's my memory that's what I remember I remember things that can turn me into a gay sex and gambling junkie like yeah hey meanwhile in what else works good on Parkinson's pot yeah but and pot doesn't do that well good it's crazy this guy sue the shit out of them and one that's was crazy that he won because I believe it was

crazy is it's one dude hopes for new drugs I love a sandwich that in there oh my God as many as 1 million people in the United States have Parkinsons and there's some new stuff that dad turned aside for sure yeah I like how when you scroll down the video keeps playing anyway like they put a little video like I can't escape the video it's always sit in the corner like go ahead press play don't be tempted haven't doing this on the bottom just like we're usually you'll see I got another story or similar stories a sponsored story window yeah yeah can't even tell it's sponsored

usually well you can now on CNN they have a ton of those on a lot of websites they have a ton of those yeah it's pretty fascinating and it's like you know you won't believe what they look like now and you like God what do they look like now and then you have to go through like fucking 20 pages of what other people that look like shit now to get to this one person that you might not even they might even beyond that you know they might just be totally moving you answered ten minutes of your life you never get back yeah I mean on Medscape and these like seemingly official medical websites there are

our Pharma ads that are appear to be diagnostic quizzes yeah so like do you have depression and then you go take the quiz in this is this is known you know as been exposed 100% of people are identified a pretty much no matter what you click your identified as being a candidate for of course right now like dude you're fine go play Frisbee and this objective assessment yeah you're doing great yeah oh my God I'm so glad that I have to sell you drugs me

wow that's so what what do you hope to really get into people's heads with this book and with all this information and what you've gone on in your journey if you had a like sum it up well it's sort of like when you know better you do better it's like a Maya Angelou quotes like one of my favorite quote that's a great quote it is because there's no shaming in that right good as the fake Freud quote

when you know better you do better it's really good when Freud said the word asshole and I quote so so with this information is there something in you that's like excited about it or that says like hmm yeah there's something to that because if there is then you should know what's possible right because if you know it's possible then you will naturally move towards that and the Transformations that I have seen in continue to see I mean like I cry thinking about it it's so

deeply inspirational because it's a kind of human experience that is so Redemptive it's like a real Reclamation that is not possible through the pharmaceutical model in my opinion I want to tell you a quick story about antibiotics because you brought this up yes earlier so I went to India recently right and I bought some antibiotics when you get back no no never take I would never I don't take any pharmaceutical you don't take antibiotics ever what if you got an infection like what if you got staff then I'll tell you exactly what would happen right

so I went to India okay I brought my little kit with me right knowing that there's like and honestly like I don't believe in germ theory in the classical sense so I don't neither should anyone germ theory is like if you're exposed to a bad bug then you get sick right exposure equals infection right right but you know pester himself on his deathbed said that it was the terrain not the bug so what's the terrain the terrain is the context the terrain is your body in your

lifestyle and you know in your existence so that seems to be more relevant and then the discovery of the microbiome like this inner ecology has totally we got to go back to the drawing board completely in medicine because we didn't know that before we sin is the discovery of the microbiome it's about like 20 years 20 years and 20 years we've the science of probiotics and and understanding the importance of consuming fermented foods exactly and you know superinfections through aunt

biotic overuse and the fact that you can't ever get out from under this idea of just killing the bad bugs right it doesn't work and so the more you sanitize and use bleach and alcohol and Purell and all that stuff you're actually distorting things and you're making it more likely for people to develop what are called nosocomial illnesses or infections which is Hospital induced infections right this is the hospital as a sick environment in part because we have a wrong idea about how biological ecosystems work there's no bad guys

thing works together it's like a metaphor for life in fact there aren't really any bad guys it's all you know sort of part of the polarity of life we need we need bad to know where good like it's that ancient philosophy so anyway so we go to India and I bring bentonite clay I bring colloidal silver I bring a bunch of little silver do know that is a real

that's that stuff that you like you you lose like a little electrodes you can stick the the water the stick yeah or you just rely on people to make that for you right in a responsible way didn't that turn some dude blue yeah it can do that if you have risk the wrong if you're using our view article guitar like an avatar lady and I think it back what do you think it would undermine my credibility I don't know be freaky I'm super healthy but I'm blue as fuck that poor guy he dies oh my

yeah and that's a reversible apparently yeah that's not what we're going to use our that's that's why it as a DIY it may not be the best idea so it is colloidal silver what's the benefits of chordal soap so okay so like herbal botanic Botanical you know sort of like anti microbials if you want to call them that they don't kill stuff there I think they have like a rebalancing effect but there you know for like you know sibo small intestinal bacterial overgrowth

oh that's like a thing people are struggling with that a lot of functional medicine doctors treat there's randomized trial looking at antibiotics versus herbal Botanicals showing herbal Botanicals are as effective so why would you ever bother with the risks of antibiotics which are legion I mean they're massive risk what herbal Botanicals are specifically effective efficient things like oil of oregano for example it's like that's really good for your are studied ones you know grapefruit seed extract their pow Darko there's a whole number of them Goldenseal echinacea that

of these properties and a lot of supplements just sort of put them all together right okay so I'm making a story too long so I go to India I bring all this stuff right and one of the women it's like a Kundalini trip one of the women gets really sick like like projectile vomiting and like screaming in pain like bad scene I laughed right before you get to screaming in pain I thought she was just puking you know it was it was she was super sick and even the Indian dude who was sort of like our

Peron in a way like a friend of the woman who led the plead the trip was like oh we gotta bring her to the hospital hospital and you're like no I gotta give her colloidal silver and I was like give me 12 hours to really look in the eyes it's like give me 12 hours and I know her well enough to know that she would be down for this approach okay so and she was not afraid important detail She's Not Afraid she was super uncomfortable but she wasn't like freaking out and like oh my God I'm gonna die okay just thought she was sick

which is true so in Temple Towers she was completely well we were in the car for a two-hour trip going to like another part of Northern India and how did you cure or treat her she may very well have done it herself and and the ritual of these supplements and bentonite clay and whatever could have just been an accessory who knows the truth is that if she had taken antibiotics which she never did if she had taken them reflexively she probably would have been sick longer and

she then ultimately when she got better would have attributed to the end antibiotics right so she never would have had the opportunity to just see what her body's capable of so we make these assumptions about pharmaceuticals in the absence of any Baseline evidence information or even experience to help us understand what our bodies are capable of but what if someone catches one of these antibiotic-resistant very aggressive strains like mersa

I mean you know so so my partner has a website called pre-med in photo cam right what is it called Green Med info dot green Med info.com and he catalogs all of the data from pubmed.gov on these natural substances evidence that shows that something like garlic you know because there's a study he put up on on Merson I think it was like garlic and maybe honey or something you would laugh at right dr. Rhonda Patrick went through this and she talked about on the podcast she had a persistent

staph infection that would not go away and treat she treated it with garlic and in a topical form and it cured it when nothing else would and she had gone through this host of antibiotics that really wrecked her gut biome and she was really fucked up for like a year because of it and she treated with a topical application of garlic which is crazy and it sounds crazy until you actually learn that there's you wouldn't know that there's actually science to support that yeah so there is a ton of science to support natural medicine

I don't know who funds these studies it's crazy that they're even done because there's certainly isn't Pharma money behind them but they are done and if you know about them it might help you to make an informed decision but this is reflexive assumption that well pharmaceutical medicine is the only legit choice if it gets bad enough is conditioning that's all I'm saying it's a conditioned assumption and if you have an experience that defies that then you'll make different decisions for yourself in the future but you have to have like that woman will probably make

different decisions for herself in the future because now she trusts her body like just a little bit more you know she's that much less afraid of all of the horror stories the fear-mongering is the greatest marketing device you know employed by the industry is scaring you into what if you don't do it but aren't there a bunch of people that like when they do catch Mersa or something like that and then get devastated like the right move is to get on an IV

IV antibiotic like isn't that sometimes the case you just told me a story where that's not true what I told you a story okay so that's some people what is one but it's one and she had a topical issue but if it's one in you're the one then that's important information for yourself it certainly is I mean antibiotic one but I mean don't don't they serve a purpose in some function sometimes I mean you don't want to throw the baby out with the bathwater right I mean if someone has some rampid

of infection and bacterial infection I thought if we only used antibiotics for true life or death emergencies we would have a very different situation on our hands and what we have now which is a combination of you know devastating our ecosystem you know making people Gravely ill because they have very serious and totally unpredictable side effects including long-term neurologic side effects you know the what's even going on with our livestock like we are in a mess

us with our worship of this idea of and you know what antibiotic means it means against life like literally there's something wrong headed about that mentality and so it comes back to philosophy like if you want to believe in war you know you want to war against your body you want to war against and blame all the bad people who do all this bad things and you want to lock them up in prisons and you want to hate the you know you know Arabs and terrorists and it's not here to talk again lady but if that's your general Vibe then it's going to

sense to take medications like that for you but I you know have plenty of colleagues and myself we have a different philosophy so that's why it comes down to it's a religion you know it really comes down to your belief system so your philosophy is improve the health of the gut biome take in natural antibiotics things like garlic things like oregano oil thing with their nature yeah right right get back to the Continuum like you know there's this notion that there's like a

path we're meant to walk you know where we sort of follow our what our ancestors sort of set us up for and we've strayed from a big-time and and we're in some ways being reminded you know that we can't go too much farther without like struggling pretty seriously I think one of the big points that you just made which is really huge is that if we only use antibiotics when necessary in life or death situations we wouldn't have the issues that we have right now with livestock

with with cheapest house and the people take Z packs like it's going out of style I mean they take them like to take Tylenol for a headache I know so many people that take antibiotics they just throw them down I'll feel so much better I took a z-pack like you might feel better because you were going to feel better anyway and the Z-Pak you just threw on top of the mix and decided that that was what was taking you over the top that's right meanwhile it's like in the water supply now yes he packs but it's like - comic we have seen can't really send are not psychoactive right isn't it

it there was just this there was just something I put on social media it was like studying fish that are exposed to antidepressants through the water and they became like more aggressive whatever it was something like you know fish aren't made happier by but but the point is that antidepressants are just in the water supply now yeah products apparently in dosage is relevant to clinical expression of fish Behavior I don't know but Jesus Christ yeah I mean no free lunch

there's no free lunch with Farm I think it's but if you're in a fishing that's good because you want fish to be aggressive I mean maybe they don't want to because the song give a fuck what they want a mini diving feeling to just chill I've never seen one that trying to tell this you're just eating things mostly other fish are bunch of goddamn cannibals all of them that's yeah silly silly thoughts thanks for indulging those by the way and thanks for coming on here really appreciate which is the three hours it was fun wow that's quite an attention

span so you do not need Adderall you're doing just know I'm scared about her all fight I'd had a 2 cups of coffee though but if I had Adderall I just don't want to try it one day but it's I'm terrified of it a Canadian study just came out that if if you take a simulant your 13 times more likely to be prescribed antipsychotic and four times more likely to be prepared Canadian the not even like regular people there's totally defects first very important super important confounding variable if they're from the way

it's there for us folks I talked where I know all right Kelly so one more time tell people what is the name of your book where you can get it I'm sure you're going to get a lot of positive and negative stay offline for a couple days just I thought you had my back I do have your back I'm just telling you is I don't want you I don't want you to get hit with the trolls no listen first of all it's important it's my disclaimer that I'm not here to tell anyone what to do right okay it's just about

informed consent and if you know all the information you wanted to continue making your choice do your thing but I do believe people are entitled to all of the information and I didn't know about it when I was prescribing so I carry that charge you know so my book is called a mind of your own

and the rest of my nonsense is on my website just Kelly broken I'm d.com all right beautiful thank you I really enjoyed this game yes photo pleasure all right my friends that's it we'll be back tomorrow with hilarious Andrew Santino so until then get off those pills you fuck or don't I don't take more

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and on it go to ONN itu's the code word Rogan and save 10% off any and all supplements I said that already I think I did I think I doubled up on the on it that's called phoning it in you fucks all right this podcast is over tomorrow should be fun because tomorrow's Andrew Santino and he's fucking hilarious one of the best up-and-coming Comics today folks he's very smart guy he's a very cool guy and he is absolutely fucking hilarious as

up comedian and he's in the new Showtime series which is Loosely based on The Comedy Store it's called I'm dying up here it's a fucking great show and he's a great guy so I'm looking forward to that all right so until then my friends be nice to each other and I'll see you soon bye